|Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 183):|
Essentially - the author is suggesting an AA style "de-hubbing" at CDG to spread the traffic load more evenly and cut aircraft ground time.
You're essentially correct.
Unfortunately, the premises are completely wrong : our salaries are based on flying hours, not on duty times.
That single flaw int that article puts most of his demonstration on cost comparisons and the flaws of the hub concept completely askew... and...
When we need quick turn-arounds, believe me, we can do them ( see what's achieved on the shuttles ).
And then, the idea of a government conspiracy... sorry, another paper to the waste bin.
|Quoting varig md-11 (Reply 196):|
Thanks for biting to the hook: don't you think if you get rid of the 747 and standardize to 777 all these costs can be lowered? you bleed money....
Ridiculous : the crew costs are exactly
the same, the difference on operating costs could be for a volume effect on spares... but on the other hand, the maintenance people are past high point in the learning curve for the older aircraft, which is also completely amortized... Would you really bet on the overall costs ?..
Why don't you understand that the T7
is not the panacea you think it is and in quite a few cases, it runs second to planes you don't expect there. Your hook is made of candy, I'm afraid.
Somehow, you're also proving my point : you only see what you want to see and your prejudice ( here AF
management is made of morons who have no idea on airplane economics) is quite blinding.
|Quoting varig md-11 (Reply 196):|
Again you sort of prove MY point: fine, a quad is better than the 777 on JNB. But the fact is you did perfectly well with a 777 so that is possible
You are mixing two different things :
1/- a 343 is better than a T7
on hot and high airports and there is no argument
... it's a fact.
2/- when that sort of performance is not really needed in times of reduced traffic loads that can fit a T7
, by all means, use a T7
and put the 340 on African fields where its performance are needed.
...and typical response from someone who hasn't been there... When I did a stint at the hub, it was very interesting to find that there were a very few types of passengers who'd fill up the lists of complaints and customer-related incidents... the professional victims ... those who ordered but don't get ( systematically)... those who throw a hissy fit 'cause they weren't upgraded... those who'd argue for twenty kilos of extra luggage.... I had become quite cynical about the honesty of some people...so, yes, I will defend anybody who has valid reasons to complain, but when I get hold of a pax file which shows (exact figure on a real event) 47 instances (in the space of six years)... please don't take me for a fool.
|Quoting varig md-11 (Reply 196):|
You typically insist in saying your customers are so different (above?) U2 customers. D
See ? Much easier to distrust your adversary than to try and understand what he means. No. Ours and U2
clientele are different because our customers don't in general stop at ORY
... they go on to somewhere else. U2
clients are the typical O&D population... They did pick up quite a lot of our traffic (business people, for instance ), but they've come back because the slots are way better and the fares not that different.
Let's see what happens with lower ops costs and higher crew productivity.
Back to the original subject, ATWonline published the news to-day :
"By Cathy Buyck | January 13, 2012
Air France (AF) KLM Group on Thursday revealed its three-year "transformation plan" to bring the company back to profitability by cutting costs immediately by 1 billion euros ($1.27 billion) and rapidly reducing debt by 2 billion to 4.5 billion by the end of 2014.
The group said it will increase capacity by a little over 5% on a cumulative basis.
At AF, the plan includes freezing pay raises in 2012 and 2013. At KLM, plans include moderating wages, freezing new hires, implementing additional productivity measures, reducing overhead costs and making changes to the network. Negotiations with social partners are on-going.
The plan, which was initially outlined in November, builds on three priorities: restoring competitiveness through cost-cutting; restructuring the short- and medium-haul operations; and rapidly reducing debt (ATW Daily News, Nov. 11, 2011).
The company disclosed that in 2011 its short- and medium-haul network losses were around 700 million euros. The long-haul operations, also subject to increasing competition, cannot alone offset these losses, AF KLM said.
The company wants to restore its medium-haul business to breakeven by 2014 through a better utilization rate of aircraft and assets. It also wants to " improve productivity in all employee categories and extensively outsource some activities". It did not provide more detailed information but stressed its short- and medium-haul network remains "indispensable" to the group's development.
The quasi-stable capacity growth between 2012 and 2014, affecting both passenger and cargo operations, will lead to a reduction of its fleet and, consequently, its investment program, from more than 6 billion between 2009-2011 to below 5 billion over the next three years. Aircraft deliveries will be deferred and options will not be exercised without detailing which orders will be affected, it said. The investment reduction will not affect ongoing operational safety and customer service programs.
Thursday's statement did not mention layoff plans, although it is widely expected that job cuts, mainly at AF, will be announced after the upcoming French presidential elections.
For the six months ended Sept. 30, 2011, the group posted a net loss of 183 million, reversed from a 1.03 billion net profit in the year-ago period when earnings benefitted from a 1.03 billion gain from the sale of part of its holding in Amadeus.
I should add that the fleet reductions will come from the postponement of the deloveries of :
-3 320s from 2013 to2015
-1 773 from 2015 to 2016
-2 380s from 2014 to 2016,
and for the cancellations of 2 773 options.
So where is the so-called panic ? The plan has been known for more than two months.
On the other hand, nobody, but nobody talks about LH
as everything they touch turn to gold... or is it really :
- The sale of BMI
to the IAG
group for " a loss of 154 million euros for the first nine months of 2011
( comparable to AF
report, then ) due to rising fuel costs and social unrest in Northern Africa and Middle East
"... (That seems to be ringing a familiar bell, doesn't it ? )
-The complete disparition of LH
Italia which was supposed to give AFKLAZ a run for its money (!)
-the 20% reduction in personel costs in Berlin ( nice way of saying "we're laying off one in five of you lot !)
-The "restructuration" at Brussels Airlines which lost 80 million euros in 2011 due to rising fuel costs and political and social instability in Western Africa, especially in Ivory Coast where they were very strong
( It really seems to be ringing a familiar bell ! ) That restructuration will be very painful according to some union papers...
- The retirement of all 50 seat modules with Cityline, Eurowings... with hundreds of layoffs...
Better to holler the demise of Air France, it's more fun, I guess.
[Edited 2012-01-13 14:31:44]