Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 157): SLC ? to what city? on what airline? The last time I checked there are ZERO. |
DL flies there seasonally to NRT.
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 158): AA @ ORD to Asia is barely viable. |
Theres a shocker.
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Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 155): Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 157): SLC ? to what city? on what airline? The last time I checked there are ZERO. DL flies there seasonally to NRT. |
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 151): Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 155): Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 157): SLC ? to what city? on what airline? The last time I checked there are ZERO. DL flies there seasonally to NRT. Not anymore. They dropped it for this Summer. |
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 144): ORD-LHR ORD-PEK ORD-PVG NYC-LAX NYC-SFO NYC-LHR MIA-EZE NYC - LAX/SFO : solution on the horizon (use A32x) ORD/JFK - LHR : solution is more BA-metal and less AA-metal Can't speak for MIA-EZE, but maybe a RASM thing ? (can't run a super sized front cabin with nothing but eVIP upgrades) |
Quoting Coal (Reply 113): Interesting to note that SQ 15/16 (SIN-ICN-SFO) and SQ 1/2 (SIN-HKG-SFO) are chock full with Indians connecting from other SQ/AI flights from India. Both routings also have codeshares with AI. |
Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 158): (though US Airways and Alaska do still have occasional mainline flights out of BUR). |
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 159): All of AS's flights to SEA are mainline. They aren't "occasional". |
Quoting FX1816 (Reply 160): AWE does not run occasional mainline flights to BUR, they have 2 daily flights on mainline, AWE472 and I can't remember the other one right now but we definitely work them through our airspace. |
Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 158): What do you think the odds are of AA returning to BUR like the other mainliners have done, but utilizing their regional brand American Eagle? |
Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 161): Poor choice of words on my part.. I recognize these are scheduled mainline flights. Perhaps "supplement" would have been a better choice of words.. ..but to the actual question? Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 158):What do you think the odds are of AA returning to BUR like the other mainliners have done, but utilizing their regional brand American Eagle? |
Quoting FX1816 (Reply 162): I could see that happening but where would they come from? Would people really want to fly on an RJ from DFW-BUR? I personally wouldn't care but many people probably wouldn't want to. Right now I believe that the longest distance for an RJ into BUR is from DEN and SLC on SKW. FX1816 |
Quoting FX1816 (Reply 162): I could see that happening but where would they come from? Would people really want to fly on an RJ from DFW-BUR? I personally wouldn't care but many people probably wouldn't want to. Right now I believe that the longest distance for an RJ into BUR is from DEN and SLC on SKW. |
Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 166): Prediction: All US/Canada based carriers will be forced to drop nonstop US-India service regardless of India's GDP and income growth. European carriers will struggle. Why? Emirates, Ethiad and Qatar Airways are trashing the North America/Europe to India markets just like they trash the Australia-Europe market hurting Qantas. Low fares, good service and the intrigue and shopping opportunities of a stop in the UAE. |
Quoting ripcordd (Reply 167): AA is looking to cut costs and BUR with just flights to DFW and being so close LAX it is a way to cut costs for the terminal gate fees etc and the employees. LAX can take all the extra passengers for no cost to the company |
Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 135): Interesting, this was one of the big money-losing routes that analyst Bob McAdoo cited several months ago in his report, that drew so much criticism on this board, that AA should drop immediately to help their financial situation. A lot of people doubted the accuracy of his report and while clearly he was spot in with this route it doesn't mean that all of his routes are accurate but it sure gives his report a lot more credibility right now! The other routes he cited as huge money losers that either needed to be dropped or capacity adjusted were: ORD-LHR ORD-PEK ORD-PVG NYC-LAX NYC-SFO NYC-LHR MIA-EZE |
Quoting EricR (Reply 168): International carriers with lower cost structures (and thus lower fares) or airlines propped up by government backing will increasingly have an advantage over U.S. carriers over the course of time. |
Quoting pnqiad (Reply 170): I would argue that fares are dictated by market than the cost structure - so if you can't bring cost structure in line to afford those fares - you won't survive. Another big reason for markets moving away from US carriers is their nickel and diming and poor service compared to non-US carriers like QR, EK.... |
Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 135): The other routes he cited as huge money losers that either needed to be dropped or capacity adjusted were: ORD-LHR ORD-PEK ORD-PVG NYC-LAX NYC-SFO NYC-LHR MIA-EZE |
Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 173): No one makes money on JFK-LHR |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 174): How can an airline not make money flying from JFK to LHR ? |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 174): |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 174): IF AA doesn't make money to LHR they shold have never purchased TWA's LHR slots but judging all teh things Crandall did he won much more then he lost and LHR is a winner. |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 174): BA flies 7 744 daily on it, all High J class with 70 seats each. Its a route which recently Continental paid $200,000,000 USD for 4 slots at LHR to fly there from Newark and Houston. |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 174): LHR from New York is the biggest international route in the world. |
Quoting STT757 (Reply 177): It was when only a couple airlines had the right to fly it, now it's the Trans-Atlantic version of NY-Florida. |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 178): Well not quite. For all the "open Skies" that happened in 2008 there are still only two US and 2 UK airlines from JFK to LHR, DL, AA, BA, VA, and UA, BA and VA from EWR. Air India is not "dumping" cheap fairs any more since they fly to India nonstop from New York |
Quoting STT757 (Reply 177): It was when only a couple airlines had the right to fly it, now it's the Trans-Atlantic version of NY-Florida. |
Quoting STT757 (Reply 179): Yeah but CO/UA are flying 5x daily from EWR and DL is flying 3-4x daily from JFK. Much more frequency than UA at JFK or UA+AA at EWR. |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 181): UA is flying from EWR with 4 757 & 1 777. Those 757 only have 16 J class seats each. DL is flying 3 767 daily, not a huge amount of seats or frequency. AA, BA and VA are the big 3 airlines on the route. |
Quoting STT757 (Reply 182): I'm demonstrating how much more service there is now than compared to 10 years ago. UA had 2x JFK and 1 daily EWR-LHR AA had 1 daily EWR-LHR and 5x daily JFK Now there's CO/UA 5x daily EWR-LHR and DL 3x daily as well as AA's 4 (soon to be five) x daily JFK-LHR. It's doesn't matter how many seats are on each aircraft, overall there are more flights and more capacity from the NY area to LHR now then there was 10 years ago. |
Quoting EricR (Reply 171): With regard to poor service, I agree with you. This is a shame. I think part of the reason is due to the cuts in pay/benefits that they have endured. These cuts have hurt employee morale and impacted customer service. |
Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 175): How can an airline not make money flying from JFK to LHR ? I might be able to see BA making money as I bet they get far more than "fair" share of premium traffic. But there is a lot of competition and capacity and fares can be low. |