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QF Inaugural A380 Service Sydney - Hong Kong 15/01

Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:58 pm

Hi all,

Surprised there is no mention of Qantas inaugural A380 service from Sydney to Hong Kong commencing today 15/01/12...

The aircraft with the honours to operate todays flight will be VH-OQI...

With the introduction of A380 on this route it will add an additional 20,000 seats annually and first A380 service on the route...

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RE: QF Inaugural A380 Service Sydney - Hong Kong 15/01

Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:48 am

I received information that the forward trip is not full, but the return trip is at 100%. I bet there is a strong media contingent on board that return flight
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Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:28 am

And what worth mentioned is that QF is the 4th A380 operator and 5th daily A380 services at HKG.   
 
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Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:12 pm

Quoting flythere (Reply 2):

Umm .. two I can guess, SQ and EK, the others ?
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Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:16 pm

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 3):
Umm .. two I can guess, SQ and EK, the others ?

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Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:19 pm

Quoting flythere (Reply 4):
KE 607/8

Ahhh .. Thanks Mate
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RE: QF Inaugural A380 Service Sydney - Hong Kong 15/01

Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:59 pm

So HKG now joins the rareified 4-operators club... along with PEK, NRT, JFK (also today with SQ, SIN-FRA-JFK) & CDG? With TG also rumoured(?) to send their first A380 on the BKK-HKG route later this year, HKG will be the first place to see 5 operators?
 
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RE: QF Inaugural A380 Service Sydney - Hong Kong 15/01

Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:19 pm

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 1):

Surprised the forward trip isn't full... QF is certainly hurting with forward bookings & its been a few months now since the airline returned to normal ops due to industry action disputes...

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Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:26 pm

Quoting flythere (Reply 2):

The A380 is currently only operating 4 times a week into HKG
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Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:36 pm

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 1):
the return trip is at 100%

And the next couple of weeks they are 100% full both ways in Y... F/J both look a bit dismal though.

Flying QF128 next Sunday night -- hoping to do a report if I can be bothered. My first A380 as well, so very exciting!
 
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Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:32 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 9):
hoping to do a report if I can be bothered. My first A380 as well, so very exciting!

Well I will look forward to reading it, will it be in Y/PY/J/F ?
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Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:53 am

Quoting StanleyJ (Reply 6):

Not if MH put their A380 on SYD-KUL, and CZ are putting thier A380 on thier SYD routes
SYD has QF, EK and SQ currently and will see MH and CZ very shortly. Maybe its a race  
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RE: QF Inaugural A380 Service Sydney - Hong Kong 15/01

Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:20 am

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 8):

What's the possibility of it going daily once Nancy Bird returns?

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Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:56 am

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 11):

MH is supposed to start with KUL-LHR in H2... they'll need a few more birds before they'll do KUL-SYD, especially if KUL-AMS takes precidence? I guess KUL-MEL would be last...

CZ still haven't made any noises regarding AUS (ie: SYD) and as far as I know though priority was still CDG and JFK? Hmmm.

So it's a 4-way race between SYD, CDG, JFK & HKG. Not bad on HKG & JFK getting this many operators yet doesn't even have a single local A380 operator yet (SYD has QF, CDG has AF)! HKG should get HX in 2015... JFK probably never will, in this decade anyway?
 
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Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:18 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):


What's the possibility of it going daily once Nancy Bird returns?

This is likely to be a Nancy special... after all she will have less performance than the other A380s and this will be the shortest A380 route for QF.
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Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:49 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
What's the possibility of it going daily once Nancy Bird returns?
Australian Business Traveller quotes Qantas saying "there are no plans for a daily A380 Hong Kong service at this stage."
 
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Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:54 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):
This is likely to be a Nancy special... after all she will have less performance than the other A380s and this will be the shortest A380 route for QF.

Don't quote me but I continue to hear her performance will not be dramatically effected by the repairs...

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Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
What's the possibility of it going daily once Nancy Bird returns?
Australian Business Traveller quotes Qantas saying "there are no plans for a daily A380 Hong Kong service at this stage."

Cheers... So no QF A380 daily... hmm... Better pick my dates right then when I plan my trip in March...

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RE: QF Inaugural A380 Service Sydney - Hong Kong 15/01

Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:39 pm

Quoting StanleyJ (Reply 13):
CZ still haven't made any noises regarding AUS (ie: SYD) and as far as I know though priority was still CDG and JFK? Hmmm.

In the CZ recruitment for SYD based FA's they made it quiet clear that the A380 was headed to SYD.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
What's the possibility of it going daily once Nancy Bird returns?

Only a matter of time really, as we move to a All A380 fleet, but at this stage, i think it will stay at 4/week. give it a year .
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Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:31 pm

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 10):
will it be in Y/PY/J/F ?

Y -- can't wait till the days of J/F come rolling around, but for now I'll have to be content down the back!

Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
What's the possibility of it going daily once Nancy Bird returns?

The word I'm hearing is that QF is only planning the A380 for HKG while they are updating the 744's and A330's (down the road). Long term plan -- double daily 744/A330. The A380 is primarily about the product...

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):
This is likely to be a Nancy special... after all she will have less performance than the other A380s and this will be the shortest A380 route for QF.
Quoting EK413 (Reply 16):
Don't quote me but I continue to hear her performance will not be dramatically effected by the repairs...

I've heard the same as EK413. The only weight increase comes from the need to reinforce the new panels, and the figure floating around the internet is 200kg (400kg if they have to equalise the other wing as well). In a 550t aircraft, that's nothing. That's the weight of two pax and their bags...
 
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RE: QF Inaugural A380 Service Sydney - Hong Kong 15/01

Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:19 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 18):
The word I'm hearing is that QF is only planning the A380 for HKG while they are updating the 744's and A330's (down the road). Long term plan -- double daily 744/A330. The A380 is primarily about the product...

A330's to receive the A380 interior upgrade too... Wonderful!

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Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:14 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 18):
The word I'm hearing is that QF is only planning the A380 for HKG while they are updating the 744's and A330's (down the road). Long term plan -- double daily 744/A330. The A380 is primarily about the product...

Putting the A380 on to HKG flights is a logical way to compete with Cathay Pacific, which arguably has better service.
 
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Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:24 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):
This is likely to be a Nancy special... after all she will have less performance than the other A380s and this will be the shortest A380 route for QF.

Over 200 KG surplus??

Don't think that makes a big difference on the longer routes!

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Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:16 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 19):

i have no idea where you heard this.... but the only thing inside the cabin, that is different between the A330 and A380, for a pax is, the colour of the seat coverings, the A330 has a Rockford Collins IFE system instead of the Panasonic and Skybed Mark 1. For crew, the difference is that we dont have coffee makers (Nespresso and Espresso Coffee Machines) for J-Class.
The rest is the same.....
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Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:27 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 19):
A330's to receive the A380 interior upgrade too... Wonderful!

It's something they're costing out at the moment, to start after the 744's have been through... It's not all good though, because the only reason for updating the A333's is in order to push the B789's further back/justify sending early planes to JQ.

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 22):
i have no idea where you heard this.... but the only thing inside the cabin, that is different between the A330 and A380, for a pax is, the colour of the seat coverings, the A330 has a Rockford Collins IFE system instead of the Panasonic and Skybed Mark 1. For crew, the difference is that we dont have coffee makers (Nespresso and Espresso Coffee Machines) for J-Class.
The rest is the same.....

Pretty significant list of difference from where I'm sitting...

J -- far superior hard product, with full flat (on an overnight QF128 out of HKG), far superior entertainment system, storage bins at the windows, greater sense of space (ie the pivoting bins rather than the A330 bins). Bathrooms, humidity and so on are all superior on the A380.

W -- basically the same, but with the new entertainment system and side storage bins at the windows.

Y -- greater legroom (perceived, it's probably identical on paper), much more comfortable seats, with the sliding seat bases and foot nets -- both of which make a real difference to comfort. Again, far superior entertainment system.

In any case, it's not about the service etc -- it's about the plane. The A380 attracts customers, and is a worthy competitor to CX's excellent A330 services. 20 year old 744's with angled lie flats and a 10 year old Y class product aren't going to cut it...
 
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Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:43 pm

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 22):

Have you read reply 18...?

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Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:29 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 24):

Sorry, i see now! anyhow no, A330's are not getting upgraded! 787's are replacing 767/330's .

Quoting qf002 (Reply 23):
Pretty significant list of difference from where I'm sitting...

J -- far superior hard product, with full flat (on an overnight QF128 out of HKG), far superior entertainment system, storage bins at the windows, greater sense of space (ie the pivoting bins rather than the A330 bins). Bathrooms, humidity and so on are all superior on the A380.

W -- basically the same, but with the new entertainment system and side storage bins at the windows.

Y -- greater legroom (perceived, it's probably identical on paper), much more comfortable seats, with the sliding seat bases and foot nets -- both of which make a real difference to comfort. Again, far superior entertainment system.

In any case, it's not about the service etc -- it's about the plane. The A380 attracts customers, and is a worthy competitor to CX's excellent A330 services. 20 year old 744's with angled lie flats and a 10 year old Y class product aren't going to cut it...

J- Class..... i listed the differences, Hard product wise. You need to re-read the post.
W-Class.... will not be put on A330 aircraft.
Y-Class..... the flights dont warrent to change the the seats. The Panasonic eX2 system is far better then Rockford Collins.. but again, it doesnt warrent a change.

Agreeds, the 747's do need a re-fresh.... but we were talking about the A330's...... also CX have had various complaints about their regional A330's Seating.  
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Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:17 pm

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 25):
anyhow no, A330's are not getting upgraded! 787's are replacing 767/330's .

That's what I thought as well, but word is that they are now considering keeping the A333's as international planes right through till 2020ish, when they're coming up to 18-20 years old. That would allow QF to shift the 787 deliveries to JQ/Asian Airline/domestic where they can make a great deal more money with them, rather than replacing 10-15 year old aircraft one for one.

Nothing is set in stone -- this is just something that's being investigated, according to the person I know. There's no final plans for any of the 787's as yet, and there is a lot of costing and research being done to figure out where different aircraft will be best placed as the market changes over the next decade.

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 25):
Agreeds, the 747's do need a re-fresh.... but we were talking about the A330's...... also CX have had various complaints about their regional A330's Seating.

OK, fair enough. IMO the fully flat beds and the public fascination of the A380 are the main selling points for the change. I wouldn't have booked QF over CX 6 months ago (assuming equal cost), but I would now (assuming the flight was an A380). In fact I did.
 
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Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:32 pm

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 22):
i have no idea where you heard this.... but the only thing inside the cabin, that is different between the A330 and A380, for a pax is, the colour of the seat coverings, the A330 has a Rockford Collins IFE system instead of the Panasonic and Skybed Mark 1. For crew, the difference is that we dont have coffee makers (Nespresso and Espresso Coffee Machines) for J-Class.
The rest is the same.....

The A380 is still attracting customers due to its prestige, and although perhaps not as significant considering its a short route, there is also the higher cabin pressure and lower noise.
 
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:01 am

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 27):
The A380 is still attracting customers due to its prestige, and although perhaps not as significant considering its a short route, there is also the higher cabin pressure and lower noise.

As a FA, i can tell you half the time they wouldnt know what aircraft they were on. As love as it is 'one of those aircraft with a tv in front of me' planes they dont really pay attention.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 26):
That's what I thought as well, but word is that they are now considering keeping the A333's as international planes right through till 2020ish, when they're coming up to 18-20 years old. That would allow QF to shift the 787 deliveries to JQ/Asian Airline/domestic where they can make a great deal more money with them, rather than replacing 10-15 year old aircraft one for one.

Nothing is set in stone -- this is just something that's being investigated, according to the person I know. There's no final plans for any of the 787's as yet, and there is a lot of costing and research being done to figure out where different aircraft will be best placed as the market changes over the next decade.

There have been many ideas floated for the future of the A333's, ofcourse they are going to be in the future fleet, but how they are used is a bit like the question, When are we getting the 787's.... no-one really knows.

The day someone knows when the 787 is coming and what the 787 is doing, should be put in the history books   its changes daily!!!!
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:21 am

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 28):
As a FA, i can tell you half the time they wouldnt know what aircraft they were on. As love as it is 'one of those aircraft with a tv in front of me' planes they dont really pay attention.

With the various twins out there I’d be inclined to agree, however I think the vast majority of people would notice that they were boarding an A380 and then if they do have a more comfortable flight they would retain that knowledge and associate comfort with the A380.

I know this debate has been done to death on here, I just see it slightly differently to most in that I think that the longer the A380 is in service the more likely people are to have a preference as more people will have experianced the difference. As an enthusiast I went out of my way to book my first A380 flight. Talking to fellow passengers while waiting and while on board it turned out to be a first for many others too, most of which had booked the flight without even knowing what type it would be. However those that I did talk too after said that they would make an effort to book the type again in the future, with cabin noise being the major difference they had noticed – no one mentioned the higher pressure.
 
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Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:37 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 16):

You are forgetting that Nancy is already one of the heaviest A380s out there (the first 20 or so were heavier than later ones) so an extra ton/2/3 plus an extra 200+kg does make her less suited to long flights. Just makes sense to stick her on the HKG route.
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:13 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 19):
A330's to receive the A380 interior upgrade too... Wonderful!
Quoting qf002 (Reply 26):
but word is that they are now considering keeping the A333's as international planes right through till 2020ish, when they're coming up to 18-20 years old

That way the 4 International A332's can be refitted as Domestic and replaced by 787's which on a route like AKL-LAX makes quite a bit of sense. That also doubles the QF domestic A330 fleet and gives it a consistent type to work with. Meanwhile the A333's can stay International alongside however many 787's are delivered to replace the A332's and the rest of them can go into JQ and JQ Asia where there are probably better returns to be had. The question then becomes what will replace the domestic 767's? Domestic configured factory direct 787's?
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:30 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 30):

You are forgetting that Nancy is already one of the heaviest A380s out there (the first 20 or so were heavier than later ones) so an extra ton/2/3 plus an extra 200+kg does make her less suited to long flights. Just makes sense to stick her on the HKG route.

Yes, she is an early build and slightly heavier than the NEW variants BUT why restrict an aircraft to a specific route due to the additional weight of 200Kg+... Sounds ridiculous if you ask me...

Quoting sydscott (Reply 31):
That way the 4 International A332's can be refitted as Domestic and replaced by 787's which on a route like AKL-LAX makes quite a bit of sense. That also doubles the QF domestic A330 fleet and gives it a consistent type to work with. Meanwhile the A333's can stay International alongside however many 787's are delivered to replace the A332's and the rest of them can go into JQ and JQ Asia where there are probably better returns to be had. The question then becomes what will replace the domestic 767's? Domestic configured factory direct 787's?

I was under the impression the B787 fleet will go to JQ and QF will receive the A332 fleet in return allowing the over due retirement of the B763 fleet which is looking tired...

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Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:06 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 32):
I was under the impression the B787 fleet will go to JQ and QF will receive the A332 fleet in return allowing the over due retirement of the B763 fleet which is looking tired...

Well if QF keeps the A333's and QF domestic gets the A332's from JQ and the A332's from QF International then that won't be enough to replace all of the 763's currently in service. So what happens to the rest?
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:20 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 32):
I was under the impression the B787 fleet will go to JQ and QF will receive the A332 fleet in return allowing the over due retirement of the B763 fleet which is looking tired..

The plan, updated by Joyce last year was for the first 15 B788 to go to JQ until the first B789 arrive. They would go to JQ replacing the B788, which would then go to QF.
It has changed serveral times, I actually think this is back to plan A and very very easily could change again before the B788 are delivered, let alone the B789s.

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Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:31 am

Quoting sydscott (Reply 33):

How many B787's on order...? 50...?
If that be the case then I only assume there will be a short fall of frames for international and domestic operations...

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Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:18 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 35):
How many B787's on order...? 50...?

It's either 30 or 45 on firm order (after 15 were cancelled) and options and purchase rights out to about 120 or so frames.

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Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:53 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 36):
It's either 30 or 45 on firm order (after 15 were cancelled) and options and purchase rights out to about 120 or so frames.

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So QF/JQ have reduced the order from a total 115 to 45 frames... Wonder what the original plan was for the B787 in the QF fleet...

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Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:55 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 37):
So QF/JQ have reduced the order from a total 115 to 45 frames.

No! They orginally ordered 45 or 60 frames (can't remember which), the rest were options and purchase rights. 15 B788 were cancelled, all the rest still stand, which takes the total down to around the 105 mark. The Boeing web site can give you more details.

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RE: QF Inaugural A380 Service Sydney - Hong Kong 15/01

Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:17 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 38):
No! They orginally ordered 45 or 60 frames (can't remember which), the rest were options and purchase rights. 15 B788 were cancelled, all the rest still stand, which takes the total down to around the 105 mark. The Boeing web site can give you more details.

IIRC, ordered 45, exercised 15 options, then cancelled 15.
 
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RE: QF Inaugural A380 Service Sydney - Hong Kong 15/01

Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:25 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 38):
No! They orginally ordered 45 or 60 frames (can't remember which), the rest were options and purchase rights. 15 B788 were cancelled, all the rest still stand, which takes the total down to around the 105 mark. The Boeing web site can give you more details.

The original order in 2005 was for 45 aircraft, with options for 20 and purchase rights for 50 more, or a possible total of 115. In 2007 the 20 options were converted to firm orders, and 20 of the purchase rights converted to options, leaving a total of 65 on firm order, 20 options and 30 remaining purchase rights. Then in 2009 15 firm orders were cancelled and 15 of the remaining orders were put back in terms of delivery date. As I read it now, they have 50 firm orders, 20 options and 30 remaining purchase rights, for a possible eventual total of 100 if all options and purchase rights are exercised.
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RE: QF Inaugural A380 Service Sydney - Hong Kong 15/01

Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:52 pm

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 28):
As a FA, i can tell you half the time they wouldnt know what aircraft they were on.

And having walked through HKG yesterday evening, I can tell you that QF have a rather large number of ads around the terminal with enormous pictures of the A380 flying over Sydney and the words "A380 by Qantas, non-stop to Sydney"...

Quoting sydscott (Reply 31):
That way the 4 International A332's can be refitted as Domestic and replaced by 787's which on a route like AKL-LAX makes quite a bit of sense.
Quoting sydscott (Reply 33):

Well if QF keeps the A333's and QF domestic gets the A332's from JQ and the A332's from QF International then that won't be enough to replace all of the 763's currently in service. So what happens to the rest?

Alternative view -- JQ's initial 15 788's get transferred over to QF Domestic, replaced by the first 15 789's around 2016. A333's stay with international, joined by some more A332's (also reconfigured, but later on). These then leave the fleet 2020-25 replaced by later B789 deliveries.

My guess is that the Premium Asian Airline will be a big consideration. If there are A330's already on their way (courtesy of MH) that are to be based in Asia, then QF will need to alter their fleet planning accordingly.
 
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RE: QF Inaugural A380 Service Sydney - Hong Kong 15/01

Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:47 pm

Quoting StanleyJ (Reply 6):
So HKG now joins the rareified 4-operators club... along with PEK, NRT, JFK (also today with SQ, SIN-FRA-JFK) & CDG? With TG also rumoured(?) to send their first A380 on the BKK-HKG route later this year, HKG will be the first place to see 5 operators?

There is a one-off Lufthansa 738/739 filed as A388 on March 25. Goes back to a B744 for the rest of S12.
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RE: QF Inaugural A380 Service Sydney - Hong Kong 15/01

Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 42):
There is a one-off Lufthansa 738/739 filed as A388 on March 25. Goes back to a B744 for the rest of S12.

Wow. Thanks for this info cloudyapple! Unfortunately for my friends, they fly out from FRA to HKG two days too early. C'est la vie! Anyway... just sending the A380 over for 1 day... what's the occasion?

In other news, CZ might be putting their A380's on a PEK-HKG route and being a short 2.5 hour flight, would make good use of the fleet when doing PEK-EUR/USA routes...

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2012-01/20/content_14479023.htm

So it seemed to take forever to get any A380's into Hong Kong (Summer '09 with SQ from SIN)... but by the end of this year, there may be half a dozen operators... wow!   

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