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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:10 am

Etihad still interested in Aer Lingus?

Etihad chief executive James Hogan has reiterated his airline’s interest in buying the Government’s 25 per cent stake in Aer Lingus.

http://www.businesspost.ie/#!article...410615-5218-4ed3-4b20-4126a5632740
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:35 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 100):
Etihad chief executive James Hogan has reiterated his airline’s interest in buying the Government’s 25 per cent stake in Aer Lingus.

I thought they had killed of that plan a few weeks ago?
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:20 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 98):

Yes I doubt they would use their lounge . As for same handling
agent lots of airlines in out stations use the same so I dont think
that would be an issue .
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:35 pm

Recently, Air Berlin flew Irish troops to and from Lebanon on troop rotations, contracts which were issued by the Government. Anyone have any idea how they are doing financially?
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:21 pm

Quoting MrAero36 (Reply 103):
Anyone have any idea how they are doing financially?

I presume you mean AB? I think "not very well" (same applies to the government!)

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 101):
I thought they had killed of that plan a few weeks ago?

So did I; maybe the story about EY breaking off talks was a ruse to throw the financial media off the scent? Still, it will be interesting to see how the pensions issue is dealt with - not to mention FR.
 
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Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:39 pm

 
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:26 pm

Well AB have grown very fast (less then 50 aircraft in 2004, over 160 now) they absorbed several other companies and charter airlines. So perhaps their growth was a bit precarious. Having never flown them they sound like a decent carrier, and Germany is large enough to have Lufthansa and Air Berlin. (As an aside I know part of the EI Greenfield plan was to reduce its cost base to below the level of Air Berlin)

In other news, AA has filed for bankruptcy. (Well their parent company AMR has) So this mean Chapter 11 for a year or two. I assume we will see a contraction on routes, maybe no AA into DUB next summer?

[Edited 2011-11-29 05:26:30]
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:39 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 106):
In other news, AA has filed for bankruptcy. (Well their parent company AMR has) So this mean Chapter 11 for a year or two. I assume we will see a contraction on routes, maybe no AA into DUB next summer?

There is much speculation at the moment, we will see. US has been muted as a partner and IAG have already declared involvement. Perhaps this could be a way for US to get out of STAR, where they will always play second fiddle to UA and become part of the "new" AA together with IAG. That said, the road for AA will be tough. Their hubs are not ideally geographic for US domestic traffic and a US merger would not particularly help that.
 
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:53 pm

Another study underway on viability of making SNN a global humanitarian aid hub...

Quote:
According to the department, “the purpose of the study is to provide an independent, evidence-based assessment of the viability and value for money of a potential global humanitarian hub at Shannon and to identify practical ways in which this might be realised”.

The study will chart the logistical and warehousing arrangements the international humanitarian system has in place, including those operated by the World Food Programme through its UN network as well as by Unicef at its main supply hub in Copenhagen.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...eland/2011/1123/1224307999829.html

So SNN may be in the position of waving the bombers off to Iran one day, then sending the aid shipments after them the next.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:00 pm

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 108):
So SNN may be in the position of waving the bombers off to Iran one day, then sending the aid shipments after them the next.

In pure financial terms wouldn't that be seen as a mutually complementary business plan
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:02 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 109):
In pure financial terms wouldn't that be seen as a mutually complementary business plan

I guess they may call it synergy, but you know which one they'll be shouting about in the press releases.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:11 pm

"Synergy", dammit!

That was the word I was looking for.........
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:04 pm

Quoting propchaser (Reply 93):
In relation to Aeroflot operations in Shannon,around 1994,SU used to position an Il-62 into shannon on saturday afternoons to operate charters to Jamaica,Barbados and Miami for Budget Travel and also Luxembourg was a scheduled stop on the Moscow -LUX-SNN-LIMA service

Took the SNN-MIA-SNN flight with them around 1992 or 93 I think. IL-62, interesting flight - one of my first long-haul flights, so wasn't use to much - no video screens (not even a big one at the front), justa few books and half way across the air hostess came around the cabin with the Russian equivalent of a Collins World Atlas, stuck her finger in the middle of the Atlantic and told us we were about there!.

Interesting times, and good to have been able to jump on such a plane.

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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:42 pm

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 112):
IL-62, interesting flight - one of my first long-haul flights

I always wanted to get a go on an IL-62. One of the most beautiful aircraft ever built (and one of the loudest). Unlikely to happen now. Are there any left in scheduled passenger service? I know there are a handful still in military and government use but don't know of any airlines still using them on scheduled passenger service?
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:59 pm

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 113):
I always wanted to get a go on an IL-62. One of the most beautiful aircraft ever built

Not sure I'd want to get on one but one of my favorites also, the VC-10 had a very similar design:

 
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Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:53 am

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 114):
Not sure I'd want to get on one but one of my favorites also, the VC-10 had a very similar design:

They admittedly didn't have the best of safety records. I'm not sure how much of the blame can be directed at the design of the aircraft and at those who operated it. I suspect that the blame for relatively poor safety record of the IL-62 can be directed more at the airlines who operated it, many of whom had (and many still do) have poor safety records for current and past aircraft types operated by them.
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:13 pm

I just noticed that the RTE home page is very much going for an EK theme at the moment

http://www.rte.ie/
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:36 pm

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 116):

Same with www.ireland.com the PR machiene is in full swing I guess
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:21 pm

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 116):

There are billboards galore around the west Limerick/north Kerry area too.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:05 pm

Quoting 330guy (Reply 117):

Aer Lingus take note - THAT is how you launch a new route!
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:21 pm

On a slightly different note I read an article today saying that the third largest LCC in Europe is....Norwegian Air Shuttle,carried 13m pax last year to 100 destinations,and i see they have 6 787's ordered.My question is how are they doing in DUB??.They are an airline that are very much under my "radar" so to speak,I must look at their fares etc.!!!
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:29 pm

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 112):
Took the SNN-MIA-SNN flight with them around 1992 or 93 I think. IL-62, interesting flight - one of my first long-haul flights, so wasn't use to much - no video screens (not even a big one at the front), justa few books and half way across the air hostess came around the cabin with the Russian equivalent of a Collins World Atlas, stuck her finger in the middle of the Atlantic and told us we were about there!.

That must have been a fab trip. Always wanted to get on one of those but never got the chance. Sometimes you just need to do things before its too late !

What was the airline that went bust operating for SU based in SNN? I remember SU sent their own metal into DUB in the days after to ferry stranded passengers. Was one of the last SU metal I ever saw in DUB .
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:56 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 119):
THAT is how you launch a new route!

That is how you launch a network of routes from DXB.
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:30 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 121):
What was the airline that went bust operating for SU based in SNN?

Was it Skynet Airlines? They used to do SNN-AMS-SVO for Aeroflot and were SNN-based before Aer Rianta impounded their aircraft due to them not paying landing fees. They subsequently went bust.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:00 am

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 123):

Yes that was it  

Interesting article Re: EY and their bookings. Factual?


ABU Dhabi-based airline Etihad has recorded its strongest-ever forward bookings for its service from Ireland -- even as rival Emirates gears up to compete with it in January.
Etihad's head of HR, Ray Gammell, said the airline competes with Dubai-based Emirates "all over the world" and said he believed Etihad's presence here over the past four years has embedded the brand in Ireland, particularly via its GAA sponsorship.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...or-etihads-irish-base-2950928.html
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:11 pm

So where is all this demand coming from? From anecdotal experience with local businesses, most say they have cut back on travel to Asian trade shows and that can only have slowed further with the Euro uncertainty.

Price war between the new carriers must be driving some of the take-up. But were all these people already traveling through LHR previously, or has there been major underestimation of the demand for Australian travel?
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:51 pm

As seen on Twitter today

"Ryanair CEO says public sector should join real world. However Ryanair's 'real world' is probably a 2hr bus ride from the actual real world"
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:16 pm

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 125):

The new batch of emigrants to Australia is surely helping!

Remember, their families and friends will pay visits, they themselves will make visits home. Such easy one stop options with such great fares will only promote that. I'm sure EK's arrival and their advertising blitz will stimulate demand, and ensure more people avail of the one stop option.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 126):

Any man running an airline that earns a billion per year in profits, who force unpaid leave on their cabin crew (who earn about 1200 a month if they are lucky) during Christmas month is quite honestly scum in my opinion.

While the public sector needs to change, his version would be just a little too much change, thanks!
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:48 pm

What needs to borne in mind, MoL is an accountant, no more. Albeit a pretty good one. However, FR has one major flaw, staff loyalty! Speaking from experience, flight crew are leaving at a large rate per week, last I heard it was twelve. As previously mentioned, staff are treated like scum, and are therefore leaving in droves.

While some might say let MoL run the public service and it will be sorted out, sorry to say they are utterly delusional. Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it!
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:59 pm

Quoting MrAero36 (Reply 128):
However, FR has one major flaw, staff loyalty!

Whilst most of us see this as a huge flaw, In the FR school of management, frontline staff are easy to come by, and if the leave quickly, they are easily replaced by people willing to pay for training, and work as temps. Staff turnover means no pension fund requirements, and no redundancy payments.

Quoting MrAero36 (Reply 128):
last I heard it was twelve

In an airline the size of FR, 12 is a tiny figure, especially when there are pay by the hour pilots waiting to join.
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:52 pm

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 116):
I just noticed that the RTE home page is very much going for an EK theme at the moment

I really would love to know how much EK has bugeted for this advertising campaign?
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:59 pm

Quoting Nibog (Reply 120):
On a slightly different note I read an article today saying that the third largest LCC in Europe is....Norwegian Air Shuttle,carried 13m pax last year to 100 destinations,and i see they have 6 787's ordered.My question is how are they doing in DUB??.They are an airline that are very much under my "radar" so to speak,I must look at their fares etc.!!!

Funny enough im looking at flying with them to CPH in two weeks. Cheap enough fare. Ill report on the load but it seems to be light as the fare aint going up at all...
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:48 pm

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 129):

In an airline the size of FR, 12 is a tiny figure, especially when there are pay by the hour pilots waiting to join.

That is twelve per week, senior FOs and Captains. These are the guys and girls that can't easily be replaced, that are heading to Other airlines with better T&Cs. So he can have 400 cadets coming in every year (pay by the hour contractors) but if there aren't enough people to occupy the left seat, planes get parked and flights get cancelled. It takes many years to get to the left seat and what seems to be happening now is a lot of FOs are gaining the experience in FR and moving elsewhere before they get command, that is a problem for an airline that still has more deliveries to come.

So back to the original post, if MoL ran the country, it would become a nature reserve as everyone would leave.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:59 pm

The unveiling of the new Loop dutyfree shop at Shannon will be on Monday, 12th December. Just seven days after my trip to London so I won't be able to see it :/
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:49 pm

SK have started to downgrade some flights over Xmas back to
MD-80's . I wonder why the turn around DUB-CPH!
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:44 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 134):
SK have started to downgrade some flights over Xmas back to
MD-80's . I wonder why the turn around DUB-CPH!

Now Philip you shouldn't compalin if you get to fly a nice classic mad dog  
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:45 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 134):
downgrade some flights over Xmas back to
MD-80's

More like an upgrade to a classic Douglas aircraft, chances to fly in any type of DC- are getting harder by the day.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:32 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 134):
SK have started to downgrade some flights over Xmas back to
MD-80's . I wonder why the turn around DUB-CPH!

Likely just SK putting the higher capacity aircraft on routes with strong VFR Xmas traffic into and out of CPH.

Most airlines play around with capacity during xmas.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:02 am

London Oxford Airport will host its first commercial airline charter to Dublin next week, with onward packages being offered to New York with Aer Lingus, marking the first ever long-haul destination from Oxford.

http://www.traveldailynews.com/pages...irst-commercial-flight-to-New-York


Amazing that there are no flights from OXF to Dublin.


Yvonne Muldoon - Sales manager, United Airlines Interviewed in the irish times

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...ravel/2011/1203/1224308505474.html


Delta has confirmed its schedule for SNN next summer.

DL 123 SNN 11:05 JFK 13:15 752 0 1234567 07:10

Perfectly timed for connections to SFO and LAX!
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:41 am

Aer Lingus have updated their in-flight menu on short-haul, Sky Cafe is gone and replaced by a menu called Sky Deli.

http://www.bfk.ie/our-work/2011/12/1...aer-lingus-new-in-flight-menu.html

The Irish breakfast is still there along with a few other favourites but it looks like the menu has a lot more choice with options like granola, greek salad and antipasto included. This is probably the biggest update to their short-haul service since EI went down the low cost route with Sky Cafe. Long-haul next maybe?

A video has also been uploaded to YouTube probably designed to be shown to staff promoting teamwork but there's lots of behind the scenes stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7FoVu73SbM

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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:49 am

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 139):
A video has also been uploaded to YouTube probably designed to be shown to staff promoting teamwork but there's lots of behind the scenes stuff.

Thats a really great video. It would be fantastic if some of that footage could be used for outside advertising campaigns, rather than the lacklustre rubbish they have used in recent campaigns.
 
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:59 am

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 139):
This is probably the biggest update to their short-haul service since EI went down the low cost route with Sky Cafe. Long-haul next maybe?

I think the choice and food quality on EI is good, and I prefer the Buy on Board to either a packet of crackers or nothing.

One way to differentiate the flexi fares would be to provide a €10 food voucher at checkin.

I just wish EI would clean their short haul onboard ovens more. The smell of the ovens in the first few rows can be quite off putting. Ive noticed this a few times of late.
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:36 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 140):
Thats a really great video. It would be fantastic if some of that footage could be used for outside advertising campaigns, rather than the lacklustre rubbish they have used in recent campaigns.

Completely agree. The new advertising campaign with Irish International was identical in style to what we've been seeing for nearly 10 years.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 141):
One way to differentiate the flexi fares would be to provide a €10 food voucher at checkin.

During the half year results management talked about the new "Best Fare" which is placed between the low fare and flex fare options, it was meant to be rolled out in late 2011 and a complimentary snack and hot drink was mentioned which would most likely be part of the flex fare option. I hope the Best Fare goes ahead as when they trialled it a year or two ago it seemed a really good deal with one free bag and seat selection included but didn't cost anywhere near as much as the flex fare.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:44 pm

Quoting eicvd (Reply 135):
Quoting PenPusher (Reply 136):

Ok , ok point taken lol... I won't complain about two MD,s  
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:53 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 142):
management talked about the new "Best Fare" which is placed between the low fare and flex fare options,

Would not the use of the term best fare, for what is not the lowest fare, raise the ire of all those concerned with consumer rights? This sound a bit like some of the old British Midland schemes to me. It does seem odd however that EI have never offered "pre-ordered" breakfasts on the website, - one would imagine this might help with supply, as well as getting revenue in advance. Not that an EI breakfast would be of any interest to me.
 
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:12 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 144):
odd however that EI have never offered "pre-ordered" breakfasts on the website, - one would imagine this might help with supply,

Huge logistical issues in preparing this Many airlines have tried the Pre-order BOB, and most have failed.
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:13 pm

BMI timings to Ireland next summer are still strange and stink of slot sitting rather than a decent effort at a sustainable business schedule. Schedules with flights on different times each day of the week makes flexibility on connecting flights a disaster too. For example, and ignoring weekends, the last flight of the day departs DUB at 21:35 on a friday, but 19:30 on a monday. On wednesdays, there is no flight between 14.30 and 19:30.

I struggle to see how corporate agents can recommend execs use BD as a feeder service to Asia when AF/KL/LH/EI offer superior connection reliability.

May Monday timetable.

EX LHR

07:00
13:00
17:00
17:30
19:45

EX DUB

06:50
10:45
15:20
19:05
19:30
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:17 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 139):
The Irish breakfast is still there along with a few other favourites but it looks like the menu has a lot more choice with options like granola, greek salad and antipasto included. This is probably the biggest update to their short-haul service since EI went down the low cost route with Sky Cafe.

I like the sound of this!

I have absolutely no problem buying food on board, and these options sound sooo much nicer than the usual crap that airlines throw at you to buy. Quite looking forward to giving them a try!!

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 144):
Not that an EI breakfast would be of any interest to me.

Why not? The breakfast is amazing, though quite overpriced at €9. There's a recession on (well, barely) and I'd like to see it priced back at the 2006 price of €7 personally.
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:05 pm

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 146):
BMI timings to Ireland next summer are still strange and stink of slot sitting rather than a decent effort at a sustainable business schedule. Schedules with flights on different times each day of the week makes flexibility on connecting flights a disaster too. For example, and ignoring weekends, the last flight of the day departs DUB at 21:35 on a friday, but 19:30 on a monday. On wednesdays, there is no flight between 14.30 and 19:30.

I struggle to see how corporate agents can recommend execs use BD as a feeder service to Asia when AF/KL/LH/EI offer superior connection reliability

Hardly a surprise from an airline about to be gobbled up. Assuming its BA doing the gobbling, I can't see BD in DUB next Summer. Star Alliance then have a decision to make, ie further courting of EI to connect to their Star networks at LHR. SA)">UA already have the EI codeshare and I can only see this growing but the likes of NZ, TG, SA etc all have to look at what to do. I know SQ use EI connections, but on my last BD flight in November, there were 11 codeshares to DUB
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:10 am

The real winners will be LH and AF/KL.

perhaps the best solution for EI is to be everyone's friend in Ireland. OS to VIE, IB to Madrid, BA to London, SN to BRU, TP to Lisbon, etc.

EI have the cost base, the product integrity and the gravitas to do this. Pity they don't have a premium short haul cabin, but even that works for KLM, who havent moved to their own excellent Irish subsidiary for feed to AMS.
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