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formigueta
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:19 pm

It seems as if VY had agreed with the Catalonian government to replace all JK fligths. VY summer schedule has so many more frequencies to those destinations operated by JK. BCN-BIO 9 daily frequencies. Nice job!
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:21 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 49):
Have we heard anything from any of their partners on how to help stranded pax?

See my post above. SAS will try to accommodate PAX on their flights.

Read on another forum that about 20,000 PAX will be affected just this weekend!
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:26 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 49):
There is nothing on the Star Alliance website, surprising.

There is....

I've just been on www.staralliance.com and was greeted with a headline message about the Spanair shutdown.
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Mattuk
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:29 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 49):
There is nothing on the Star Alliance website, surprising.

There is now.
 
Delta777Jet
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:40 pm

its now official on their web page too!

Sad to see them go (even though I always hated flying with them) !
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:53 pm

Question: How will this affect SQ's BCN-GRU flights? Do SQ have the rights to flight that route? Or did they have them through the code-share with JK?
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Markam
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:05 pm

While I think that the rescue fare by FR, U2, VY, IB and UX is a nice gesture towards the stranded passengers, one should be careful: for example, a quick search on FR for BCN-AGP return (Jan 30th - Feb 4th) revealed that the standard published fare is 72 euros, while the rescure fare is 98 (49 x 2). So, as always, it is good to shop around.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:11 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 47):
Press release from SAS that has a 10,9% share in JK: http://se.yhp.waymaker.net/sasgroup/release.asp?id=241696


They "will assist passengers to the extent practically possible". I guess that applies mainly on the routes to/from Scandinavia.

Another nail in the coffin for SAS ? They are gona loose 1,7 billion SEK over this proabably ...

As previously informed the effect of the SAS Group's liquid assets is evaluated to be limited to 200-300 million Swedish crowns,

http://e24.no/boers-og-finans/sas-ta...arder-paa-spanair-konkurs/20146995


  

[Edited 2012-01-27 14:19:45]

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[Edited 2012-01-27 14:24:56]

[Edited 2012-01-27 14:25:28]
 
realsim
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:13 pm

Very sad news for Spanish aviation and for the people who work at Spanair. I hope they are offered a new job in one of the remaining Spanish airlines...  

Quoting UALWN (Reply 55):
Question: How will this affect SQ's BCN-GRU flights? Do SQ have the rights to flight that route? Or did they have them through the code-share with JK?
SQ was allowed to fly the route only if they codeshared with a Spanish airline. I assume they are still able to fly it, since Spanair has ceased operations but has not ceased to exist as a company. If Spanair finally liquidates, what, unfortunately, will probably happen, then SQ will not be allowed to fly the unless: a) they codeshare with UX or b) the Government changes the requirements and allows SQ to fly it on their own.

[Edited 2012-01-27 14:22:18]
 
Stratofish
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:15 pm

If I read cadenaser and ElPais right the ministry of transport ordered them to shut down on short notice.
Am I the only one who thinks that a public ministry shall not interfere in such a manner that prohibits an "orderly closure" and affects many hundreds of pax, especially since safety seems to not be an issue?

It seems to me that it is kind of a rebuff from the newly elected central gov to the Catalan. Well, and about Al Baker...

IF (and only if) somebody invests some real time and money to reform and relaunch Air Europa we might actually see the faint chance of an airline that Spain really deserves, not very likely in the current economy though.

So I probably saw my last JK flight take off today  
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:17 pm

The last flight from Barcelona arrived in CPH this evening.

Now it is understandeble that SAS axed the codeshare with Spanair some month ago.

Well it is very sad to see people loose their jobs, and Star to loose an inportant market.
I have to say last time I flew them I was not at all impressed with their service.

But when I flew them it was 2 days after the terrible accident and you could feel and see it on the uniforms and the faces of the FA.

I hope well for all the workers at Spanair.
 
Mortyman
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:26 pm

Quoting copenhagenboy (Reply 60):
Now it is understandeble that SAS axed the codeshare with Spanair some month ago.

Yes, but they are in trouble anyway:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 57):
They are gona loose 1,7 billion SEK over this proabably ...

As previously informed the effect of the SAS Group's liquid assets is evaluated to be limited to 200-300 million Swedish crowns,

http://e24.no/boers-og-finans/sas-ta...46995
 
SuperCaravelle
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:29 pm

Quoting Markam (Reply 56):
While I think that the rescue fare by FR, U2, VY, IB and UX is a nice gesture towards the stranded passengers, one should be careful: for example, a quick search on FR for BCN-AGP return (Jan 30th - Feb 4th) revealed that the standard published fare is 72 euros, while the rescure fare is 98 (49 x 2). So, as always, it is good to shop around.

Of course, but it can be much more expensive as well, so it is nice that they publish and communicate a reasonable fare for people who might be in distress anyway.
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:31 pm

SAS carries out impairment of 1.7 billion SEK - the liquidity effect
limited to 200-300 million SEK
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:31 pm

I hope EZY takes this chance to set up a base and expand in Spain by using BNC

Quoting formigueta (Reply 50):
BCN-BIO 9 daily frequencies. Nice job!

What is more, easyJet were due to start MAD-BIO 4x daily service on late February.
So, they have brought this day forward to... Monday (Jan 30th).

That's a quick response, organizing the bringing forward the launch of a new route in just a couple of hours!
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:36 pm

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 59):
If I read cadenaser and ElPais right the ministry of transport ordered them to shut down on short notice.
Am I the only one who thinks that a public ministry shall not interfere in such a manner that prohibits an "orderly closure" and affects many hundreds of pax, especially since safety seems to not be an issue?

It seems to me that it is kind of a rebuff from the newly elected central gov to the Catalan. Well, and about Al Baker...

IF (and only if) somebody invests some real time and money to reform and relaunch Air Europa we might actually see the faint chance of an airline that Spain really deserves, not very likely in the current economy though.

It's not anyone from any government (central or regional) who has ordered the suspension of the operations. It's the board of the company who has decided it today because of the failed negotiations with Qatar Airways and the announcement made by the regional government that they will not continue to invest in Spanair.

My personal opinion is that in Spain there are too many airlines. We are the only country in the world, apart from the USA and China, with one airline in each of the three alliances. It's true that the Spanish domestic market is the largest in Europe, but with the competition of Ryanair, Easyjet and Air Berlin, there are too many players. It's very sad to see a Spanish company like Spanair to shut down, they couldn't compete with Vueling and Ryanair at BCN, and their financial situation was awful since the days were Marsans managed it. I believe that the regional government should have allowed Iberia to buy Spanair two years ago, because maybe now all these people wouldn't be about to lose their jobs...

[Edited 2012-01-27 14:41:56]
 
SuperCaravelle
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:40 pm

Quoting realsim (Reply 65):
It's true that the Spanish domestic market is the largest in Europe, but with the competition of Ryanair, Easyjet and Air Berlin, there are too many players.

Can the opening of the high speed rail link between Barcelona and Madrid also be a reason for the demise of Spanair?
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:42 pm

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Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:50 pm

Spainair website updated with a message available here.

Rough translation

Quote:


Spanair Press customers

-        Spanair informs that in the day today January 27, 2012, the airline has ceased operations and   therefore, under these exceptional circumstances from all flights are canceled today.
 
-        If you purchased a ticket with Spanair for the coming days or weeks, you have several alternatives:
 
a-         If you paid the bill with a credit card, inquire at your financial institution about the possibility of reimbursement.
 
b-         If you purchased cancellation insurance, contact your insurer to find out your coverage.
 
c-          If you bought your ticket at a travel agency, find in it.
 
d-         If you have purchased a ticket on Spanair but operated by another airline, in principle, their flight is guaranteed. Please confirm your flight with the airline.
 
e-         Spanair, in coordination with the Government, has reached an agreement,   with Vueling, Iberia and Air Europa for those passengers who purchase a ticket and fly over the next three days have a special rate.  

The price of tickets, depending on the destination will be:

-         Domestic flights and Balearic Islands: 60 euros.
-         Flights to the Canary Islands: 90 euros
-         International flights: $ 100
 
f-           In any other case, to claim the refund of your ticket, you can file the claim for any of the following channels:
 
·          Spanair Sales Offices
·          AENA counters located in the respective airports.
·          Tourist Offices of the respective airports.
·          Consum Catalan
 
-        Spanair is in constant contact with Spanish aviation authorities   and airports where the company operates its flights to cope with this situation.
 
-        Both Spanair Center (900.13.14.15 - from outside Spain +34 971 916 047) as our sales office at the airports will remain open to serve you.
 
-        For updated information, please consult our website www.spanair.com
 
-        Spanair public apology to all those people who have been affected.

Barcelona January 27, 2012
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sandyb123
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:00 pm

Either flight aware is wrong or spanair flight JKK88705 (from Tenerife) and JKK8501 (from Copenhagen) have just taken off?

Not sure if this is a fault of flightradar24. If these flights are in the air and took off after the failure of the company, what's the deal with insurance, fuel, landing fees etc etc?

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Asturias
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:02 pm

I'll miss seeing them around, and I wish all the best to all those who lost their job. The gen.Cat. should have allowed IB to buy Spanair when they had the chance. Nationalism and politics and damn all else. Quatar would probably sound better to them than Iberia any day.

I'm sad to see them go.  

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comair25
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:05 pm

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 69):

With the flight numbers of 8XXX could be a ferry flight to get the aircraft back to home station?
 
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:14 pm

I feel sorry for the employees and wish them the best of luck in the future. Does anybody know if their handling agent Newco is also gone?

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Stratofish
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:23 pm

Quoting realsim (Reply 65):
It's not anyone from any government (central or regional) who has ordered the suspension of the operations. It's the board of the company who has decided it today because of the failed negotiations with Qatar Airways and the announcement made by the regional government that they will not continue to invest in Spanair.

Ok, thank you. Then I misunderstood cadenaser which said "Fomento da por hecho el cierre de Spanair" That sounded like an imperative to my foreign ear.

Quoting realsim (Reply 65):
My personal opinion is that in Spain there are too many airlines. We are the only country in the world, apart from the USA and China, with one airline in each of the three alliances. It's true that the Spanish domestic market is the largest in Europe, but with the competition of Ryanair, Easyjet and Air Berlin, there are too many players. It's very sad to see a Spanish company like Spanair to shut down, they couldn't compete with Vueling and Ryanair at BCN, and their financial situation was awful since the days were Marsans managed it. I believe that the regional government should have allowed Iberia to buy Spanair two years ago, because maybe now all these people wouldn't be about to lose their jobs...

I agree. I just fail to understand why there's no really decent airline, one would really like to fly with. So maybe this mess might be a chance. And given the state of AB chances are they will surrender the Spanish domestic market.

Sad day foe the employees!
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copenhagenboy
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Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:29 pm

I see in CPH that they arrived this evening Barcelona-CPH, but the returnfligt around 7 this morning

07:05


Barcelona

Spanair

JK038


Cancelled
 
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:13 am

Very sad. I have fond memories with flying JK. A nice little airline... not nice to see them go.
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:24 am

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 68):
Spainair website updated with a message available here.

Rough translation

There's a link to the English version at the top of the page.
 
BOAC911
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:21 am

Companies need to be profitable, and that also includes those that are state-controlled. I suspect that Spain's recent government change, and the politics of Rajoy's Administration have something to do with this shutdown. It is the current government's goal to make Spain's autonomous regions more accountable to their lavish spending habits.
 
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:58 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 70):
The gen.Cat. should have allowed IB to buy Spanair when they had the chance. Nationalism and politics and damn all else. Quatar would probably sound better to them than Iberia any day.

Well, after IB abandoned BCN, I don't think selling JK to IB sounded too exciting. Most probably IB would have just dismantled JK hub at BCN anyway, so what would have been the point?
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:18 am

How many pax did JK carry last year? Further to that, how many of those were through BCN?

It will likely have a considerable short to medium term effect on the pax numbers at BCN, until other carriers fill the void.
 
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:05 am

Very sad but I'm not surprised. I flew them once, in business class, AGP-MAD and they were not great. Best to everyone who has lost their jobs.
 
okobjorn
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:24 am

With a 10% share in JK, can SK pick up some cheap A321's or A320's or would that not fly?
 
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:25 am

This is going to be a big story in the following days. This is not just a simple bankruptcy. JK had been surviving essentially as a Catalan government pet project since 2009. There comes a government change at the Federal level (or whatever it´s called in Spain) in 2011 and JK "suddenly" collapses.

This is totally related, as has been said above, to Spain´s government pledge that the Autonomies need to reign in their spending. In the case of JK, this was probably told to the Catalans just as soon as Rajoy came to power, and a deadline given. Hence the desperate search for an investor by JK and its approach to QR.

Unfortunately QR saw through the irregularities in subisidies given to JK by the Catalan autonomy and refused to play along in case it had to answer later to EU competition and regulatory authorities.

I´m sorry for the employees and for the stranded passengers. However, JK was dead since 2009 and if it weren´t for all the Catalan government funding and subsidies it has been receiving, this would have happened much earlier.

I´m glad that Spain has recognized that it cannot subsidize non-viable businesses if it wants to get out of the current economic hole it´s in.

The question to be asked is: How many more companies are going to go the way JK when the rest of the Autonomies get the message?
 
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:54 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 82):
JK had been surviving essentially as a Catalan government pet project since 2009. There comes a government change at the Federal level (or whatever it´s called in Spain) in 2011 and JK "suddenly" collapses. This is totally related, as has been said above, to Spain´s government pledge that the Autonomies need to reign in their spending. In the case of JK, this was probably told to the Catalans just as soon as Rajoy came to power, and a deadline given. Hence the desperate search for an investor by JK and its approach to QR.

You are quite mistaken. If you read today's newspapers you will realize that Rajoy had nothing to do with this. JK's became a pet project of the previous (socialist) Catalan government and the previous (socialist) Barcelona city government.They both changed hands in the last year to the center-right CiU party. The CiU told JK they had to find a way to survive without subsidies, and do it quickly. JK told them they were about to reach an agreement with QR "in a matter of weeks." When weeks turned to months, the Catalan government got nervous. The Catalan minister of economy went to Qatar earlier this month. When he came back, he reported to the president of the Catalan government that he thought there was only a 5% chance that QR would end up investing in JK. The Catalan government decided to pull the plug and JK collapsed. This was already going on well before Rajoy took office a month ago. Nothing to do.
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AR385
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:06 am

Quoting UALWN (Reply 83):
You are quite mistaken.

Where exactly am I mistaken? I believe we have the same info. with different interpretations:

http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2012/01/...7/catalunya/1327682057_912827.html

http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2012/01/...8/catalunya/1327712602_627616.html

http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2012/01/...8/catalunya/1327712602_627616.html

In any case, if I am, I would be very interested in reading your sources for all of what you are saying above.
 
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:54 am

So what is it that killed them? I know, running out of cash, making losses since years, revenues not covering costs - but what was behind that?

Wrong strategy? Wrong network with routes that had a lot of competition and/or low yield? Lousy product (ground, inflight)? Legacy cost structures? Inefficiencies? Underfunded and thus incapable of investing into a more sustainable future? Interference from the outside? Incompetent management?
 
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:28 am

Quoting okobjorn (Reply 81):
With a 10% share in JK, can SK pick up some cheap A321's or A320's or would that not fly?

I remember doing an analysis of JK's leasing arrangements back when i studied finance 7-8 years ago; IIRC they leased all their planes and did so very long-term; closely mirroring actual ownership. I'd be surprised if they owned any of their a/c, and even if they do, the creditors would naturally demand (and bankruptcy legislation requires) that these assets go to the market price, meaning that SK will not be able to get anything much cheaper than they would be able to do in the first place in the open market space.

Actually, one of the reasons SK is losing so much on this is that SK have guaranteed a lot of JK loans and liabilities, probably including some leasing arrangements.

Wonder if Vueling had a hunch on this... starting up CPH/AAL flights to BCN shortly.. they just launched banner campaigns across Copenhagen this week..   also, SK starts up AGP soon again, campaigning for it right now (JK didn't fly DK-AGP IIRC, but I believe they did substantial connecting to AGP)

Oh well, on the positive side this does give some relief to other carriers in the heavily congested Scandinavia-Spain market,

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Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:42 am

Never good news when an airline goes out of business. Spanair has almost been like SAS Spain...  
Quoting ju068 (Reply 25):
They have 24 Airbus aircraft in their fleet, 5 A321s and 19 A320s.

SAS picked up the 717 from Spain, I wonder if SAS would pick up some of these planes if they have good leases. SAS are retiring their MD-80 in favor of the A320, and this could speed up their transition.
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:21 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 82):
This is totally related, as has been said above, to Spain´s government pledge that the Autonomies need to reign in their spending.

.

You are quite mistaken.

Has the dead of JK anything to do with politics ? Of course yes and no. Yes because it was the local politicians who wanted to keep the company artificially alive while everyone saw the the model could not work at all. On top of that, it was illegally subsidized with money from the tax payer.

And NO because the central government ( or whatever you want to call it ) has or had nothing to do with JK closing down. If no money, no honey. And this time there was no more money, regardless of who is ruling Spain right now. Just keep Madrid out of the question, this point of view is very usual in BCN and its really irritating. When things go wrong some people see a black hand behind the scenes. Its simpler than that. No cash, no money, no more subsidies. Had JK been a private company, it would be dead since at least 2009.
 
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:43 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 84):
Where exactly am I mistaken? I believe we have the same info. with different interpretations:

I've read your links. Nowhere is Rajoy mentioned. Which I guess proves my point. Here you have an interesting link:

http://www.lavanguardia.com/opinion/...antich-una-historia-anunciada.html

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 88):
the central government ( or whatever you want to call it ) has or had nothing to do with JK closing down.

Agreed.
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:52 am

From the Spanair website:

- Vuelos domésticos e islas baleares: 60 euros.
- Vuelos a las Islas Canarias: 90 euros
- Vuelos Internacionales: 100 euros

Spanair has reached an agreement with Vueling, Iberia and Air Europa for rescue fares: €60 to domestic and Balearic islands, €90 to Canaries, €100 international flights.

This fees don't include taxes and fees...

If a JK pax supposed to be flying BCN-LPA-BCN with a checked-in bag wanted to get the rescue fare with Vueling, they'd have to pay €90*2 + €75.37 (taxes) + €24 (baggage) + €5.50 (card fees) = €284.87

To be honest I'm quite disappointed that Spanair are not showing the rescue fares of easyJet (€50) and Ryanair (€49), which include the taxes. The above pax could transfer into Ryanair flightsx by paying €49*2 + €30 (baggage) + €12 (card fees) = €140. Less than half price compared to Vueling.
 
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:24 am

In fairness this was coming for a long time.

JK has been a failed business for a lengthy period relying on the back of government subsidies to survive.

SAS did right when they largely walked away from their JK ownership.

Anyhow - with the tough economic environment in Spain these days combined with a market where LCC players are plenty, having one less airline is hardly the end of the world.
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Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:17 am

Quoting downtown273 (Reply 90):
From the Spanair website:

- Vuelos domésticos e islas baleares: 60 euros.
- Vuelos a las Islas Canarias: 90 euros
- Vuelos Internacionales: 100 euros

Spanair has reached an agreement with Vueling, Iberia and Air Europa for rescue fares: €60 to domestic and Balearic islands, €90 to Canaries, €100 international flights.

This fees don't include taxes and fees...

If a JK pax supposed to be flying BCN-LPA-BCN with a checked-in bag wanted to get the rescue fare with Vueling, they'd have to pay €90*2 + €75.37 (taxes) + €24 (baggage) + €5.50 (card fees) = €284.87
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Not sure where you checked these fares, but RT ticket to LPA is 195.37€. Fares do not include taxes but there are no fees. No baggage surcharge and no card fee for these special flights.

Anyway, these fares are aimed to be used as a "rescue" so I guess they were planning probably to take passagers only OW, not RT.
 
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Spanair Ceases All Operations

Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:04 pm

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 59):
If I read cadenaser and ElPais right the ministry of transport ordered them to shut down on short notice.
Then I misunderstood cadenaser which said "Fomento da por hecho el cierre de Spanair" That sounded like an imperative to my foreign ear.

Yes, you have misunderstood. The translation is "The Transport [Ministry] takes the closure of JK as a given", no imperative there. Due to the regional government's ownership of the airline we'll be hearing lots of conspiracy theories, but the truth is very simple: JK's current source of money (Catalan government) and future hope for money (QR) have both walked away, and that was the only thing that was keeping JK artificially alive up to now.

Quoting scarebus03 (Reply 72):
Does anybody know if their handling agent Newco is also gone?

According to some of the Spanish links, 80% of theri business was JK, so I expect them to go as well. That's another 1,200 employees on top.  
 
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Spanair Ceases All Operations

Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:00 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 78):
Well, after IB abandoned BCN, I don't think selling JK to IB sounded too exciting. Most probably IB would have just dismantled JK hub at BCN anyway, so what would have been the point?

And most probably less than 4000 would have lost their jobs. Which is my point. Spanair was going out of business for a long time, but 4000 jobs (mostly in Cataluña) did not have to be lost.

Dismantling JK and removing BCN as a hub would cost some jobs, but not all jobs.

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Spanair Ceases All Operations

Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:12 pm

Quoting Asturias (Reply 94):
Dismantling JK and removing BCN as a hub would cost some jobs, but not all jobs.

Dismantling JK would have cost most of those 4000 jobs, don't you think? I guess the QR option sounded much more interesting. Alas, it didn't materialize. Maybe it was never particularly realistic. That I don't know.
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Spanair Ceases All Operations

Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:40 pm

Quoting okobjorn (Reply 81):
With a 10% share in JK, can SK pick up some cheap A321's or A320's or would that not fly?

SAS actually leased some A320s to Spanair. Not sure how many though.
 
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RE: Spanair Ceases All Operations

Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:16 pm

Quoting greenjet (Reply 96):

Most of the aircraft are leaased from ILFC, only MDs are leased from SAS/GECAS.
ILFC already made some moves to reposses them as soon as the first news were released by the media and the aircraft are parked at a remote stand of Terminal 2, close to the Iberia hangar, out of the vision of the passengers.

Quoting kevin777 (Reply 86):
Wonder if Vueling had a hunch on this... starting up CPH/AAL flights to BCN shortly.. they just launched banner campaigns across Copenhagen this week.. also, SK starts up AGP soon again, campaigning for it right now (JK didn't fly DK-AGP IIRC, but I believe they did substantial connecting to AGP)

VY is the airline which moved quickly adding more frequencies to the domestic network where JK operated and starting earlier than planned other such as CPH, MUC and ARN. Others as EZ only announced the route BCN-BIO and MAD-BIO.

FR is really quiet at the moment but I guess they will move forward to a future expansion as did in MAD.

JK was the second airline in BCN in passenger numbers (4 million in 2011) and the fourth in Spain with 11 million in 2011, therefore this market shall be caught by VY, EZ and FR.

Will be interesting to see the huge expansion of VY, which already annouced 23 new routes and with JK collapse shall increase fleet really quick
 
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RE: Spanair Ceases All Operations

Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:50 pm

Quoting formigueta (Reply 97):
Others as EZ only announced the route BCN-BIO and MAD-BIO.
Quoting downtown273 (Reply 64):

What is more, easyJet were due to start MAD-BIO 4x daily service on late February.
So, they have brought this day forward to... Monday (Jan 30th).

As downtime273 correctly mentions, U2 moved forward their planned MAD-BIO flight to January 30th. The flights till February 19th aren't bookable (yet) on their website, but U2 themselves confirm the new flights on their website (it seems that U2 acts faster than that their reservation system can cope.
 
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RE: Spanair Ceases All Operations

Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:09 pm

I'm hoping someone else picks up BCN-MAH, just Vueling and Air Europa now. Some days there are no flights from 9am to 8pm, which is a bit of a nuisance. Ryanair or easyJet would be good.


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