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New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:17 pm

Our maintenance co-workers at EWR will keep our Boeing 787s and other widebody airplanes in top shape from a new $25 million hangar on three acres of airport land, Technical Operations SVP Jim Keenan announced Thursday.

Lt. Gov. Guadagno talks with Tech Ops co-workers at EWR.

Airport officials hosted a news conference to announce that and other private sector investments to EWR in advance of the 2014 Super Bowl at MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, N.J.

Jim said we worked out a new 25-year lease on land for the new hangar. He said the project will result in 210 jobs, $12 million in wages and $52 million in economic activity over the life of the project. We expect to open the 85,000-square-foot hangar in September 2013.

“Construction of this widebody hangar underscores our commitment to Newark, the state of New Jersey and the region,” Jim said. “As one of New Jersey’s largest employers and the New York area’s largest airline, we are committed to being an active, engaged partner as we connect this region to the world.”

We fly to a daily average of 153 destinations including 75 international destinations, more than any other airline, from the New York market, which also includes New York-LaGuardia and New York-Kennedy. In 2012, we will offer 25 percent of the total airline seats in the market, also leading the industry.

In addition to our EWR hangar, we have preliminary plans and a site identified for a maintenance hangar for IAD operations. The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority board has approved our proposal, and we are working now to complete the plans and design so we can finalize the capital needed for construction.
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:24 pm

Great! I'm just curious -- where are they building this thing? I feel all space at EWR is maxed out and/or landlocked.
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:25 pm

Yeah I posted this news a while back, it will be CO/UA's fifth hangar at EWR (3 wide body, two narrow body). If they take over the former UA hangar over by the former UA cargo building (which CO took over) that would give them six hangars at EWR (3 wide body, 3 narrow body).

Huge news for IAD, can't believe UA has been there all these years without a maintenance facility.
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:30 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 1):
Great! I'm just curious -- where are they building this thing? I feel all space at EWR is maxed out and/or landlocked

It's going to be built on top of what is now taxiway Sierra , the taxiway that goes through CO's maintenance area through to the Signature aviation ramp. CO/UA is paying $10 million to relocate taxiway Sierra.
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:35 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
If they take over the former UA hangar over by the former UA cargo building (which CO took over) that would give them six hangars at EWR (3 wide body, 3 narrow body).

Is UA going to utilize those former UA cargo buildings -- both the 1958 and 2002 ones?
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:44 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 4):
Is UA going to utilize those former UA cargo buildings -- both the 1958 and 2002 ones?

CO signed a lease with the Port Authority to take over the former UA cargo building, built in 2002, at EWR back in 2010 before they merged with UA. So that building is back with UA, CO has been using it for almost two years now. I've been in there it's nice.

The old UA cargo building from the '50s belongs to Customs and Immigration now. I'm interested in whether they are going to take over the former UA maintenance hangar which was active with UA until 2003 or so. In the later years they mostly worked on UA and HP (they had a contract) 757s.
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RE: New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:58 pm

Are any of these hangers big enought to hold a A380?  
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:59 pm

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 6):
Are any of these hangers big enought to hold a A380?

I don't think so, at the Port Authority board meeting where these were discussed it was mentioned they needed the new hangar at EWR to service their 787s that will be entering service.
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting ramprat74 (Thread starter):
In addition to our EWR hangar, we have preliminary plans and a site identified for a maintenance hangar for IAD operations. The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority board has approved our proposal, and we are working now to complete the plans and design so we can finalize the capital needed for construction.

That's great news and more proof (besides the additional flights to MAN, DUB, and HNL) that United remains committed to its global hub at Dulles. Dulles, unlike just about every airport in the country, has plenty of room to grow so putting up a maintenance hangar should be an easy task. United has dozens of widebodies passing through Dulles every day, so this is long over due.

I hope it also means that United will get around sooner rather than later to reaching an agreement to help buid a new concourse for their hub operation.
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:06 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
Huge news for IAD, can't believe UA has been there all these years without a maintenance facility.

I've long wondered about that item. Could any UA experts explain how UA has handled regular maintenance needs related to a hub airport at IAD? They of course have had some procedure, I just don't know what it is.

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RE: New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Fri Feb 03, 2012 4:20 pm

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 9):
I've long wondered about that item. Could any UA experts explain how UA has handled regular maintenance needs related to a hub airport at IAD? They of course have had some procedure, I just don't know what it is.

DL doesn't have one at JFK either.
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RE: New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:29 pm

I wonder if they will use the same company that built the former BOS hangar? This company also built the EWR, JFK, MIA, and LAX cargo buildings for UA.
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:47 pm

Quoting ramprat74 (Reply 11):
I wonder if they will use the same company that built the former BOS hangar? This company also built the EWR, JFK, MIA, and LAX cargo buildings for UA.

Is the BOS hangar still around? I thought UA might have sold that one off a few years back since they don't fly 777s to BOS anymore.
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RE: New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:07 pm

That hangar is now DL's.
 
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RE: New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:16 pm

I guess those balloon hangars are cheaper to make then a regular built hangar?
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:25 pm

It is amazing that IAD is finally going to get a hangar. It has been a desire for 20 years, but UA couldn't come up with the funds in the last 10 years. It has been talked about, but they would not commit the capital. It is good to see them investing in infrastructure.

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 6):
Are any of these hangers big enought to hold a A380?

I think the only hangar at UA that can handle an A380 is in SFO.

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 9):
Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
Huge news for IAD, can't believe UA has been there all these years without a maintenance facility.

I've long wondered about that item. Could any UA experts explain how UA has handled regular maintenance needs related to a hub airport at IAD? They of course have had some procedure, I just don't know what it is.

A hangar is not needed for maintenance activities. IAD did not have any scheduled A checks or C checks at UA (if I remember correctly). A checks were handled at SFO, ORD, LAX, DEN, SEA & MEX. They did do scheduled light maintenance at IAD, but none of the larger scheduled maintenance activities. In reality a hangar makes it faster and easier to do maintenance, but most tasks can be done outside if the weather is ok. Weather below freezing prohibits some work including engine work and winds prevent some flight controls work. SEA does half the A checks for the 757 fleet and it is an outdoor maintenance facility with no hangar.
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:30 pm

Just along those same lines... What is the CO hangar at DEN used for, if anything? I've never seen any aircraft over there since the airport opened, so I assume that CO still owns or owns the lease and , as a result, its now part of the new UA again.

Its not far from the other hangars.

Great news for IAD and EWR.

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RE: New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:33 pm

Great news. I'm especially happy about the hangar at IAD and the company making much needed investments in infrastructure. This new UA thing is working out pretty well...
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:40 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 16):
Just along those same lines... What is the CO hangar at DEN used for, if anything? I've never seen any aircraft over there since the airport opened, so I assume that CO still owns or owns the lease and , as a result, its now part of the new UA again.

It was an odd hangar to begin with. CO built it and then pulled out of DEN and leased part of it to F9 for a while. I haven't heard of its use since the merger.
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RE: New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:47 pm

Just to piggy back on this thread could we document where CO/UA have maintenance hangars:

CO:

EWR 5 (soon to be five, three wide body and two narrowbody)
MCO 2 (two mega hangars that each can accommodate four 757s?)
HOU (Hobby airport) ?
IAH ?
LAX ?
DEN ?
HNL (one widebody hangar)
CLE ?

UA:
ORD ?
DEN ?
LAX ?
SFO ?
IAD (just announced)
JFK (shares for Pan Am hangar with Atlas?)

[Edited 2012-02-03 11:52:01]
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RE: New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:55 pm

What is the source for this article?

Any word on whether the design contract will go out for bid or if it is an internal design/build?

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RE: New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:59 pm

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 20):

What is the source for this article?

Any word on whether the design contract will go out for bid or if it is an internal design/build?

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RE: New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:59 pm

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 20):
What is the source for this article?

Here's one:

Quote:
United plans to develop a 132,000-square-foot, aircraft maintenance hangar that will support the new wide-body Boeing 787 Dreamliner, said Jim Keenan, senior vice president of technical operations at United. The hangar will cost roughly $25 million to build on a 3-acre parcel, Keenan said.
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RE: New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:04 pm

Other upcoming projects at EWR include the new Signature aviation terminal, and the renovation of the airport Marriott in preparation for the 2014 Superbowl. Plus the repaving of runway 4R-22L and new high speed taxiways.

http://www.panynj.gov/press-room/press-item.cfm?headLine_id=1506
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:28 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 19):
UA:
ORD ?
DEN ?
LAX ?
SFO ?
IAD (just announced)
JFK (shares for Pan Am hangar with Atlas?)

ORD, DEN, LAX & SFO all have hangars.

SFO is the main maintenance base (it's that complex of buildings at the end of 28R/10L) something like 3 million square feet of floor space.

http://www.unitedtechops.com/

I believe NRT and LHR had hangars at one point as well...they still might.
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RE: New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:41 pm

Quoting ramprat74 (Thread starter):
Our maintenance co-workers at EWR will keep our Boeing 787s and other widebody airplanes in top shape from a new $25 million hangar on three acres of airport land, Technical Operations SVP Jim Keenan announced Thursday.

"And other widebody planes..." including the 744s?
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:56 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 25):
"And other widebody planes..." including the 744s?

Will continue to be maintained at SFO & ORD  
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:24 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 26):
Quoting N62NA (Reply 25):
"And other widebody planes..." including the 744s?

Will continue to be maintained at SFO & ORD

I'd expect SFO and ORD to keep all the 747 maintenance. They currently have hangar spots for 4 747s. 2 in SFO and 2 in ORD. For a fleet of 24 airplanes, that is enough. A checks in ORD, C checks in SFO, engine overhauls in SFO. I'd expect it to stay that way until the fleet retires.

Unscheduled line maintenance which is what would be done at EWR if 747s route through there typically does not require a hangar.
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RE: New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:33 am

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 27):

Unscheduled line maintenance which is what would be done at EWR if 747s route through there typically does not require a hangar.

Yeah... my "question" was a thinly veiled wish that UA brings the 744 to EWR!  
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:24 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 19):
DEN ?

CO hanger was 1/2 leased by F9 for the last several years, and IIRC the UA DEN complex has 3-4 hangers, all connected. I can't remember exactly as its been several years since i was last inside the UA DEN complex.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:02 am

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 27):
I'd expect SFO and ORD to keep all the 747 maintenance. They currently have hangar spots for 4 747s. 2 in SFO and 2 in ORD. For a fleet of 24 airplanes, that is enough. A checks in ORD, C checks in SFO, engine overhauls in SFO. I'd expect it to stay that way until the fleet retires.

I thought 747 maintenance was done at Ameco in PEK, at least the C checks ?

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Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:19 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 19):
CO:

EWR 5 (soon to be five, three wide body and two narrowbody)
MCO 2 (two mega hangars that each can accommodate four 757s?)
HOU (Hobby airport) ?
IAH ?
LAX ?
DEN ?
HNL (one widebody hangar)
CLE ?

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Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:38 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
Yeah I posted this news a while back, it will be CO/UA's fifth hangar at EWR (3 wide body, two narrow body). If they take over the former UA hangar over by the former UA cargo building (which CO took over) that would give them six hangars at EWR (3 wide body, 3 narrow body).

There are only 3 hangars at EWR currently. Hanger 54 Hangar 55 and Hangar 56. Hangar 56 is used mainly for wide body. Hangar 54 and Hangar 55 used mainly for narrow body.A widebody airplane can fit in hangar 54, but not in hangar 55. UA hangar at Uniform Alpha need to be cleaned up, that's one of the main reason it's not used. Every now and then its rented out to other airlines. From the continetal side we don't do any maintenance at the UA hanger at Uniform Alpha. The airplanes are park there that's about it.
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:08 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
Huge news for IAD, can't believe UA has been there all these years without a maintenance facility.

They do have a mx facility - its called the R gates...   
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:12 pm

Quoting The777Man (Reply 30):
I thought 747 maintenance was done at Ameco in PEK, at least the C checks ?

SFO still does some light C checks heavy overhauls are done overseas.
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:08 pm

Quoting Valcory (Reply 32):
There are only 3 hangars at EWR currently. Hanger 54 Hangar 55 and Hangar 56. Hangar 56 is used mainly for wide body. Hangar 54 and Hangar 55 used mainly for narrow body.A widebody airplane can fit in hangar 54, but not in hangar 55

Hangar 55 has the double doors, and can fit two narrow body aircraft.
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:23 pm

Any guesses as to where United would locate a hangar at IAD?

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 15):

It is amazing that IAD is finally going to get a hangar. It has been a desire for 20 years, but UA couldn't come up with the funds in the last 10 years. It has been talked about, but they would not commit the capital

Was it really just a funding issue? Or were there other reasons?
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:22 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 35):
Hangar 55 has the double doors, and can fit two narrow body aircraft.

Hangar 55 is just one hangar with two bays, bay one and two. Hangar 54 can fit like four New Gen or Classic. The point is it's just one hangar.
 
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RE: New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:34 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
Huge news for IAD, can't believe UA has been there all these years without a maintenance facility.

Maybe in the process, the mile-long 'double-wide' known locally as Concourse C/D can at least get new paint and new carpeting  
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:20 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 28):
Yeah... my "question" was a thinly veiled wish that UA brings the 744 to EWR

I would NOT bet against UAL 744 ops in EWR.
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Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:30 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 38):
Maybe in the process, the mile-long 'double-wide' known locally as Concourse C/D can at least get new paint and new carpeting  

It HAS brand new paint and carpeting.

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Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:51 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 40):
It HAS brand new paint and carpeting.

Since when? Or are you talking about the 2006 renovations as "brand new"?
 
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Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:55 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 40):
It HAS brand new paint and carpeting.

Really?  

You mean when the new decals were hung ?
 
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RE: New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 40):
It HAS brand new paint and carpeting.

Gigneil is right. The C/D Concourse got new carpeting a few months ago along with the gate doors being repainted. It's not a lot, but at least it's something.
 
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Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:38 pm

Quoting working2gether (Reply 43):
The C/D Concourse got new carpeting a few months ago

Then I apologize for my comments.

The bad blue Las Vegas lounge carpeting must have been replaced with still more bad blue Las Vegas lounge carpeting. Frightening to think there could be bolts of that stuff still sitting in someone's warehouse.

[Edited 2012-02-05 10:09:23]
 
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Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:54 pm

Quoting Valcory (Reply 32):
From the continetal side we don't do any maintenance at the UA hanger at Uniform Alpha. The airplanes are park there that's about it.

Where is this hanger known as Uniform Alpha?
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RE: New UA Widebody Hangar In EWR & IAD

Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:10 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 45):
Where is this hanger known as Uniform Alpha?

It is located by the old UA Cargo building and Flight Kitchen.


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