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LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:09 pm

Today, LAN Airlines S.A. makes history as it officially launches its newest passenger affiliate: LAN Colombia. LAN Colombia will add 23 destinations to the LAN network, including 22 domestic destinations in Colombia and the international destination of Fort Lauderdale, Florida from Bogotá D.C.

Mr. Ignacio Cueto, COO of LAN Airlines S.A. states:

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“We’re proud that the network of LAN Airlines and its affiliates is increasing by 22 new destinations in Colombia, and expanding its connections in South America and the rest of the world. Our goal by launching this new affiliate airline is to make it possible for our passengers in all the countries where LAN Airlines and its affiliates operate, to discover Colombia with LAN’s signature world class quality of service.”
LAN Airlines launches a new affiliate in Colombia adding 23 destinations to the LAN network

LAN Colombia has a workforce of 1,750 employees and has already captured 23% of the domestic market with-in Colombia.

Fleet:



LAN Colombia currently has a fleet of 27 a/c, including 3 A-320s, 9 B-737-700s, 4 Dash-8-402Qs and 11 Dash-8-202Qs.

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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:59 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
oday, LAN Airlines S.A. makes history as it officially launches its newest passenger affiliate: LAN Colombia.

You mean Lan Aires
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:00 pm

Very interesting development, indeed.

How much of the new airline ( former Aires-Colombia ), is actually owned by LAN ? Will the new LAN-Colombia, continue to be based in MDE ? What has been the reaction from the Colombian public, in regards to accepting a "foreign" brand in the market ?

Amazing how LAN has been expanding, both, in the passenger and cargo arena.

All the best to parent company LAN and subsidiaries... now, we are just waiting for LATAM to jump on stage, any time now !!!

Best regards
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:26 pm

Quoting XA744 (Reply 2):
How much of the new airline ( former Aires-Colombia ), is actually owned by LAN ? Will the new LAN-Colombia, continue to be based in MDE ? What has been the reaction from the Colombian public, in regards to accepting a "foreign" brand in the market ?

LAN Airlines S.A. acquired 98.942% of the outstanding shares of the Colombian airline AIRES for US$12 million in cash on November 9th, 2010. LAN Colombia's hub is at Bogotá's El Dorado International Airport. LAN Cargo S.A. also has a Colombian cargo affiliate based at BOG, Línea Aérea Carguera de Colombia S.A.

LAN Colombia operates to a variety of domestic cities primarily from BOG:
Vuelos en Colombia

Internationally, LAN Colombia currently operates BOG-FLL daily (B-737-700). Also, LAN Airlines S.A. currently operates SCL-BOG-MIA 3x weekly (B763) and SCL-BOG 4x weekly (B763). LAN Perú S.A. currently operates LIM-BOG 2x daily (A-319), LIM-UIO-CLO 3x weekly (A-319), and LIM-UIO-MDE 4x weekly, (A-319).

LAN en Colombia ¡Esto hay que probarlo!
http://youtu.be/d3xqdeO-Vh4

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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:56 pm

Will LAN Colombia service switch over to MIA from FLL to compliment LAN focus city service/AA Hub?
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:13 pm

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 4):
Will LAN Colombia service switch over to MIA from FLL to compliment LAN focus city service/AA Hub?

Nope, LAN Colombia has decided to maintain its daily service into FLL.


LA3500 07:20AM BOG 11:15AM FLL B-737-700 DAILY
LA3501 12:45PM FLL 16:35PM BOG B-737-700 DAILY


LAN Colombia At FLL

LAN Colombia's 22 domestic destinations:

San Andres
Santa Marta
Barranquilla
Cartagena
Valledupar
Cúcuta
Bucaramanga
Montería
Apartado
Medellín
Quibdó
Manizales
Pereira
Ibagué
Armenia
Cali
Bogotá
Yopal
Villavicencio
Neiva
Puerto Asís
Leticia

LAN Airlines launches a new affiliate in Colombia adding 23 destinations to the LAN network

New Route Map:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...experiencia_de_viaje/destinos.html

[Edited 2011-12-05 08:51:52]
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:40 pm

Quoting XA744 (Reply 2):
Will the new LAN-Colombia, continue to be based in MDE ? What has been the reaction from the Colombian public, in regards to accepting a "foreign" brand in the market ?

Aires was based in BOG not MDE, LAN will continue to be based in BOG. Colombian public are very nationalistic when it comes to traditions and culture, but brand names have a small effect regardless if they are domestic or international as long as they cater to Colombian tastes and interests. Having said that in Colombia most domestic brand names have a very strong presence as they usually differentiate themselves quite well from the international competition.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:41 pm

I'm a huge fan of the 737NG, and it will be sad to see it replaced by the A320 once leases expire, but I understand the importance and common sense of fleet commonality. I guess they will use the callsign AIRES.

Being Colombian-American who grew up in South Florida, I can see why they don't to abandon the FLL flight. There is a large diaspora of Colombians, and it's less of a hassle compared to MIA.

In Colombia, Avianca has made a huge turnaround in terms of quality of service. COPA Airlines Colombia (Aerorepublica), I'm sure is doing well too.

It's good to see competition, and it will be interesting to see how these three airlines fare.

I wish them luck!

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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:00 pm

a 737NG in LAN colours looks just bizarre - or unbelievable
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:17 pm

Quoting XA744 (Reply 2):
What has been the reaction from the Colombian public, in regards to accepting a "foreign" brand in the market ?

There's the über nationalistic that will never accept it and there's the customer that does not care as long as it caters to its need with good prices. I do not anticipate they having any meaningful problem because of being "foreign". LAN has had a presence in Colombia for a long time now, and in recent years even from cities like MDE, CLO and CTG. Aires also had a problem with their image in the last 2 years derived from the problems they had with delays.
Judging by the Copa Airlines Colombia experience (Copa being the "foreign" brand in this case) I think there's not going to be any problem, even if as Bogota said, domestic brand names have a very strong presence, which is true.

Aires was based in BOG and had a strong presence in Medellin as well (both Airports, MDE and EOH, having had a strong presence in EOH ever since the times Aces Colombia disappeared). I don't know if that is going to continue that way, but given that they seem to be going to keep the Dash 8 (at least the -200), I would not think of a change of their Medellin overall presence, or at least not a big one.

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 8):
a 737NG in LAN colours looks just bizarre - or unbelievable

We have many here right now! Come and watch them before they go haha.
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:19 pm

Quoting LuisKMIA (Reply 7):
I'm a huge fan of the 737NG, and it will be sad to see it replaced by the A320 once leases expire, but I understand the importance and common sense of fleet commonality. I guess they will use the callsign AIRES.

The callsign is now LAN Colombia. LAN Colombia will also operate the B-767-316ERs, and eventually the B-787s for long-haul routes. LAN Colombia already has B763 trained pilots via LAN's Colombian cargo affiliate.

LAN's Colombian cargo affiliate operates the B-767-316F/ERs:
N312LA at MDE:

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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:47 pm

Quoting 757mde (Reply 9):
I think there's not going to be any problem, even if as Bogota said, domestic brand names have a very strong presence, which is true.

I not only think there will be no problem, on the contrary I think it is fantastic that BOG has become a hub for the 3 of the most important airlines in Latin America.

[Edited 2011-12-05 14:47:55]
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:53 pm

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 8):
a 737NG in LAN colours looks just bizarre - or unbelievable

- I think they look pretty good.

Not sure why they have a 737-800 rendering though!
111 732 733 734 735 736 73G 738 739,7M8 BBJ 741 742 743 744 752 753 762 763 764 772 77L 773 77W L15 D10 D30 D40 AB3 AB6 312 313 318 319 320 20N 321 21N 332 333 342 343 345 346 359 351 388 CS1 CS3 I86 154 SSJ CRJ CR7 CR9 CRK 145 170 175 220
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:03 pm

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 8):
a 737NG in LAN colours looks just bizarre - or unbelievable

Not more bizarre or unbelievable than a Dash... LAN C/S can look amazing in every type IMO.

Rgds.

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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:38 pm

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 13):
Not more bizarre or unbelievable than a Dash... LAN C/S can look amazing in every type IMO.

LAN's c/s also looks fantastic on the B-777-F6Ns as well! LAN will receive two new B-777-F6Ns next year. Also, more A-320s will be deployed to LAN Colombia during 2012. During 2012, LAN will receive 15 new A-320 family a/c.


LAN Cargo S.A. Boeing 777-F6N (N774AN) at BOG:


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This year, LAN CARGO’s affiliate in Colombia, Linea Aerea Carguera de Colombia S.A. recently opened a 65,121 sq. ft. (6,050 m2) facility at the El Dorado Airport in Bogota. The expansion of the warehouse facilities at BOG will result in a 125% increase in operating capacity, reducing the processing times for cargo delivery and reception by more than half.

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“This investment reaffirms LANCO’s commitment to the growth of the air cargo export industry in South America by supporting safety, quality and efficiency to customers in the Colombian flower industry ”, said Cristián Ureta, CEO, LAN CARGO adding that “these new facilities make it possible for customers of LANCO and LAN CARGO to increase competiveness, guarantee continued cold chain, and save time and resources in the export process”. During 2010, LANCO transported more than 47,300 tons of cargo, mostly flowers. For 2011, the company is expected to transport 92,000 tons.
LAN CARGO affiliate opens cargo warehouse in Latin America
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:04 am

Welcome LAN Colombia !

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 5):
LAN Colombia's 22 domestic destinations:

San Andres
Santa Marta
Barranquilla
Cartagena
Valledupar
Cúcuta
Bucaramanga
Montería
Apartado
Medellín
Quibdó
Manizales
Pereira
Ibagué
Armenia
Cali
Bogotá
Yopal
Villavicencio
Neiva
Puerto Asís
Leticia


Not surprise me that LAN Colombia is competing in almost all the domestic destinations served by its main competitor: AVIANCA.




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Quoting Bogota (Reply 6):
LAN will continue to be based in BOG


I've just noticed that LAN is actually following the "point to point" model from BOG.
Is there any route that LAN Colombia does not serve as non-stop flights originated at BOG for the time being ?




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Quoting LuisKMIA (Reply 7):
I can see why they don't to abandon the FLL flight


I see no reason why LAN Colombia should desist from operating BOG-FLL in the future.
AV BOG-FLL 7x weekly and NK FLL-BOG 7x weekly are now competing with the same number of scheduled flights on this sector.
Furthermore, Spirit Airlines had announced their intended plans to connect FLL-BOG to Ecuador and Peru in the foreseeable future.

Regards.
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:51 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 15):
Is there any route that LAN Colombia does not serve as non-stop flights originated at BOG for the time being ?

LAN Colombia operates a focus city at Medellín-Aeropuerto Enrique Olaya Herrera and flies to several destinations from EOH. AV does not operate into EOH. Some routes that LAN Colombia operates from EOH include:
EOH-APO
EOH-BGA-CUC
EOH-IBE
EOH-MTR
EOH-PEI
EOH-UIB
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:55 am

LAN Colombia will launch non-stop flights between BOG and MIA beginning on February 1, 2012. LAN Colombia will utilize the A-320 a/c on this new route. This is the first time that LAN will operate the A-320 a/c into the U.S. This new service will complement LAN Airlines' thrice weekly non-stop B-767-316ER operated service between BOG and MIA. Service to FLL will end on January 31, 2012.

LA3502 will operate BOG-MIA 4x weekly, (Mo, Tu, We, and Su).
LA3503 will operate MIA-BOG 4x weekly, (Mo, Tu, We, and Su).

[Edited 2011-12-15 23:21:20]
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:34 am

It must be noted that the MIA service will mean the withdrawal if LAN from FLL, with service there ceasing as MIA starts.

But jetBlue should have started service on FLL-BOG by then.

Quoting LuisKMIA (Reply 7):
Being Colombian-American who grew up in South Florida, I can see why they don't to abandon the FLL flight. There is a large diaspora of Colombians, and it's less of a hassle compared to MIA.

Well, LAN are abandoning it.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:03 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 18):
It must be noted that the MIA service will mean the withdrawal if LAN from FLL, with service there ceasing as MIA starts.

LAN has a major focus city at MIA. LAN Colombia is joining its sister carriers LAN Airlines S.A., LAN Argentina, LAN Cargo S.A., LAN Ecuador, and LAN Perú S.A. at MIA. With LAN Colombia moving over to MIA, it means that AV is no longer the dominant carrier on the BOG-MIA route!

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 18):
But jetBlue should have started service on FLL-BOG by then.

You forgot to mention that NK will also add two new daily non-stop flights between FLL and BOG as well.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:11 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
it means that AV is no longer the dominant carrier on the BOG-MIA route!

Since when is AV the "dominant" airline from BOG to MIA, AA has 2 or 3 daily flights depending on the season.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:18 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 20):
Since when is AV the "dominant" airline from BOG to MIA, AA has 2 or 3 daily flights depending on the season.

Avianca operates two daily flights, (A320 and A330). TACA operates one daily direct service between BOG and MIA as well.

WELCOME LAN COLOMBIA
LAN and Colombia

[Edited 2011-12-16 07:21:58]
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:58 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
LAN has a major

That's not the issue. MIA was always expected to be a destination for LAN Colombia, butthe question is whether they would continue in FLL. We now have the answer: LAN can't take the heat so they are getting out of the kitchen.

Btw, AA has the large portion of the MIA-BOG market, not AV.
But in any case you cannot talk of dominance in this route as its really not very different between the 2 of them.

LAN's increased capacity is of course helpful to an important route, though jetBlue's forthcoming addition is more refreshing on the South Florida - Bogota market.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:25 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 22):
That's not the issue. MIA was always expected to be a destination for LAN Colombia, butthe question is whether they would continue in FLL.

All of LAN Colombia's flights are going to operate into MIA.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 22):
We now have the answer: LAN can't take the heat so they are getting out of the kitchen.

LAN can't take the heat? Currently, LAN's only competition is one daily flight operated by AV and one daily flight operated by NK, and LAN hasn't lowered fares on the route. Didn't you notice that AIRES zeroed out BOG-FLL months ago starting on February 1st? Regardless, the BOG-FLL route will soon receive three new daily services, so AV can watch its yield drop on the route.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:16 pm

The schedule for LAN's flights between BOG and MIA:

LAN Colombia A-320-233 CC-CQM:

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Operated by LAN Colombia:
LA3502 07:20 BOG 12:12 MIA A-320 (Mo, Tu, We, Su)
LA3503 13:55 MIA 16:45 BOG A-320 (Mo, Tu, We, Su)



LAN Airlines B-767-316ER CC-CXJ at BOG:

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Operated by LAN Airlines:
LA570 14:45 BOG 18:25 MIA B-763 (Th, Fr, Su)
LA571 08:25 MIA 11:55 BOG B-763 (Th, Fr, Su)

LA570 originates in Santiago de Chile.
LA571 terminates in Santiago de Chile.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:10 am

So LAN Colombia is actually REDUCING capacity on the Colombia-South Florida market, since they are going from daily BOG-FLL 73G service plus 3x weekly BOG-MIA 763, to only daily service BOG-MIA... Way to go  

Additionally, there will be a huge problem in service consistency, offering a very plain and basic product on some days onboard de A320 versus the better offering onboard de 767s.

Comparatively, Avianca offers 2x daily flights on the A330 and A320 which offer the same onboard product and far better schedules.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:48 am

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 25):
So LAN Colombia is actually REDUCING capacity on the Colombia-South Florida market, since they are going from daily BOG-FLL 73G service plus 3x weekly BOG-MIA 763, to only daily service BOG-MIA... Way to go

LAN will offer four weekly morning departures from BOG and three weekly afternoon departures from BOG. AV knows that LAN Colombia will operate brand new B-767-316ERs next year. LAN will receive 7 new B-767-316ERs next year, along with 5 B-787-8 Dreamliners as well. How many wide-body a/c will AV receive next year? LAN has a lot of wide-body a/c on order and new B-767-316ERs will also join LAN's fleet during 2013, along with more B-787-8 Dreamliners.

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 25):
Comparatively, Avianca offers 2x daily flights on the A330 and A320 which offer the same onboard product and far better schedules.

Comparatively, LAN now offers 7 weekly non-stop flights on the SCL-BOG route utilizing the B-767-316ERs. LAN has captured the premium traffic on the route; which clearly prefers LAN's timings on the route and LAN's superior product offered on the B-767-316ER. Much better than spending 6 hours on an A-319 4x weekly since AV only deploys the A330 on the route thrice weekly.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:49 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 21):
TACA operates one daily direct service between BOG and MIA

TACA does not operate direct services from BOG to MIA. They operate the route via SJO (LR690/691).

Rgds.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:06 pm

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 25):
Additionally, there will be a huge problem in service consistency, offering a very plain and basic product on some days onboard de A320 versus the better offering onboard de 767s.

About the same problem that AV has if a pax flies on an A330 and then back on the A320. Sometimes this commentaries seem only product of very scared AV fans. Common, great to see better connections for Colombians into the world.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 22):
LAN can't take the heat so they are getting out of the kitchen.

This kind of commentary out of you, I am really surprised Mr. Analysis. It does not take much to know that LA will do a better job at AA Miami hub than at FLL.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:19 pm

Quoting Bogota (Reply 28):
About the same problem that AV has if a pax flies on an A330 and then back on the A320. Sometimes this commentaries seem only product of very scared AV fans. Common, great to see better connections for Colombians into the world

couldnt agree more! nice to have LA in Colombia! I really hope they will expand very fast internationally! specially with flights to Venezuela and europe!
Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:44 pm

Quoting Bogota (Reply 28):
Common, great to see better connections for Colombians into the world.

It also enables more international tourists to visit various Colombian destinations with ease since both tickets and packages are now easily booked via LAN. LAN is heavily promoting its new Colombian destinations to customers all over the world. For example, in Chile and Perú, passengers can now visit tropical destinations such as ADZ and CTG on LAN. Many Chileans are increasingly traveling to Colombia during this high season. Some routings that passengers are utilizing to ADZ and CTG include:

LA0570 SCL-BOG
LA3098 BOG-CTG
LA3095 CTG-BOG
LA0573 BOG-SCL

LA0570 SCL-BOG
LA3046 BOG-ADZ
LA3047 ADZ-BOG
LA0573 BOG-SCL

LA2582 LIM-BOG
LA3046 BOG-ADZ
LA3047 ADZ-BOG
LA2583 BOG-LIM

La nueva filial de LAN Airlines, LAN Colombia suscribió un acuerdo con Proexport, entidad que promueve el turismo, para el impulso internacional de Colombia
LAN Colombia suscribe acuerdo para promocionar el turismo del país

Quoting Avianca (Reply 29):
couldnt agree more! nice to have LA in Colombia! I really hope they will expand very fast internationally! specially with flights to Venezuela and europe!

I would expect LAN Colombia to launch BOG-CCS, BOG-MAR and BOG-VLN...
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:02 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 21):
Avianca operates two daily flights, (A320 and A330). TACA operates one daily direct service between BOG and MIA as well.

Taca flies from BOG to Miami via central america NOT Nonstop.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 24):
Operated by LAN Colombia:
LA3502 07:20 BOG 12:12 MIA A-320 (Mo, Tu, We, Su)
LA3503 13:55 MIA 16:45 BOG A-320 (Mo, Tu, We, Su)

Why such an early morning departure, it seems very early. With all the "israeli" type security( know it personally from my own travel to Colombia) of planes leaving Colombia for the USA and all the time that involoves making passengers get to El Dorado at 3:00AM seems awful.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:08 pm

Quoting Bogota (Reply 28):
About the same problem that AV has if a pax flies on an A330 and then back on the A320. Sometimes this commentaries seem only product of very scared AV fans. Common, great to see better connections for Colombians into the world.

In LAN, the 32S and 767 products are very different. The 32S is LASER in full swing, while the 767, as noted, is miles apart.

In contrast, Avianca´s product on their 330/320s is, if not the same, very, very similar.

Regards,

[Edited 2011-12-17 07:09:31]
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:10 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 31):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 21):
Avianca operates two daily flights, (A320 and A330). TACA operates one daily direct service between BOG and MIA as well.

Taca flies from BOG to Miami via central america NOT Nonstop.

I did not say non-stop, I said a direct service.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 31):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 24):
Operated by LAN Colombia:
LA3502 07:20 BOG 12:12 MIA A-320 (Mo, Tu, We, Su)
LA3503 13:55 MIA 16:45 BOG A-320 (Mo, Tu, We, Su)

Why such an early morning departure, it seems very early. With all the "israeli" type security( know it personally from my own travel to Colombia) of planes leaving Colombia for the USA and all the time that involoves making passengers get to El Dorado at 3:00AM seems awful.

I would not describe the security at BOG as intense as it was a while back. Also, the schedule is basically the same as the current service between BOG and FLL.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:23 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 31):
Why such an early morning departure, it seems very early. With all the "israeli" type security( know it personally from my own travel to Colombia) of planes leaving Colombia for the USA and all the time that involoves making passengers get to El Dorado at 3:00AM seems awful.

Pax are asked to be at the airport 3 hours prior to departure, that is at 4:20 not 3 a.m. but most passengers arrive about 2 hours prior which is around 5 a.m. At that time it is peak hour for domestic departures but quite easy for international departures. If the plane 1 hour to 2 hours later that would be a very different story. I rather get to the airport at 5 and find a quite empty international terminal than at 6 or 7 and find an extremely full terminal.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:27 pm

Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 32):
In LAN, the 32S and 767 products are very different. The 32S is LASER in full swing, while the 767, as noted, is miles apart.

The A-320 operated flights will feature a Premium Economy cabin:
http://www.lan.com/es_co/sitio_perso...ervicio/premium-economy/index.html

The economy section of A-320 will feature a full meal service, two free pieces of checked luggage, as well as in-flight entertainment, (similar to CM's economy service). LAN Colombia will receive at least three new B-767-316ERs next year for intercontinental routes. The A-320s will primarily be deployed on domestic routes and regional routes to nearby destinations.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:30 pm

Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 32):
In LAN, the 32S and 767 products are very different. The 32S is LASER in full swing, while the 767, as noted, is miles apart.

In contrast, Avianca´s product on their 330/320s is, if not the same, very, very similar.

It may be similar in economy it is miles apart in business. But regardless a commentary about the differential of the product should come from somebody using the same type of product as an example. If it is not exact it is different, there is really not much middle ground. Plus do not forget this is just a first step, I am sure as soon as the first B767 is available for LAN Colombia they will standarize the route. AV just a couple of years back had a pretty differential product on the MIA route among most others until they finally got rid of their old B767.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:40 pm

Quoting Bogota (Reply 36):
Plus do not forget this is just a first step, I am sure as soon as the first B767 is available for LAN Colombia they will standarize the route.

The BOG-MIA route will eventually operate solely with the B-767-316ERs due to various reasons. The main one is that BOG-MIA is a cargo intensive route and LAN Cargo operates a major cargo hub at MIA. With 7 new Boeing 767-316ERs coming next year, plus 5 B-787-8s which will free up additional B-767-316ERs, LAN Colombia will certainly begin to operate the B-767-316ERs by next June.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:54 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 37):
With 7 new Boeing 767-316ERs coming next year, plus 5 B-787-8s which will free up additional B-767-316ERs, LAN Colombia will certainly begin to operate the B-767-316ERs by next June.

How many of those es 763s will be based in Colombia next year?
How many 787s?

In answer to your question about widebodies for AV-TA next year, the answer is 3 A330s.

Nobody is pretending that AV-TA is anywhere as large or indeed as nasty as LAN.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:02 pm

Quoting Bogota (Reply 28):
This kind of commentary out of you, I am really surprised Mr. Analysis. It does not take much to know that LA will do a better job at AA Miami hub than at FLL.

Mr Yamhure, in previous posts some people were saying that LAN could stay at FLL as well as starting MIA
This is clearly not the case.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:28 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 38):
or indeed as nasty as LAN.

Totally uncalled type of commentary, are you trying to flame up the forum as usual?

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 39):
Mr Yamhure

Sorry Mr. Analysis but your detective skills are not very good.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 39):
in previous posts some people were saying that LAN could stay at FLL as well as starting MIA

And you were the first one arguing that LAN was going to move due to its connections with AA, now you are trying to imply they could not resist the competition at FLL.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:37 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 38):
How many of those es 763s will be based in Colombia next year?
How many 787s?

LAN just received three new B-767-316ERs with-in the past couple of months. Next year, LAN will receive 7 new B-767-316ERs and in 2013, LAN will receive 4 new B-767-316ERs with options for 4 more B-767-316ERs all due for delivery in 2013. LAN will be the first carrier in the Americas to operate the B-787-8 Dreamliner next year and will receive 5 B-787-8 Dreamliners during 2012. LAN Perú will receive two B-767-316ERs next year. Depending on what routes LAN decides to deploy the first 5 B-787-8s on next year, it will most likely free up additional B-767-316ERs. For example, it's highly likely that LAN may deploy the B-787-8 on the LIM-MAD route which would free up two B-767-316ERs. LAN is also focused on significantly increasing its cargo operations from Colombia. LAN operates the largest foreign owned cargo facility in the U.S. at MIA, (not FLL)! For example, LAN operates the B-777Fs between BOG and AMS via MIA. After acquiring AIRES, its no wonder LAN decided to place two separate orders with Boeing for the B-767-316ERs this year. Also, two more B-777Fs will join LAN Cargo's fleet next year.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:48 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 33):
I would not describe the security at BOG as intense as it was a while back.

absolutely!

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 41):
LAN will be the first carrier in the Americas to operate the B-787-8

really first time I hear this!  

Again I wish good luck to LAN and I am looking forward to many new routes + that LAN gave some goodys to burn my miles on intracolombia flights!!!

BTW the Customer service from LAN for Elite members is a joke, but yes Avianca / Taca is not better....

Cheers
Avianca
Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:04 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 42):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 41):
LAN will be the first carrier in the Americas to operate the B-787-8

really first time I hear this!

Well LATAM may consider ordering additional long-haul a/c next year since they plan on doubling their fleet within the next 10 years. LAN is moving towards operating a wide-body fleet consisting solely of Boeing a/c; but LAN does not even operate the B-787 as yet. I hope that LAN eventually decides to "top up" its B-787 order and perhaps consider ordering new B-767-300Fs...
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:40 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 41):

So after that long winded list that you have copied and pasted hundreds of times, I guess the answer is that you don't know how many 767s and 787s will be based at BOG next year.

Quoting Bogota (Reply 40):
And you were the first one arguing that LAN was going to move due to its connections with AA, now you are trying to imply they could not resist the competition at FLL.

For a big multi hub airline like LAN it does not have to be " either or". Whereas MIA is obvious,
FLL can be a destination from its BOG hub, just an example of the destinations that it can serve from BOG
that it has not from elsewhere.

On LAN, you will do find that the consensus is that the merger recently approved makes it exactly that: big and nasty in a region with limited options.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:15 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 35):

The economy section of A-320 will feature a full meal service, two free pieces of checked luggage, as well as in-flight entertainment, (similar to CM's economy service). LAN Colombia will receive at least three new B-767-316ERs next year for intercontinental routes. The A-320s will primarily be deployed on domestic routes and regional routes to nearby destinations.

Is there any possibility we'll see LAN Colombia start service to LAX once they start receiving 763ERs ?
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:21 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 44):
So after that long winded list that you have copied and pasted hundreds of times, I guess the answer is that you don't know how many 767s and 787s will be based at BOG next year.

LAN is a carrier that deploys a/c to its subsidiaries to meet demand. However, Colombia lacks Open Skies Treaties with several countries which only hurts consumers. It's a different situation in countries such as Brasil, Chile, Perú, etc. LAN Colombia wanted to fly to certain destination(s) in Europe next year, but its options are limited since there is a lack of OS Treaties. However, LAN always plans ahead, unlike some other carriers in the region. LAN has a significant number of wide-body a/c on order and recently expanded its training center for pilots and cabin crew in Chile. Perú is also getting a new training center as well.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 44):
On LAN, you will do find that the consensus is that the merger recently approved makes it exactly that: big and nasty in a region with limited options.

With the combination, both LAN and TAM passengers will have new opportunities to travel seamlessly to more destinations. LATAM will open new routes that neither LAN nor TAM could have operated by itself. For example, passengers from Argentina and Chile can travel to CDG, FRA, LHR, MCO, MXP, etc. along with a plethora of destinations with-in Brasil. The combination will allow TAM to open new routes to Europe and Africa from Brasil. LAN will also operate routes to Europe via Brasil. The combination will also enable LAN to open new intercontinental routes from LIM since both LAN and TAM plan to significantly increase regional flights into the LIM hub, specifically from Brasil, in order to launch new routes to Central America and North America.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 45):
Is there any possibility we'll see LAN Colombia start service to LAX once they start receiving 763ERs ?

LAN does plan to increase flights to the West Coast and since MasAir already operates cargo flights between BOG and LAX, perhaps passenger flights will soon follow.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:26 pm

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 44):
On LAN, you will do find that the consensus is that the merger recently approved makes it exactly that: big and nasty in a region with limited options.

Which concensus, I have not seen a poll or something similar to it. Please avoid using teenage language to describe what you do not like. This tries to be a forum of interest where people debate in a civilized manner, that's why it clearly states we should all take the high road when debating. I formally invite you to do the same and avoid your permanently inflamatory language.
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:40 pm

Congratulations to LA and its new operation in BOG. This topic appears to be quite sensitive for posters, involving all kinds of issues, including competition and market influence, as well as that nasty affliction that has plagued Latin America for too long: nationalism.

AV is developing its regional operations outside Colombia and will, no doubt, become LA's primary competitor. However, there does appear to be one area LA clearly has greater experience with: operational integration throughout Latin America. LA affiliates and its regional affiliates, 4M, LP, LAN Ecuador and, now, 4C all maintain identical commercial branding and systems. I imagine integrating TAM will take several years, rather than 12 months.

AV, on the other hand, closed its transaction with TA ages ago and has yet to fully integrate its operations. Even TA itself appears slow in this effort. Any clue when AV and its myriad operations, 2K, O6 [yes understand it is a separately-owned entity], etc, etc. will fully integrate with the alphabet soup that is TA?

Obviously, regulatory and ownership restriction play a part here. Nonetheless, LA has successfully integrated separate carriers in some rather restrictive jurisdictions [Argentina anyone?], all with common systems, and a single commercial identity. LA is moving quickly to phase in its fleet into 4C and appears eager to grow its operations in BOG.

AV appears to have a unique chance to become a pan-regional competitor to the LA giant. It needs to move quickly and:

- Exercise its call option issued by Synergy SA and acquire full control of O6
- Quickly grow in Brasil with O6 where infrastructure permits, especially GIG
- Lobby Star Alliance to include O6
- Adopt a common, regional identity, I understand AV will already implement this change over 2012
- List its equity in on the NYSE and Bovespa and expand its institutional ownership
- More wide body aircraft, more A330-200, a lot more!
 
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RE: LAN Colombia Officially Launches

Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:50 pm

Quoting airliner777 (Reply 27):

TACA does not operate direct services from BOG to MIA. They operate the route via SJO (LR690/691).
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 31):

Taca flies from BOG to Miami via central america NOT Nonstop.

Though SCL767 already clarified, I felt it bore repeating that "nonstop" and "direct" do not mean the same thing. A nonstop flight is self-explanatory, whereas a direct flight may involve one or more stops at intermediate points, but generally does not require the passenger to change aircraft. A direct flight may also be known as a thru flight.

Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 8):
a 737NG in LAN colours looks just bizarre - or unbelievable

Agreed! I was at FLL for the first time in months these past two weeks, and I did a double-take when I saw what not only appeared to be a LAN aircraft, but a 737 at that! I still haven't decided if the color scheme really suits the 737, but I'll miss seeing them after January.

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