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Air NZ All Black 77W

Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:30 pm

According to hangar.no, NZ will paint a 77W due for delivery from Boeing in January in the All Blacks scheme...
link here, sorry norwegian only: http://www.hangar.no/?p=1246

That's gonna be one good lookin' kiwi!


Can't wait to see it live.


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Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:21 pm

 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:40 pm

Yeah, yeah we know that they won the Rugby world cup enough already!  
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:28 am

Great! Fantastic idea! I loved the A320 they painted in All Black scheme! Looks great! And a big plane like the 777 will look impressive in black!
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:07 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 2):
Yeah, yeah we know that they won the Rugby world cup enough already!

I wouldn't complain BoeingVista, you guys at least made it out of the pool stage!  


I think the 777 will look great. I just hope they don't take too much "artistic liberty" and keep to the description from the article!
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:24 am

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 4):
I think the 777 will look great. I just hope they don't take too much "artistic liberty" and keep to the description from the article!

Look up ZK-OJR and ZK-OAB. It will be identical to that on a larger aircraft...
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:27 am

I guess they're taking a cue from the Rolling Stones: "Paint It Black!".

We can be sure someone will take some promo material from ANZ and set it to the Stones tune and put it up on YouTube.
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:32 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 5):
Look up ZK-OJR and ZK-OAB. It will be identical to that on a larger aircraft...

Thanks for the lead aerorobnz. I think that exact livery would look much nicer on the larger canvas!
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:35 am

If it's anything like the A320.. It will be the best looking plane in the skies.
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:50 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 5):
Look up ZK-OJR and ZK-OAB. It will be identical to that on a larger aircraft...

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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:49 am

Will it be the same paint job for the 3 Beech 1900D's as well?
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:57 am

It's going to be gorgeous if it's painted in the same livery as that A320. It will presumably be ZK-OKQ, due for delivery in Feb.
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:30 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 2):
Yeah, yeah we know that they won the Rugby world cup enough already!

And the test match? It would be cool if the Black Caps were flown back from Hobart with ZK-OAB as a charter!
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:35 am

The FS2004 version exists already  

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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:52 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 11):

Apparently it's going on ZK-OKN IIRC and will be ready in February, rather than OKP, which is due in January.
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:51 am

It's due out of the paint shop at PAE on the 15th. In all, it'll have spent nine days in paint. Won't be airborn until after the New Year though.
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:13 am

Wow....that's going to be a very photographed aircraft!
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:29 am

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 16):
Wow....that's going to be a very photographed aircraft!

Most photographed after VH-OEJ  

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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:48 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 14):

Apparently it's going on ZK-OKN IIRC and will be ready in February, rather than OKP, which is due in January.

Minor correction: OKP has already been delivered, photographed it last week at LAX.
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:55 am

I really like the way ANZ is going ahead. What a nice small airline with great marketing, great staff morale AND they are profitable!

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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:07 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 14):


Quoting kaitak (Reply 11):

Apparently it's going on ZK-OKN IIRC and will be ready in February, rather than OKP, which is due in January.


OKP has already been delivered. OKN is not being repainted. OKQ is having the black livery applied at Boeing, with aircraft arriving in AKL mid Jan.

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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:26 am

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 20):

Right, thanks for clearing that up. Misled by an unreliable source..  
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:53 pm

I trust NZ won't be flying this 777 to Dubai or Phoenix during the summer months . . . .!
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:23 pm

Wasn't this ol' news? I think I knew this from mid year. (Or maybe a De-Ja-Vu?)
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:24 pm

Might just delay my trip to London untill the end of January or early February to get a chance to view this beauty!
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:54 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 20):
OKP has already been delivered. OKN is not being repainted. OKQ is having the black livery applied at Boeing, with aircraft arriving in AKL mid Jan.

OKP has been delivered:
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:18 pm

Quoting eicvd (Reply 24):
Might just delay my trip to London untill the end of January or early February to get a chance to view this beauty!

Odds are 1 in 5. Actually pretty good chance of seeing it really. Especially over a 3 day spotters weekend.
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:31 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 22):
I trust NZ won't be flying this 777 to Dubai or Phoenix during the summer months . . . .!

Agreed!

We all know that black paint + sun = extreme heat, which is probably why there are very few aircraft both commercial and private painted black, but how will this black color scheme actually affect the city routings? Its not like it can be parked in a garage or the shade like a black car...
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:00 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 26):
Odds are 1 in 5. Actually pretty good chance of seeing it really. Especially over a 3 day spotters weekend.

I'll only be around for the day, was going to go early to mid Jan but since this a/c wont be in service by then i'll go a few weeks later. It wont bother me if I don't see it anyway, 90% of LHR traffic is exotic when DUB is your local airport  
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:21 am

It will be a shame if the London Flights get the chop, U won't see this aircraft in UK Airspace. the closes your get to see it is at LAX or SFO, this would be a great thing to celebrate flying 30 years to the UK.
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:24 am

I took the Boeing tour while I was on vacation in Seattle a couple of weeks ago, and that plane was on the floor, just about ready to go. The guide made note of the paint it would receive--the black rudder was such a tease! At least I'll know of one plane I've seen with my own eyes before it entered service...
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:12 am

Should adopt it as their colourscheme, While I like the tail of the current livery the rest of the plane is so bland. All black livery like that would be so badass.
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:23 pm

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 15):
It's due out of the paint shop at PAE on the 15th. In all, it'll have spent nine days in paint. Won't be airborn until after the New Year though

Huh. I'm in Everett right now and don't see a black 777.
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:39 pm

Quoting mattcawby (Reply 32):
Huh. I'm in Everett right now and don't see a black 777.

Haha. Me too. Literally just pulled into the FoF lot to catch a glimpse of this bird before some holiday shopping. But looks like she's shy.  

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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:14 pm

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 27):
We all know that black paint + sun = extreme heat, which is probably why there are very few aircraft both commercial and private painted black, but how will this black color scheme actually affect the city routings?

I'm not so sure this will be a factor where NZ operate this a/c. After all ZK-OAB has been in service for some time now and has already been out on the sun in 30deg + heat here in NZ. Summers here can get as hot as LA or HKG. It's not as if NZ operate into DXB or PHX for example.
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:28 pm

Quoting mattcawby (Reply 32):
Huh. I'm in Everett right now and don't see a black 777.

Probably will go to portland to be painted like the other 77Ws.
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:38 pm

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 27):
We all know that black paint + sun = extreme heat, which is probably why there are very few aircraft both commercial and private painted black

Does the temperature inside the aircraft depend on the colour of the fuselage? Sure, any airplane will be warmer in PHX in July than in ANC in January. But would a black plane sitting next to white plane be any less comfortable inside? We all understand dark colours absorb more solar radiation, but does it make an appreciable difference as with clothing?
And what about the direct sunlight all aircraft are exposed to at altitude? Yes, it's -50C up in the flight levels, but it's still warm behind glass. So maybe outside air temp is a minor issue.
I would suggest few aircraft are painted dark colours due to reasons other than heat.

Clearly, I am betraying my ignorance of thermodynamics here, and grasping for some learned assistance...
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:31 pm

Quoting threepoint (Reply 36):

Does the temperature inside the aircraft depend on the colour of the fuselage?

Oh yes, absolutely.

Even in moderate zones (like France) in the summer a white aircraft with no ventilation/air conditioning can heat up to a cozy 50 degrees C inside by midday... you have a lot of reverberation on an airport apron too! I've worked MX on some dark blue Falcon 20 aircraft, and it got a lot hotter in there than a light-coloured one...
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:24 am

Is it me or should NZ consider their special All Black Livery to be their standard livery. Much better than their Non Pacific wave effort.
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:36 am

Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 38):
Is it me or should NZ consider their special All Black Livery to be their standard livery. Much better than their Non Pacific wave effort.

No, it's just you  . Seriously, IMNSHO* it is ok as a one off ( or in this case a 'six off') but it would be a bit grim as the standard scheme. I also really don't care for the way they have squeezed in the koru as a sort of afterthought. Bring back the Pacific Wave ( even if it was apparently a maintenance nightmare)

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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:40 am

All black would be a bit too much but I wish the standard livery would incorporate the fern design, it looks fantastic especially compared to NZ's rather boring current livery.
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:43 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 39):
Bring back the Pacific Wave ( even if it was apparently a maintenance nightmare)

So is the "maintenance nightmare" the reason why the Pacific Wave was phased out?? I always wondered - I thought the PW was fantastic, and would've really enhanced the 77W, which is nothing but a long white tube (with 10 abreast inside  )
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:57 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 41):
So is the "maintenance nightmare" the reason why the Pacific Wave was phased out??

That is what I heard, but one hears many things in this industry, whether the truth is amongst them is not always clear.
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:41 am

NZ have just posted a Facebook tease photo, saying its getting its last checks before being rolled out tonight (NZ time)
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:45 am

Quoting chuchoteur (Reply 37):
Even in moderate zones (like France) in the summer a white aircraft with no ventilation/air conditioning can heat up to a cozy 50 degrees C inside by midday

Yes, thank you, that's not the question. The question is whether that white aircraft would heat up as much as a black aircraft sitting right beside it. We all know interiors of airplanes, vehicles, buildings etc are warmer in the summer than in the winter.
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:07 am

On their Facebook page:

"Air NZ engineer Duncan Mairs’ final paint check (nose wheel cover in pic) of our new All Black Boeing 777-300 (ZK-OKQ) ahead of its reveal tonight in Seattle. Pics and Video tomorrow!"

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 39):
Bring back the Pacific Wave ( even if it was apparently a maintenance nightmare)

Is the pacific wave just a little swoop on the front of the fuselage? How can that little thing be a nightmare?

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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:27 am

Quoting ghifty (Reply 45):

Is the pacific wave just a little swoop on the front of the fuselage? How can that little thing be a nightmare?

Ran over the forward cargo door!
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:40 am

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 19):
they are profitable!

Aside from losing NZ$1 mil a week on their long haul ops?

Quoting threepoint (Reply 44):
The question is whether that white aircraft would heat up as much as a black aircraft sitting right beside it.

The black plane would heat up more. The idea is that the white paint reflects the heat away from the aircraft while the black paint absorbs it. Try it yourself -- wear all white one day, then all black the next in similar weather. It's why cricket players, tennis players, golf players etc all traditionally wear white.
 
 
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RE: Air NZ All Black 77W

Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:40 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 47):
Try it yourself -- wear all white one day, then all black the next in similar weather.

Do insulated metal surfaces behave the same way as garments? I am not unaware of the concept behind light-coloured apparel:

Quoting threepoint (Reply 36):
We all understand dark colours absorb more solar radiation, but does it make an appreciable difference as with clothing?

The thing is, my question is about airplanes.

With the aircraft a/c packs running at the gate in all but the most spartan of airports, is the internal cabin temperature (on the ground or aloft) the primary reason most planes are painted white? I will consider the question left unanswered.
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