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Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:07 am

Link to 23/11: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream (by kaitak Nov 21 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Good morning folks and welcome to our 24th and last thread of 2011. It's been an interesting year, dominated of course by economics and the ever present spectre of recession, depression and more recently, the very future of the euro.

Despite those spectres, it has not been a bad year; the two or three years of traffic declines seem to have been reversed and on top of that, we are seeing some good news in the shape of new routes and new carriers, most significantly Emirates, but also Aeroflot, and some new routes by existing carriers, such as DUB-IAD by United. Both our airlines are still doing well and surviving in very challenging market conditions - conditions which are not likely to get any easier very soon.

Given the news from Brussels and the harsh budget, it is likely that 2012 will be another difficult year and whether recent increases in traffic can be sustained remains to be seen.

Can I end my last intro of the year by thanking all of you for the splendid and fascinating contributions you've made to these Irish threads and of course, to wish you and yours the very best for Christmas and a very happy and successful 2012!
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:40 am

Your up early Kaitak ! Im up early and we are two
hours ahead here  

Nice thread title too and indeed I will be flying back
for Christmas next week .

The DAA has done well this year in attracting new routes/
Airlines. Fingers crossed for more in 2012. Id like to see
LOT come back personally .
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:11 pm

Perhaps it is not new to others, but the Ryanair website has an apparently new feature (to me anyhow, not a big FR user), requiring entry of recognised characters from a prompt, before access is allowed to booking pages.

Intended to prevent automated data mining, it also makes checking a number of possible flights for the same period more of a chore.
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:13 pm

Indeed since I've been away DUB has attracted quite a few nice new carriers! Would be amazing in 2012 if we could see BA back on LHR-DUB its a long shot but would be great! Id be so proud being able to work a BA flight into DUB!
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:22 pm

Etihad to use it's 787's on the AUH-DUB route.

"Etihad said the fuel-efficient Dreamliner will initially be used on routes to Dublin, Frankfurt, Kuala Lumpur, Beijing and Nagoya, Delhi and Istanbul."

Full story here:
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/etiha...rator-after-2-8bn-deal-434733.html
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:26 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 3):
Intended to prevent automated data mining, it also makes checking a number of possible flights for the same period more of a chore.

Seems that using FR is becoming less and less user friendly, with a nightmare booking engine that makes finding low fares tricker than it should, as fees can vary according to fare, with no apparent logic, there are stiff financial penalties for breaking "The Rules" (although Im happy to play the game) and of course the usual FR boarding scrum, bus-like experience we have all come to know and love over the past decade. I can't believe in 2011 that FR don't have a mobile optimised site, Im all for cheap, but the experience does not have to be this difficult! Is there a danger that FR may be reaching a point where very many people just can't be bothered to play the FR game, or do people just assume that the price FR quote is the cheapest on any give route, regardless of extra charges?
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:31 pm

From 28th October 2012, EK will upgrade the Dublin route to a 3-class A340.
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:02 pm

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 7):
From 28th October 2012, EK will upgrade the Dublin route to a 3-class A340.


Fantastic! They must be getting strong demand for future bookings
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:05 pm

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 7):
From 28th October 2012, EK will upgrade the Dublin route to a 3-class A340.

Indeed, it's already in the GDS. Great news - finally a break from the A330 monotony....   And a capacity increase to boot which is fantastic so soon.

And DUB's first semi-confirmed 787 route.... even better!
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:12 pm

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 7):
From 28th October 2012, EK will upgrade the Dublin route to a 3-class A340.

Darn! Why does everyone else get 340s and we never do?!

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Aeroflot

Has SU into DUB been confirmed? Hopefully they're coming to MAN too.
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:29 pm

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 10):
Darn! Why does everyone else get 340s and we never do?!

We'll gladly have your A380 if you'd like to swap!  
Quoting mainMAN (Reply 10):
Has SU into DUB been confirmed? Hopefully they're coming to MAN too.

It's not bookable yet, but apparently it is as good as a done deal.
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:40 pm

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 7):

From 28th October 2012, EK will upgrade the Dublin route to a 3-class A340.

A340-300? Or A340-500? Hopefully the latter, but I'm sure the 300 is a lot more economical for the DUB route.
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:04 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 12):
A340-300? Or A340-500? Hopefully the latter, but I'm sure the 300 is a lot more economical for the DUB route.

Its the A340-300   Still very welcome to DUB!
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:12 pm

Would the A340-500 not be severly restricted in DUB, plus too much first class capacity?

Kevin
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:15 pm

Ryanair in talks with the Irish gov to bring an extra 100000 pax into ORK. http://www.thecorknews.ie/articles/r...increase-traffic-cork-airport-3368
EI FR RE EIR IWD MA FUA
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:26 pm

Quoting Ire2008 (Reply 13):

Would the A340-500 not be severly restricted in DUB

Well from what Ive heard about the A343 is that it doesn't like short runways, and has a very slow climb rate, so maybe they're similar in that sense?
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:42 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 15):
Well from what Ive heard about the A343 is that it doesn't like short runways, and has a very slow climb rate, so maybe they're similar in that sense?

Won't be a problem. AF gets an A340 out of SXM with its 2100m runway all the way to CDG!
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:23 pm

Are EK 2-3-2 in business on the A332 and a343. If so, this is similar width to AF premium economy?
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:25 pm

Quoting Ire2008 (Reply 13):
Would the A340-500 not be severly restricted in DUB, plus too much first class capacity?

Kevin

Don't worry, it only needs about 1/3rd of it's available fuel load for a short flight like this. With a full passenger load it would be approx 100 tons under it's maximum take of weight.
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:28 pm

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 6):
From 28th October 2012, EK will upgrade the Dublin route to a 3-class A340.

Great news; it's a beautiful aircraft; I still remember when TP brought 340s into DUB, in the mid 1990s - one of the airline's first A340 routes.

The EK 343 will add an extra 30 seats in Y; F and J are the same.

Quoting Ire2008 (Reply 13):
Would the A340-500 not be severly restricted in DUB, plus too much first class capacity?

If the 343 has no problem, the 345 won't either; it has a lot more welly. The EK 345 has a much more luxurious kit than the 332 or 343; it was acquired for ULH flights to the US and Oz, but is no longer used there (much to my disappointment!!); it flies some pretty odd routes now, not really utilising its range; I think they go to CPT, CMN and one or two places in E Africa (which hardly stretches the 345 at all!) Would be a dream to see it in DUB; it's the best looking commercial aircraft out there, IMHO.

Good to hear about the EY 789 too! That'll be something to experience, although we probably won't see it until Summer 2015, so don't book the tickets anytime soon!
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:23 pm

A rare speck of good news on the Shannon front as well today. The second daily seasonal SNN-EWR rotation is being increased from 4 weekly to 5 weekly for Summer 2012. Flight UA66 will arrive at SNN at 09:15 and UA67 will depart at the slightly later time of 13:40 for a 15:55 arrival in Newark.
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:49 pm

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 6):
From 28th October 2012, EK will upgrade the Dublin route to a 3-class A340.

Will this be the first properly scheduled A340 service into DUB (i.e. non maintenance, non once off visit) ?

Great to see them making that kind of commitment so early on.
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:57 pm

Looking at the growth of EY and EK in DUB, I'm thinking back to when GF operated into DUB.

Although GF wasn't as impressive with its network of connections from BAH (I think it was to BAH from DUB), what were the loads like?
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:15 pm

GF flew the 340 to Dublin.
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:15 pm

Quoting EISHN (Reply 21):
Will this be the first properly scheduled A340 service into DUB

No, TP used to fly their A340's here back in the late 90's. I think it was a weekly flight to FAO, was definetly a saturday evening flight one summer season.
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:25 pm

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 6):
From 28th October 2012, EK will upgrade the Dublin route to a 3-class A340.
Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 4):

Etihad to use it's 787's on the AUH-DUB route.

"Etihad said the fuel-efficient Dreamliner will initially be used on routes to Dublin, Frankfurt, Kuala Lumpur, Beijing and Nagoya, Delhi and Istanbul."

Yay, so exciting!! I can't wait! Great to see DUB getting there east wise.
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:42 pm

I saw on another site that EK is due to be retiring its A340-300s from February 2013, so it'll be a short lived operation by this type; next step up, capacity wise, is the 77L (which has fewer seats than the -200ER); the A345 actually has a slightly smaller number of seats than the 343, so it wouldn't surprise me if they sent a 345, if only for a short time. It's very hard to predict, because they do use the 345 and 77L on shorter flights; GVA gets the 77L at the moment, for example, about the only "short" 77L flight, apart from a daily service to DEL.

Personally, I'd rather they had a double daily with smaller capacity aircraft, rather than one 77W flight.
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:35 pm

Quoting eicvd (Reply 24):
No, TP used to fly their A340's here back in the late 90's. I think it was a weekly flight to FAO, was definetly a saturday evening flight one summer season.

Indeed my first ever flight was on a TP A343 DUB-FAO in June 1996. Can't wait to see an EK 340 in DUB!
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:36 pm

Quoting eicvd (Reply 24):

Quoting EISHN (Reply 21):
Will this be the first properly scheduled A340 service into DUB

No, TP used to fly their A340's here back in the late 90's. I think it was a weekly flight to FAO, was definetly a saturday evening flight one summer season.


Operated DUB-LIS-FAO
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:20 am

Just heard that EI have been awarded the contract from Emirates to provide catering for the DXB flights. This is a welcome boost for EI catering department.
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:58 am

Quoting ein105 (Reply 28):
DUB-LIS-FAO

From memory it was DUB - FAO - LIS

I was in the airport when the A340 was replaced by an aircraft by Air Mozambique - L10-11 from memory - The passnegers revolted, and refused to fly - it took the TP Airport Duty Manager to tell everyone that the aircraft was on loan from TAP to Air Mozambique.
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:15 am

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 30):
I was in the airport when the A340 was replaced by an aircraft by Air Mozambique - L10-11 from memory - The passnegers revolted, and refused to fly - it took the TP Airport Duty Manager to tell everyone that the aircraft was on loan from TAP to Air Mozambique.

Clearly not a.netters. Most would have relished that opportunity.
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:33 am

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 30):
I was in the airport when the A340 was replaced by an aircraft by Air Mozambique - L10-11 from memory - The passnegers revolted, and refused to fly - it took the TP Airport Duty Manager to tell everyone that the aircraft was on loan from TAP to Air Mozambique.

Brilliant anecdote!!

Sounds like my first thought when I found out my first package holiday was on Spanair! (I wasn't that into aviation at that time so had never heard of them)
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:51 am

According to [email protected] in Ryanair Announces 49th Base - Palma (by [email protected] Dec 13 2011 in Civil Aviation) FR will be operating flights from PMI to ORK. A bit of good news for ORK and further competition for EI. Interesting to see how this pans out.
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:14 pm

http://www.aerlingus.com/media/aerlinguscom/content/images/travelinformation/selectdates_new.jpg
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:57 pm

Well it's about time Aer Lingus displayed the full fare in the calendar, I know it displayed it on the same page beneath the calendar but not showing the full price until the summary box was always asking for trouble.

The new fare between Low and Flex has launched as well, Plus Fare gets you one free checked bag, free seat selection and Gold Circle points. I've only checked DUB-LHR so I'm not sure if it's across the network yet.
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:11 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 35):
Well it's about time Aer Lingus displayed the full fare in the calendar

It's a bit of an improvement I suppose...they still don't include the "handling fee" though.
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:15 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 36):
It's a bit of an improvement I suppose...they still don't include the "handling fee" though.

Well, I suspect the "part of the fare that we try to call something else in order to justify it" fee will be on the way out anyway if the EU get's it's way!
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:23 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 36):

I'd much rather see the handling fee gone! It was very sneaky of Aer Lingus to increase it to £/€6 each way and there wasn't much noise made about it either once it had happened but I suppose it is still officially an avoidable fee so EI can continue to exclude it until the nearer the end of the booking.
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:59 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 36):
It's a bit of an improvement I suppose...they still don't include the "handling fee" though.

The Plus fare adds £16 quid on MAN-ORK, each way, it seems to be a flat fee on-top of whatever the base fare is. This is quite good value, if you are thinking of booking a bag anyway, which is £12 on-line, seat selection is a few quid more.
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:19 pm

So 'Plus Fare' is moving back to traditional 'all in' ticket prices?

Quoting OA260 (Reply 41):
EK really are throwing everthing at
this new launch !

I have to feel for EY, they have been very good to DUB and now EK are swooping in to poach as many pax as they can. While it is very good for DUB pax re choice and price.

[Edited 2011-12-13 10:19:48]
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:21 pm

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 9):

Yes it's confirmed .

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 16):

Arr yes an amazing place was there last week  

Great to see the B787 will come to DUB. That will be on my list.
Also will be nice to see A340's at DUB.

EK had a big media event at the Shelbourne today to promote the
New route tonight they have booked out the convention centre to
host tour operators and agents. EK really are throwing everthing at
this new launch !
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:22 pm

A new ‘route development fund’ to attract new business to Shannon airport has been proposed by Shannon Development.
According to Shannon Development chief executive Dr Vincent Cunnane, the authority is “advanced” in discussions with public and private sector interests in the Shannon Region to establish the fund.

The fund will target an additional 600,000 tourist visits to the Shannon region in its first year
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:54 pm

Sad, Looks like the end for Weston in it's current form, liquidator selling everything fom the VOR to the taxiway signage!

http://www.mckays.ie/category/weston/

Would it not be of more value to seek a buyer for a fully functioning aerodrome. It must have some value given its the capitals only business/GA alternative to DUB, well positioned in terms of national infrastructure.
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:12 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 10):
We'll gladly have your A380 if you'd like to swap!

You're welcome, novelty's worn off and by all accounts it's buggering up normal airfield ops!
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:32 pm

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 43):
Would it not be of more value to seek a buyer for a fully functioning aerodrome. It must have some value given its the capitals only business/GA alternative to DUB, well positioned in terms of national infrastructure.

Perhaps - but what would be immediately more liquid? Buying the full aerodrome certainly wouldn't provide a guarantee of free cash flow for any prospective investor.

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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:02 pm

I took my first flying lesson from Weston.

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 43):
Would it not be of more value to seek a buyer for a fully functioning aerodrome.

I can only assume that there is less value in Weston aerodrome as a going concern.

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 43):
national infrastructure

I cannot see how Weston adds to the national infrastructure.
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:43 am

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 46):
I can only assume that there is less value in Weston aerodrome as a going concern.

And I guess that's the point of the exercise (liquidation). The flightpath/planning restrictions would limit the longterm potential of that site also.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 46):
I cannot see how Weston adds to the national infrastructure.

I meant it has a good location close to major infrastructure (on the West of the capital, near the convergence of several major national road / rail routes).
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:53 am

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 40):
I have to feel for EY, they have been very good to DUB and now EK are swooping in to poach as many pax as they can.

True but EY did get too comfortable on the route and did take advantage of that.

----

Emirates ready for January take-off in Dublin

IRELAND’S ONLY route between Dublin and Dubai is to commence on January 9th when Emirates beings a daily service to the UAE city. Emirates’ executive vice-president Thierry Antinori said at a reception in Dublin yesterday to officially announce the route that bookings were going “very strongly.”

Some 60 to 70 per cent of passengers on the route will travel on to destinations such as Australia, Hong Kong and India.

The service will also carry 15 tonnes of cargo space, which will transport exports to the Middle East.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2011/1214/1224309045284.html

Interesting they mention the lounge. My guess is EI GC Lounge.
 
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RE: Irish 24/11: Flying Home For Christmas!

Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:05 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 48):
Interesting they mention the lounge. My guess is EI GC Lounge.

It's the only one that seems suitable enough, the EY lounge is obviously out of the question and the DAA lounge is rubbish. Until EK see fit to have their own lounge, the EI lounge is large enough and of a decent enough quality.

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