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Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:24 pm

The big year end orders are lining up at Boeing. No word on which 737 models are being ordered, but I would be surprise to see more of the -800s and the 737-8MAX. Still waiting for the FedEx 767 order announcement though.



http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Boeing...s-First-prnews-2802703570.html?x=0
 
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Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:28 pm

Congrats to Boeing - this year ends to be the best selling year in aviation history I'm sure, thanks to JL who fought through the NEO and designed the MAX as a christmas gift for Boeing...
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:42 pm

Congratulations to both Southwest and Boeing!    Nice to see that they continue the tradition of being 737 launch customer.

Here is a newsrelease from Boeing: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2072

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DALLAS, Dec. 13, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Southwest Airlines today announced a firm order for 150 fuel-efficient 737 MAX airplanes. Southwest is the first customer to finalize an order for the 737 MAX and becomes the launch customer for the new-engine variant. The Dallas-based carrier also ordered 58 Next-Generation 737s.

The firm order is the largest in Boeing history both in dollar value, nearly $19 billion at list prices, and the number of airplanes. It supports Southwest's initiative to modernize its all-Boeing fleet, the world's largest fleet of 737s. As the 737 MAX launch customer, Southwest will take delivery of the first airplane when it enters service in 2017.

"Southwest is a special Boeing customer and has been a true partner in the evolution of the 737," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Jim Albaugh. "Throughout our 40-year relationship, our two companies have collaborated to launch the 737-300, 737-500 and the Next-Generation 737-700 – affirming the 737 as the world's preferred single-aisle airplane. As launch customer for the 737 MAX, Southwest, Boeing and the 737 continue that legacy."


Picture from news release. Interesting that the 737-8MAX is the chosen picture for the release  
Quoting Burkhard (Reply 1):
through the NEO and designed the MAX as a christmas gift for Boeing...

Ouch... Dark sense of humor  
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:44 pm

So good that Boeing can start talking about orders for the MAX. The tangible fruits of their labour.

Can they get 500 of the 800 commitments onto their books by year end?
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:44 pm

Worst kept secret in aviation ...  
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:45 pm

Boring, Couldnt they order Ilyushin 76 and AN124's to keep the sky interesting. 
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:48 pm

Launch customer and first firm order. 208 frames making it the third time since Dubai that Boeing Commercial have logged their largest dollar value order at list prices.

MAX orders and commitments are now over 900 from 13 customers. Overall for the year total orders and commitments for both OEM's are close to outpacing 2007.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:51 pm

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 1):
Congrats to Boeing


These are indeed in place.   Good for Boeing and Southwest.

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 1):
this year ends to be the best selling year in aviation history I'm sure, thanks to JL who fought through the NEO and designed the MAX as a Christmas gift for Boeing...


Well, JL predicted long before the MAX was released that Boeing would also re-engine their best selling airliner. He has been right on this from the beginning.  .

Quoting SeeTheWorld (Reply 4):
Worst kept secret in aviation


Still, to be able to book an order, the ordered needs to be finalised first. They apparently have done so.

The question is: are these planes part of the 800 commitments? I would guess so since this seems to be the most progressed order for the MAX of all.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:09 pm

Quoting oykie (Reply 2):
firm order for 150 fuel-efficient 737 MAX airplanes.
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 6):
Launch customer and first firm order.


Makes me wonder if WN insisted on being the launch customer, so Boeing held off on firming the other orders?

In the Boeing announcement, Albaugh certainly hints that WN would get such preferential treatment:

Quote:

"Southwest is a special Boeing customer and has been a true partner in the evolution of the 737," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Jim Albaugh . "Throughout our 40-year relationship, our two companies have collaborated to launch the 737-300, 737-500 and the Next-Generation 737-700 – affirming the 737 as the world's preferred single-aisle airplane. As launch customer for the 737 MAX, Southwest, Boeing and the 737 continue that legacy."


Gary Kelly said:

Quote:

"We are teaming up with our friends from Boeing to lead the industry in a way that makes both our shareholders and our Customers proud to associate with Southwest Airlines.


Ahh, feel the love!

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 6):
MAX orders and commitments are now over 900 from 13 customers.


Catching up to the "other guys"...

[Edited 2011-12-13 05:16:12]
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:10 pm

Oh my god what a shock, never saw this coming, Southwest are really unpredictable Shock horror !!!!!
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:14 pm

Hardly a surprise but I am a bit surprised at a firm order. Last update from Boeing was the performance specs hadn't been finalized. WN probably got an amazing price and contract deal to cover for any float in the final spec. Looking forward to flying these birds. I wonder when the NGs will be delivered.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:25 pm

Well nice to know the plane is officially launched and ordered. That's one more debating point put to rest.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:26 pm

I think WN probably designed the 737MAX anyway, they must know everything about 737's.

Keep em rolling in!!
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:28 pm

Quoting BD338 (Reply 10):
Hardly a surprise but I am a bit surprised at a firm order. Last update from Boeing was the performance specs hadn't been finalized.

I'm not sure that was said.

I do know they said they have not firmed the final configuration so they aren't 100% sure how they will get the performance they commit to.

As was pointed out by others in another thread, ANA and JAL ordered 50 787s when it still had the shark tail, so clearly orders happen long before final configuration is determined.

And we've seen Airbus change the A350-1000 change performance since securing launch orders (increasing thrust and range, but adding weight in the process), so that too can happen.

Quoting BD338 (Reply 10):
WN probably got an amazing price and contract deal to cover for any float in the final spec.

Who knows? Launch discounts are customary, but it's not customary to have a queue of 900 orders waiting to firm up.

Maybe Boeing let WN be the launch customer so they could give it price breaks that it won't give others?

I can imagine that WN got a better deal than AA since WN's finances are strong whereas Boeing had to finance at least a part of the AA order.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:31 pm

Can anyone see any difference with how a normal NG 737-800(w) would look compared to the Max? I would expect the engines to be a bit bigger for instance, or are they?
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:43 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 7):
I would guess so since this seems to be the most progressed order for the MAX of all.

You would wouldn't you. MAX commitments and now orders are nearing NEO sales...

Congrats to Boeing and SW. Now on to Ryanair! They should be good for another 100 or so, maybe more.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:46 pm

New rumor with this announcement for such a large firm order Boeing is letting WN out of the 717 contracts early. Rumor is no 717s will ever see WN paint or crews working flights and timeline is all 717 should be gone by 2015 or 2017 at the latest. But rumor is the goal is to have them all gone when full FL integration complete. I guess we may hear full details at 9am central time. tick toc tick toc..it's like xmas for WN airline nerds..can't wait to hear all the new rumors this will spring up today..five legs back to base today should be fun to hear everyone take and new rumors with this info..hahaha and as always i'm just a worker bee and by far have no inside info any and all feed back good or bad always welcomed. enjoy wnfg  

[Edited 2011-12-13 06:00:59]
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:50 pm

Should be worth a nice Holiday bonus for the Boeing sales team on this one, although maybe not as lucrative as the team who snagged the Etihad 787/777 order.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:53 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 16):
five legs back to base today should be fun to hear everyone take and new rumors with this info..hahaha enjoy wnfg

I'm not in the aviation business, but I share your glee!

Please do keep us filled in on the gossip!
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:01 pm

That brings total order to 350 for 2012-2022.

http://www.streetinsider.com/Corpora...sts+737NG+Order+by+58/7014558.html

Southwest has placed a firm order for 150 Boeing 737 MAX airplanes, with the first delivery scheduled in 2017. The Company also expanded its current order book with Boeing for 58 additional 737NG aircraft. These new orders join an existing firm order book of 142, bringing Southwest's total firm orders with the Boeing Company to 350 for 2012 through 2022, which are intended to predominately serve as replacement aircraft as the airline continues the modernization of its fleet.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:14 pm

Congratulations to Boeing.
No surprises here, and Southwests fleet will remain a boring monotony.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:26 pm

Congrats to Boeing, Renton and Southwest. Fits them well
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:36 pm

Congrats to Southwest and Boeing! Fantastic news this Tuesday evening.

Will those 58 737NG be of the -800 or -700?
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:41 pm

Okay, so allow me to point out the potentially obvious. If these 737MAX start being delivered in 2017 and will likely be in production for several years after that, that would make the 737 frame one of the longest flying in commercial aviation history, correct? Assuming the MAX's stay in service for 20-25 years after their debut, the 737 family will have been in the air for approx. 80 years!?!
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:53 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 22):

The rumor buzz around WN is that they will all be 58 737-800 and 150 737-800max...the days of new 737-700 for WN are numbered. If WN gets any 700's from here on out I will be shocked. Rumor is next year 25 737-500 will be replaced, then 2013 to 2015 all the 88 717-200 and 2015 to 2017 the 737-300's are gone..in 10 min we should know more drum roll...hahahaha enjoy wnfg  

[Edited 2011-12-13 06:55:15]
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:02 pm

Quoting BD338 (Reply 10):
Last update from Boeing was the performance specs hadn't been finalized.

I had a chance to fly on two new 738s with the new "Sky Interior" last weekend -- AA 1107 with Weber seats (had seat 3B) and CO 1111 with B/E Aerospace seats (had seat 4E).

In my personal opinion, AA's new thin-line Weber seats are *mechanical wonders* but are *extremely* uncomfortable after three hours. CO's B/E seats with thicker cushions are (personally) a better choice for transcon (interesting that the plane I was on had computer power plugs but no WiFi or IFE) .

Just an observation -- the lav in front is now smaller and somewhat cramped due to wall curvature.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:10 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 16):
Rumor is no 717s will ever see WN paint or crews working flights and timeline is all 717 should be gone by 2015 or 2017 at the latest. But rumor is the goal is to have them all gone when full FL integration complete.

Sounds a bit long for "integration".
If WN truly doesn't want 717's, they'll find a quicker way out for them somehow. If they stay beyond 2013, you would think a WN paint job would be in order...

Congrats to Boeing and WN. Even though this plane has been re-invented/re-engineered many times over, it's still amazing that the basic design and appearance has remained "similar" since it was envisioned in 1964.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:10 pm

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 14):
Can anyone see any difference with how a normal NG 737-800(w) would look compared to the Max? I would expect the engines to be a bit bigger for instance, or are they?

They are, but the best way to tell a 737MAX from the 737NG is the tail cone, which will be 787 style.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 8):
Makes me wonder if WN insisted on being the launch customer, so Boeing held off on firming the other orders?

Not just WN, but I wouldn't be surprised if Boeing if themselves wanted WN as launch customer.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:23 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 24):
The rumor buzz around WN is that they will all be 58 737-800 and 150 737-800max...the days of new 737-700 for WN are numbered

Yeah, the 738 makes more sense.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:24 pm

Finally an firm order
  

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 15):
You would wouldn't you. MAX commitments and now orders are nearing NEO sales...

Ah .. that's so unfair.
  

But if you want it this way:

Firm orders: NEO 1196 - MAX 150
MOU: NEO 254 - MAX 900? (minus 150 ?!?)

Firm orders & commitments: NEO 1450 - MAX 1050? (plus 150 ?!?)

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 6):
MAX orders and commitments are now over 900 from 13 customers.

Do we know if Southwest firm orders was or was not apart of the mysterious dozen?
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:29 pm

Quoting ORDFan (Reply 23):
Assuming the MAX's stay in service for 20-25 years after their debut, the 737 family will have been in the air for approx. 80 years!?!

Sort of like the Air Force's continued use of the B-52! Those things are older than Model - Ts about now!
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:30 pm

Quoting Chiad (Reply 29):
Firm orders: NEO 1196 - MAX 150
MOU: NEO 254 - MAX 900? (minus 150 ?!?)

Firm orders & commitments: NEO 1450 - MAX 1050? (plus 150 ?!?)

Interesting, an order from UA and DL could ......could wipeout that deficit. No wander Leary per AVWeek article wanted to pad the NEO numbers quickly so the MAX would not gain momentum. Good times for both makers. The only manufacturer bummed by this news is Bombardier.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:37 pm

Quoting Chiad (Reply 29):
Do we know if Southwest firm orders was or was not apart of the mysterious dozen?

Was not. According to Randy's "100 Days of MAX" blog last week, it was 12 customers with close to 800 commitments. Now it's 13 for over 900 (my guess is it went from ~775 to ~925.


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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:40 pm

Quoting planespotting (Reply 17):
Rumor is no 717s will ever see WN paint or crews working flights and timeline is all 717 should be gone by 2015 or 2017 at the latest. But rumor is the goal is to have them all gone when full FL integration complete.

  
717 pilots have been offered the join SWA in the right seat and to have their type rating paid for in the 737. The 717s at this point wont' see WN paint rather a WN sticker across where "Airtran" is....I was looking forward to flying on a WN 717!
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:45 pm

Quoting peanuts (Reply 26):

From a cost stand point it makes perfect since to replace the 717 in a slow time line of integration of planes and crews rather than rush to redo and out fit a plane into WN and train 10000 flight atts on another A/C type. When it is only going to be replaced in the next 5 years or less..Lets just face the facts WN never wanted FL for there 717's that's just what came with the deal. wnfg  
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:48 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
Well nice to know the plane is officially launched and ordered. That's one more debating point put to rest.

  

It's amazing how much pointless energy members expend trying to belittle the "enemy" company (A or B). Why are people so threatened by the success of "the other side"?

Anyway, congrats to Boeing and Southwest, now and in the future. -ir
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:48 pm

Quoting oykie (Reply 2):
Interesting that the 737-8MAX is the chosen picture for the release

I do not expect to see WN fly the 73GMAX. Instead, I expect 73G(NG) to be upgauged to 738/738MAX and be made available for thin routes.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 13):
Launch discounts are customary, but it's not customary to have a queue of 900 orders waiting to firm up.

A classy problem to have. However, actually having a launch customer is a challenge. The first 20 airframes will be tough resale (they *will* be heavy, they will have engines made to a standard prior to the design of certain PIPs, etc.)

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 16):
New rumor with this announcement for such a large firm order Boeing is letting WN out of the 717 contracts early.

We'll have to see how the 717 does. The real issue is engine maintenance. Not day to day issues, but the frequency of overhauls.   I'm sure the 717 was part of the deal and I'm certain we won't hear about it until Boeing has found a few new lease customers for the T-tails.

Quoting ORDFan (Reply 23):
these 737MAX start being delivered in 2017 and will likely be in production for several years after that, that would make the 737 frame one of the longest flying in commercial aviation history, correct? Assuming the MAX's stay in service for 20-25 years after their debut, the 737 family will have been in the air for approx. 80 years!?!

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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:50 pm

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 34):

I agree but "5 years" warrants at least a paint job, in my book.
Not sure if a "sticker" is congruent with WN's clean and sharp image.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:50 pm

I hate to see the 717s go eventually. They are a great airplane.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:56 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 36):
I do not expect to see WN fly the 73GMAX. Instead, I expect 73G(NG) to be upgauged to 738/738MAX and be made available for thin routes

It would be interesting if Boeing put the flat rear bulkhead from the 739ER on the 737-7 to MAXimize it at 150 pax single class.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:05 pm

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 32):
Was not. According to Randy's "100 Days of MAX" blog last week, it was 12 customers with close to 800 commitments. Now it's 13 for over 900 (my guess is it went from ~775 to ~925.

Maybe you are right, but I doubt that Southwest was not on the MAX wagon from the start.
Southwest is after all ... Southwest!

I hope that Boeing soon would be so kind to share their MAX committed customers with us like Airbus did during the Paris Airshow.
I guess after a few more months it wont matter because then we should be able to only count orders against orders.
Commitments gets to be a little vague IMO. And who really knows how many commitments Airbus has for NEO anyway?
What do we call a customer with a commitment who doesn't want to get displayed? Unidentified Commitments?
  
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:09 pm

The SWA livery looks better on the longer 800/MAX than the shorter 700 in my opinion.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:37 pm

Quoting UGA777 (Reply 38):
I hate to see the 717s go eventually. They are a great airplane.


Well, they are and I hate to see them go too. Just like I still love the Fokker aircraft KLM is still operating. I have a soft-spot for narrow-bodies with the engines mounted at the rear. Somehow I "feel" they fly better, though I can not really back that up. Maybe it is just me but that is mostly the impression I get from flying on such airliners.

But reality is that the B737-MAX and the A320-NEO are taking over many of those positions. And some will be covered by C-series or Embrears. Those are now the planes with which one needs to compare the current product.

So-far the NEO and the MAX seem to score the one huge sales success after the other in a dazzling way. Making sure that Airbus and Boeing will remain the dominant OEM's for a very, very long time to come.

[Edited 2011-12-13 08:39:01]
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:50 pm

The contract signing ceremony was at 9AM today at SWA Headquarters. I included a video of the ceremony below. The audio is bad, but it pretty much answers the questions that people posed in this thread.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/19121920
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:58 pm

Quoting justplanenutz (Reply 39):
It would be interesting if Boeing put the flat rear bulkhead from the 739ER on the 737-7 to MAXimize it at 150 pax single class.

That would be an even more interesting addition to the 737-8. It would neutralize Airbus's new rear galley layout and expand the 738's capacity advantage over the A320 from 9-12 seats to 12-15 in typical single-class configuration.

Does anyone have a sense of whether it's likely, given the other changes to the rear fuselage of the MAX?
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:06 pm

Congrats WN and Boeing. More 737-800 coming soon too.
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:13 pm

Quoting GizmoNC (Reply 19):
Southwest has placed a firm order for 150 Boeing 737 MAX airplanes, with the first delivery scheduled in 2017. The Company also expanded its current order book with Boeing for 58 additional 737NG aircraft. These new orders join an existing firm order book of 142, bringing Southwest's total firm orders with the Boeing Company to 350 for 2012 through 2022, which are intended to predominately serve as replacement aircraft as the airline continues the modernization of its fleet.

Howdy Gizmo: I just read that somewhere.  . I really look forward to seeing the MAX just as much as the NG. Oh, and more school.

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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:24 pm

Everyone saw that one coming a mile away. Still congrats to Boeing and Southwest.  
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:47 pm

Quoting ebbuk (Reply 3):
So good that Boeing can start talking about orders for the MAX
Quoting Chiad (Reply 29):
Do we know if Southwest firm orders was or was not apart of the mysterious dozen?

WN was the 13th customer according to my source and backed by what has been written in the press as well. This hardly matters in my opinion , as most of the commitments will be firmed up in the coming year or so..
 
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RE: Southwest Order 150 737MAX + 58 737NG

Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:03 pm

Quoting na (Reply 20):
Southwests fleet will remain a boring monotony.

Here, let me touch that up a bit:

Quote:
Southwests fleet will remain a boring, profitable monotony.

Better!

Quoting peanuts (Reply 26):
If WN truly doesn't want 717's, they'll find a quicker way out for them somehow.

Unless WN wants to park them, they need to work with Boeing Capital, given that they own the 717s and WN leases them.

WN just said the leases run out from 2017 to 2024 and will operate the 717s that long if they have to, but are looking for ways to replace them.

Quoting peanuts (Reply 37):
Not sure if a "sticker" is congruent with WN's clean and sharp image.

Neither does the old and dingy 737 classic I rode on a few weeks ago.

Quoting Valorien (Reply 43):
The audio is bad, but it pretty much answers the questions that people posed in this thread.

During the conference linked above, Albaugh claims the MAX will "easily" have 1400-1500 MAX sales by end of next year.

He also says it will be delivered to WN on spec and on budget.

It seems a lot of that depends on CFMI.

During the conference, WN mentioned they compared the NEO to the MAX, and the MAX fit WN's mission profile better.

The lighter weight was called out as an advantage over the NEO.

Specifically, field performance at KMDW was called out as a factor where the lighter MAX did better than the NEO.

GE said it's technology was more "credible" than Pratt's.  Wow!

WN says it's CAPEX for the term of the firm commitments will average $1.2B/year. They also mentioned some of the frames (NGs at least) will be leased.

Some of the "web questions" posted during the conference sounded like they came directly from a.net!

I suspect you'll see a new article on flightglobal.com pretty soon...

[Edited 2011-12-13 10:25:33]

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