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How many MD-80's did US own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:57 am

Hi Everyone,

I looked around before I saw that US had MD-80's that were retired in 2002 [source wikipedia] that were acquired from PSA. My question is, how many of them did they have? Were they strictly used on PSA routes or were they used on other US routes.

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How many MD-80's did US own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:01 am

There is a bit of information on Airfleets.net about there fleet.

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/US%20Airways-history-md80.htm
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How many MD-80's did US own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:02 am

Both airfleets and planespotters list US as having 31 MD-80s, and a combo of -81s and -82s.

A quick search in the photo DB shows that they spent quite some time on the East coast

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How many MD-80's did US own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:08 am

US brought them to the east coast. My memory is they flew as far west as Houston.
 
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How many MD-80's did US own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:08 am

I guess you could fly them throughout the network; I flew one PHL-ORD in 1999. It was in awful conditon - I remember the seat numbers on the overhead compartment were written in with a marker in my row....
 
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How many MD-80's did US own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:11 am

I remember USAir M80s in CMH

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How many MD-80's did US own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:30 am

They were originally PS birds but moved east not long after PS was acquired. I'm reasonably certain that all 31 were MD81's. A follow on order was placed for 30 MD82's but was not taken up. They could be found all over the east coast in markets large and small. Quite a few served the Florida routes but really for all intents and purposes they could be found throughout the east. Toward the end of their US days they were indeed in pretty sad shape.
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:22 am

I remember seeing them on PIT-CRW from time to time.
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:27 am

I flew one MSY-CLT in August 1997 I think it was.
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:29 am

I remember flying on the US MD-80's out of ISP nonstop to both PIT and MCO. This was back in the 1990's. I remember they were a nice ride. A steep takeoff out of ISP.
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:36 am

Quoting Flaps (Reply 6):
They were originally PS birds but moved east not long after PS was acquired. I'm reasonably certain that all 31 were MD81's.

There were in fact some MD82s - 12 to be exact. The remaining 19 were all MD81s.
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:57 am

Flew twice MD82 from PIT to BOS back in 2001 ... First class .... But was surprised to have only drinks and peanuts in F . Although it was only 1. 5 hour flight ..
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:02 pm

They served Albany NY for some time.
Forget where they flew to but certainly PHL.
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:38 pm

I was on a hotel shuttle bus at BOS in1997 and got to talking to a couple of US pilots. They had just worked an MD-80 flight into BOS.
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:39 pm

I was hired at US in 1997 and worked my fair share of MD-80 trips . Such a long ass airplane . I remember the LGA-PBI turns on it .Oy vey !!
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:04 pm

There was quite a bit of difference in them from when I flew them FAT-LAX and when the migrated east.
The 2 times I was on one during business trips was YYZ-PIT and PIT-CLT some time in the mid-late 90's, as others said, they were wearing out fast.
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:54 pm

In 2001 I flew one from EWR-PIT. The PIT-EWR segment was on one of their DC-9's!
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:53 pm

Flew on one CLT-DFW in the early 90s.
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:03 pm

On 12/4/94, I flew on N826US from MIA to BWI. It was an MD-81. It was supposed to be a 757, but the MD-80 was substituted. They had a lot of trouble connecting the jet bridge in MIA. I was in first class, and the cabin was in excellent shape. We were served a pretty good lunch.

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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:52 pm

Quoting Archer (Reply 12):
They served Albany NY for some time.
Forget where they flew to but certainly PHL.

They served ROC,too . They looked pretty ratty towards the end . Didn't the registrations also in in -VJ for 'Vista Jet',or was it their DC9's?
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:28 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 19):
Didn't the registrations also in in -VJ for 'Vista Jet',or was it their DC9's?

The DC-9's were VJ not sure about the MD-80's. I always wondered what VJ stood for. When I was little I thought they were former ValuJet planes lol

I remember flying a MD-80 PVD-PIT in 1998. It was the first time I had seen the new (at the time) US Airways seat covers.
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:41 pm

I flew one on LGA-MCO-LGA in 1999. That thing was not in great shape. Especially compared to the S80s at AA.
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:44 pm

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 20):
The DC-9's were VJ not sure about the MD-80's. I always wondered what VJ stood for. When I was little I thought they were former ValuJet planes lol
VJ is Allegheny Airlines (name later changed to USAir)?

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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:30 pm

All of the MD-80s came from the acquisition of PSA. As others have commented, it did not take long for them to migrate to the east coast.
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:34 pm

Quoting Boeing773ER (Thread starter):
Were they strictly used on PSA routes or were they used on other US routes.
Quoting dave2 (Reply 23):
As others have commented, it did not take long for them to migrate to the east coast.

Well, they couldn't possibly have lasted very long on PSA routes considering that US discontinued the entire ex-PSA route structure within a year. Oh maybe SFO-LAX had the good fortune of lasting maybe 1 1/2 years. So obviously, they quickly migrated out of the PSA routes.
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:49 pm

If memory serves, 18 were -81's, 13 were 82's....I think. Personally, I like -80's...and DC9's and F100's, etc....less chance of winding up in a middle seat. And if you could score a seat ahead of about row 22, very quiet. I'll be sorry to see AA & DL retire their flts in the next few yrs.
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:16 pm

Quoting September11 (Reply 22):
VJ is Allegheny Airlines (name later changed to USAir)?
Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 20):
I always wondered what VJ stood for.

VJ stood for "Vista-Jet" Allegheny's name for their DC-9s! There was also a 757 with a VJ reg, must've been a registration thing. You never know what the leasing companies will require on the planes.
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:19 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 24):
Well, they couldn't possibly have lasted very long on PSA routes considering that US discontinued the entire ex-PSA route structure within a year. Oh maybe SFO-LAX had the good fortune of lasting maybe 1 1/2 years. So obviously, they quickly migrated out of the PSA routes.

Thats not correct. PSA came under US in 1988. They operated the PSA network give or take a few routes all the way up to the early to mid 90s. They probably kept the bulk of PSA until at least 91 or 92 when they first pulled out of the satellite airports (OAK, SJC, BUR etc) but kept a fairly extensive point to point w/ LAX, SAN and SFO. It was by mid 90s that they were done w/ PSA.

Indeed the MD80s were immediately redeployed to east coast as other posters pointed out after the merger.
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:30 pm

Quoting September11 (Reply 22):
VJ is Allegheny Airlines (name later changed to USAir)?

Nope, Allegheny was AL, and USAir kept that code for several years before changing to US.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 19):
Didn't the registrations also in in -VJ for 'Vista Jet'

They ended in -PS when delivered to PSA, but those registrations were changed to -US.
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:16 pm

I flew on a USAir MD-80 in 1994 from Charlotte to Jacksonville, FL that had the original PSA interior. Then in 1998 I was lucky enough to fly on one from Chicago to Charlotte. This one had an updated interior, or at least new overhead bins. I enjoyed both flights. Very smooth. Here is a video clip from the flight in 1998:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4OiRnzNG7E
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:17 pm

Thank you very much for this information.

I learned a little a bit about US that I didn't know.
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:49 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 19):
They served ROC,too . They looked pretty ratty towards the end . Didn't the registrations also in in -VJ for 'Vista Jet',or was it their DC9's?

I remember flying on a MD81 (I think) from CLT-ROC in 1998. Dont know the N number though. Flight was during the afternoon and we landed on rwy 28 (Love the short xwind runway landings!)

On a side note.....why is it that ROC has had only 1 daily CLT flight (sometimes 2 on sat) while BUF gets 4ish and SYR gets 2/3ish? Is it Canada for BUF and Syracuse U for SYR?
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:33 am

When I flew on the above noted MD-81 in 1994, it had the then current USAir seat covers, which were dark blue with little red squares. First class had blue leather seats. I never saw one with PSA seat covers.

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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:54 am

Quoting Boeing773ER (Thread starter):
Were they strictly used on PSA routes or were they used on other US routes.

Some random routes that I pulled up for the USAir MD-80s in 1995 are:

Baltimore-Charlotte
Baltimore-Hartford/Springfield
Baltimore-Kansas City
Baltimore-Orlando

Charlotte-Charleston SC
Charlotte-Cleveland
Charlotte-Columbia
Charlotte-Daytona Beach
Charlotte-Greenville/Spartanburg
Charlotte-Hartford/Springfield
Charlotte-Houston Intercontinental
Charlotte-Indianapolis
Charlotte-Jacksonville
Charlotte-Milwaukee
Charlotte-Myrtle Beach
Charlotte-Newark
Charlotte-Rochester
Charlotte-Saint Louis
Charlotte-Savannah
Charlotte-Tampa
Charlotte-Washington National

Indianapolis-Miami
Indianapolis-New York LaGuardia
Indianapolis-Tampa
Indianapolis-Washington National

Kansas City-Washington National

Philadelphia-Dayton
Philadelphia-Fort Lauderdale
Philadelphia-Greensboro
Philadelphia-Hartford/Springfield
Philadelphia-Montreal
Philadelphia-New Orleans
Philadelphia-Syracuse
Philadelphia-Tampa

Pittsburgh-Albany
Pittsburgh-Allentown
Pittsburgh-Balimore
Pittsburgh-Boston
Pittsburgh-Chicago O'Hare
Pittsburgh-Dallas/Fort Worth
Pittsburgh-Erie
Pittsburgh-Fort Lauderdale
Pittsburgh-Harrisburg
Pittsburgh-Hartford/Springfield
Pittsburgh-Houston Intercontinental
Pittsburgh-Indianapolis
Pittsburgh-Long Island
Pittsburgh-Milwaukee
Pittsburgh-Nashville
Pittsburgh-Orlando
Pittsburgh-Philadelphia
Pittsburgh-Providence
Pittsburgh-Rochester
Pittsburgh-West Palm Beach

It's actually amazing how many former MD-80 routes are now excusive US Airways Express routes or simply non-existant.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 28):
Nope, Allegheny was AL, and USAir kept that code for several years before changing to US.

It was actually a good number of years. As you probably know, Allegheny became USAir in October 1979. USAir continued to use the "AL" code until October 1, 1988 when it became "US."
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:05 am

Flew on a US MD-80 SYR-EWR in what must have been the early 90s. The plane was continuing on EWR-PIT after my flight.
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:00 am

Baltimore-Charlotte = GONE
Baltimore-Hartford/Springfield = GONE
Baltimore-Kansas City = GONE
Baltimore-Orlando= GONE

Charlotte-Charleston SC = 9x Express
Charlotte-Cleveland = 2x Mainline 4xExpress
Charlotte-Columbia = 7xExpress
Charlotte-Daytona Beach = 3x Express
Charlotte-Greenville/Spartanburg = 8x Express
Charlotte-Hartford/Springfield = 5x Mainline 1xExpress
Charlotte-Houston Intercontinental = 7x Mainline
Charlotte-Indianapolis = 8x Express
Charlotte-Jacksonville = 8x Mainline
Charlotte-Milwaukee = 4x Express
Charlotte-Myrtle Beach = 7x Express
Charlotte-Newark = 8x Mainline 2x Express
Charlotte-Rochester = 1x Mainline
Charlotte-Saint Louis = 3x Mainline 3xExpress
Charlotte-Savannah = 8x Express
Charlotte-Tampa = 9x Mainline
Charlotte-Washington National = 9xMainline 3xExpress

Indianapolis-Miami =GONE
Indianapolis-New York LaGuardia = GONE
Indianapolis-Tampa = GONE
Indianapolis-Washington National =GONE

Kansas City-Washington National = 2x Express

Philadelphia-Dayton = 4x Express
Philadelphia-Fort Lauderdale = 6x Mainline
Philadelphia-Greensboro = 5x Express
Philadelphia-Hartford/Springfield = 1x Mainline 7x Express
Philadelphia-Montreal = 6x Express
Philadelphia-New Orleans =2x Mainline
Philadelphia-Syracuse = 1x Mainline 5x Express
Philadelphia-Tampa = 6x Mainline

Pittsburgh-Albany = GONE
Pittsburgh-Allentown = GONE
Pittsburgh-Balimore = GONE
Pittsburgh-Boston = 5x Express
Pittsburgh-Chicago O'Hare = GONE
Pittsburgh-Dallas/Fort Worth = GONE
Pittsburgh-Erie = Gone
Pittsburgh-Fort Lauderdale = GONE
Pittsburgh-Harrisburg = GONE
Pittsburgh-Hartford/Springfield = 3x Express
Pittsburgh-Houston Intercontinental = GONE
Pittsburgh-Indianapolis = GONE
Pittsburgh-Long Island = GONE
Pittsburgh-Milwaukee = GONE
Pittsburgh-Nashville = GONE
Pittsburgh-Orlando = GONE
Pittsburgh-Philadelphia= 4x Mainline 5x Express
Pittsburgh-Providence = GONE (unless you count 1 Express through flight)
Pittsburgh-Rochester = GONE
Pittsburgh-West Palm Beach= GONE
These frequencies are taking from today's schedule.

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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:15 pm

My US M80 exrepience was MCO-PIT as a part of an EYW-MCO-PIT-SEA routing, and hung over to boot. I'll never do that again, I still remember it being decent service even though I was in Y near the back.
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:28 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 36):
My US M80 exrepience was MCO-PIT as a part of an EYW-MCO-PIT-SEA routing, and hung over to boot. I'll never do that again, I still remember it being decent service even though I was in Y near the back.

Change of plane service I'd imagine? I don't think an M81 has the range from PIT to SEA.
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Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:07 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 37):
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 36):
My US M80 exrepience was MCO-PIT as a part of an EYW-MCO-PIT-SEA routing, and hung over to boot. I'll never do that again, I still remember it being decent service even though I was in Y near the back.

Change of plane service I'd imagine? I don't think an M81 has the range from PIT to SEA.

I think he's referring to his entire routing, including connecting flights. His MD-81 flight was MCO-PIT as he stated. Besides not being suitable for PIT-SEA, I don't think MD-81s would have done so well out of EYW either.

It still to this day infuriates me of the incompetence of US buying PSA and then gutting their entire routes. (Gee, we really didn't want to fly all those West Coast routes after all.) That's why I speak so negatively of speculation that DL should buy AS.
 
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:09 pm

Similar experience to those above.

In 1999, I flew on a US Fokker F-100 from HPN to PIT. Nice plane, and I was subsequently to fly many F-100s.

The return flight PIT to HPN was on a DC-9. It was the one time I actually thought the plane might not be airworthy. It was filthy inside and out. The overheads didn't have any bins; they were simply 'hat racks.' The carpet was peeling everywhere and held in place by duct tape, the insides of the overheads were haphazardly whitewashed, the foam was popping out of the cushions. My wife's seatbelt came right out of its socket.

I wrote a letter to USAir about the condition of this airplane. They wrote back that they would reprimand the cleaning crew! I responded by saying it wasn't the fault of the cleaning crew; that airplane was simply a mess, and the cleaning crew wasn't going to make it any better.
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RE: How Many MD-80's Did US Own?

Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:30 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 38):
It still to this day infuriates me of the incompetence of US buying PSA and then gutting their entire routes. (Gee, we really didn't want to fly all those West Coast routes after all.) That's why I speak so negatively of speculation that DL should buy AS.

That and there are many other examples:

AA and QQ
AA and Air Cal
AA and TWA

To name a few.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 38):

I think he's referring to his entire routing, including connecting flights. His MD-81 flight was MCO-PIT as he stated. Besides not being suitable for PIT-SEA, I don't think MD-81s would have done so well out of EYW either.

Makes sense.

Kind of crazy that back in the hey day of USAir operating M80s and F100s they had hubs at: IND, SYR, LGA, PHL, BWI, DCA, DAY and major focus cities at ALB, EWR, MCO, BOS, LAX, MCI etc. What happened!?!?
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