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Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:28 am

Okay, I know there are many many questions asked on here every one on one of Delta's fleet. Of all the US carriers, I think they operate the most sub-fleets of any, and have the most modifications going on as of late so it makes things confusing for many members and travelers. I'll start from the top to bottom and let you guys know where everything's at as of 1 JAN 2012.

BOEING:
737-700
-10 Active, all with nose-to-tail AVOD/live TV and wifi provided by GOGO In-Flight
-All to receive EC by summer 2012

737-800
-73 Active, with approximately 30 frames equipped with nose-to-tail AVOD/live TV and 73 equipped with wifi
-All to receive EC by summer 2012

737-900ER
-Set for delivery beginning in 2013 with 12 in that year, 19 per year through 2017 and 12 in 2018.

757-200 (domestic PMDL)
PMDL 757s (600s-6700s)
-97 Active, with approximately 48 equipped with nose-to-tail AVOD/live TV (former Song a/c dubbed the 75X)
-Those with with overhead video will have their CRTs replaced with LCD monitors like those found on non-AVOD 763ERs
-All to receive EC by summer 2012

757-200 (75A)
PMNW ETOPS 757s primarily operating TATL and to South America
-8 Active, all equipped with wifi
-EC mod complete
-No changes planned

757-200 (75E)
PMDL ETOPS 757s primarily operating TATL and JFK-LAX/SFO
-17 Active, all equipped with nose-to-tail AVOD and wifi.
-EC Mod complete
-No changes planned

757-200 (75J)
PMNW 757s operating "Interport" flights.
-8 Active, with approximately 2 frames equipped with wifi.
-All to receive winglets (2 currently complete)
-All to receive EC by summer 2012

757-200 (75N)
PMNW 757s (5500s/5600s)
-19 Active, all equipped with wifi.
All to receive EC by summer 2012.

757-200 (75V)
PMDL ETOPS 757s primarily operating mainland-Hawaii
-4 Active, all equipped with wifi.
-EC mod complete (first in domestic fleet)

757-300
-16 Active, all equipped with wifi.
-Testbed for streaming/on-demand wifi options
-All to receive EC by summer 2012.

767-300
-16 Active (subfleet of 4 ETOPS frames operating mainland-Hawaii), all equipped with nose-to-tail AVOD/live TV and wifi
-All to receive EC by summer 2012

767-300ER
-58 Active, with approximately 6 frames having completed flatbed mods along with nose-to-tail AVOD.
-EC mod complete
-All to receive full flatbeds and nose-to-tail AVOD
-All to receive winglets (48/58 complete)
-A look at what the updated cabin looks like: http://blog.delta.com/2011/08/05/del...67-300er-fleet-getting-a-new-look/

767-400ER
-21 Active, all with full flatbed suites and nose-to-tail AVOD
-EC mod complete
-No changes planned

777-200ER
-8 Active, all with full flatbed suites and nose-to-tail AVOD
-EC mod complete
-No changes planned

777-200LR
-10 Active, all with full flatbed suites and nose-to-tail AVOD
-EC mod complete
-No changes planned

747-400
-15 Active, with approximately 1 frame (6310) having completed flatbed mods along with AVOD in Y.
-All to receive full flatbed suites and nose-to-tail AVOD
-EC mod complete

MD-88
-117 Active, with approximately 47 frames having completed F/Y cabin mods which add all new seats in FC (includes power ports) in addition to increasing the seat count by 2 (from 14 to 16); removal of Y galley and adding 5 YC seats.
-All to have F/Y cabin mods
-All to receive EC by summer 2012

MD-90
-29 Active, with 20 in storage pending MTC work
-All to receive nose-to-tail AVOD
-All to receive EC by summer 2012

AIRBUS:
319
-57 Active, all equipped with wifi
-Slimline seats to eventually be installed to increase Y headcount
-All to receive EC by summer 2012

320
-69 Active, all equipped with wifi
-Currently undergoing cabin mods to remove one row of F seats and add one row of Y seats.
-All to receive EC by summer 2012

330-200
-11 Active, all with nose-to-tail AVOD
-All to receive full flatbeds
-EC mod complete

330-300
-21 Active, all with nose-to-tail AVOD
-All to receive full flatbeds
-EC mod complete

*All numbers include the ACTIVE fleet, meaning ready to fly and not in storage. Active can also include a/c currently in HKG under-going interior mods (767s/747s).
*My numbers may be off here and there so guys, please update and fix errors that you find.
*There are 12 PMDL 757s in storage, 3 of which I question will return to service. 1 744 in storage that is slated to return to the fleet 3/2012. 9 PMNW 757s in storage, all of which I doubt will fly again; at least with Delta. All have been stored since the merger. Only 5 domestic 763s left in storage (all may slowly return by S12). 1 763ER in temporary storage.
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Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:35 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
MD-90
-29 Active, with 20 in storage pending MTC work
-All to receive nose-to-tail AVOD

Any idea of when? The flip down LCDs have been taken out of the original MD-90s, seems like it has been a long time since this was supposed to happen.

There are three 738s in storage.
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:09 am

Thanks for starting the comprehensive list....

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
767-300ER
-58 Active, with approximately 6 frames having completed flatbed mods along with nose-to-tail AVOD

All 7 76Ts have completed the mods; the last one (ship 1610) went back into service the last week of December.
 
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RE: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:30 pm

Quoting C767P (Reply 1):

Do you know what the ship numbers are? Thanks.

Secondly, I have no idea honestly IF or when that will happen. DL specifically went with the seats they did on the 90s because they are specially designed for the smart monitors. Even the F seats, although identical to the ones on the 88s, actually do not have powerports. They were to be temporary as well until the PTVs were ready then permanent seats that could hold the monitors would be installed in F. From a hard product standpoint, they have turned out to be the worst in the fleet IMHO. Like I said, even the 88s are getting seats with powerports in F.

BTW, I guess it really puts the screws to some mods that I use D E LT A in some thread titles  Wink

[Edited 2012-01-06 05:04:45]
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RE: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:32 pm

For the A319, do you know if the slimline seats will be Weber 5751 (DL's current slimline Y seat), or will they be the BE Aerospace Pinnacle like what is going on the A330s and 739ERs?
 
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RE: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:33 pm

Thank you compiling the information!

Is there a way (meaning work by someone   ) to track the remaining a/c modified to EC? How long does it take per a/c?

Thanks!
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:07 pm

You forgot DC-9-50 ___________
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RE: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:39 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
You forgot DC-9-50 ___________



I sure did. Well, I don't have my list in front of me but I BELIEVE there are currently 24 active. Those that are still around by S12 will get EC but that's about it. As a side note, DL is still removing 2-3 per month. If we go with the high number, there should be between 9 and 12 left by May. I'd guess the number will stick through the summer until the fall and winter slow-down then i'd bet they'll all be gone around Nov as planned.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):
For the A319, do you know if the slimline seats will be Weber 5751 (DL's current slimline Y seat), or will they be the BE Aerospace Pinnacle like what is going on the A330s and 739ERs?



I don't have the slightest unfortunately. I'm a little disappointed in the way the domestic cabin mods are moving although I understand it has A LOT to do with Delta's capex discipline. A lot going on with the international fleet right now, on top of winglet mods for the 757s and 767s. A bunch on behind the scenes IT stuff, etc. etc. My HOPE is that at the very least, all the NW birds that they plan on keeping will get the full cabin refresh found on most DL 757s and all the MD-88s. White cabin walls, new PSUs w/LED lighting. New side-wall lighting, etc. The current contrast between the PMNW a/c and the DL a/c is very annoying. At least for me.
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:56 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
767-300ER
-58 Active, with approximately 6 frames having completed flatbed mods along with nose-to-tail AVOD.
-EC mod complete

Sorry, I missed this. What is the "EC" mod? It must be fairly simple as almost all the aircraft have completed it.  

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RE: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:59 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 7):
I don't have the slightest unfortunately. I'm a little disappointed in the way the domestic cabin mods are moving although I understand it has A LOT to do with Delta's capex discipline. A lot going on with the international fleet right now, on top of winglet mods for the 757s and 767s. A bunch on behind the scenes IT stuff, etc. etc. My HOPE is that at the very least, all the NW birds that they plan on keeping will get the full cabin refresh found on most DL 757s and all the MD-88s. White cabin walls, new PSUs w/LED lighting. New side-wall lighting, etc. The current contrast between the PMNW a/c and the DL a/c is very annoying. At least for me.

With the 739ER order, I'd expect all of the 5500-series 752s are a goner, as well as the older PMDL 752s and some older A320s. No reason to update them if they will likely be replaced soon.
 
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RE: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:05 pm

Quoting airtechy (Reply 8):
Sorry, I missed this. What is the "EC" mod? It must be fairly simple as almost all the aircraft have completed it.

Economy Comfort (basically the same as Economy Plus on UA).
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:16 pm

Quoting polot (Reply 10):
Economy Comfort (basically the same as Economy Plus on UA).

Thanks.....duh!

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Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:08 pm

Quoting n501us (Reply 5):

Its actually done on an overnight I believe. Some a/c will loose a small number of seats to increase the EC pitch and others, all they have to do is shuffle around the seats a bit (Y headcount did not go down on the 75Es). Adjusting the seat mechanism to increase the allowable recline and adding the red seat placards under the overhead bin and put the blue EC seat overs on and that's about it.

I don't have any way of tracking it although someone else might but like I said, its a pretty straightforward mod and will be done quickly, just like the international fleet. Also, the 320 seat shuffle should be done in about a month and a half.
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RE: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:13 pm

Hopefully the new seat installations on the A319 fleet is a precursor to installing AVOD on them in the long run. The MD-90s (except the DL originals) have the modified Weber 5751s designed for the Panasonic Eco 9i Integrated Smart Monitors. Perhaps the same model (or the B/E Aerospace Pinnacle equivalent) will be installed on the A319s.
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:25 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 3):
Do you know what the ship numbers are? Thanks.

3705, 3716, 3717.
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:39 pm

I thought it was the A319 that was getting the row of first class seats removed. I have flown on a few A319s already with row 4 of FC removed. Since when has the A320 been destined to have a row removed?
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:49 pm

Also, on the MD-88, the OP's post says that they will get F/Y cabin mods. Does anyone know what mods will they get?
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:56 pm

Quoting CaptSkibi (Reply 15):
I thought it was the A319 that was getting the row of first class seats removed. I have flown on a few A319s already with row 4 of FC removed. Since when has the A320 been destined to have a row removed?

The A319s were reduced to 12 FC seats before the decision to add EC to the domestic fleet. After it was decided to add EC to domestic aircraft, they decided to reduce the A320 to 12 FC seats as well for the EC modifications.
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:21 pm

Just to add...the entire industry is dealing with sourcing issues on new seats. The manufacturers and MROs can't keep up. So lots of the "plans" will take longer to come to fruition than originally hoped. Its not just capex discipline.
 
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RE: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:23 pm

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 18):
Just to add...the entire industry is dealing with sourcing issues on new seats. The manufacturers and MROs can't keep up. So lots of the "plans" will take longer to come to fruition than originally hoped. Its not just capex discipline.

Perhaps this could be why DL is splitting its Y seat business between Weber and B/E Aerospace. Also, DL is a longtime Weber customer while NW was a pretty big B/E Aerospace customer.
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:53 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
757-200 (domestic PMDL)
PMDL 757s (600s-6700s)
-97 Active, with approximately 48 equipped with nose-to-tail AVOD/live TV (former Song a/c dubbed the 75X)
-Those with with overhead video will have their CRTs replaced with LCD monitors like those found on non-AVOD 763ERs
-All to receive EC by summer 2012

Per this press release from DL in Dec 2010 (http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1217), the domestic 757s were to be standardized on a 28-seat F cabin. Was that supposed to be a seat-only mod without adding AVOD? I couldn't tell from a previous thread: Delta Updates On Domestic Fleet Configurations (by n7371f Dec 16 2010 in Civil Aviation)

If it's a non-AVOD mod, that's somewhat disappointing, but I guess it makes some sense if the 739ERs are to replace some of those 757s.
 
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:42 pm

Quoting n515cr (Reply 20):

Yeah, I know about that too. It was posted internally late Dec 2010 but I didn't even mention it because I have no idea where they are at on that. Plan was for all a/c with 6 doors to get 28 F seats. I don't know if that was all new seats, the Weber seats found on the 75Xs with PTVs or the older ones found on the run of the mill PMDL 752s.

[Edited 2012-01-06 14:45:50]
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:48 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 16):

Just as I explained, what what they've been doing for months now. Removing the Y galley and adding 5 YC seats, and adding 2 F seats bringing the capacity to 16FC 133YC. As a note, the F seats are gutted also, as they are using new seats that have powerports.
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:51 pm

Quoting CaptSkibi (Reply 15):

Michman asnwered your question but just to add, all the 319s are now in 12FC configuration. The mods were completed quite some time ago.
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:56 pm

What kind of progress is being made on the winglet mods for the 757 fleet? How many have been done so far?
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:49 pm

Quoting bigbird (Reply 24):

It's going..sort of stalled out mid year so that they could ramp up the 763ER fleet but it should be picking back up again. By my count, 56 are complete including 2 a/c in storage. That number may be off a bit as my info is only as good as what I can see on a weekly basis. All will not get winglets but the majority of the fleet will. Don't count on any 75Ns or the older build PMDL 757s which there are quite a few pre 1990 frames. All the 1985 stuff flying around will no doubt be gone when the 739s come onboard.
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Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:57 pm

One of the 744s is done/about done? Hopefully we'll get a blog posting.

I am really interested to see what the interiors look like. The 767s feel like new planes, so I am hopeful the 744 will get the interior the frame deserves!
 
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:04 am

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 18):
Just to add...the entire industry is dealing with sourcing issues on new seats. The manufacturers and MROs can't keep up. So lots of the "plans" will take longer to come to fruition than originally hoped.

Probably why the flat-bed mods completion on international widebodies will be extended till 2014 (instead of a 2013 completion originally) unfortunately....
 
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:10 am

Quoting delimit (Reply 26):
I am really interested to see what the interiors look like. The 767s feel like new planes, so I am hopeful the 744 will get the interior the frame deserves!

Unfortunately, there are no plans to update the overhead bins on the 744 fleet. As far as I know, I believe only Boeing themselves offer a pivot bin mod for the main cabin of 744; all of the aftermarket kits (such as the 747 NuLook from Heath Tecna) only update the existing shelf bins. Pivot bin mods however are available for the nose and upper deck.
 
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:28 am

My only complaint is that DL will have an extremely inconsistent domestic product when it comes to IFE. Some planes have AVOD, some planes have drop down monitors and some planes have nothing at all. While some planes obviously won't be in the fleet long enough to be worthwhile, many others will be in the fleet for a long time.

I realize there's debate about the value of IFE on domestic flights, but the inconsistency does little in DL's efforts to market their product.
 
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Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:55 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 29):

Well its inconsitent now LOL. To be fair, I think if they had a bunch of new delivery a/c like say B6, they would all come with PTVs from the factory. That's been the case with all 10 73Gs and the two lates 738s.
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:23 am

Glad I read this thred - I typically try to book on A320 due to the perceived comfort, but with the reduction of 4 FC seats, I'll rethink that strategy. What happened to the plan of making the 738/A320/M90 roughly equal in capacity? Or is there a long term plan to use the A319/A320 on lower yielding routes?

Also difficult to understand why they would mod D9S seats if they would only be in use for a number of months.
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Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:37 am

Quoting moman (Reply 31):

They had to remove a row to make EC work. It was either that or greatly decrease the pitch in Y. As it is, most seats go to upgrades anyway so they're really now loosing anything while being able to offer EC and upsell when possible. There was no problem with the 738 because they all have slimline seats already.

As to the 9s, there is virtually no cost to just move around some seats so they will, and make some extra money while they're still flying. They painted some 40s only to retire them a few months later. Some 50s recently got heavy checks and they'll all be gone by the end of this year.
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:34 am

I'm flying DTW-GRU a week from today. Will I likely get the 767 with the old cabin?
 
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:07 am

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 33):
I'm flying DTW-GRU a week from today. Will I likely get the 767 with the old cabin?

Anything can change but for now i'l lsay it will most likely be a standard 767. I haven't seen a 76T operate DTW-GRU.
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:29 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 34):
I haven't seen a 76T operate DTW-GRU.

Looks like currently the 76Ts are currently on the following routes:

JFK-ACC
JFK-IST
JFK-ATH
JFK-BRU
JFK-BCN
JFK-SEA
SEA-PEK
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:37 am

Quoting FL787 (Reply 35):
JFK-ACC
JFK-IST
JFK-ATH
JFK-BRU
JFK-BCN
JFK-SEA
SEA-PEK
SEA-KIX

To add to the list

ATL-JFK (every couple days)
JFK-MAD (on again, off again)
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:37 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 34):
Anything can change but for now i'l lsay it will most likely be a standard 767. I haven't seen a 76T operate DTW-GRU.

Thanks. I suppose this means I'll just have to take a Dramamine on this leg  
 
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:41 pm

I'm guessing DTW is more convenient for you. Otherwise I would have suggested trying it through ATL next time. That's operated with a 764.
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:04 pm

Quoting delimit (Reply 26):
One of the 744s is done/about done? Hopefully we'll get a blog posting.

It's been delayed over and over again, hopefully by the end of this month it will make it back.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 29):
My only complaint is that DL will have an extremely inconsistent domestic product when it comes to IFE. Some planes have AVOD, some planes have drop down monitors and some planes have nothing at all. While some planes obviously won't be in the fleet long enough to be worthwhile, many others will be in the fleet for a long time.

I would say nearly every large airline is like this, UA, US, AA all have the same issues.

Quoting moman (Reply 31):

Glad I read this thred - I typically try to book on A320 due to the perceived comfort, but with the reduction of 4 FC seats, I'll rethink that strategy. What happened to the plan of making the 738/A320/M90 roughly equal in capacity?

The A320 will increase to 150 seats, the M90's and 738's will be at 160.
 
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 38):

I'm guessing DTW is more convenient for you. Otherwise I would have suggested trying it through ATL next time. That's operated with a 764.

The flight was booked late, and routing via DTW was the least expensive option that also was convenient in terms of arrival time into GRU. However, I did manage to swing the 764 via ATL on the return for the same ticket price  

Star Alliance is my preference, anyway.
 
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:42 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 40):

Gotcha. Well good luck to you!
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Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:53 pm

Are there any plans for the A330 to get a more up to date AVOD system to remove the large box under the window seats in Economy? I really don't like the lack of leg room although it does beat travelling on UA since there are no power ports for my laptop and I really enjoy the WiFi on DL.
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RE: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:06 pm

So, to summarize:

- The entire international fleet will get AVOD and lie-flats... except for the redheaded stepchild 75As and 75Js. Seems like a mistake to leave those out, since it's unlikely they'll be leaving... why not upgrade them to the 75E standard?
- The domestic fleet will remain a mishmash, although some more transcons and midcons will have AVOD eventually.
- Those poor Hawaii travelers will be stuck with those tired ex-ATA 757s for years, since they don't accumulate cycles quickly on that mission.

Too bad the money isn't there to go to an ex-Song-type product on the 753s and all the 738s, at the very least.
 
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RE: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:50 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 43):
The entire international fleet will get AVOD and lie-flats... except for the redheaded stepchild 75As and 75Js.

Small clarification; the 75Es (used for JFK-LAX/SFO and some transatlantics) will not get flat-beds, though they already have nose-to-tail AVOD. I think one of the problems is that no seat on the market today will allow direct-aisle-access for every J seat in the 757 J cabin (without sacrificing too many J seats).

Also, the number of 757s plying transoceanic routes is decreasing, and by next summer, they will mostly be on routes where i) Delta is the only nonstop game in town; and/or ii) there is very little premium traffic in those markets. The need or urgency to have a truly premium product on the international 757 will be increasingly less....
 
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RE: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:10 pm

According to Delta.com, today's flight DL128 from PEK - SEA is being operated by N175DZ and shows that it has the flat bed seats; so this may be the first aircraft to have been updated since the 76Ts were completed last month. It did operate it's last flight from SFO - NRT on Dec 3rd and then returned to service on Jan 5th, so I assume that it went to HAECO in HKG for the updates and installation of winglets.
 
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RE: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:15 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 45):
According to Delta.com, today's flight DL128 from PEK - SEA is being operated by N175DZ and shows that it has the flat bed seats

No, N175DZ does not have the flat-bed seats yet. If you check out the seatmap for DL128 today (9 Jan) you will notice that the J cabin is configured 2-2-2, which is the old cabin. Aircraft is doing DL183 SEA-KIX later today, and the seatmap also shows the old configuration.
 
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RE: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:39 pm

My mistake panamair. I was going by the flight details info , instead of the seating chart! So which 767ERs are next in line to be updated and are they still being done exclusively by HAECO?

[Edited 2012-01-09 11:38:55]
 
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RE: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 44):
Small clarification; the 75Es (used for JFK-LAX/SFO and some transatlantics) will not get flat-beds, though they already have nose-to-tail AVOD. I think one of the problems is that no seat on the market today will allow direct-aisle-access for every J seat in the 757 J cabin (without sacrificing too many J seats).

My mistake. Too much discussion of TATL 757s lately! I confused them with the PMCO birds that do have lie-flats.
 
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RE: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:36 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 32):
They painted some 40s only to retire them a few months later. Some 50s recently got heavy checks and they'll all be gone by the end of this year.

None of the DC-9 30/40s were repainted into DL colors, they wore the red tail until they were retired. Only the -50s were repainted. The last -50 received a heavy check in June 2011. They are now flying them until they roughly come due for the next cycle. They are are 24 now.

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