Rediscover Paradise - Caribbean Aviation Thread 94

BW424 · Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:30 am

My apologies guys for my absence on the forum. Been very busy of late since I'm interning at MIA. Was very fortunate to welcome 4C, now LA Colombia to MIA. LAN really has an impressive fortress at MIA!

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 146):
CAL will be resuming its service to London from the 14th June 2012 using two (2) B767-300ERs with state of the art cabins, which include in-seat power and video and flatbed Business Class seats. 1st aircraft to be delivered end of April, 2nd one at the end of May.

I wish them the best. I sincerely hope that this route is a success. I'm still iffy on the 2-plane subfleet thing. CAL is hiring for both their ATR and the 738. One thing to note is that the stipulations do not include requiring a TTCAA ATPL. You must have an ICAO issued ATPL with about 1000hrs on type. Seems we may be seeing some expats at CAL.

What do you guys think?

beeweel15 · Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:49 am

Quoting BW424 (Reply 150):
LAN really has an impressive fortress at MIA!

And their code share partner is AA plus they supposed to be moving over to T8 with AA here at JFK later this year. Dont know if TAM going as yet.

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guyanam · Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:39 pm

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 142):

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 140):

Andre says the flight fills up only 4 months of the year. The issue will be whether Colombians, Peruvians, Chileans want to vacation in BRazil because I just dont see why some one from Sao Paulo will fly all the way to PTY to get to BGI. And that is the biggest market in Brazil for potential tourists to BGI.

caribbean484 · Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:33 pm

Quoting BW985 (Reply 143):
Does anyone know there this 767 will come from?

Disregard my last post it is coming from Omni Air, looks like its an ex-Air New Zeland 763 config 24C/210Y.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 150):
CAL is hiring for both their ATR and the 738. One thing to note is that the stipulations do not include requiring a TTCAA ATPL. You must have an ICAO issued ATPL with about 1000hrs on type. Seems we may be seeing some expats at CAL.

Looks like a lot of the senior 738 pilots are going to be transferred to the 767 as well as the increase in props. Wonder if your friend Inbound is taking up the 767 or staying 738.

2travel2know2 · Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:50 am

Quoting guyanam (Reply 152):
I just dont see why some one from Sao Paulo will fly all the way to PTY to get to BGI.

There are passengers flying between GRU and POS already, distance-wise is like the same detour GRU-PTY-BGI.
What route would someone from SAO take to fly to POS then if the person can't be tied to one flight per week?
Inter-line via CCS? BEL-PBM-POS with PY?
While I can understand how skeptical good loads on a PTY-BGI flight sounds for someone in the Caribbean, a fact is that the Eastern Caribbean region - ourside the traditional inter-island and US/Canada links - is quite poorly connected to the rest of the continent and there is demand to links several major Caribbean airports with a place which offers a good hub connectivity with Latinamerica, regardless of how long a detour it might be.

Inbound · Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:54 am

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 153):
Looks like a lot of the senior 738 pilots are going to be transferred to the 767 as well as the increase in props. Wonder if your friend Inbound is taking up the 767 or staying 738.

Give me a month or two and I'll get back to you :-p

A388 · Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:57 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 154):
Quoting guyanam (Reply 152):
I just dont see why some one from Sao Paulo will fly all the way to PTY to get to BGI.

There are passengers flying between GRU and POS already, distance-wise is like the same detour GRU-PTY-BGI.
What route would someone from SAO take to fly to POS then if the person can't be tied to one flight per week?
Inter-line via CCS? BEL-PBM-POS with PY?

Well said, having a nonstop flight doesn't automatically mean, being the best option. In case of a once a week nonstop flight, a connecting flight from Brazil to BGI via PTY with a 3-4 times weekly flight is actually the better option. Flying via MIA is even a better option.

A388

2travel2know2 · Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:40 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 156):
a connecting flight from Brazil to BGI via PTY with a 3-4 times weekly flight is actually the better option.

Man, PTY-BGI thrice weekly or more even for me is too much for now.
I'm quite optimistic about a PTY (hub) - BGI link but a realistic one.
Lets see if CM wants to start the route, does twice weekly and what happens after that.

A388 · Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:39 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 157):
Man, PTY-BGI thrice weekly or more even for me is too much for now.
I'm quite optimistic about a PTY (hub) - BGI link but a realistic one.
Lets see if CM wants to start the route, does twice weekly and what happens after that.

Just to be clear, I was just giving an example. I was giving that frequency based on what I've seen in AUA and soon CUR.

A388

yellowtail · Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:42 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 156):
Flying via MIA is even a better option.

if you need a visa it is not

guyanam · Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:02 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 154):

They fly via PTY to POS because there is no direct GRU POS service. Also most of the people traveling to POS are business people who like daily service because of the flexibility. Most BGI bound passengers are likely to be family tourists. Long flights and change of aircraft dont work when you have small kids, strollers, etc.

FACT CM hasnt started service yet. FACT some one here said that BGI is begging them. FACT CM doesnt see it as having potential on a stand alone basis, and as you said they no longer do round robin flights combining two markets. I could buy an extension via POS but on its own....dont think so. Unless you can tell me that Colombians are dying to go to BGI.

And if CM does only 2X per week why will a Brazilian take them? Remember that the largest upscale market in Brazil come sfrom the Sao Paulo area.

A388 · Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:14 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 159):
if you need a visa it is not

You are aright, I forgot about that. That indeed doesn't make MIA a preferred option but it is an option nonetheless.

A388

2travel2know2 · Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:17 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 160):
And if CM does only 2X per week why will a Brazilian take them? Remember that the largest upscale market in Brazil come sfrom the Sao Paulo area.

If BGI is a SXM-like destination, maybe it'd be good to ask the Brazilians why do they take CM to SXM now then?
Another fact is that a major Brazilian tour operator consolidate passengers from all CM Brazilian gateways in PTY so to fly them to places like CUN, PUJ, SXM, AUA, HAV, ADZ, MCO.. Surely if CM ever flies to BGI leisure passengers from its gateways, be from Brazil or not, would make a good portion of the seats.
It's true that SAO is where the most upscale Brazilians live, but don't underestimate the numbers of those who can afford holidays on BGI who live in RIO, POA, BSB, CNF soon CWB. Brazil isn't all SAO (or RIO-like as a lot of people think)

guyanam · Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:50 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 162):

Well BGi is nothing like SXM. SXM has casinos, shopping and a very active nightlife. BGI is more for mature couples and families. No casinos and and the shopping isnt competitive, indeed Bajans shop in SXM. As andres will tell you Bajans are also very conservative people. St Maarteners barely exist.....immigrants way out number them.

Of course according to the GOL site they fly to BGI. They dont do SXM. Maybe thats why they use CM, after all using AA via MIA is even worse.

Also I am sure that SXM gets many Colombians who are very familiar with AUA and CUR so will know about SXM, another Dutch Caribbean island.

SAO is the largest metro area and the richest so the easiest market to penetrate.

It really doesnt look like CM wants BGI so why are you pursuing this argument. BGI ha s been chatting with them and there arent even rumors of them starting service as if they wee you would let us know.

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yellowtail · Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:30 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 163):
BGI ha s been chatting with them and there arent even rumors of them starting service as if they wee you would let us know.

That is absolutely not true. I have been at the same event where both were talking (recently). I am sure if you go to ROUTES next week you will see some rep of the BGI airport, private sector organization or the Gov't chatting up CM.

I know I will be there. C'mon...Atlantis for a few days, who would miss that!

andrefranca · Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:02 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 160):
dont think so. Unless you can tell me that Colombians are dying to go to BGI.

Colombians need visa even to visit their grandma on the backyard LOL, don't think they'd be feeders!
Checking the timatic they can stay on BGI up to 90 days, but regarding the way immigration and customs treat jamaicas I wonder how they'll treat colombians!

Quoting A388 (Reply 161):
You are aright, I forgot about that. That indeed doesn't make MIA a preferred option but it is an option nonetheless.

Everyone has american visas these days..... SERIOUSLY!

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 162):
If BGI is a SXM-like destination, maybe it'd be good to ask the Brazilians why do they take CM to SXM now then?

When you talk about SXM in brazil the immeadiate image that pops up is the "french chique" caribbean, so people here are really curious about SXM, my family and I visited the island many times and we love it!!!

Quoting guyanam (Reply 163):
As andres will tell you Bajans are also very conservative people. St Maarteners barely exist.....immigrants way out number them.

VERY TRUE, and in fact people there are less friendly than their borthers and sisters on CUR, AUA and EUX or BON.... after my bajan immigration fiasco I have nothing but fear to tell to friends! Even talked to the brazilian ambassador to brazil in BGI and DOM in person Mr. Jose, and he said he went through stress himself and that he "was taking measures" to stop it!

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 164):
That is absolutely not true. I have been at the same event where both were talking (recently). I am sure if you go to ROUTES next week you will see some rep of the BGI airport, private sector organization or the Gov't chatting up CM.

We've being listening these for a long time, the goes for GCM remember no one believed on CUR and now it will take place, only time will tell honestly!

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guyanam · Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:31 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 164):

Yes I said that BGI has been chatting with CM....some one here said they were. Any rumors of impending CM service yet?

yellowtail · Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:22 am

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 165):
We've being listening these for a long time, the goes for GCM remember no one believed on CUR and now it will take place, only time will tell honestly!

Trust me..getting new service (unless you are willing to write a big check) is a very long and time consuming process...a process that ebbs and flows...it does not happen overnight. Sometimes you think it will be announced next week, then someone with a checkbook jumps the cue...then you get close and the economy tanks. So much is actually outside of everyone's control. All a country can do is to keep at it. Hard work pays off.

Being part of the process myself from both the country and the airline end I can speak with authority on this matter.

westindian425 · Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:44 am

Quoting BW424 (Reply 150):
I wish them the best. I sincerely hope that this route is a success. I'm still iffy on the 2-plane subfleet thing. CAL is hiring for both their ATR and the 738. One thing to note is that the stipulations do not include requiring a TTCAA ATPL. You must have an ICAO issued ATPL with about 1000hrs on type. Seems we may be seeing some expats at CAL.

Oh really?! Interesting!

andrefranca · Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:03 am

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 168):
I wish them the best. I sincerely hope that this route is a success.

I REALLY wish them luck aswel! would be sad to see another BWI style fiasco on the london routes!

A388 · Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:22 am

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 165):
remember no one believed on CUR and now it will take place, only time will tell honestly!

On the contrary, I think many people believed, except CM. Now CM will take that step, finally Smile

A388

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baje427 · Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:08 pm

Until CM announces and the first flight touches down in BGI I will be skeptical immigration officers in BGI are a problem does anyone know how Brazilians have found BGI with the language barrier would be interesting to know.

yellowtail · Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:30 am

Quoting baje427 (Reply 171):
how Brazilians have found BGI with the language barrier would be interesting to know.

How the English tourists find the language barrier

andrefranca · Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting baje427 (Reply 171):
does anyone know how Brazilians have found BGI with the language barrier would be interesting to know.

No clue, when G3 said they'd drop SXM and keep BGI I though it was a joke!

guyanam · Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:32 pm

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 173):

I find keeping BGI and dropping SXM odd too. From what I understand CUR/AUA are popular with Brazilians because of casinos and ample duty free shopping. SXM offers the same product. BGI is different. Once you get past immigration (they have some truly hostile people with a genetic hatred of anything from the Caribbean (except Trinidad) and Latin AM) its a user friendly country, once people understand that its conservative (no casinos. no nude beaches, no topless, and conservative attire except at Crop Over). Good for mature adults and families. Less so for young adults looking to "wild out".

baje427 · Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:31 pm

As a Bajan I always wonder why people come here its not as natural as DOM or SLU its has no casinos and the beach can be had in any other Caribbean island. On another note does anyone know how the loads on HEL-BGI are on FI ?

guyanam · Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:40 pm

Quoting baje427 (Reply 175):

Its user friendly. Things work. You have almost 24 hour convenience stores available. No surprises. No drama. Just what a mature adult couple or a family will want. As some one told me when he was a young adult he went to Jamaica, but with a family he switched to Barbados.

That plus its easy to get to with many airlines flying there and the airfares are often quite competitive.

trintocan · Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:05 pm

Quoting baje427 (Reply 175):
As a Bajan I always wonder why people come here its not as natural as DOM or SLU its has no casinos and the beach can be had in any other Caribbean island.

Barbados does tourism very well and has a very high satisfaction rate, so you will find a lot of repeat visitors - it has one of the highest return rates among Caribbean destinations. It is very easy to get to (BA, AA, VS, AC and BW daily, many others besides), easy to get around, has beautiful beaches and the rugged East Coast which remains more natural and offers great surfing - plus offers lots of attractions for the visitor. This plus well-directed promotional work by the tourism authorities (pardon me, I do not know the exact name(s) of the agencies involved) and strenous efforts to maintain the quality of its product means that Barbados is a winner on all fronts. Furthermore Barbados' very English character is a major attraction for British visitors and overall, it is a very safe place to visit.

On another front it is interesting to see BW trying to get back to London Town by way of LGW. Can they pull it off given BA's virtual saturation of the Caribbean market with daily flights to POS, BGI, ANU and UVF plus high frequencies elsewhere? Add VS, ZB and BY plus those who fly via MIA to get AAdvantage points. I really hope it works but there is so much else around.

Trintocan.

guyanam · Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:50 pm

Quoting trintocan (Reply 177):

And then you must add the adverse impact of the APD which is leading to declining travle from the UK to the Caribbean.

LimaFoxTango · Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:38 am

LIAT has now reduced it's fleet by three aircraft. V2-LEF/LDU, -100's which were both owned by LIAT has been sold to another operator. One -300, V2-LGA is being returned to its lessors. The last remaining -100 in the fleet, LDQ, has been running the cargo flights for over a year is also on the market for sale. With this, LIAT now no longer operates any -100's in passenger configuration and the fleet is now 14 -300's. As this may seem as a downturn for LIAT, its being viewed as part of the "refleeting" process. Lets see what's to come in the future.

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8b775zq · Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:03 am

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 179):
LIAT has now reduced it's fleet by three aircraft. V2-LEF/LDU, -100's which were both owned by LIAT has been sold to another operator. One -300, V2-LGA is being returned to its lessors. The last remaining -100 in the fleet, LDQ, has been running the cargo flights for over a year is also on the market for sale.

What will become of the cargo ops if they're planning on selling the 100's even the aircraft in cargo config?

windian425 · Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:27 am

Quoting baje427 (Reply 175):
On another note does anyone know how the loads on HEL-BGI are on FI ?

These are charter flights for cruise passengers so they are all fully booked/sold out.

LimaFoxTango · Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:38 am

Quoting 8b775zq (Reply 180):
What will become of the cargo ops if they're planning on selling the 100's even the aircraft in cargo config?

The current plan is to use one of the -300's V2-LGH as a freighter. This aircraft has the ability to operate in a combi (20 pax extended baggage hold), or full cargo mode. There are also rumours of eventually outsourcing cargo anyway.

andrefranca · Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:24 am

Quoting guyanam (Reply 174):
From what I understand CUR/AUA are popular with Brazilians because of casinos and ample duty free shopping. SXM offers the same product.

I think they consider safety over casinos, our coast cities are taken by gangsters and the cops are always on strike, right now SSA and FOR look like racoon city from the resident evil game, things burning on the streets, gangsters taking over everything they can drag on the hands, so with strong currency now we now find abroad cheaper, safer and more hassle free than our former "golden coast" cities! and I remember SXM flights were often fully booked, don't know what happened maybe the acft wasn't helping in the end.... and they only had flights on the weekends!

2travel2know2 · Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:50 pm

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 183):
I think they consider safety over casinos, our coast cities are taken by gangsters and the cops are always on strike, right now SSA and FOR look like racoon city from the resident evil game, things burning on the streets, gangsters taking over everything they can drag on the hands, so with strong currency now we now find abroad cheaper, safer and more hassle free than our former "golden coast" cities! and I remember SXM flights were often fully booked, don't know what happened maybe the acft wasn't helping in the end.... and they only had flights on the weekends!

I agree, Brazilians now with an strong currency will choose to fly for beach holidays overseas over vacations in FOR and SSA (perhaps REC, NAT and SLZ are/might be in the same situation), specially if safety is a concern.
While the bulk of Brazilians may prefer holidays in the Spanish or Portuguese-like (=AUA, CUR, BON) speaking Caribbean, several English-speaking islands could benefit from the Brazilian leisure market, not only Jamaica and Barbados but Grenada, St. Lucia, St Kitts, Antigua, Cayman Islands and Belize could check what they could get from Brazil.
IMHO, it's a question of time even Cape Verde (SID) starts to get Brazilian (mostly Paulista) tourists.

baje427 · Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:43 pm

So where will LI get the resources to refleet the regional governments don't have the funds. The backlog for the ATR is large.

guyanam · Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:44 pm

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 183):

Yes I heard that. 130 murders in Salvador over a weekend! Not good as many were fearful of Rio for the World Cup and Olympics. This is getting wide spread publicity.

BGI has a reputation for safety...another of its attractions. Not that things don't happen but a big shoot out in the street is unlikely. Think most of the English speaking islands will need service by charters as I doubt there is room for year round schedules. BGI, MBJ, maybe POS if the business market allows it.

That is unless CAL starts service to GRU and then feeds to GND, and SLU via POS. I see this as making more sense than the nonsense of service to India, So Africa and Nigeria. Maybe G3 and BW can work out something so the flight gets good promotion in Brazil.

From what I know of Cape Verde Brazilians shoudl be quite happy. Same Afro Luso culture, except more laid back.....no burning streets run by gangsters.

Quoting baje427 (Reply 185):

LIAT is in big trouble and this is because they refuse to face facts. Their problem isnt CAl or its fuel subsidy. I doubt its "unprofitable destinations" that the bellyache about (after all how much damage can NEV, AXA and a few others be doing to LIAT?) Its about how their operations are structured. LI experts have the answers I am sure.

I dont know how adventurous Brazilians are but maybe multi island tours can be arranged with BGI as a hib and packages to nearby islands built. After all many who go to Hawaii visit more than one island...so why not the Caribbean.

This is what LI should be doing. An additional revenues source. But they prefer to whine and wail that T&T has no interest in pouring $$$ in to them, while allowing LI to do what it wants.

andrefranca · Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:16 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 184):
While the bulk of Brazilians may prefer holidays in the Spanish or Portuguese-like (=AUA, CUR, BON) speaking Caribbean, several English-speaking islands could benefit from the Brazilian leisure market, not only Jamaica and Barbados but Grenada, St. Lucia, St Kitts, Antigua, Cayman Islands and Belize could check what they could get from Brazil.
IMHO, it's a question of time even Cape Verde (SID) starts to get Brazilian (mostly Paulista) tourists.

I think the language barrier doesn't stop them neither, many many brazilians go to the US without knowing even the "to be" verb.... GND asks us visa, so they'd be out... I think if these islands come to brazil and start promoting a "caribbean chique" clean beaches with white sand blue clean ocean, sophisticated but yet affordable shopping, and currency facilities they'd take a lot of brazilians argentines etc... that's what AUA, CUR and BGI are doing here! so far haven't heard the same of NAS or GCM ...

We also need to apply for a capean verde visa, so I think it wouldn't be that popular! I can see loads of brazilians goin' to the bahamas and cayman if these islands used to promote themselves here!

Quoting guyanam (Reply 186):
That is unless CAL starts service to GRU and then feeds to GND, and SLU via POS. I see this as making more sense than the nonsense of service to India, So Africa and Nigeria. Maybe G3 and BW can work out something so the flight gets good promotion in Brazil.

That's a FACT, sorry but I don't know what kind of weed CAL smoked to think of Nigeria and India, I know the indian descent population in TNT is huuuuuuuugeeee! but still I don't know if they'd keep strong connections with their ancestors.... apart from the religion, food and manners etc...

guyanam · Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:54 pm

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 187):

India and Nigera/So Africa is pure politics. the PM of T&T wants to placate the Indians with flights to India. fearing the blacks will accuse her of racism she wants flights to Africa to balance out.

Meanwhile most Trinis will prefer a beach in RIO or seeing the rich heritage SSA (if you all get your criminals under control) than walking the dusty and dirty streets of Lagos or Mumbai.

8b775zq · Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:59 am

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 182):
There are also rumours of eventually outsourcing cargo anyway.

This confirms what I already knew..... LI has no idea what they wanna do or which direction they wanna go. This is the same cargo service they were crowing about and now wanna either reduce or outsource.

BW424 · Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:01 am

CAL has launched their remodeled website.

http://www.caribbean-airlines.com/

817Dreamliiner · Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:41 pm

Quoting BW424 (Reply 190):

hmmm not bad, like the intro song as well

trintocan · Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:57 pm

Quoting guyanam (Reply 188):

Meanwhile most Trinis will prefer a beach in RIO or seeing the rich heritage SSA

Good point! Do you remember David Rudder's calypso from 1986, "Bahia Girl"? That is SSA he's referring to. My mother has visited there and said that the cultural heritage was very strong and the similarity with the Caribbean was quite striking.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 178):
And then you must add the adverse impact of the APD which is leading to declining travle from the UK to the Caribbean.

Absolutely and unfortunately. Another thing, the Caribbean Governments are better off trying to find viable solutions for LI and perhaps continuing to do some promotional work overseas than spending precious money lobbying the UK Government to reduce APD. It simply will not happen. The UK is in a serious financial mess and with millions of unhappy voters who brought in the present Government to address high public sector spending among other things, the removal of a useful source of revenue is not a high priority. The only allowance which has been made thus far, apart from the exemption of flights within the Scottish Highlands and Islands (for whom air travel is a necessity), was a reduction of APD out of Northern Ireland because CO (now UA of course) were seeing poor loads on their BFS - EWR services because people were simply flying out of DUB to avoid the higher APD. Northern Ireland remains very sensitive politically in the UK - the same cannot be said about the Caribbean or air services to it.

Trintocan.

A388 · Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:10 pm

Hello everybody,

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A388

817Dreamliiner · Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:11 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 193):

Great pics as always!

Great that you got the KLM MD11 as well, not really a fan of it, but they're rare these days, so you got to catch them when you can

LimaFoxTango · Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:41 pm

I see CAL inaugurated their POS-SLU flight a few days ago. The flight was done with the Dash 8. I thought this was suppose to be an ATR route. Would've thought they'd want to show off their shiney new ATR's.

andrefranca · Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:35 am

Quoting BW424 (Reply 190):

I expected a more futuristic design anyways.... only changed a few features!

Quoting A388 (Reply 193):

I had the chance to fly klm's MD 11 from CUR, great experience!

LIA310 · Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:20 pm

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 195):

The SLU flights will be operated by the Dash 8's for now. The ATR's will eventually take over as more are delivered.

caribbean484 · Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:03 pm

Dispute between Taiwan and Grenada could result in airport closing
" The ongoing dispute between Taiwan and Grenada over monies reportedly owed by the Caribbean nation to its former Asian benefactor could cause the shutdown of the Maurice Bishop International Airport."
http://rjrnewsonline.com/news/region...enada-could-result-airport-closing

CAL will be getting from LAN CC-CML and CC-CDM.

A388 · Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:18 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 194):
Great pics as always!

Thanks 817Dreamliner.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 196):
I had the chance to fly klm's MD 11 from CUR, great experience!

Well, catch them again while you can because they will disappear before you know it.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 198):
CAL will be getting from LAN CC-CML and CC-CDM.

Nice, congratulations to Caribbean Airlines. Is a delivery date already known? Will they do regional route proving flights first before being put on the London route?

A388

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