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Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:41 am

One of the coolest and most elaborate special liveries is now gone. N792AS, the former "Salmon-Thirty-Salmon" has now been repainted in normal Alaska livery. It is truly sad to see the Salmon go, but the hand-painted livery was starting to show it's age. Alaska has many great special liveries - but this one will be missed!


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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:54 am

It's age was really showing, but it still looked really cool! She (the paint that is) will be dearly missed!!!
 
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:45 am

Bummer - sad to see it go. Even more of bummer is the fact that I never got a photo of it.  
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:52 am

Hope to see a new and shiny Salmon Thirty Salmon Eight Hundred before too long.
 
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:11 am

I cant seem to find the trip report from the WN pilot who posted it (I believe he "self deleted" himself and some postings due to a brouhaha about taking pics from the cockpit below 10K ft), but he was in SEA (I think) when the livery was first revealed, and WN dispatch was able to send all 3 Shamus to SEA that day since orcas eat salmon  

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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:16 am

Quoting BWI757 (Reply 4):
WN dispatch was able to send all 3 Shamus to SEA that day since orcas eat salmon

True, but would you rather be a tourist attraction stuck doing tricks in Sea World, or a wild salmon enjoying beautiful Alaska waters?  
 
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:19 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 3):
Hope to see a new and shiny Salmon Thirty Salmon Eight Hundred before too long.

There is talk they are trying to work something out so hopefully it becomes reality.
 
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:54 am

Quoting BWI757 (Reply 4):
I cant seem to find the trip report from the WN pilot who posted it (I believe he "self deleted" himself and some postings due to a brouhaha about taking pics from the cockpit below 10K ft), but he was in SEA (I think) when the livery was first revealed, and WN dispatch was able to send all 3 Shamus to SEA that day since orcas eat salmon  

If I remember correctly, that was when WN had FIVE Shamus flying around and the story is they sent them all through SEA that day. WN had just painted the current -700s and the two former -500s were still around.
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:12 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 7):
If I remember correctly, that was when WN had FIVE Shamus flying around and the story is they sent them all through SEA that day. WN had just painted the current -700s and the two former -500s were still around.

Clearly, the salmon has eluded the orca pod and continues to thrive and proliferate at SEA  
 
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:44 am

Awww. That was probably my favorite special livery out there. Thankfully though I was really fortunate to have seen it more than once in my very limited opportunities. And I have some nice pictures of it to remember by.

Hopefully there will be another great special livery coming along.
 
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:46 am

Shame it's gone. It was the only AS livery that I hadn't gotten to fly yet. (I had photographed it many times but each time alas, the flight was not my own)
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:34 am

Oh well. There will be many others that will go away because AS is supposedly getting rid of their 737-400's. So we'll probably say goodbye to the rest of the Disney theme airplanes and State of Alaska airplane. Maybe AS will bring a couple of them back on 738's or 739's. I'm sure there will be opportunities for new theme airplanes.
 
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:08 am

Quoting BWI757 (Reply 4):

I cant seem to find the trip report from the WN pilot who posted it (I believe he "self deleted" himself and some postings due to a brouhaha about taking pics from the cockpit below 10K ft),

Was that "-Mark"? I always wondered what happened to him here.

Quoting BWI757 (Reply 4):
but he was in SEA (I think) when the livery was first revealed, and WN dispatch was able to send all 3 Shamus to SEA that day since orcas eat salmon

Cool.  

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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:50 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 12):
AS is supposedly getting rid of their 737-400's.

They are still going to be around for a while. A few are getting phased out here and there as the -800's come in. Speaking of - we are getting a pair of -800's in the next few days - both with the new Sky interior.
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:09 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 12):
Oh well. There will be many others that will go away because AS is supposedly getting rid of their 737-400's. So we'll probably say goodbye to the rest of the Disney theme airplanes and State of Alaska airplane. Maybe AS will bring a couple of them back on 738's or 739's. I'm sure there will be opportunities for new theme airplanes.

Well technically the newest Disney theme plane is on a 739 and the Alaskaair.com and 75th anniversary planes are both 738's. I'm sure at some point they will put some of those liveries on the 734's onto something else.

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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:22 am

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 14):
They are still going to be around for a while. A few are getting phased out here and there as the -800's come in. Speaking of - we are getting a pair of -800's in the next few days - both with the new Sky interior.
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 12):
There will be many others that will go away because AS is supposedly getting rid of their 737-400's.

A good chunk of the -400s will at least be here through 2016 according to the leases. Unless for some reason we cut the lease early, or of course extend them for any reason.
 
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:03 pm

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 14):
Speaking of - we are getting a pair of -800's in the next few days - both with the new Sky interior.

Yes...I saw the first one land at Boeing Field after the flight over the hill from Renton earlier in the week. It's still over at the Boeing Delivery Center at BFI as of yesterday afternoon.

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 6):
There is talk they are trying to work something out so hopefully it becomes reality.

I hope so. That would definitely make my day!

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 16):
A good chunk of the -400s will at least be here through 2016 according to the leases. Unless for some reason we cut the lease early, or of course extend them for any reason.

Sounds like a sign of a healthy airline when they have to keep existing resources to support current ops or further expansion. I had totally forgotten that AS had fitted most (if not all) of the 734's with Gogo Internet.
 
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:23 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 13):
Was that "-Mark"? I always wondered what happened to him here.

David. He had pictures of the tarmac that day too! His username was a variation of 737


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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:46 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 17):
Sounds like a sign of a healthy airline when they have to keep existing resources to support current ops or further expansion.

It also doesn't hurt that in this market, classic 737s are hard to re-lease when there are plenty of 737NGs out there for airlines to choose from, and the leasing companies go to great lengths to get you to extend them.
 
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:49 pm

I remember working at QX when that bird was revealed with the new scheme...remember working on Q400s at the C gates and they'd have that big silver fish parked right next to the old Horizon spot 13 and 14 from back in the day, and the sun would hit that 737 in a certain way and she would literally sparkle.

Sad to hear, but hopefully a new incarnation of that livery will return.
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:00 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 9):
Clearly, the salmon has eluded the orca pod and continues to thrive and proliferate at SEA

Not anymore!   Just saw Shamu the other day in Vegas...
 
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:14 pm

I must say the AS special schemes are excellent. I saw Tinkerbell in the sun at SEA and she was beautiful. I'll miss the salmon-37. Thanks AS!
 
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:23 pm

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 19):
It also doesn't hurt that in this market, classic 737s are hard to re-lease when there are plenty of 737NGs out there for airlines to choose from, and the leasing companies go to great lengths to get you to extend them.

Actually, decent low-cycle 737NGs are quite hard to come by in the second hand or leasing market. Lessors would be ecstatic to extend leases on Classics, since it would be difficult to cover the cost of reconfiguring for a new operator with the current market lease rates.
 
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:26 pm

Quoting sxf24 (Reply 23):
Actually, decent low-cycle 737NGs are quite hard to come by in the second hand or leasing market. Lessors would be ecstatic to extend leases on Classics, since it would be difficult to cover the cost of reconfiguring for a new operator with the current market lease rates.

I think we are in agreement on the classics part. I was referring to the fact that it was a no brainer for AS to extend the 3 -400s because the lessor has all the incentive to do so since it's hard to re-place these aircraft anywhere else.
 
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:19 pm

Well, so they just painted over $500,000 worth of taxpayer money. Nice..

For those who don't know/remember, the US Federal Government gave Alaska Airlines half-a-mil to paint this thing. This was approved by the Bush administration during his term. And gee, no one in the Federal Government can find anywhere to cut spending.

Nice plane, yes. But really?

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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:41 pm

The paint job was only anticipated to last 5 years, so it's not like the repaint was a needless waste.
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:51 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 25):
Well, so they just painted over $500,000 worth of taxpayer money. Nice..

As EA CO AS said, airplane paint jobs only last so long. I think a typical paint job is 7 years and this one being specialized only went 5.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 25):
Well, so they just painted over $500,000 worth of taxpayer money.

Not quite. The paint job actually only cost $375k and AS paid $75k worth of it which is about the cost of a normal paint job. The grant picked up the remaining $300k.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 25):
Nice plane, yes. But really?

I completely understand where you're coming from. Yes it came from taxpayer money. However to play devil's advocate, this was probably the best bang for their buck in ever promoting Alaskan salmon. A billboard ad for a month in a downtown metro area can easily run you $100k. This ad cost $500k, got 5 years of usage, and likely was seen by 10 times more people than a typical billboard in any city.
 
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:09 am

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 25):
Well, so they just painted over $500,000 worth of taxpayer money.

  

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 25):
And gee, no one in the Federal Government can find anywhere to cut spending.

Yep, a 5-year, $300K investment to promote two industries (one very much struggling) is SUCH a waste

Gimme a break.
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RE: Farewell Salmon-Thirty-Salmon!

Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:17 am

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 25):
Nice plane, yes. But really?

No, not really. A political column (especially from the Seattle Times) is not the most accurate source for these things. The amount mentioned - much like the rest of the article - was blown WAY out of proportion.

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 27):
Not quite. The paint job actually only cost $375k and AS paid $75k worth of it which is about the cost of a normal paint job. The grant picked up the remaining $300k.


  

This is correct. And - I've been told the livery was supposed to last 3 years, they got double that (technically 6 years and 3 months). Not bad by aviation standards.
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