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BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:09 am

I was on an ARN-LHR flight last night and got speaking to the CSD who had some information about the A380. I have taken this as with a pinch of salt but it seems that the following routes will see the A380 first:

- Hong Kong (HKG)
- Cape Town (CPT)
- Los Angeles (LAX)

Also apparently the A380 will initially run rotations from LHR-CDG for crew training purposes similar to AF a couple of years ago.

So we'll see what happens!
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:14 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
- Cape Town (CPT)

Why Capetown and not Johannesburg? I always thought Johannesburg would be the much bigger market?
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:17 am

LHR-HKG

LHR-JFK

LHR-SIN-SYD

LHR-NRT

LHR-LAX

etc etc.....
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:32 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
LHR-JFK

I can understand LAX, but personally think JFK is unlikely to be a candidate for the A380 (at least initially). The route relies on frequency almost as much as capacity. There is already good capacity on it and adding an A380 on a couple of flights a day make the product inconsistent. With new cabins installed across the 747 and 777 fleet, there doesn't seem much benefit to utilising the few that they're getting on this route.

This isn't to say that if BA did introduce the A380 to JFK that they'd cut back on frequency but there really doesn't seem much point in doing so, other than for prestige purposes, and that seems a bit of a weak argument. Far better to deploy this limited resource on premium-heavy routes that do well in all cabins (NRT, DXB, HKG....)
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:49 am

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 3):
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Well they could drop one frequency and start a new route with the freed up planes.That would be a good reason.
They have like 10 flights a day to JFK anyway so plenty of frequency left.
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:55 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
LHR-HKG

LHR-JFK

LHR-SIN-SYD

LHR-NRT

LHR-LAX

SIN-SYD is highly unlikely. It's a low yield route with poor aircraft utilisation.

JFK may be an initial route because it's a shorter route and there's plenty of backup capacity if things go wrong, but frequency really does matter on this route.

NRT probably doesn't have the traffic for an A380.
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:20 am

Quoting Hooverman (Reply 4):
Well they could drop one frequency and start a new route with the freed up planes.That would be a good reason.
They have like 10 flights a day to JFK anyway so plenty of frequency left.

Yeah this is certainly true as well! A single 777 flying an 9.5 hour flight, 2 hours turn each end, could comfortably start a new route. Especially if they consolidated two of the less popular JFK sectors.

But I think they'll want to throw this at a route that really shows it off. HKG or LAX certainly top of my list!
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:40 am

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 5):
JFK may be an initial route because it's a shorter route and there's plenty of backup capacity if things go wrong, but frequency really does matter on this route.

I think what you would probably do is stick A380s where the demand lies, Surely not all the 10 flights a day have the same demand.

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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:52 am

I personally think the first really long routes for the BA A380's will be Hong Kong, Los Angeles and maybe Johannesburg, with summer flights to San Francisco. Flights to Sydney are not likely due to the dominance of QF and SQ on the route between London and Sydney.
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:56 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):

I pretty much agree with that. As south Africa Route(CPT is just as busy as JNB) West Coast US, LAX over SFO. Asia, so HKG, maybe NRT, I dont know, but NRT does see 773 service and is busy so I could see it go there.. SYD I dont see. Maybe to SIN and HKG to hook onto the QF380 services from there?
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Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:19 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
Also apparently the A380 will initially run rotations from LHR-CDG for crew training purposes similar to AF a couple of years ago.

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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:19 am

Why CDG and not AMS as semi training runs? There are about 60 flights a day between London and Amsterdam I think, and LON-PAR has the Eurostar as big competitor.
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:25 am

Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):


-Hong Kong (HKG)
- Cape Town (CPT)
- Los Angeles (LAX)

as for "the initial routes" I agree with that.

I bet MIA and NRT will follow suit... not sure about JFK, that's a frequency market
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:50 am

I don't think NRT is likey. From the sounds of it, with the new HND service, there is plenty of capacity to Tokyo at the moment, without need of an A380.
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:50 am

I've said it before, and will say it again... It comes down to the configuration the BA decides to fit these planes with... If they're going for an all J upper deck with 90-100 seats then we will see them send the planes across the Atlantic, and to big Asian centres like HKG (wouldn't be surprised if this is the inaugural route -- would fit in nicely with QF starting the A380 to HKG in January), SIN etc.

But if they go for F upstairs, then J behind (50ish seats), then W behind that and then all Y lower deck then things change dramatically.

Of course, at the end of the day it will end up being a bit like the 77W. The schedulers will move the planes around with each schedule change and figure out what works best where. I see BA going for high-Y planes to start with to add another level of flexibility to the fleet.

Quoting Hirnie (Reply 1):
Why Capetown and not Johannesburg? I always thought Johannesburg would be the much bigger market?

Both are double daily 744's from BA so there's probably not much in it.

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 5):
SIN-SYD is highly unlikely. It's a low yield route with poor aircraft utilisation.

   Eventually it will be an A380 no doubt, but not while the fleet is limited.
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:19 pm

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 3):
I can understand LAX, but personally think JFK is unlikely to be a candidate for the A380 (at least initially). The route relies on frequency almost as much as capacity. There is already good capacity on it and adding an A380 on a couple of flights a day make the product inconsistent. With new cabins installed across the 747 and 777 fleet, there doesn't seem much benefit to utilising the few that they're getting on this route.

JFK will definately get it, not neccesarily immediately but eventually I reckon at least 50% of BAs JFK services will be served by the A380. Initially however I would not be surprised if we found it going there maybe 3 or 4 times a week with a gradual build up...why? Well BA are going to want it to be in the air as much as possible in those early days in order to train up the crew. If the plane comes in from say NRT in the early afternoon it has already missed the scheduled departure for the outbound so chuck it on a wee JFK in the afternoon, have it back to london the following morning and back in the air for the NRT the following afternoon! Its all about utilisation and experience which just cannot be gained by the crew on the likes of a LHR-CDG etc!
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:46 pm

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 3):
This isn't to say that if BA did introduce the A380 to JFK that they'd cut back on frequency but there really doesn't seem much point in doing so, other than for prestige purposes, and that seems a bit of a weak argument. Far better to deploy this limited resource on premium-heavy routes that do well in all cabins (NRT, DXB, HKG....)

Dubai, CapeTown, Hong Kong and NRT are all great for eventual A380 destinations but one plane can NOT do a daily roundtrip. JFK or another US east coast city can do a daily roundtrip to LHR.
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:09 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
Also apparently the A380 will initially run rotations from LHR-CDG
Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 10):
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Seems a bit copycat to do Paris like Air France did. Why not do AMS or MAD?

Doesn't the timetable involve leaving the A380 on the ground all day in South Africa? The 744s have to do that too I believe.
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:13 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 14):
Both are double daily 744's from BA so there's probably not much in it.

Just to illustrate total taffic to/from LHR in 2010:

JNB: 886,146, down -4% over 2009.
CPT: 492,079, down -10% over 2009.

Source: www.caa.co.uk/airportstatistics and then 2010 annual.
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:16 pm

Galley FM again?

Quoting qf002 (Reply 14):
I see BA going for high-Y planes to start with to add another level of flexibility to the fleet.

That would be inconsistent with the strategy of the past 10 years. Why would you start targetting low yield passengers with the A380? Given the number of 70 J class 744s, I think you were much closer to the mark with predictions of a 90-100 seat J class in the A380 - and probably 45-50 World Traveller Plus seats (bearing in mind the 744s have 30-36). F will probably remain around 14-17, so World Traveller will get what is left.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 16):
Dubai, CapeTown, Hong Kong and NRT are all great for eventual A380 destinations but one plane can NOT do a daily roundtrip.

Hmmm. BA doesn't need to funnel vast volumes of pax to DXB for connections, and given it is currently a mix of 763s, 772s and 744s, I would say A380 is unlikely - upguage first. (And one plane can do a round trip in a day).

CPT is only double daily in the northern winter, and is "only" a low J (52) B744 - on which basis I will say A380 unlikely.

HKG - very likely given recent increase in frequency.

NRT - Potentially but suspect would go to a High J B744 before going A380, especially with the Haneda service.

Throw one out from leftfield - GRU? On the positive side, they fill 70 Club World seats each and every day at ludicrous yields and growth at GRU is constricted, on the downside, there is 10 hours of downtime between arrival and departure.

Would have thought JNB would be almost certain....
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:21 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 16):
Dubai great for eventual A380 destinations but one plane can NOT do a daily roundtrip.

Not going to get into this argument about possible 380 routes, but one aircraft can easily do LHR-DXB-LHR on one day.

E.g. BA109:

LHR-DXB: 2140-0830*
DXB-LHR: 1005-1400
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:24 pm

I would think that they would use it on routes where they have increasing demand, especially by premium pax, longer haul where 4 engines are an advantage (over the poles, the middle East, Russia, Southern Africa) and slot restrictions. I am quite sure the accountants will have a lot of say in where they will be deployed. Also, certain airports that already have A380 service may be good (like LAX) as would have existing MX services available.

JFK would be good at first as a critical route for them and can offer daily round trip utilization of them, as well as offer good publicity and experience. I would think next would be HGK and LAX as can't increase frequency and also have sufficient premium pax demand. They could shift 777's to other destinations where appropriate.
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:26 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
Also apparently the A380 will initially run rotations from LHR-CDG for crew training purposes similar to AF a couple of years ago.

The fact he mentioned CDG alone makes me question all other stations. I don't see a reason for BA to fly it into CDG and not MAD instead. Not saying it's impossible, but highly unlikely.
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:42 pm

The initial routes are LAX HKG and JNB not CPT
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:11 pm

Quoting Babybus (Reply 17):
Seems a bit copycat to do Paris like Air France did. Why not do AMS or MAD?

If something happens to the plane at least at CDG there will be some expertise on the A380...
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:16 pm

Quoting something (Reply 22):
The fact he mentioned CDG alone makes me question all other stations. I don't see a reason for BA to fly it into CDG and not MAD instead. Not saying it's impossible, but highly unlikely.

What about the fact that you missed the "for pilot training" bit?
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:16 pm

I thought it would be more along the lines of:

LHR-JNB
LHR-HKG
LHR-LAX
LHR-MIA
LHR-NRT
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:19 pm

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 8):
Flights to Sydney are not likely due to the dominance of QF and SQ on the route between London and Sydney.

First of all QF and BA are in a full revenue sharing Joint Service Agreement on the Kangaroo route, so it is moot whose metal is used.
Second, QF have already announced thay will stop Kangaroo routes other than via SIN and the BKK-LHR and HKG-LHR will be fed to BA codeshares. Why wouldn't QF take the BA passengers on A380's SIN-SYD/MEL?

In which case LHR - SIN could be quite likely.
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:00 pm

I was skeptical at first of the mentioned LHR-CDG route, but Hooverman has a good point:

Quoting Hooverman (Reply 24):
If something happens to the plane at least at CDG there will be some expertise on the A380...

You would think, though, that LHR-MAD would be the more logical choice considering it's the OneWorld partner hub .... Will be interesting to see how things play out.
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:18 pm

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 26):
I thought it would be more along the lines of:

LHR-JNB
LHR-HKG
LHR-LAX
LHR-MIA
LHR-NRT

that seems to be the general consensus.... As it would be for most major European carriers
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:58 pm

Quoting Hooverman (Reply 4):
Well they could drop one frequency and start a new route with the freed up planes.That would be a good reason.
They have like 10 flights a day to JFK anyway so plenty of frequency left.

The major question is why BA would even consider a frequency reduction on the route where by all accounts frequency (at least on the west bound flights) is more important than on any other route?

Next summer BA/AA will have 12 weekday LHR-JFK flights departing at 0830, 1000, 1055*, 1130, 1300, 1400*, 1505, 1600, 1700*, 1800, 1900* and 2000 (with the AA metal flights asterisked). All the BA metal flights are by 744 except the 1800 77W flight.

So the secondary question is that if there is a significant and predictable variation in demand from flight to flight why do not BA currently downgrade some of these flights to the 772? Why are all flights by 744 or 77W?

The tertiary question is exactly how many 744s do you free up by introducing a 380 service on a route? I would have thought the answer (depending on configuration) would be one and a bit but nowhere near two. Hence:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 21):
I would think that they would use it on routes where they have increasing demand

replacing a 744 on a one-for-one basis.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 11):
Why CDG and not AMS as semi training runs? There are about 60 flights a day between London and Amsterdam I think, and LON-PAR has the Eurostar as big competitor.
Quoting something (Reply 22):
The fact he mentioned CDG alone makes me question all other stations. I don't see a reason for BA to fly it into CDG and not MAD instead.

Essentially a training sortie is a quick up-and-down short distance flight. In that way flight crew can complete the maximum number of rotations in any given time period and cabin crew can complete all their duties between the start of boarding to full passenger embarkation in the shortest elapsed time. So crew training on a very short haul scheduled flight is more efficient than on non-passenger flights. It is three times more efficient using AMS (231 miles) or, better still, CDG (216 miles) than LHR-MAD (773 miles). Why train crew on a route where for more than half the flight time the crew are learning little if anything new? The point of training long haul crew on short haul flights is to concentrate and maximise the training they receive in any elapsed time frame.

CDG is clearly preferable for such training flights. It is not only one of the shortest routes in BA's network. CDG is already regularly handling 380 flights well in advance of BA's 380 introduction. It is also a busy route scheduled to operate 7 times a day next summer. It is therefore an ideal 380 crew training route .

Finally - and possibly to some here most importantly - there are all the a-netters and other enthusiasts not only wanting to try out BA's 380s on a low-cost flight to CDG (saving buckets on a trial flight to HKG or wherever), some of whom will chance their arm and buy a Club Europe ticket in the hope of perhaps getting a better-than-J-Class seat for what will still be a modest outlay.     This could be a great way of filling a 380 on a route normally served by a 319!

As for First Cass EuroStar, can it compete against BA F Class 380?
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:37 pm

Looks like BA might be ready to announce their configuration shortly. If you go to their fleet facts page for a specific aircraft:

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/boeing-777-300/public/en_gb

On the right side of the aircraft graphic is a scale list of all their aircraft, the second from top doesn't have a page yet....and looks roughly like an A380
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:43 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 30):
Essentially a training sortie is a quick up-and-down short distance flight. In that way flight crew can complete the maximum number of rotations in any given time period and cabin crew can complete all their duties between the start of boarding to full passenger embarkation in the shortest elapsed time. So crew training on a very short haul scheduled flight is more efficient than on non-passenger flights. It is three times more efficient using AMS (231 miles) or, better still, CDG (216 miles) than LHR-MAD (773 miles). Why train crew on a route where for more than half the flight time the crew are learning little if anything new? The point of training long haul crew on short haul flights is to concentrate and maximise the training they receive in any elapsed time frame.

True indeed but there's still the element of reality colliding with that theory (which I actually don't mean to sound snarky). Just because BA could squeeze more rotations out of LHR-AMS-LHR than out of LHR-MAD-LHR doesn't mean they'd actually do that. I believe AF had not more than 2 daily CDG-LHR-CDG flights in the beginning stages (but stand to be educated on this..). I would also assume it's much easier to obtain slots for MAD than it is for CDG and it should also make more money for BA which admittedly won't be their primary concern, but not totally disregarded either.

I don't think the ''CDG has A380 expertise'' argument is a factor for the route selection though. IB have huge Airbus maintenance facilities, Airbus has a lot of A380s parts built at Getafe and I doubt that the Spaniards would be overchallenged with handling the bird. If anything, it might get them trained for things to come..
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:21 pm

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 31):
Looks like BA might be ready to announce their configuration shortly. If you go to their fleet facts page for a specific aircraft:

Wow...eagle eyes. It has to be an A380. The 772, 773 and 744 are there...what else could it be.

Imagine the ensuing hysteria if there were a 748 silhouetted there suddenly....if only.

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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:32 pm

Quoting something (Reply 32):
True indeed but there's still the element of reality colliding with that theory (which I actually don't mean to sound snarky). Just because BA could squeeze more rotations out of LHR-AMS-LHR than out of LHR-MAD-LHR doesn't mean they'd actually do that.

Of course not. They will require a set number of crew training flights and this could be achieved on any of a great number of routings. But training efficiency - the use of the valuable resourse of the trainers themselves is impacted by the route selection.

BA could might operate only one 380 training flight a day, perhaps between a fully commercial rotation to JFK or BOS, depending upon the growing need for fully trained crews over a given time period. Indeed there are many such optionns. But if BA were to operate LHR-MAD instread of LHR-CDG it would achieve nothing more but for three times the flying cost and three times the trainers' time for virtually no incremental training / knowedge gain.

So it is, as you say, not necessarily a matter of squeezing the maximum number of rotations a day. Rather it is a matter of maximising the real training time per flight.

As I suggested before I see no training advantages of operating a longer flight when the additional flight time is far less training intensive. So while a single LHR-CDG training flight is more training cost effective than an LHR-MAD flight, a training flight to MAD would be more efficient than one to JFK.

In terms of CDG or AMS I was giving a reason in response to an earlier suggestion as to why CDG was not worth considering as a training route because I consider that the EuroStar commercial domination of that route put forward as a reason to be totally irrelevant to its selection or non-selection as a training route. In this respect there is little to choose (at least as far as I can see) between AMS and CDG although the former has the advantage of 8 daily BA flights giving greater flexibility than the 7 CDG daily flights in terems of selecting the timings. But to me a truly short haul destination is why CDG followed by AMS would be MY favourites for BA training flights.

Also remember that after the inaugural BA 777A flight by G-ZZZC (LHR-DXB-MCT-DXB-LHR) on 17 Nov 1995 that and the next two 777As delivered were dedicated to operating that route, LHR-CAI and, for training purposes, LHR-CDG until the end of the Winter 1995-96 Schedule. Since then the 772 has not been scheduled to operate to CDG for BA. So if the past is any guide to the future . . .
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:49 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 34):
BA could might operate only one 380 training flight a day, perhaps between a fully commercial rotation to JFK or BOS, depending upon the growing need for fully trained crews over a given time period. Indeed there are many such optionns. But if BA were to operate LHR-MAD instread of LHR-CDG it would achieve nothing more but for three times the flying cost and three times the trainers' time for virtually no incremental training / knowedge gain.

I'm not sure it would be three times as long, not only because it could make up time during cruise but also because there is quite a bit of holding, ground delays and taxiing going on at CDG which doesn't happen as much at MAD. They could also make more money and probably get better slots on the route and expose their product to their one-world customer base.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 34):
But to me a truly short haul destination is why CDG followed by AMS would be MY favourites for BA training flights.

And you may very well be right in your suspicion. It's just not something I would do, given the information I am currently presented with. Or maybe, we'll both be proven wrong and the training runs will take place on LHR-MAN-LHR   Either way, I look forward to it with my credit card standing by  
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:44 pm

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 31):
Looks like BA might be ready to announce their configuration shortly. If you go to their fleet facts page for a specific aircraft:

That has been there for over a year, so not necessarily immenent
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:09 pm

Quoting BY738 (Reply 36):
That has been there for over a year, so not necessarily immenent

Urghh - anti-climax. No big deal then.
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:15 pm

I was told a couple of weeks back BA will be doing LHR-BCN rotations with A320 sized pax loads to begin with.

Layout to be confirmed but likely to be -

Main deck - Front section 10-14 First Class
Main deck - Mid section 40 ish Club Class
Main deck - Aft section roughly 200 Economy (WT)

Upper deck - Forward half - 50 or so Club class
Upper deck - Aft section 50 Econ+ (WT+) and 100 Econ (WT)

Gives a total of approx 450 - 470 pax. No fancy bars or showers.
 
jacobin777
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:26 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
- Hong Kong (HKG)
- Cape Town (CPT)
- Los Angeles (LAX)

I had a nice long conversation with someone way up the BA ladder (Executive position at IAG) a while back. HKG and LAX were definitely the two routes mentioned.   
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Cubsrule
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:27 pm

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 5):
JFK may be an initial route because it's a shorter route and there's plenty of backup capacity if things go wrong, but frequency really does matter on this route.

True, but JFK (and DXB and, to a degree, ORD and YYZ) have an advantage as some of the shorter longhaul routes in the network. If the flights to JNB, LAX, HKG, etc. get scheduled and there's 3/4 of an airplane or a whole airplane left over, it probably gets stuck on JFK/DXB/ORD/YYZ.

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 20):
Not going to get into this argument about possible 380 routes, but one aircraft can easily do LHR-DXB-LHR on one day.

Indeed. JFK-LHR and DXB-LHR are virtually the same distance (DXB-LHR is actually 25 nm or so shorter).
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StanleyJ
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:32 pm

Quoting something (Reply 32):
On the right side of the aircraft graphic is a scale list of all their aircraft, the second from top doesn't have a page yet....and looks roughly like an A380

*whistles nonchalently*

http://www.britishairways.com/cms/global/assets/images/global/aircraft/Fleet/ZOOM_AIRBUS_380_800.jpg
 
speedmarque
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:39 pm

Quoting StanleyJ (Reply 41):

Yes, this is all AlanUKs work. And very good it is too.
 
sam1987
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:48 pm

Quoting Babybus (Reply 17):
Seems a bit copycat to do Paris like Air France did. Why not do AMS or MAD?
Quoting VV701 (Reply 30):
Why train crew on a route where for more than half the flight time the crew are learning little if anything new?

LHR-MAD is far more likely for crew training - linking the two IAG hubs makes the most sense.

I would guess HKG, SIN and JNB will be the long haul destinations to be served first.
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speedmarque
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:56 pm

It's common knowledge across the whole airline which routes are going to the new aircraft. So pilots know what they are bidding for initially if they apply for transfers to the new types they have been told:

A380- LAX,JNB.HKG

B787- ACC

This is fact as of now so we can stop the guesswork. The A380 is going very senior as a result and pilots far down the list are achieving 787 as ACC is not considered 'desirable'.

This will change when more aircraft and routes come along to the new fleets.

[Edited 2011-12-10 12:59:57]
 
Viscount724
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:58 pm

Quoting steve6666 (Reply 19):
Throw one out from leftfield - GRU?

While GRU has (I believe) recently been approved for A380 operations, I think the problem is the lack of alternate airports capable of handling the A380 in the event of a diversion. According to a thread a couple of months ago, neither GIG nor VCP were A380-approved.
 
speedmarque
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:02 pm

Quoting 767eng (Reply 38):
Main deck - Front section 10-14 First Class
Main deck - Mid section 40 ish Club Class
Main deck - Aft section roughly 200 Economy (WT)

Upper deck - Forward half - 50 or so Club class
Upper deck - Aft section 50 Econ+ (WT+) and 100 Econ (WT)

This is accurate. Customers do not like the large 'dormitory' Club World cabins found on the 777s so the decision was made to split Club across both decks.
 
by738
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:44 pm

First would have been nice at the front of upper deck. Would get the benefits enjoyed currently by First in nose of 747. Perhaps too narrow.
 
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:36 pm

It's funny what different people in different sources say. On my ARN-LHR flight the CSD told me it would be LAX, HKG and CPT with CDG for crew training.

All I can say is that we won't know for sure until the official announcement is made!
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something
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RE: BA A380 - Likely New Routes

Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:45 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 45):
While GRU has (I believe) recently been approved for A380 operations, I think the problem is the lack of alternate airports capable of handling the A380 in the event of a diversion. According to a thread a couple of months ago, neither GIG nor VCP were A380-approved.

A problem not to be underestimated. A friend of mine flew FRA-EZE recently and said his bag arrived three days after him. Apparently MVD, the alternate for EZE, had been closed for widebodies and LH had to leave about a 100 bags behind to carry more contingency fuel. ''External circumstances'' like that would make an A380 operation into GRU highly unprofitable and honestly, unless another airport that isn't right next to GRU, like GIG for example, has been made A380 ready I doubt we'll see scheduled A380s there.

Quoting StanleyJ (Reply 41):

The BA A380 will be the first A380 I am not in the least excited about. It looks ridiculously ugly, I don't expect the onboard product to be any different from that on the 77Ws and the destinations it will be used on all receive various A380s as it is already. I hope but doubt they will do something like Lufthansa to give their bird some market exposure, and fly within the UK and Europe and sell cheap tickets for these flights. If they don't, it'll end up being just another plane in their fleet.

Too bad really. Now all my hope is on VS.
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