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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:39 am

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 83):
Quoting jetfuel (Reply 64):
Virgin Australia Boeing 777-300ER VH-VPD arrived in AKL today for mx

In AKL for a new coat of paint in the VA scheme?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:06 am

Yes i hope they have done their homework as a 400 seat 772 will be touch and go out of OOL.

CZ and OOL airport agreed that their 280 seat 777-200's could not make OOL-CAN fully laden .So SIN about 75 mins shorter can.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:45 am

Quoting WLG787 (Reply 99):
Scoot to the Gold Coast 5 times per week

Why JQ hasn't started this route already is beyond me! It's an obvious connection into their SIN hub from an airport that is all JQ and already sees JQ A332's. It'll be interesting to see if JQ now launch it in response to Scoot.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:52 am

im surprised that no-one has posted this... a good read.
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:09 am

Quoting sydscott (Reply 102):
Why JQ hasn't started this route already is beyond me! It's an obvious connection into their SIN hub from an airport that is all JQ and already sees JQ A332's. It'll be interesting to see if JQ now launch it in response to Scoot.

Because they don't have any spare 330s.

not sure what the JQ response will be, but I can see D7 moving to BNE and taking over MH ops.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:07 am

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 104):
Because they don't have any spare 330s.
Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 104):
not sure what the JQ response will be, but I can see D7 moving to BNE and taking over MH ops.


Very true about the lack of JQ/3K A330's being available.

Given that D7 were reporting marginal yields at best when they had the market to themselves, I would see them moving on also.

In this case the 'win' of Scoot may just see D7 cancel flights, taking things back to the same end result anyway. Will have to wait and see what D7 do now, but given past statements about their OOL flights, I am not sure they will want to fight that one out with other priorities likely to be more valuable.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:27 am

What benefit would the D7/MH group have in transferring their BNE flights to D7 when SQ is so strong here? IMO, a replacement shouldn't be the only option - D7 should grit its teeth and stick at OOL, or just swap its services to BNE. Keep MH flying to BNE with the current timings, then have D7 fly in with roughly the same arrival and departure times they currently use at OOL. They shouldn't shy away from giving SQ a challenge - yes, up to 3x daily flights compared to what? 5x weekly? (Or is it daily? I cant quite remember as I sit here on the train going home typing this on the iPhone).

Sounds like D7/MH are giving up against the likes of SQ, EK, EY and CX just to name a few - the tail seems to be moving to between the legs quite quickly.

Yes, I may be an armchair CEO at times, but the fight needs to taken to those other airlines. A few tweaks of their on-board prouct and they could well have a product that either matches or betters the likes of SQ, CX, and the like. And coupled with the choice of arrival and departure times (see SQ), and they'll quite likely be on a winning combination. Dont go changing a product that is full service with a low cost one - what benefit would that be to potential pax? None, exxept for a few dollars in their pockets. Against - 2 tickets to Europe and most of Asia, less personal space on the aircraft, and whatever else.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:32 am

Yes being a SE QLD local(Brisbane northern suburbs) i also have to scratch my head in regards to MH/D7 and the selection of OOL for D7 over BNE.

I travelled with D7 in 2010 OOL-KL and return.With the extra coach transfers from BNE and getting up at 0400 am to catch a 0855 flight from OOL and to sit in those narrow economy seats to save a few hundred dollars.No way anymore and too old for that.I have also noticed that Air Asia X airfares have been steadily rising as well ,so really not that cheap anymore.Now with no onward connections to Europe not sure if as many pax will need to use D7 anymore.

If D7 were to replace MH at BNE then how will you get to the UK or Europe ??.I doubt that would happen.

D7 has made MEL and PER work very well so i can't see how they cannot make BNE work.

Yes i agree with Bluebird 191 and have BNE as a port for both MH and D7.One in the morning and one at night.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:59 am

A couple of times I have gone through security at OOL for my NZ flight at the same time as the Air Asia X one.

My observation was that well over 80% of the passengers were inbound tourists from Asia, and clearly as with Japan services their destination is the Gold Coast, not Brisbane.

I would imagine that if the flight was switched to Brisbane it would lose any viability.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:59 pm

No since BNE lost BI i would assume there is quite a market there for a LCC carrier as BI was heavily used out of BNE to both the UK and Asian destinations.Yes we sat next to a Asian on our return flight and he was a student in BNE but used Air Asia X because it was cheaper even if he flew to OOL.
There are stats on all of this and i was privy to this info at TQ before i retired.

Anyway time will tell.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:03 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 104):
Because they don't have any spare 330s.

Sure they don't now but they've had opportunity in the past to start it when they took delivery of new A330's. But instead they opted for routes such as AKL-SIN and MEL-SIN-PEK. Given OOL is all JQ and already has AKL, NRT and KIX, I'd have thought OOL-SIN was an obvious addition instead of say AKL-SIN. We'll see how Scoot goes on the route. If it's successful I'm sure we'll see JQ respond in typical QF Group fashion.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:27 pm

D7 just couldn't make OOL work- it started off well, then went sour especially compared to their MEL/PER flights. It's not so much of a potential battle with Scoot- the route just doesn't work. However, if MH abandons BNE, expect D7 to take over and forego MH European on-carriage- MH aren't that big a player on BNE-Europe.

BI BNE: they weren't low cost, but very value-for-money. Surprisingly, BI were the largest BNE-LHR pax carrier. Their fare seasonalities were sometimes different which meant they were much more affordable during certain shoulder fare periods.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:29 am

You are right BI was not a low cost carrier, however the fares were very economical

[Edited 2012-02-07 19:32:15]
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:30 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 94):
I am suprised SYD didnt work, what was their problem with SYD?

Next to no local market for them to tap into, and BI is unable to compete with the likes of QF/BA, EK, EY, SQ, TG, KE etc in terms of connections through to Europe.

On another note -- I don't see Scoot doing well out of OOL, at least initially. 1600 seats a week is a lot of capacity, especially with very few connections through SIN (unless they utilise SQ, but I thought they said they wanted to maintain some distance between the two).
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:41 am

Scoot have said that their next two cities will be in Asia - if those cities are Beijing and Shanghai, they could offer connections from those cities to SYD and OOL. One or two of the planes could operate like the JQ MEL-SIN-PEK flights. But operate SYD-SIN-PEK. Will they give people a long wait in SIN on the PEK-SIN-SYD leg?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:58 am

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 111):
MH aren't that big a player on BNE-Europe.

not quite right:
top MH markets for BNE

Malaysia
United Kingdom
India
Thailand
China
Vietnam
Ireland
Indonesia
Netherlands
Germany
France
Italy
Philippines
South Africa
Sri Lanka

a few european ones in their, but there probably will come a time when D7 BNE-KUL flights will feed onto MH flights to Europe anyway.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:01 am

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 114):
Will they give people a long wait in SIN on the PEK-SIN-SYD leg?

QF itself needs to get back onto SYD-PEK and start building the direct services!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:19 am

Re MH BNE: sorry, I'll rephrase... MH flights might have a high number of LHR pax, but compared to all the other carriers carrying pax on that route, it's not that high overall.

BNE-VIetnam... lies, damn lies, and statistics LOL! My data shows SQ has that market cornered- nobody else even comes close (BI was the #2).
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:10 pm

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 101):
Yes i hope they have done their homework as a 400 seat 772 will be touch and go out of OOL.

CZ and OOL airport agreed that their 280 seat 777-200's could not make OOL-CAN fully laden .So SIN about 75 mins shorter can.

Yet they can make it to BNE? The only reason I would assume this is because of the length of the runway at OOL.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:40 pm

Yes i was talking about the runway length.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:58 pm

Question for those with more information -- there seems to be quite a large number of QF domestic cancellations occurring at the moment (ie the last few weeks), and I'm wondering what is causing them?

The cancellations seem to be pretty spread out across the country, and don't seem to match up to bad weather or anything like that... Is this some random late aftereffects of last year's industrial action, or are there some mx issues floating around, or ... ??
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:32 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 120):
Question for those with more information -- there seems to be quite a large number of QF domestic cancellations occurring at the moment (ie the last few weeks), and I'm wondering what is causing them?

I think that Virgin has very skilfully taken advantage of Qantas' sudden lockout of its own passengers.

John Borghetti has rushed through the refit of all the old 737s in the Virgin fleet to install Business Class and that weird purple partition. The risk for him was that Qantas high-yielding pax who switched to Virgin in November 2011 would return to Qantas because Virgin would return to being an LCC with three rows with adjustable middle seats at the front.

But the whole Virgin product has moved quickly upmarket, from uniforms and livery to the Business Class product and also the ability to buy all-inclusive Economy fares.

I certainly don't think that Qantas is being wiped out, simply that Borghetti is having a real go at out-Qantas'ing Qantas.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:09 am

Quoting koruman (Reply 121):
I think that Virgin has very skilfully taken advantage of Qantas' sudden lockout of its own passengers.

Not sure that that's got anything to do with these cancellations. I doubt QF would be cancelling flights to RMA (which VA doesn't even fly to) in response to competitive pressures, as they have been.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:41 am

Guys,

The QF cancellation rate is no more than normal.

Some of the QF cancellations recently are QFLink fights that are disrupted due to the flooding in western QLD and parts of NSW.

Infact QantasLink operated a flood relief flight to Moree:

http://www.news.com.au/business/qant...-town/story-e6frfm1i-1226267645898

Thanks

[Edited 2012-02-09 22:46:02]
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:34 am

Can someone identify the airline of the left (red tail, triangle in crescent) that I spotted in Melbourne on 3rd Feb?



Been searching hard online and I can't identify the airline. Melbourne does seem to get some interesting visitors!

Thanks!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:52 am

Quoting allrite (Reply 124):

It's Atlasjet, I believe that plane is operating for Air Australia.


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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:03 pm

^^ Correct. Operating for VC In a hybrid Saudia-Atlasjet livery. Talk about an identity crisis 

Those pix just show how much the A330 dominates at MEL and many other airports these days. In those pix, that's all you can see (GA, D7, JQ, VC, VN).

[Edited 2012-02-10 04:04:42]
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:28 pm

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 125):
It's Atlasjet, I believe that plane is operating for Air Australia.
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 126):
Operating for VC In a hybrid Saudia-Atlasjet livery.

Thanks guys!

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 126):
Those pix just show how much the A330 dominates at MEL and many other airports these days.

Very true in Australia. I was getting sick of flying A330s. At least we still have a few 747s around! Apart from the A380s two other aircraft worthy of note on that day were the SQ 744 at MEL and a Thai 744 in retro livery in SYD. Thai seemed to have replaced their Airbuses with 747s - It's probably been mentioned somewhere but I barely have the chance to read much A.net these days.  
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:43 pm

Yes it's atlasjet. Air Australia lease that aircraft to fly between BNE and MEL.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:13 am

Hi all,

Just a few Qantas fleet updates:

QF B734 VH-TJO has been retired and departed Australia.

QF B763 VH-OGE has been retired and departed Australia.

QF B744 VH-OJT will head to China this weekend for repainting.

And finally new QF 737-800 VH-VZX entered service this week, VH-VZX is the 57th B73H in the QF fleet.

Cheers
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:31 am

Quoting vhebb (Reply 129):

i would love to see the ZX series depart Australia!!!!!!!
Honestly, The ZX's must have more cycles on them then the OG's ??? Can anyone help here.... im just the flight attendant not the engineer  ... well sometimes  
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:03 am

Looks like QF will be dropping FRA, JFK on Thursday according to this:

JFK-services?s=e36f7352ac79713dd1308e6996156719&p=460476#post460476" target="_blank">http://nycaviation.com/forum/threads...308e6996156719&p=460476#post460476

Any rumours about that the airline will be actually adding new destinations or increased services with their own metal, or are they going to continue this slow disappearance from the skies?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:38 am

If QF was gonna cut JFK and FRA wouldn't they have done it a few months ago when the Intl restructure was announced?

Both JFK and FRA were rumored to be cut even before last years restructure.

AJ has stated that JFK is performing better since being switched from B744 to A330.

Could be an interesting week.....
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:37 am

Quoting vhebb (Reply 132):
Could be an interesting week.....

Yep, it will be interesting to see what the reaction to any changes are, and especially after Joyce today stated that he believes the grounding was "a positive" for the image of the Qantas brand?!

Whether or not you agree with the grounding, the plans to restructure Qantas or the industrial action, to say that the 48 hour shutdown of the airline was an improvement to the brand's image is crazy! The smh.com.au readers here seem to agree:

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...as-brand-joyce-20120213-1t0nz.html
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:41 am

Quoting sierrakilo44 (Reply 131):
Quoting vhebb (Reply 132):

I'm very skeptical. They're going to be very busy working with the major changes occurring over the next 6 weeks to LHR to worry about dealing with more cuts and the subsequent media fallout. If these cuts are to go ahead, I would expect them at least 6-8 months apart, since they're both such high profile destinations...
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:06 am

Quoting sierrakilo44 (Reply 131):
Looks like QF will be dropping FRA, JFK on Thursday according to this:

Dont know what to make of this, weather to belive it or not, I think some one in this thread said they might drop Frankfurt for Berlin, how is the SYD/FRA flight doing? If they drop JFK what will happen with the 332 that does the LAX/JFK section of this flight?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:16 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 135):
If they drop JFK what will happen with the 332 that does the LAX/JFK section of this flight?

It would just sit on the ground at LAX for half a day like a lot of the QF fleet already does every day (unless, as has been rumoured from time to time they decide to hand AKL-LAX over to Deathstar).
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:05 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 135):
Dont know what to make of this, weather to belive it or not, I think some one in this thread said they might drop Frankfurt for Berlin, how is the SYD/FRA flight doing? If they drop JFK what will happen with the 332 that does the LAX/JFK section of this flight?

JFK route is pointless, could definately see it going, you still have to land and clear customs in LAX and change planes...you may as well just connect onto AA (apart from QF international config aircraft being the superior product to fly on), but especially now that a lot of passengers travelling to east coast now get routed via DFW.

FRA is interesting, personally I could only see them dropping it in place of a service to Berlin, as the loadings to FRA have generally been good. The possibilities of AB and connecting flights after joining OneWorld may sway QF to switch cities in Germany.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:32 am

Quoting sierrakilo44 (Reply 131):
Looks like QF will be dropping FRA, JFK on Thursday according to this:

Also it has been rumored that they will announce job cuts on Thursday.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news...rs-in-a-world-of-pain/2454271.aspx

What I particularly love about this article is that while it's about ANZ announcing yesterday that they will cut 1000 jobs, the first sentence reads:

"More big employers, including Qantas, are poised to shed workers across Australia"

ANZ isn't even mentioned until the second paragraph! QF bashing a la max...
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:18 am

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 137):
JFK route is pointless, could definately see it going, you still have to land and clear customs in LAX and change planes...you may as well just connect onto AA

I don't know, with NYC being a major source of premium pax for both AA and BA it makes sense for QF to keep the route open on their own metal. From a network perspective it's probably not that costly to operate since you already have plenty of crew @ LAX and the additional pax QF would pick up who don't want to fly AA to connect, along with cargo, should be enough for the route as a stand alone to break even.

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 137):
FRA is interesting, personally I could only see them dropping it in place of a service to Berlin, as the loadings to FRA have generally been good.

With the investment QF have made into building FRA it seems a shame to drop the route to Germany entirely. Again, from a network perspective and a hub perspective @ SIN it doesn't make sense to have your only onward connections being LHR and BOM. If you want the hub to flow you need more onward connections not less.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:23 am

Quoting sydscott (Reply 139):
the additional pax QF would pick up who don't want to fly AA to connect

But what are their options? UA and DL.

If QF stopped flying to JFK I'm sure some regulars on the route would grumble, but I doubt they would out-right refuse to fly AA, especially when the only competition to AA is of the same standard (DL) or inferior (UA) [my opinion]
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:30 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 140):
But what are their options? UA and DL.

Yeah but my point is why would you fly UA or DL to connect to a QF flight? You wouldn't. UA and DL are both bigger and stronger in New York than what AA is but the question for QF is what does this flight bring to its network at LAX? If the answer to that is not much then the flight will be killed. If the answer is that it brings presence on QF's own metal in a premium heavy market at an airport that both AA and BA have a significant presence at then the service will stay. But if the JFK-LAX tag isn't bringing a decent number of premium pax and cargo to LAX for onward QF services then the service will be killed off.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:43 am

Surely QF would only ditch JFK if it allowed them to redirect a decent part of their NYC traffic to bolster the DFW flights? This could only work though (IMO) if the return was nonstop to SYD (unlikely for at least 18 months, if not longer).
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:01 am

Melbourne's international terminal is at breaking point at several times the day. A recent flight that arrived 15 minutes early from New Zealand resulted in a 50 minute wait for a gate. There weren't even remote stands readied to cope with such a situation.

The fact is that while we all love the integrated terminal layout, the international terminal's expansion opportunities are severely limited. I've been shouted down about this before but MEL is simply going to have to build a new international terminal and turn T2 into either a shared facility or into a QF/Virgin operation. Perhaps it could become the terminal handling all widebody domestics?

Regardless, T2 simply isn't going to cut it in the medium/long term.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:20 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 143):
Regardless, T2 simply isn't going to cut it in the medium/long term.

It doesn't cut it today, and theres no room to grow at T2, so medium/long term something has to change. T3 needs to become International, or atleast multi-use (Int/Domesic), and any move to only leave it as a doestic terminal in the upgrade will be extremely dissapointing.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 143):
A recent flight that arrived 15 minutes early from New Zealand resulted in a 50 minute wait for a gate. There weren't even remote stands readied to cope with such a situation.

Ive seen this occur also, with GA and CA on a recent visit. The airport even had to move 2 X JQ, QF, BI and EK jets to reote spots to free up gates. Watching planes continue to flood in when the planes were still waiting was abit comical, and frustrating for all involved I am sure.

Its all good trying to save a few dollars in capital expenditure, but when you lose airlines/pax because of it, the airport and the city are the real losers.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:58 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 144):
T3 needs to become International, or atleast multi-use (Int/Domesic),

Why not build out the second pier of T1 and move the QF/JQ International services over there? Sure you'd need to find a place to put the Qantaslink flights but it would have the advantage for QF of having everything under 1 roof. Of course the disadvantage is that you'd have to build a gate big enough to fit an A380 into which could be problematic.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:01 am

Quoting sydscott (Reply 145):
Why not build out the second pier of T1 and move the QF/JQ International services over there?

Actually that could be a pretty good stop-gap/permanent solution. Is there room at T1 to build a third (international) pier?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:04 am

Same thing is happening at BNE domestic.Qantaslink now use the common user terminal with their leased Alliance Fokker 100 flights.

Talking of Fokker 100 ,Virgin commenced their operations out of BNE with Alliance Fokker 100's 6 times a day to ROK,PPP,NTL and CNS yesterday.

Over the past week DJ have increased their BNE flights by a extra 6 departures a day.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:45 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 146):
Actually that could be a pretty good stop-gap/permanent solution. Is there room at T1 to build a third (international) pier?

Not really, without demolishing several buildings and possily having to build over the roadway to Sunbury.

Theres more scope to move South than there is in an east direction, mainly because of the runway allignment.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 145):
Why not build out the second pier of T1 and move the QF/JQ International services over there?

Theres already a 2nd pier at T1, which is usually at max capacity these days also.  
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 58

Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:11 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 143):
I've been shouted down about this before but MEL is simply going to have to build a new international terminal and turn T2 into either a shared facility or into a QF/Virgin operation.

There's still the extension of the infield terminal to go (northwards) which would add 4-5 gates in the short-medium term according to the Masterplan.

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/2884/melroads.jpg

^ look closely, T3's main pier as it is now will disappear, with the recent expansion to T2 a new "bubble" was built to the north just after passport control, the master plan has another to be built to the south - and going by the crude example in that pic, the old T3, will become a short-haul international terminal (probably fit 6 737s around it) which would probably suffice over the long-term for Trans-tasman and near south pacific and DPS where 737s/320s can fly to - I say it's going to be a T2 expansion because it's right next door to the current passport control/immigration facilities and it's a natural way to expand international services and keeping them in the same area.

Details are going to be released for the new T4 and subsequent new T3 in the next few months.

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