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Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:52 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsZqN-uEgQU

Never saw a tougher landing for a Jet as big as an A320! What say you?
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:04 pm

Phew! Thanks for posting, I was holding my breath!
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:04 pm

I want an apartment in one of the houses at 6:35 to 6:40 if I ever were to live in Bhutan .
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:16 pm

RWY 15 at Paro...
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:32 pm

By looking at both ends of the runway, taking off is not fun either.
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:35 pm

Quoting EK156 (Thread starter):
Never saw a tougher landing for a Jet as big as an A320! What say you?

Great video (I had seen it before, but always good to rewatch it!). Don't forget, of course, the pilots will be well used to landing and departing there.

[Edited 2012-01-23 04:39:14]
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:06 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 5):
the pilots will be well used to landing and departing there.

IIRC there are only 8 pilots worldwide certified for that approach!
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:08 pm

That is a really impressive approach!
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:09 pm

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 6):
IIRC there are only 8 pilots worldwide certified for that approach!

Even if true, the vast majority of those that fly there will likely be experienced in doing so. This doesn't mean it's less challenging, just that they may be fairly used to it.
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:04 pm

Yes, I would say it is very high on the list of the most difficult airports...

The scenery is awesome and IIRC nothing bigger than A320 is certified to land there.

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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:11 pm

Wow! Awesome to watch over morning coffee! Thanks
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:27 pm

Quoting EK156 (Thread starter):
Never saw a tougher landing for a Jet as big as an A320!

A5-RGF is an A319!  
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:40 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
Wow! Awesome to watch over morning coffee! Thanks

Same here, glad to be living here in NYC.
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:52 pm

Awesome footage...! INN is just as challenging and spectacular but not quite as this.
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:01 pm

I'll go in half with you!!!!!

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 2):

I want an apartment in one of the houses at 6:35 to 6:40 if I ever were to live in Bhutan
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:23 pm

So what happens if the weather conditions are less perfect than in the video? Like fog plus rain plus gusty wind plus night?
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:39 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 15):
So what happens if the weather conditions are less perfect than in the video? Like fog plus rain plus gusty wind plus night?

It's probably like Tegucigalpa, must be clear daytime VFR or the flight doesn't even depart heading to it.
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:05 pm

While TGU / MHTG - Toncontin at Tegucigalpa in Honduras is consistently rated as the toughest approach in the world by professional pilots, I'm sure if more flew into PBH / VQPR Paro, Butan it would take the title.
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:10 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 16):
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 15):
So what happens if the weather conditions are less perfect than in the video? Like fog plus rain plus gusty wind plus night?

It's probably like Tegucigalpa, must be clear daytime VFR or the flight doesn't even depart heading to it.

...indeed.
They're used to diverting and there is a suitable alternate that they also use for Tech stops 70nm away in India.

Actually, their operating hours are quite restricted, from midday you generally start to have lots of wind with some interesting windshear in the valley...
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:53 pm

Never could make a decent landing even in MSFS!
It is the hardest place to land.
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:09 pm

I remember watching a documentary about Druk Air on Discovery Channel in around 1995-1996. Back then they only had 146s and it was just as impressive. Completely flown by hand, they use the various houses as aiming points for the different stages of the approach.

Always wanted to visit PBH just to sample this approach.
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:11 pm

Quoting EK156 (Thread starter):
Never saw a tougher landing for a Jet as big as an A320! What say you?

Even if it's not actually the toughest landing in the world, it's definitely in the top few.
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:21 pm

As I recall, there was a nice contest between Airbus and Boeing for the Drukair order, in which both airframers brought their best performers (A319 and 737-700, both with high-thrust options) into Paro to demonstrate their capabilities. The A319s replaced BAe 146s.

I don't think an A320 could handle this terrain.

[Edited 2012-01-23 11:22:32]
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:14 pm

In the OPs video, the callouts "Hundred Above" and "Minimum" are missing. Is this due the airline's configuration, or because it's not an ILS approach? Any A319 pilots here to clarify? Thx.
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:21 pm

[quote=konstantinkoll,reply=23]In the OPs video, the callouts "Hundred Above" and "Minimum" are missing. Is this due the airline's configuration, or because it's not an ILS approach? Any A319 pilots here to clarify? Thx.


Probably due to the Ground Proximity being deactivated to silence annoying terrain warnings. This, of course, is my assumption so still subject to confirmation by more competent A.netters.
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:15 am

Quoting konstantinkoll (Reply 23):

There's no minimum necessary when doing a visual approach like this, hence the missing callout. As for the "hundred above", I believe this is a company option anyway, so won't hear it on all the Airbusses. Though in this case you wouldn't hear it anyway since there's no minimum set.

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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:27 am

Quoting chuchoteur (Reply 18):
Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 16):
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 15):
So what happens if the weather conditions are less perfect than in the video? Like fog plus rain plus gusty wind plus night?

It's probably like Tegucigalpa, must be clear daytime VFR or the flight doesn't even depart heading to it.

...indeed.
They're used to diverting and there is a suitable alternate that they also use for Tech stops 70nm away in India.

Actually, their operating hours are quite restricted, from midday you generally start to have lots of wind with some interesting windshear in the valley...

This brochure
on the Paro Automatic Weather Observation System says that
  • For several months of the year, dense and often unpredictable cloud cover reduce visibility over Paro to the point where it is necessary for Druk Air to postpone flights or, in the absence of an alternative airport in Bhutan, to abort landing at Paro and land overnight instead at Calcutta. ...The approach to Paro airport is difficult from both directions. The airport is situated in a steep valley running between two mountain ridges. At one end of the runway two valleys merge creating an area sometimes effected by strong and unpredictable winds. The approach from the alternate end of the main runway has a sharp dogleg in the valley just before the end of the runway.
There's another YouTube video of a Falcon 900B approach to Paro runway 15 where a pilot with a subcontinent accent talks another pilot through the aiming points and rate of descent. I love it when the approach is: "head for the monastery... just aim for the second house... do you see the green patch... come closer to the house..." There's video of an A319 approach from the other direction, to runway 33, and another. Plus countless more videos if you go looking!
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:57 am

Stick and rudder!!!!
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:55 am

Quoting konstantinkoll (Reply 23):
In the OPs video, the callouts "Hundred Above" and "Minimum" are missing. Is this due the airline's configuration, or because it's not an ILS approach? Any A319 pilots here to clarify? Thx.

"minima" to proceed with the approach are at 12500 ft )
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:24 am

What an amazing video. Those pilots are great sticks!

Love the random "Holy Shit!" I heard as they were making the final right turn, before the left turn to final!
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:32 am

Great video, the final left turn at 100ft seems scary if you are in the back. What is the automated callout that can be heard after RETARD RETARD? Sounds like Tires?
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:41 am

Quoting LHRSpotter (Reply 30):
What is the automated callout that can be heard after RETARD RETARD? Sounds like Tires?

The computer says: 'FIVE'. 5 feet to go, same as the 100, 50 etc...

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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:58 am

Apparently, It takes 11 months of special training for any pilot to fly into & out of Paro. It took a further 7 months of special re-programming of the Airbus cockpit computers in order to allow the 319s to take off and land at Paro."

Check out my trip report on here:-
Druk Air/Royal Bhutan:BKK-PBH-BKK In J (by xtra1 May 13 2011 in Trip Reports)?threadid=190069&searchid=190069&s=druk#ID190069
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:19 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 31):
What is the automated callout that can be heard after RETARD RETARD? Sounds like Tires?

The computer says: 'FIVE'. 5 feet to go, same as the 100, 50 etc...

Thanks Wilco, I've never heard a 5ft callout on other videos but maybe I wasn't paying enough attention.
 
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RE: Could This Be The Most Difficult Landing Ever?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:02 pm

As a Cessna pilot the thing that hits me first is the steep ridges on BOTH sides of the runway. I have often landed at airports with one on one side, but never both. The one I am most familiar with, Middlebury, VT, has a steep (but much smaller) ridge to the east of the runway; pilots are strongly advised that if the wind is from the east it is suicidal to try and land there (and I have never tried.) I cannot imagine what it would be like if the wind were across that valley. Even with the wind parallel to the valley would be extremely interesting, as there are numerous hills off each end to liven things up. My hat is off to any pilot who has mastered this airport.
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