Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
emrecan
Posts: 845
Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2000 7:20 am

RE: Turkish Aviation December 2011

Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:45 am

 
umit
Posts: 55
Joined: Fri May 29, 2009 10:45 am

RE: Turkish Aviation December 2011

Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:56 am

Hi everyone..Our pilot friends, specially Pilot Aydin and Wing have not been writing for some time, they are missed .. I indeed wonder their thoughts about General aviation in Turkey and recent issues about TK as a matter of fact I really do like to see them more often .. Happy new year and chritmast to everyone and special thanks to TK787 for wonderful monthly start ups ...
 
User avatar
TK787
Topic Author
Posts: 4538
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:43 am

RE: Turkish Aviation December 2011

Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:48 pm

Quoting tcm (Reply 149):
Quoting emrecan (Reply 150):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/THY6731 arriving JFK 1:59am
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/THY6732 leaving JFK 7:13am

Wow, that is pretty interesting, thanks for the links, I stand corrected.
Maybe LAXIntl can have the insight on this one.
-What has changed in a couple of years in terms of US-Turkey Cargo that TK has gone from a daily 343 (Cargo cap: 44 tons) to 2 x daily 77W ( total cargo cap: 114tons) and now an additional possible future weekly (?) 332F (cargo cap: 64tons)
-Which direction has more demand, IST or JFK?
-And why JFK for Cargo ops, most Cargo NY/NJ bound?

Still, it will be awesome to see two ( who knows three) TK birds at JFK one day.
 
User avatar
LAXintl
Posts: 24692
Joined: Wed May 24, 2000 12:12 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation December 2011

Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:24 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 152):
343 (Cargo cap: 44 tons) to 2 x daily 77W ( total cargo cap: 114tons)

Be careful with those numbers. They are for total payload which includes passengers and baggage. Actual space and weight available for cargo use is significantly less.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 152):
-Which direction has more demand, IST or JFK?

Turkey - US trade volume favors the US side by about 2.5 to 1 margin. However the enroute stop in Holland along with transit cargo beyond IST helps balance loads.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 152):
-And why JFK for Cargo ops, most Cargo NY/NJ bound?

The freight community in NYC is located around JFK.

EWR cargo is much weaker - even CO accepts the bulk of its EWR flight cargo at JFK and trucks them to EWR. CO has run a large facility at JFK for decades now. Even SAS which has its NYC flights at EWR, long maintained a cargo warehouse at JFK until recent cuts.

[Edited 2011-12-28 10:43:43]
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
 
TK773ER
Posts: 188
Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:08 am

RE: Turkish Aviation December 2011

Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:18 am

Nice to see TK sending some 77W to Ho Chi Minh City http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7278853&nseq=0 How are the loads to this city does anyone know ?
 
leftyboarder
Posts: 906
Joined: Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:38 pm

RE: Turkish Aviation December 2011

Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:09 am

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 154):
Nice to see TK sending some 77W to Ho Chi Minh City http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7278853&nseq=0 How are the loads to this city does anyone know ?

They stop en route in BKK; TK might be using 77W to meet the demand there. Obviously they would have to fly the BKK-SGN segment with the same plane. So it might not be indicative of loads.
 
tcm
Posts: 304
Joined: Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:20 am

RE: Turkish Aviation December 2011

Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:20 am

An interesting article on how to expand IST. A 4th runway and extra terminals, depended on getting to use the military part of the airport and the demolition of some neighboring buildings. Looks like the fastest and most cost effective way to increase the much needed capacity. Any thoughts?

Link to article: http://www.airporthaber.com/ataturk-...alimani-boyle-kurtulur-37174h.html (Turkish)

Link to proposed master plan: http://www.airporthaber.com/gallery/news/47226.jpg
 
JU068
Posts: 2094
Joined: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:23 am

RE: Turkish Aviation December 2011

Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:26 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 155):

They stop en route in BKK; TK might be using 77W to meet the demand there. Obviously they would have to fly the BKK-SGN segment with the same plane. So it might not be indicative of loads.

Not to mention that TK stated that BKK would be a likely candidate for an A380. So I guess your point is valid that most of the demand is for there.
 
sofianec
Posts: 171
Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:39 am

RE: Turkish Aviation December 2011

Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:09 pm

I was at IST last week and boy this place is so crowded its ridiculous. Not that I was delayed or anything but TK success which I totally applaud them for is catching up to IST facilities. Great service onboard in Comfort class BTW. The Silivri airport is probably a great idea however I seem to be unable to find any plans of that development online. Please provide link if you have one. Also I read somewhere that Silivri area is notoriously seismic - wouldn't that be an issue? With 8+% growth at IST annualy the place will explode literally (it's too small for such growth).

---
A350WARP
 
User avatar
TK787
Topic Author
Posts: 4538
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:43 am

RE: Turkish Aviation December 2011

Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:19 pm

Quoting tcm (Reply 156):
Looks like the fastest and most cost effective way to increase the much needed capacity. Any thoughts?

I want to like it. If this or something similar works it would be great.
My humble opinion ( i know nothing about airport designs)

-Why is this plan in English?
-I like the idea that it says STAGE1
-What is achieved by the 4th runway? Right now current 3 runways used simultaneously? If not, which 2 current runways are most efficient when used at the same time and how will the 4th runway incorporated?
-It looks like you can use 1-4, 2-4 or 1-2-4 at the same time.
-TK can have a dedicated terminal or the orange box could be the new domestic terminal
-Also they should include the general aviation area above runway 1.
-How does this solve "Lodos" conditions?
 
tk1244
Posts: 216
Joined: Thu May 03, 2007 12:50 am

RE: Turkish Aviation December 2011

Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:02 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 159):
-Why is this plan in English?

According to the article, a French company has made this master plan  
Quoting TK787 (Reply 159):
-What is achieved by the 4th runway? Right now current 3 runways used simultaneously? If not, which 2 current runways are most efficient when used at the same time and how will the 4th runway incorporated?
-It looks like you can use 1-4, 2-4 or 1-2-4 at the same time.

The main problem with the current parallel runway (1 and 2) is that they can't be used simultaneously, because they are too close to each other. In the current situation, plane 1 waiting for takeoff on runway 36L need to wait until plane 2 has touched down on runway 36R and applied thrust reverser. This to insure that no conflicts can happen if plane 2 is forced to go around and meets up plane 1 too close. By using runway 1 or 2 simultaneously with runway 4, the number of takeoff/landing traffic can be increased  
Quoting TK787 (Reply 159):
-TK can have a dedicated terminal or the orange box could be the new domestic terminal

I think that TK may consider this, maybe even a dedicated Star Alliance terminal. If the orange box will be used for domestic flights, the current domestic terminal can be modified into something like this to increase parking capacity:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 159):
-Also they should include the general aviation area above runway 1.

I wonder why they haven't include that part of the airport...

Quoting TK787 (Reply 159):
-How does this solve "Lodos" conditions?

That's something I also want to know...   Something I wonder is why such a short runway? I think that it will only produce chaos for the airport.

[Edited 2011-12-30 14:12:02]
"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
 
User avatar
TK787
Topic Author
Posts: 4538
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:43 am

RE: Turkish Aviation December 2011

Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:36 pm

Please continue here:
Turkish Aviation January 2012 (by TK787 Dec 31 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos