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3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:03 am

Some diversions due to the heavy winds in Scotland:

BA 767 LHR-GLA diverted Newcastle
BA A320 LHR-EDI returned to LHR
KLM B738s AMS-EDI and AMS-GLA diverted Newcastle
easyJet A319 STN-EDI diverting to NCL
easyJet A319s BRS-GLA and BRS-EDI diverted to Manchester
United B757 EWR-GLA divered to MAN (I assume the EDI flight also went to MAN)
easyJet A320 LTN-GLA returned to LTN

Any others?

Edinburgh now closed I believe
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:33 am

Ryanair Faro-Prestwick now heading for Newcastle as well
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:37 am

Winds are bad @ Heathrow today too, long holds in the stacks, numerous diverstions to STN too.
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:49 am

Some gusts of over 100mph in thr Glasgow/Edinburgh area earlier on.

Loads of wagons overturned on the roads..
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:59 am

Things aren't being helped at EDI because the only access road to the airport has had to be closed for "safety reasons" so even if flights are able to land there is nowhere for the pax to go.
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:04 am

EK27 DXB-GLA 77W diverting to Manchester
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:04 am

Emirates GLA flight now heading into MAN as well. Unfortunately nothing from LHR though.
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:06 am

I'm interested to know why domestic flights diverted - given the predictability of horrendous wind (and weather generally). Passengers from BRS to EDI and GLA must be irritated diverting to MAN, around 3 hours by car from BRS.  

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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:17 am

Winds & Rain here in LTN are awful so I cant imagine how bad they must be in Scotland if an EZY returned here.
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:23 am

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 8):
Winds & Rain here in LTN are awful so I cant imagine how bad they must be in Scotland if an EZY returned here.

Im half way between Belfast and Dublin and its terrible. The strongest Ive seen for a long time. Looking at the news GLA seems to be badly hit and from what I saw the winds were so strong there it blew a van over !
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:23 am

@ Pearson (reply 7)
I've lived in Scotland for close on 60 years and the only time I remember winds like this was back in 1968. The Met Office had an amber alert in force from early yesterday but it was only upgraded to red at about 0815 this morning by which time many of the early flights would already be in the air. Obviously the airports and airlines would get rather more sophisticated meteorological information but there was a very interesting interview with a senior Met Office forecaster on Radio Scotland who said, in effect, that the conditions had worsened suddenly due to a phenomenon called (I think) "jet sting" which has only recently been identified and is still not fully understood.

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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:32 am

Yeah, ScottishDavie. I just find it somewhat humourous that it seems highly clear that the weather would be shockingly bad yet they proceeded and had to divert even on short hops. It seems silly, to a degree, to divert to MAN on, say, a BRS-EDI sector. Perhaps the weather in BRS meant that they couldn't return there.

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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:56 am

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 8):
Winds & Rain here in LTN are awful

Was like that for most of the morning at Cranfield University, although it has just eased. Indeed, I can, from the library, see that M-KELY has just taxiied for departure.

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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:41 pm

Quoting ScottishDavie (Reply 10):
called (I think) "jet sting"

Sounded interseting, so thanks to Google and Wiki, I found that it is interesting (to me at least!). Thanks for mentioning the interview.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_jet
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:07 pm

Looking at the Heathrow departure board it appears that domestic flights will be getting back to normal around 18:00, hope everyone gets home tonight.  
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:13 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 12):
Was like that for most of the morning at Cranfield University, although it has just eased. Indeed, I can, from the library, see that M-KELY has just taxiied for departure.

Yeah its oddly sunny now.. British winter eh.
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:49 pm

Quoting be77 (Reply 13):
Thanks for mentioning the interview.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_jet

And thanks for the interesting reference. Makes me wish I'd paid more attention to science at school!
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:59 pm

The Met Office recorded a gust of 102 mph at Blackford Hill station in Edinburgh and 91mph at Glasgow Bishopton. Apparently trees and debris were blocking the approach road to EDI which was then not accepting any inbound flights.
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:06 pm

Where the hell are all these strong winds and gales coming from? Traditionally at this time of the year in the UK we get 5 months of temps just above freezing, calm winds and an abundance of mist/fog. This past 3 months has been the exact opposite with temps typically sitting around 10C and not a week has gone by without gale force winds hammering us. WTF is going on?   
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:09 pm

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 15):
Yeah its oddly sunny now.. British winter eh.

 

Even a Cessna 152 is now taxiing here...
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:14 pm

AC848 (Toronto-Heathrow) diverted to CDG. Finally got to LHR @1229 (4:04 late).
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:20 pm

The end of the world has started already - first remove Scotland from the map, then carry on....     
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:04 pm

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 21):

Tut Tut, then what would we do with all those kilts?  
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:58 pm

Our first SOU-GLA BE880 flew up, circled GLA for a bit then returned to SOU, our EDI BE763 got down here then couldn't return, they decided to delay it as its EDI aircraft and crew, should have departed SOU 09:10 but when I left at 14:00 it was still there.

Another interesting thing we had happen was BE1845 IOM-SOU-BRU on a DH4 diverted to LGW due to high winds at SOU and BE961 BHD-LGW on an E95 diverted to SOU due to strong wind at LGW about the same time as well.

Also a JER-LGW flight was going to divert to SOU but again because of strong wind diverted to BOH instead, apart from a couple of tech issues, all our other flights were fine as the wind was blowing straight down the runway, even Blue Islands and their little J32 was flying, couldnt have been pleasant though.
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:09 pm

Just found out my dad got flown to GLA, circled then flew back to BHX on BE due to the weather.

Opened my door around 1130 (I'm right on the path, or just to the left of 9L at LHR so get the take offs from 27R going just behind my house) on opening the door the trees were at and angle and the rain was so hard I could not see the road. I have never seen rain and wind that strong. It eased all of a sudden and I saw a BA 747 doing a go around from 27L and a AC 767 that had taken off from 27R was very far over to the right! I have not seen planes my side of the house before, let alone that far over. At one point 30 minutes later I was at the hotel waiting for a bus to T5 a BA 747 went right over me, again so far off the centreline, something I have never seen before.
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:18 pm

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 24):
I have never seen rain and wind that strong

Sounds like just like the rain I literally walked into just before Xmas when visibilty went from being okay to about 50m in about 2 seconds maximum. With the wind being like it was, not really a day for flying

Incidentally, this is the 0820 wind report for GLA: 250 degrees at 51 knots, gusting 78 knots
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:51 pm

Quoting BDABOY (Reply 17):
Blackford Hill station in Edinburgh

I live about 1/2 mile from Blackford station and I can tell you it was extreme weather here today. Edinburgh took a battering, ariels and roofs down, my aunt's brand new MINI Cooper was crushed under a fallen tree (write off)

Our flying club buildings took a real hammering writing off a couple of aircraft, a whole hanger got flattened and probably £10k worth of structural damage occurred. Our weather station and wind sock was found about 2 miles downwind!

Ironically, we had so many warnings about winds a month ago that didn't materialise and this wind today was completely unexpected.

Quoting be77 (Reply 13):
Sounded interseting, so thanks to Google and Wiki, I found that it is interesting (to me at least!). Thanks for mentioning the interview. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_jet

Thanks also for this, that is interesting.

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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:44 am

I landed in Orlando a couple of hours ago coming from London Gatwick. This was a quite an interesting take-off. The captain warned us before leaving the gate about the situation and to be prepared for the bumpy ride!
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:00 am

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 26):
my aunt's brand new MINI Cooper was crushed under a fallen tree (write off)

Sorry to hear the news ... if it's a white Mini Cooper then I believe it made it onto the BBC News website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-16392381
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:07 pm

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 28):
if it's a white Mini Cooper then I believe it made it onto the BBC News website:

Yup, that's the one. Small world!

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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:22 pm

An LS 737 was struck by a bus shelter at Edinburgh airport earlier. The aircraft "suffered minimal damage".

BBC Scotland News article

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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:36 pm

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 30):
An LS 737 was struck by a bus shelter at Edinburgh airport earlier.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was Shelter 4 from the long stay car park which I usually use when I'm travelling. It's right beside the perimeter fence and a good spotting location while waiting for the shuttle bus. It's also a bleak and windswept spot even on a fine day!
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:59 pm

On 3 January BA 763 operating LHR-GLA (BA1472) diverted to NCL because of the high winds in Scotland. Subsequently LHR was also impacted by the winds. As a result there were two BA diversions of incoming short haul flights. Both of these diversions were to STN. There were also 31 cancelled BA short haul LHR departures.

The cancelled departures included LHR-NCL (BA1326). So the earlier diverted 763, G-BZHB, operated the second half of this rotation, NCL-LHR (BA1327).

I wondered if this was the first time a BA 763 had operated a scheduled flight into or out of NCL. Anyone know?

Incidentally the only BA cancellations at LGW that is only 26 miles from LHR appear to be flights to or from EDI and GLA.
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:31 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 32):
I wondered if this was the first time a BA 763 had operated a scheduled flight into or out of NCL. Anyone know?

Think they've subbed into NCL before, as well as quite a few diversions. Never been scheduled however (unlike the 744   )
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:01 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 33):

It was scheduled as I flew it quite a few times myself. Can anyone remember the rail crash in early to mid naughties? The crash closed the line to the North East for a few months and a 767 was used on at least rotation per day for that period. It appeared in the timetable and GDS for that period ( not a whole season mind).
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:41 pm

Yes a very sudden and unpredictable onslaught of winds and calm within about 2 hours. Quite wierd.

Do these winds explain the KLM 747 I seemed to have seen at GLA whilst passing on the motorway?
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:11 pm

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 35):
Do these winds explain the KLM 747 I seemed to have seen at GLA whilst passing on the motorway?

Around what time did you think you saw it?
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:19 pm

KLM 744 MEX-AMS diverted to GLA to fuel up I understand
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:29 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 37):
KLM 744 MEX-AMS diverted to GLA to fuel up I understand

Interesting I hope someone got some pics! It seems to be that the KLM 744 was PH-BFS.
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:46 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 37):
KLM 744 MEX-AMS diverted to GLA to fuel up I understand

what an interesting visitor. Thanks for the information on this. Any more information at hand? Would this be related to headwinds? Could she really not have made the extra hour to AMS safely? I suppose the fact she landed answers my question.

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 36):
Around what time did you think you saw it?

static at about 13.30... almost drove off the motorway!
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:02 pm

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 39):
static at about 13.30... almost drove off the motorway!

Haha I bet you did, what a great surprise to see. 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:15 pm

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 39):
what an interesting visitor. Thanks for the information on this. Any more information at hand? Would this be related to headwinds? Could she really not have made the extra hour to AMS safely? I suppose the fact she landed answers my question.

This is very strange. There is another thread on here about the strong winds giving very fast Eastbound TATL trips this week.

US To Europe Flights Arriving Very Early (by TWA1985 Jan 4 2012 in Civil Aviation)#1

Such as IAD-AMS in 6h30 air time, EWR-MUC in 6h30m too, and JFK-VIE in 6h38. Given these conditions I find this very strange and would love to know what went wrong, was AMS closed at some point?
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:08 am

pictures of that unexpected KLM visitor to GLA can be seen here...
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showt...cbd2ed3714cd&p=1841626#post1841626
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:55 am

Quoting boysteve (Reply 41):
This is very strange.

Look on Great Circle Mapper for MEX-AMS, the optimum route comes up the eastern sea board and across Northern Ireland / Southern Scotland.

However, I agree that with the strong easterly winds this would suggest that fuel burn should be less?

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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:05 pm

There were lots of issues at AMS, presumably weather related. On Wed evening (4th Jan), I had a colleague stuck on the ground at AMS having boarded but waiting a long time before departure.

Last night's Easy EDI-LTN went pretty quickly, pilot reported a 170kt tailwind (Southbound) but said he had been battling 200kt headwinds up from Spain.

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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:53 pm

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 43):
However, I agree that with the strong easterly winds this would suggest that fuel burn should be less?

perhaps KLM anticipated the strong winds would result in lower fuel burn, however the winds were not as strong as anticipated, therefore leaving the aircraft short on fuel?
 
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RE: 3/1/12 Scotland Diversions

Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:20 pm

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 45):
perhaps KLM anticipated the strong winds would result in lower fuel burn, however the winds were not as strong as anticipated, therefore leaving the aircraft short on fuel?

Or maybe it had something to do with expected holding time at AMS if there were issues there as GCT64 says?

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