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Are US Airways' 333 Getting A Refit In Economy?

Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:58 pm

Please correct me if I am wrong, and hence me asking the question...

US Airways refreshed and re-configured their A330-300's, three or four years ago, where they re-covered the seats, laid new carpets, and unfortunately reduced the industry leading 34 inch seat pitch to 30-31 inches in economy.

This came in for a lot of criticism from passengers... While the current 30-31 inch leg room is pretty standard, the problem with the A330-300's in the US Airways fleet is they still have the old style seats, which are very bulky reducing the space available. They also have the old generation AVOD IFE systems, which contain boxes under most seats encroaching further on leg room.

I am unable to refer back to any threads, but I am positive I have read on here and other forums quite some time back the refresh to the A330-300 was only a temporary measure as the seats and carpets had not worn well that were factory fitted, and that the airline was to carry out a full refurbishment to bring them in-line with the A330-200's. Which would include installing new slimmer seats in economy, the new Envoy suites and upgrading the IFE (as the old system was unreliable)...

This was stated as being scheduled to take place during this winter over the next few months... Does anyone know if this is still scheduled to take place?

On the US Airways website they state the new Envoy seats will soon be rolled in the coming months, but nothing is mentioned at all about any upgrade to economy. Can anyone advise on whats happening?

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RE: Are US Airways' 333 Getting A Refit In Economy?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:00 am

Yes they are. Per our company news paper that we get every week ("About US"), or Crew News (cant remember which), I saw something that mentioned the Y cabins will be getting new seats which will make the aircraft between 2000 and 3000 lbs lighter. So the new seats should hopefully be better for the PAX since they should sense more room, and better for the airline since it will save weight and therefore money. In addition, I believe there will be an upgrade to the IFE system. The Envoy cabin will also be updated with the new lie flat seats that are on the A-330-200s (which is a wonderful product). This should be competed before the busy summer season. Hope this helps.
 
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:04 am

Yes! The A330-300 are being completely refurbished with the Envoy Suite up front and new seats and IFE in the back...I don't really know a lot about the Economy refurb but I assume it will make the -300s just like the -200. The new configuration is 28 Envoy and 263 Coach.Currently 1 aircraft is complete (a/c 278). The rest are supposed to be complete by June 2012
 
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RE: Are US Airways' 333 Getting A Refit In Economy?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:02 pm

Great news to hear!

That weight saving they will be making is considerable...

I assume it will be a new IFE system and doubt the old system will be compatiable with the new seats.
 
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:42 pm

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 2):
The new configuration is 28 Envoy and 263 Coach.

So this is "C28Y263", correct? What was it previously?

N275AY positioned down to Mobile for reconfiguration on 30 October 2011 as AWE9240, so this should be the second aircraft to receive the treatment.

Are the reconfigurations the reason for the LHR route being operated by the 767-200 a lot recently?
 
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:05 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 4):

Are the reconfigurations the reason for the LHR route being operated by the 767-200 a lot recently?

No...
 
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:46 pm

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RE: Are US Airways' 333 Getting A Refit In Economy?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:17 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 4):
So this is "C28Y263", correct? What was it previously?

30C, 224Y, although some of 'C' seats were the old First Class ones before US went two-class.
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:41 pm

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 7):
Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 4):
So this is "C28Y263", correct? What was it previously?

30C, 224Y, although some of 'C' seats were the old First Class ones before US went two-class.

Previously it was 30C263Y
 
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RE: Are US Airways' 333 Getting A Refit In Economy?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:02 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 4):
Are the reconfigurations the reason for the LHR route being operated by the 767-200 a lot recently?

I don't think the LHR-PHL service has ever been a A330-300, or if it has its not very often. Its more often than not an A330-200, but the 767-200 is also a regular...

Its quite ironic MAN and LGW could support an A330-300 on the route to PHL and LHR gets a smaller aircraft. I wonder if the awful timings are anything do to with it? LGW still gets the 333 on its daily CLT route...

I wonder if we could see a return of a 757 flying LGW-PHL, with better timings, like they did a few years ago to compliment the LHR service and offer connections through Philly?
 
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:30 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 9):
Its quite ironic MAN and LGW could support an A330-300 on the route to PHL and LHR gets a smaller aircraft. I wonder if the awful timings are anything do to with it? LGW still gets the 333 on its daily CLT route...

I'm under the impression that US put the new 332 on the LHR route to provide their more competitive Business Class product in that market- a market where CO guarantees flat-bed seats, and UA + others already have them...
 
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RE: Are US Airways' 333 Getting A Refit In Economy?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:46 pm

The 767 going to LHR only happens when another aircraft is out of service, most of the time it seems they take the 333 to 332 on MAN and take the 332 to 767 on LHR then they pull a 767 from a CLT/MCO/SJU flight and replace it with whatever other plane might be available A32x, 757, 734 When we had 2x PHL-FRA they would swap out the 333 from that flight instead. I guess it just depends on what has the lowest bookings
 
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RE: Are US Airways' 333 Getting A Refit In Economy?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:52 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 4):

It looks like the ETR for this aircraft is 12/30 :23:00
 
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RE: Are US Airways' 333 Getting A Refit In Economy?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:20 pm

A bit ironic and hypocritical, considering I am complaining about the A330-300's, but I enjoy the occassional ride on their 767-200's...

Nice and nostalgic, the seats are comfy and the IFE is manageable for a 7hr flight.

I personally think the Envoy product on the 762's is better than that on the A330-300's. But the seats are a little narrow, for a premium product.
 
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RE: Are US Airways' 333 Getting A Refit In Economy?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:29 pm

The older A333 IFE system BTW is the Sony Trans Com [email protected] system, while the newer system is the Panasonic eX2. BTW, [email protected] was one of (if not the) first AVOD systems on the market. Sony Trans Com was eventually sold to Rockwell Collins, who since has exited the widebody IFE market several years ago.
 
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RE: Are US Airways' 333 Getting A Refit In Economy?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:43 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 9):
I don't think the LHR-PHL service has ever been a A330-300, or if it has its not very often. Its more often than not an A330-200, but the 767-200 is also a regular...

I don't recall it ever being scheduled as such, but of the 11 roundtrips I've done on US PHL-LHR this year, two were swapped to a 333 due to maintenance. Once on PHL-CDG too last winter, another 332 route.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 9):
Its quite ironic MAN and LGW could support an A330-300 on the route to PHL and LHR gets a smaller aircraft. I wonder if the awful timings are anything do to with it? LGW still gets the 333 on its daily CLT route...

Well, remember the US flight is only one of three daily PHL-LHR flights, the other two being on BA. BA may drop to one some winter days, I can't recall, but most days they have two, a 777-200 and a 767-300.

PHL-MAN gets a lot of pharma O&D traffic on this route. One time last winter on MAN-PHL, two colleagues and I were the only ones in the otherwise sold out Envoy cabin who didn't work for GSK. How'd I know that? One of the other Envoy passengers was passing out a conference agenda to her colleagues, and we were the only three in the whole cabin who had to decline copies  
Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 9):
I wonder if we could see a return of a 757 flying LGW-PHL, with better timings, like they did a few years ago to compliment the LHR service and offer connections through Philly?

While I prefer LGW to LHR, I don't see that as likely. They ran one summer, I think 2008, with LHR on the 762 (prior to the 332 deliveries) and PHL-LGW on the 752, and I took the latter a bunch as one of my clients is on the south side of London, but loads even in the summer weren't good and they dropped it shortly thereafter. LHR remains the busier airport by far, and with US in Star there are many more connecting opportunities there, and the cannibalization of the PHL-LGW loads in the 18 or so flights I took on the route that summer seemed to bear that out. I would imagine that they'd move CLT-LGW to LHR if they can get a decent slot at a reasonable price. And I think they've found better uses for that 752 in the summer at least (PHL-ANC, CLT-DUB, etc.).
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:22 am

Will the 752/762 also get refitted??
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:33 am

I don't think the 757/767 are goIng get the Envoy Suite. Im not sure US has figured out what to do as far as fleet replacement for these aircraft
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:37 am

Quoting LH506 (Reply 16):
Will the 752/762 also get refitted??

Not that I'm aware of. The 762 was upgraded in business 3-4 years ago and the economy cabin got new seat covers. The 762 fleet is scheduled to be retired in the coming years, probably by more A332 deliveries before the A350s come online.

The US East 752 fleet has "old A333 Envoy" seats up front, though I haven't heard of the long term plans for these. Most of these planes are 1990s deliveries - US retired its oldest 757s from the 80s - with a few newer ex-ATA planes in the mix. Though the A321NEO might be a good replacement domestically, I'm not sure they're even an option for the transatlantic routes.

US also has a PHX-based 757 subfleet primarily for Hawaii service. Those cabins have apparently been refreshed recently.
 
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RE: Are US Airways' 333 Getting A Refit In Economy?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:38 am

LHR-PHL started out as an A330-300 route. We saw the B762 for a time before the A332s were delivered.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:39 am

Quoting LH506 (Reply 16):
Will the 752/762 also get refitted??

Would Envoy Suite even fit on a 757? Air Canada has a similar product to US's Envoy Suites on their 767-300s. I had the pleasure of flying on TLV-YYZ, and it was quite nice, so I really hope US does something similar on its 767s.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:17 am

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 18):

Word on the street is that US may add a new Envoy product to the 757s, along with new seats in Y and AVOD throughout the whole plane to remain competitive. I can see this, as all other US carriers plan to do the same with their TATL 757s. The 767s will get no upgrade as they will be leaving the fleet soon.
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:23 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 21):
I can see this, as all other US carriers plan to do the same with their TATL 757s

All others except AA; AA simply installed a new overhead IFE system in Y with over-aisle LCD monitors.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:26 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 19):
LHR-PHL started out as an A330-300 route. We saw the B762 for a time before the A332s were delivered.

Thanks for the reminder on that. I believe they initially just moved the A333 from PHL-LGW to LHR, but then used the B762 because they'd just gotten the Envoy refresh. Obviously the Envoy Suite product on the A332 is an upgrade to that and now it's going to LHR daily (less equipment swaps).
 
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RE: Are US Airways' 333 Getting A Refit In Economy?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:31 am

This is a delayed refresh so their A330 fleet will have one consistent interior & product.

Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
US Airways refreshed and re-configured their A330-300's, three or four years ago, where they re-covered the seats, laid new carpets, and unfortunately reduced the industry leading 34 inch seat pitch to 30-31 inches in economy.

It wasn''t a refresh at that time - just a downgrade in product, in order to get 10% more seats aboard. As you mention, it was barely acceptable. This cabin refurbish needs to happen. It will be quite an upgrade.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:04 pm

a/c 278 is set to make its first Trans Atlantic flight in new config today to MAN.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:21 pm

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 18):
US also has a PHX-based 757 subfleet primarily for Hawaii service. Those cabins have apparently been refreshed recently.

These are the ex-HP planes, right? I heard sometimes they struggle making it to Hawaii in the winter months with headwinds. I'll be flying PHL-PHX-LIH and KOA-PHX-PHL for my honeymoon next year. PHX-LIH is a block time of 7:04!
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:38 pm

Brilliant news for the US A333's!!!

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 4):
N275AY positioned down

Great to hear, soon as 275 was the last aircraft I flew on.

Anyone know what the next aircraft is going to have a refit after 275?
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:27 pm

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Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:07 am

Quoting jetsetter629 (Reply 26):
These are the ex-HP planes, right? I heard sometimes they struggle making it to Hawaii in the winter months with headwinds. I'll be flying PHL-PHX-LIH and KOA-PHX-PHL for my honeymoon next year. PHX-LIH is a block time of 7:04!

The non-winglet aircraft (ex-RC/NW) do see more weight restrictions in the winter because they have the lowest MTOW in the entire fleet, which is actually the reason why they never received winglets. The other four aircraft fare much better in that regard.

I'm glad to see the 333s finally getting the Y upgrades...the legroom with those old seats is awful!
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Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:16 am

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 27):
Anyone know what the next aircraft is going to have a refit after 275?

Ship 272 was ferried down on the 11th, so I assume that one is next in line. Maybe boberito can confirm, I can only see movements from home.
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RE: Are US Airways' 333 Getting A Refit In Economy?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:41 pm

Any pics of the newly refurbed A330-300 cabins, posted anywhere?
 
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Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:17 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 30):
Ship 272 was ferried down on the 11th, so I assume that one is next in line. Maybe boberito can confirm, I can only see movements from home.

I think 272 must have gone for some kind of regular maintenance as it is back to flying (US700 PHL-FRA right now)
 
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Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:21 pm

a/c 277 went in for refit on Friday 25NOV due out on 26JAN

Quoting wn676 (Reply 30):
Any pics of the newly refurbed A330-300 cabins, posted anywhere?

I havent seen any pics other than shots of the Envoy cabin which looks just like the 332s
 
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Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:10 am

Here you go .Just worked it on the 23 from FCO-PHL . N278AY. The did a great job on her make over.
 
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Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:22 am

Quoting etops1 (Reply 34):

Looks good! Can't wait until they're all finished.
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Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:18 am

Quoting etops1 (Reply 34):
Here you go .Just worked it on the 23 from FCO-PHL . N278AY. The did a great job on her make over

Looks good. You can definitely tell the difference in seat pitch between the old layout, and the new layout. I wonder, did any pax notice the new interior?

I think the old style overhead bins combined with the new seats/bulkheads/flatscreen bulkhead monitor will take some getting used to. They just don't seem to match up well.

Still no adjustable headrests...
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Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:50 am

Shalom from Tel Aviv.. I don't know why the company did not go with adjustable head rest neither but that's just US for you . For some reason I find the A330-300 to be a little more spacious than the 200. And the old style overhead bins are definately bigger and deeper than the new one's . Wonder why Airbus did that and why didn't they go with a more Boeing like style overhead bin ?
 
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Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:51 pm

Quoting etops1 (Reply 37):
I don't know why the company did not go with adjustable head rest neither but that's just US for you

I believe these seats are the Weber 5751, which are the same seats DL has on their 75Ls. The seats were originally installed without adjustable headrests, and they were installed after all 75Ls were equipped with the new seats. So if we're lucky, US will install them after all A330s get the new seats, in order to have a more streamlined Y product. Doubt it though.

Quoting etops1 (Reply 37):
For some reason I find the A330-300 to be a little more spacious than the 200. And the old style overhead bins are definately bigger and deeper than the new one's .

Really? Wow, I have never heard that before. I see it though, the A333s compartments seem to go deeper. The A332s cabin just looks more modern though.
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RE: Are US Airways' 333 Getting A Refit In Economy?

Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:08 am

Quoting etops1 (Reply 34):
Here you go .Just worked it on the 23 from FCO-PHL . N278AY. The did a great job on her make over.

Thanks for the pics...

While nothing ground breaking in the new economy product, its still looks great and nice to see the airline improving their product.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 38):

Really? Wow, I have never heard that before. I see it though, the A333s compartments seem to go deeper. The A332s cabin just looks more modern though.

Well the A330-200s in the fleet are atleast 9-10 years younger than the A330-300's!

But I have to be honest and struggle to tell the difference in the overhead lockers, and think they have aged very well and still looks a very modern cabin.

When you compare it to Boeing and the 767's with and without the "Signature" cabins the difference is like night and day!


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Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:37 am

Flying LGW-CLT in January. Would be amazing to get to test drive the new product!
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RE: Are US Airways' 333 Getting A Refit In Economy?

Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:52 am

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 38):
I believe these seats are the Weber 5751

Are you sure? The seats in the posted photo look nothing like DL's Weber 5751s. The tray tables are completely different, and the overall shape of the seats appear to be more square.

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Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:23 am

They are not the Weber seats .

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