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CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:48 pm

Boeing 747-8 vs. Airbus A380 -- the airline giants face off

Now that the Boeing 747-8 has received its FAA certification, here's a look at how it fares against its mighty rival, the Airbus A380


Read more: Boeing 747-8 vs. Airbus A380 -- the airline giants face off | CNNGo.com http://www.cnngo.com/explorations/li...tch-152563?hpt=hp_c3#ixzz1gvQkQN8r

http://www.cnngo.com/explorations/li...-a380-death-match-152563?hpt=hp_c3


The results are nothing new, really is it ?
 
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:12 pm

The author of that article clearly didn't know what they were talking/writing about. Instead they just decided to quote meaningless facts, that you can find on Wikipedia, such as 'wing span' and 'length'.

Oh, and 'Round 8'. I would dispute that conclusion.

The comments sections is always a good for a laugh though.

[Edited 2011-12-18 14:14:02]
 
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:47 pm

CNN is just stirring the pot with us a.netters over the A vs B debate. Just because one airplane is longer than the other or one has more wingspan than the other doesn't mean one is better than the other. They might as well compare a Chevrolet Camaro against a Ford Mustang. One is not better than the other based on dimensions alone.

As far as performance goes, let the 748 enter passenger service for a while so we can get some actual data we can compare to the 380.
 
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:59 pm

It is a pretty useless comparison since as mentioned everything is on wikipedia until it gets to fuel burn. The author didn't know what to do since there is no head to head way to realistically compare the planes based on wikipedia style facts, so he got some number from National Geographic and admits it isn't a fair comparison.
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:05 pm

must have been a VERY slow news day for cnn
comparing wingspan and length of the frame in a "which plane is better" contest?
come on now
 
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:30 am

Quoting bohica (Reply 2):
CNN is just stirring the pot with us a.netters over the A vs B debate.

The sad thing is, they probably doesn't even know we exist.

So I love how the report has been universally panned here and nobody is taking a shot in the A vs B debate.

Based on the assessments of the report here, I will not waste one minute on the report.

Thanks!
 
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:59 am

Quoting U2380 (Reply 1):
The comments sections is always a good for a laugh though.

Indeed. A few of my favorites:

"As far as looks are concerned, the 747 wins hands down. The a380 looks like a lumbering cow." (Not trying to start another "ugly A380" battle, but the comment did make me laugh.)

"My planes better than yours . . . mummy in tired . . booohooo"

"obviously boing is the winner, it doesnt need that much fuel and is cheaper" and the following reply: "Obviously you're wrong, which isn't surprising considering you can't even spell "Boeing"."

Quoting bohica (Reply 2):
They might as well compare a Chevrolet Camaro against a Ford Mustang

Then they'd arrive at the correct conclusion that the Mustang is better.   
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:06 am

Quoting bohica (Reply 2):
CNN is just stirring the pot with us a.netters over the A vs B debate.

NO THEY ARENT!

There would be no competition between the Airbus 747-8I and the Airbus A380...   

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We present to you the Airbus 747-8 and Airbus A380 face off.


is this article for real? that was the most worthless thing i have ever read... wish i could get my 1.5min back.

As for them knowing a.net. they did quote a.net for some info.

[Edited 2011-12-18 20:10:36]
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:15 am

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 5):
The sad thing is, they probably doesn't even know we exist.

They do know we're here... if you look at the source of the 380's max cruise speed, you'll see they used the tech page as their source for that fact.
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:29 am

Quoting khpn (Reply 4):
must have been a VERY slow news day for cnn

With today's (good) news out of North Korea they are already back to more important stuff.
 
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:50 am

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 5):
The sad thing is, they probably doesn't even know we exist.

...oh but they do "Round 5: Cruising speed"

simplistic comparisons...
 
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:59 am

Wow. I count at least five commentors on that article that Googled "What does ETOPS stand for?", and now they're all aeronautical engineers....
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:34 am

I think it is very amateurish of the author to make up his own specifications just because he is unable to get real data about the aircraft. What does that say about the entire article?

I hope this is not the normal level of journalism on CNN.
 
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:12 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 12):

I hope this is not the normal level of journalism on CNN.

It definitely is!
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:34 am

Good laugh in early morning, thanks for sharing such nonsene.
The only way to know which aircraft is better will be to see how many of each LH , Korean and maybe a few more airlines (Hong Kong?) have delivered and on order in ten years from now. Unfortunately we only know this number in ten years. So we can waste electricity by discussing it here.
 
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:59 am

This article reminds me of The Gadget show. A program on Channel 5 here in the UK. They're supposed to give you the low down on new gadgets, etc. However, all it is is a bunch of smug gits making meaningless comparisons between two devices and not actually comparing them in the real world doing what each gadget does best.
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:59 am

What poor journalism.

Informal, and too much use of dictionary.com. I really hope whoever wrote this is either writing his letter of resignation, or has realised what a POS he has published.

I like this: "We present to you the Airbus 747-8 and Airbus A380 face off."

[Edited 2011-12-19 00:00:51]

I also like his very proper use of the word "there."


[Edited 2011-12-19 00:06:38]
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:07 am

There aren't many journalists of the "investigative" sort any more, those who actually look up sources outside of the internet, or meet and interview people. And journalists aren't specialized anymore. CNN may have financial and political experts, but nobody with engineering or science knowledge.

For the publishers, the internet has become a convenient tool to look up tiny little facts in order to churn out stuff they call articles. I always love it when I read something on a.net and then it turns up 3-4 days later on the websites (!) of our newspapers. Many journalists live off the bloggers because they can't do their own job anymore. It's sad.

A few days ago, I read about the rescue helicopters my Alpine Club is supposed to use...   

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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:32 am

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 17):

That is quite true, actually. I rmber reading something about ONT on here last week, and lo and behold, an article about ONT appears in the Press Enterprise. I wonder if journalists come through these forms to get article ideas. Wouldn't surprise me.
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:02 pm

Honestly, did any of you expect more out of CNN? Their website has been about the most miserable excuse for news for some time now.
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:28 pm

Well, can you imagine the Fox version of this story?

Round 10: Political Origin

747-8i: Built by Unionized Communists in radically left-wing Seattle area of Washington State. Home of Tall Non-Fat Soy Lattes.

A380: Built by frothing Socialists in France and Germany with access to free healthcare.

Verdict: Tie.
 
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:01 pm

Quoting wingman (Reply 20):

Excellent! ^^
 
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:07 pm

Quoting wingman (Reply 20):
Well, can you imagine the Fox version of this story?

Round 10: Political Origin

747-8i: Built by Unionized Communists in radically left-wing Seattle area of Washington State. Home of Tall Non-Fat Soy Lattes.

A380: Built by frothing Socialists in France and Germany with access to free healthcare.

Verdict: Tie.

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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:28 pm

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 7):
There would be no competition between the Airbus 747-8I and the Airbus A380

got them from the article lol
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:38 pm

Quoting wingman (Reply 20):
Well, can you imagine the Fox version of this story?

Don't get me started  

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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:56 pm

About three years ago, I compared the A388 to B748 in the following thread. Here are some numbers from reply #18 of that thread, updated for fuel prices.

A388 Versus B748 Economic Analysis (by LAXDESI Jul 26 2008 in Tech Ops)
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For a 6,000 nm trip,

A388 burns additional 10,610 gallons at a cost of $32,000
A388 earns additional $84,000 (120 seats X 70% LF X $1,000) in seat revenues.
A388 earns additional $5,000 (6,419 lbs. X 50% LF X $1.5) in cargo revenue.

The net trip advantage to A388 is $37,000--about $14 million annually. Looks like both aircraft are equally matched in cargo potential, but A388 may be volume constrained.

Disregarding cargo and reducing the 120 seat advantage to A388 over B748 would still leave the A388 with a significant advantage over B748 on dense routes. Assuming 90 seat advantage to A388 over B748 leaves the A388 with an advantage of $11 million in operating benefits annually.
 
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:27 pm

You know what I wish could happen! I wish the market was big enough, for a 700 passenger Comac C-939, to give the 747-8 and A380 some competition.
 
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:29 pm

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 5):
The sad thing is, they probably doesn't even know we exist.

Do we?

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 12):
I hope this is not the normal level of journalism on CNN.

This is better than average for CNN....
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:38 pm

"For the serious competition fiends out there Airbus comes out on top, five rounds to three.

What is this, ESPN?

I could do a better job at commenting a cricket game (and if there's one thing a don't know a f*@& about....) than whatever technical analysis was attempted there...
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:00 pm

Me thinks you all are taking this bit of journalism too seriously. It's infotainment aimed at the general public. It doesn't alter the perceptions of those in charge of aircraft procurement.
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:34 pm

Well, the only really meaningful test would be to have Consumer Reports do one.....if they could find pilots checked out in both craft (perhaps a half dozen or so at present?) They're unbiased (regardless of what some believe), they know whereof they speak (or publish) and they do meaningful tests. Examples here could include emergency climb (say, due to an unexpected D9 Cat in the middle of the rwy at the 2k ft mark.......roll rate and turn radius (perhaps needed if one of them should stray too close to what the new little fatty Missa Kim decides is "too close" to DPRK airspace and sends up a couple MiGs)....takeoff noise level, perpendicular at 300m (or so).....overhead bin space & ease of access.....how many landings per set of tires.....fuel burn with std and "power pack" engines eastbound and westbound (maybe JFK-FRA or somesuch).....ground handling characteristics (to include hi-speed emergency turns, determining what velocity could not be exceeded to avoid the dreaded "nacelle and/or wingtip grinding" on tarmac.....I could go on, but you get the idea.

In the end, let's see how many carriers buy both (we know the Gulf states lines probably will).....
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:05 pm

I accidentally stumbled upon this article earlier today and I was shocked to see how these two aircraft were compared. So childish, reminds me of that game, I think it's called Quartett, where you bet on one of the characteristics.    I thought CNN would be more professional TBH.
 
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:13 pm

Quoting wingman (Reply 20):
Honestly, did any of you expect more out of CNN? Their website has been about the most miserable excuse for news for some time now.

CNN "The World's News Leader" always make me laugh, especially when Rosemary Church says it, if she says it enough times will it come true?!?

A news channel full of self gloryfying adverts....... CNN...Completely Naff News I like to call it...

Back to the matter in hand, let's wait until we have the Boeing in airline service, after all have we not learned you cannot always trust manufacturer performance data....? Let's see what the airlines say...

[Edited 2011-12-19 13:14:13]
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RE: CNN - Face Off: B74-8 Vs A388

Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:13 pm

The 747-8 and A380 both have their markets. We will let the "free market" settle as to whom will operate these aircraft.
I still think the airbus A-380 is TOO LARGE an aircraft for any United States based airline.
The 747-8 may have a few takers in the United States.
Cargo operators here may find it a better option to use 747-400 freighters or have some passenger aircraft converted to freighters.   
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