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RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:29 pm

With luck I will be relocating to the RDU area this summer and I was wondering what international service was available. I know there is the AA service to LHR but I was thinking RDU had a 2nd route. It will be nice having that nonstop service and I love that airport. I was there in November and I was very impressed with the facility.
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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:39 pm

There is service on QK (AC Express), RDU-YYZ  

But I'm guessing that isn't quite what you mean by "international".
 
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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:40 pm

Air Canada flies RDU-YYZ using Air Canada Express (Jazz) aircraft. Last spring United (operated by Continental) flew RDU-CUN on the weekends with 737-700 aircraft. Haven't seen if its been reloaded for this year.
 
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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:59 pm

Quoting Indy (Thread starter):
I know there is the AA service to LHR but I was thinking RDU had a 2nd route.

You are probably thinking of DL's announced RDU-CDG service. It was announced in about 2008, but then announced around the beginning of 2009 that it would not be started.
 
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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:59 pm

Current:
DL serves RDU-CUN 1x on Saturdays with MD-88s.

Former:
DL had announced RDU-CDG daily 757 in 2008ish, but it never materialized.
In the past 10 years or so, AA has served SJU on the weekends
Eagle also served NAS on the weekends for a while.

Good luck and I hope you enjoy the RDU area as much as I do.
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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:06 pm

Quoting rduddji (Reply 4):
Former:
DL had announced RDU-CDG daily 757 in 2008ish, but it never materialized.

Former, would also have to include RDU-ORY service on AA with 762's, I connected once in RDU when AA had it's mini-hub there, on an ATL-RDU-DCA trip, nice quick and easy connections, terminal seemed nice at the time, but we had little time to check anything out.
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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:35 pm

I hope we rightfully get our CDG service..

Vision Airlines flies to Freeport Bahamas in fact I saw the flight land yesterday night...
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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:44 pm

Quoting rduddji (Reply 4):
In the past 10 years or so, AA has served SJU on the weekends

That isn't international, at least not from RDU. But I understand why people often think it is.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5):
I connected once in RDU when AA had it's mini-hub there, on an ATL-RDU-DCA trip, nice quick and easy connections, terminal seemed nice at the time, but we had little time to check anything out.

If I am thinking of the same time period you might be, That terminal has been replaced with a new and quite beautiful terminal. Quite nice, really. I am very amazed that RDU has as nice of a terminal as it does. (at least terminal 2 anyway).
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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:27 pm

International Service to date:

RDU-CUN = Delta Saturday service
RDU-LHR = American, 1 daily
RDU-FPO = Vision M, F ends April
RDU-YYZ = Air Canada Express, 3 daily

Former service, in addition to above:

RDU-ORY = American, 1 daily
RDU-YYZ = Canadian, 2 daily
RDU-YOW = Canadian, 1 daily
RDU-NAS = American, Sat/Sun
RDU-CUN = Continental, Sat
RDU-MJB = American, 1 daily
RDU-BMA = American, 3 daily(?)


Current routes subsidies are available for:

RDU-CDG
RDU-FRA
RDU-LHR (American currently using subsidies)


Current Routes that are being seeked:

RDU-SFO
RDU-SAN
RDU-SJU
RDU-SEA
RDU-CDG
RDU-FRA
RDU-MCI
RDU-AUS
RDU-MSY (I think)

As far as I know, that's about it.
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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:40 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
RDU-SAN

Now I would love to see a RDU-SAN route! Most of my family is from the Raleigh area and it would be
easer to get there without connections. I wonder who would fly it? US? WN? BTW, I was at RDU last
summer and Terminal-2 is a beautiful terminal!
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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:43 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
RDU-BMA = American, 3 daily(?)

This must be a typo. That's the domestic Stockholm Airport.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
Current Routes that are being seeked:

RDU-SFO
RDU-SAN
RDU-SJU
RDU-SEA

Is AS considering adding SEA-RDU? This was discussed recently and several AS employees stated that RDU wasn't at the top of AS's list, IIRC.

What about RDU-SJC? Midway flew it for a short time. AA announced it, but it was never started. Maybe AS would be the best candidate to connect these high tech centers if they started SEA-RDU. Then again, AS didn't keep the similar SJC-AUS.
 
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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:50 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
This must be a typo. That's the domestic Stockholm Airport.

Sorry.. BDA...

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
Is AS considering adding SEA-RDU? This was discussed recently and several AS employees stated that RDU wasn't at the top of AS's list, IIRC.

If anyone, it would be DL or AS. Delta could connect to their SEA Pacific bank. AS could connect to any of their banks. But doubtful either would start it any time soon.

As far as RDU-SJC, I'm assuming they are looking towards UA or VX to connect to their hubs to be able to assure the flights go filled so SFO would trump SJC in that way....
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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
If anyone, it would be DL or AS. Delta could connect to their SEA Pacific bank. AS could connect to any of their banks. But doubtful either would start it any time soon.

DL and AS would code-share anyway so it doesn't really matter who's "metal" flies the route. I'd guess AS would do it and DL would code share on the flight.

Considering AS has added MCI, STL, AUS, ATL, MSP, IAH, etc from SEA over the past few years, I wouldn't put it past them to start RDU. AS's next city is a topic of frequent discussion on A.net. I would have guessed RDU before MCI, but they know what they are doing.

Off-topic of RDU's international service, but interesting nevertheless.
 
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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:13 pm

Quoting Indy (Thread starter):
With luck I will be relocating to the RDU area this summer

The 2 observation decks at RDU are going to be some of the best spotting you will see at an airport. Both of them offer some of the best places to watch the aircraft and the one in the GA terminal even has a diner on-site. Add to that the cheap parking and the ease of us, I think you will be higly satisfied with the airport. Plus, with the service available, it's a pretty decent array of non-stop destinations.

Unfortunately, I believe DL is done for now adding service but may pick up again in 2013 or so after they get their NYC flighs situated and figure out what's gonna happen to their remaining hubs. RDU will never be a hub or gateway, but may be a nice focus city of 55-65 daily flights. With that, I would love for them to add the following to get them to that level:

1x MSY CR9
2x MCI CR7
M/F FPO or NAS CRJ (to replace Vision)
Sat MBJ MD8
1x CR8 AUS
3w SFO 738 (to use the aircraft on the days it's not going to LAX)
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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:42 pm

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 7):
If I am thinking of the same time period you might be,

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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:31 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
RDU-YYZ = Canadian, 2 daily
RDU-YOW = Canadian, 1 daily

Any reason why YOW has service but not YUL ?
 
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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:49 pm

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 7):
That isn't international, at least not from RDU. But I understand why people often think it is.

Many Puerto Ricans would beg to differ on that!  
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RE: RDU International Service

Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:50 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 15):
Any reason why YOW has service but not YUL ?

I'm guessing it's because YOW is more of a high-tech center so that connects up with RDU more (sort of in the same category as SJC, AUS and to a lesser degree BOS and SEA). Amazingly, AC had a non-stop SJC-YOW for a short time too before they dropped SJC. They also did YYZ and I think YYC, but never YUL from SJC. Same reason.
 
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RE: RDU International Service

Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:40 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
Former service, in addition to above:

RDU-ORY = American, 1 daily
RDU-YYZ = Canadian, 2 daily
RDU-YOW = Canadian, 1 daily
RDU-NAS = American, Sat/Sun
RDU-CUN = Continental, Sat
RDU-MJB = American, 1 daily
RDU-BMA = American, 3 daily(?)

Don't forget Laker Airways (Bahamas) to Freeport with 727s and Midway Airlines to Cancun with A-320s, both in the 1990's.
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RE: RDU International Service

Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:52 am

Quoting PITrules (Reply 18):
Don't forget Laker Airways (Bahamas) to Freeport with 727s and Midway Airlines to Cancun with A-320s, both in the 1990's.

Yes, which is why I'm surprised why airlines like USA3000 didn't have any weekly flights to other Caribbean destinations from RDU. It's a shame really. But the service at RDU is quite nice for an airport it's size. I believe at last reporting, the make-up of RDU passengers was 48% business/52% leisure.. really good numbers for an airport it's size. And that was during the air travel downturn in 2008. It's probably gotten back more to the 50/50 mark.

So i guess this should bring up if there are any new rumors on RDU service. I would love to see something come up. Upgauge of equipment. New Route rumors. Anything.

I did ask a friend of mine who works for UA but it doesn't look like RDU-DEN/SFO on UA is coming anytime in the future.  very sad.
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RE: RDU International Service

Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:41 am

Quoting PITrules (Reply 18):
on't forget Laker Airways (Bahamas) to Freeport with 727s and Midway Airlines to Cancun with A-320s, both in the 1990's.

Just a small clarification - Midway never flew the 320's to CUN - only the F100's.


320's were used on BOS-RDU-FLL, BDL-RDU-TPA, RDU-LAX-LAS-RDU, and etc
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RE: RDU International Service

Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:09 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 8):
RDU-FRA

RDU-FRA would be fantastic if it happens. That would be the best possible route short of getting RDU-DUS.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 13):
The 2 observation decks at RDU are going to be some of the best spotting you will see at an airport. Both of them offer some of the best places to watch the aircraft and the one in the GA terminal even has a diner on-site. Add to that the cheap parking and the ease of us, I think you will be higly satisfied with the airport. Plus, with the service available, it's a pretty decent array of non-stop destinations.

That is excellent news. That is one thing I miss at IND. There just isn't a good place to spot here anymore since the new terminal opened. I can't wait for the opportunity to use the facilities on a regular basis.
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