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5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:11 pm

I flew out of MIA today and upon take-off I noticed about 5 Hawaiian Air 717s being serviced in a hanger. Any idea why they are being serviced in MIA? Also, does anyone what route they flew to get there from Hawaii?
 
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:25 pm

Quoting ks5114 (Thread starter):
Any idea why they are being serviced in MIA?

HA, much like with FL, sends their 717s to MIA for heavy maintenance at Sargent Avborne.

Quoting ks5114 (Thread starter):
Also, does anyone what route they flew to get there from Hawaii?

They definitely have to install ferry tanks to get from Hawaii to the mainland. More than likely they landed somewhere on the West Coast, refueled the a/c and flew it to MIA from there.
 
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:25 pm

Three of the five are new to HA as they are the ex-YX & QA aircraft being leased from BCC. Those are N491, 492, 493HA ex-N912, 922, 919ME, respectively. They are being reconfigured in MIA. AAR Miami has developed a specialty for the 717 having maintained FL's aircraft and now they are used by HA and leasing companies like BCC.
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:45 pm

Is HA increasing its inter-island flying?
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:28 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 1):

Usually Oakland

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):

They are just a/c in for heavy maint. after the busy summer season. This is the slow time of year before the holiday season, so they get them in for there work now.
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:31 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 4):
They are just a/c in for heavy maint. after the busy summer season. This is the slow time of year before the holiday season, so they get them in for there work now.

Apparently, 3 of the 5 are new to HA - which suggests increased flying. Are they returning 3?
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:40 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Quoting as739x (Reply 4):They are just a/c in for heavy maint. after the busy summer season. This is the slow time of year before the holiday season, so they get them in for there work now.

Apparently, 3 of the 5 are new to HA - which suggests increased flying. Are they returning 3?

No, none are being returned. The 3 new aircraft are indeed for increased flying.
 
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:46 pm

Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 6):

Those 3 ex-AirTran birds?
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:48 pm

Wow there are five there now? There was only one at AAR Maint at MIA in Oct and late Nov when I was there
 
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:49 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 7):
Those 3 ex-AirTran birds?

See reply #2 above by TZTriStar500.
 
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:58 pm

Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 6):
No, none are being returned. The 3 new aircraft are indeed for increased flying.

Any new routes? What routes are looking at more frequency?
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:04 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
Any new routes? What routes are looking at more frequency?

No new routes. These aircraft will be used to expand frequencies during peak hours like the mid-day rush. HA has been expanding mainland and international flying so the increased interisland frequencies will help with connecting traffic as well as local traffic.
 
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:59 am

I was in VCV this past week and saw at around between ten and fifteen 717s in storage. HA should pick all of them up. So sad to see these birds collecting dust.

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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:11 am

Quoting FlyMKG (Reply 12):
I was in VCV this past week and saw at around between ten and fifteen 717s in storage. HA should pick all of them up. So sad to see these birds collecting dust.

Those ten to fifteen are already spoken for by an undislosed airline
 
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:08 am

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 13):
Those ten to fifteen are already spoken for by an undislosed airline

I would hope so. Beautiful planes. All nicely preserved and only a few missing engines.

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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:39 am

Quoting as739x (Reply 4):
They are just a/c in for heavy maint. after the busy summer season. This is the slow time of year before the holiday season, so they get them in for there work now.

Nothing to do with the season, it is just time. HA's original 717s are all 10 years old and they have been sending them to AAR for heavy checks and repainting since 2010.

Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 6):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Quoting as739x (Reply 4):They are just a/c in for heavy maint. after the busy summer season. This is the slow time of year before the holiday season, so they get them in for there work now.

Apparently, 3 of the 5 are new to HA - which suggests increased flying. Are they returning 3?

No, none are being returned. The 3 new aircraft are indeed for increased flying.

In addition, the 15 717s HA currently has in the fleet were purchased by HA when they leased these 3 additional 717s. No 717s will be leaving HA anytime soon.
 
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:12 am

The 3 HA 712s that are being leased were with Midwest Airlines then due for Mexicana, but not taken up. They aren't ex-airTran birds.
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:28 am

Quoting FlyMKG (Reply 12):
I was in VCV this past week and saw at around between ten and fifteen 717s in storage. HA should pick all of them up. So sad to see these birds collecting dust.

I really don't know that there would ever be enough inter-island flying to justify such a large fleet
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:03 am

Quoting luftaom (Reply 17):
I really don't know that there would ever be enough inter-island flying to justify such a large fleet

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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:17 am

Quoting luftaom (Reply 17):
I really don't know that there would ever be enough inter-island flying to justify such a large fleet

Wouldn't be a bad plane to make inroads in the Western Mainland, however.
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:13 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Wouldn't be a bad plane to make inroads in the Western Mainland, however.



Do you mean Hawaii-western mainland or operations solely within the western mainland?
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:31 am

Quoting luftaom (Reply 20):
Do you mean Hawaii-western mainland or operations solely within the western mainland?

He means a feeder operation in the western half of the mainland; 717s aren't ETOPS certified, nor are they able to fly between Hawaii and the West Coast without ferry tanks in the cabin.
 
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:55 am

Quoting HNLPointShoot (Reply 21):

He means a feeder operation in the western half of the mainland

I think that this would be a great way for HA to lose a lot of money very quickly
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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:38 pm

Quoting luftaom (Reply 22):

Maybe so, but I think with the right routes and timing, it could work very well. Mind you, we're talking 122 passengers a day from places like DFW or DEN, maybe even SLC to LAX or LAS. (The two mainland-Hawaii routes that are more than once daily and wouldn't require departing at 6 am or earlier to catch the generally morning flight to HNL or OGG.)

Plus, with Hawaiian's excellent service..well, let's say you have a 717 flying from DFW to LAS, in order to catch HA 17, a flight that leaves around 2 am. The 717 could arrive around midnight at LAS, or even 12:30am. Then it would overnight @ LAS, then fly from LAS to LAX to connect to a LAX-HNL flight. People buying connections to Hawaii would have priority, but then someone who's simply going to fly from DFW to LAS could buy a ticket for that segment and have a very nice flight compared to some carriers that aren't as nice..even with 30 connecting passengers and 70 local passengers, priced right, it might not be as much of a loss as you claim.

You wouldn't even have to fly the connection flights daily, maybe just on the flights that are known to be heavier, or ones that are consistently overbooked.

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RE: 5 Hawaiian Air 717s @ MIA

Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:42 pm

Quoting luftaom (Reply 22):
I think that this would be a great way for HA to lose a lot of money very quickly

Wouldn't a codeshare with WN and F9 be so much cheaper?

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