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Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:04 am

Good morning everyone and welcome to our third thread of the year, on this bitterly cold morning.

I thought we'd just mark the passing of two airlines which have been part of the Irish aviation scene for many years, Malev and Spanair. We also extend our sympathies to the staff of these fine airlines and hope that they find alternative employment soon.

Other than that, it's the usual scene - Emirates growing (thankfully, they're growing in Ireland), Ryanair moaning and suing and Aer Lingus ... well, what's Aer Lingus doing? It's been looking at new aircraft - with the 737 Max and A320 Neo in contention. It's also adding to its regional fleet, with ATR42s and more '72s soon to appear in the EI colours.

Well, that's pretty much all I have to say for the moment; over to you ...
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:32 am

Yes the best of wishes to Spanair and Malev employees, lets hope they find work again soon!
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:13 am

Yes, sad news. I am getting to the stage that most of the two letter codes I know are for defunct carriers!

Any news of the Weston situation - any buyers out there for a nice GA airport on the edge of the city?
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:21 am

I have to agree, I am going to miss Malev.

They are the only airline I was ever given a complimentary upgrade on for a start... and here's the trip report with lots of pictures to prove it...

https://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/129984

My other flight with them was the return on the same trip.

https://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/132783

I can't believe that was over three years ago!
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:47 am

I was reading during the week in the Irish Times that Ryanair had parked 80 aircraft for the winter. Where are the vast majority of them parked?

I know EI has stated that it is looking at both the 737Max and A320 Neo, but given the fact that its an all Airbus fleet, the possiblity of ordering it even if the Max has cheaper operating costs (and I'm not saying it does) is highly unlikely.

Does anybody know if EI might have regretted not going for the 787?
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:32 am

Is anyone going to SNN to try and get some pics of the Malev fleet?
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:43 am

Quoting ei737ng (Reply 4):
Does anybody know if EI might have regretted not going for the 787?

I' d say EI do regret in a way about the 787, the A350 is just too much capacity for them.
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:58 am

Quoting ei737ng (Reply 4):
I was reading during the week in the Irish Times that Ryanair had parked 80 aircraft for the winter. Where are the vast majority of them parked?

They are dispersed around the network and are rotated in and out of use, so there are not literally 80 aircraft permanently parked. I think PIK, STN and BHX are among the places where several have been seen parked at times.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:05 am

Quoting ei737ng (Reply 4):
I was reading during the week in the Irish Times that Ryanair had parked 80 aircraft for the winter. Where are the vast majority of them parked?

They use the term "parked" but I think they just reduce the utilisation across the fleet as a whole, which is equivalent to 80 aircraft, or roughly 500 sectors system wide (assuming most aircraft to a minimum of 6 sectors a day). Parking aircarft is an expensive proposition with specialist preparation and so on. You can't just abandon an aircraft on a remote stand!

Quoting ei737ng (Reply 4):
Does anybody know if EI might have regretted not going for the 787?

Im sure they have. But they still have options. Either they can take them and immediately sell/lease them to a thrid party, they could arrange a swap with a lessor for other more suitable aircraft,if they need them. Or they could arrange with Airbus to swap A350s for A320NEOs. In this situation they would probably have to maintain options on the A350, airbus will not want an outright cancellation on the A350. Now, the A350 is still a long way off and any number of delays could still happen (although I hope they don't). EI might be best advised to hold tough for the time being.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:22 am

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 5):
Is anyone going to SNN to try and get some pics of the Malev fleet?

Im working in SNN this evening and will be bringing my camera!
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:28 am

A welcome revenue boost for SNN :

Shannon benefits from airline closure

THE COLLAPSE of Malev has provided an unexpected benefit to Shannon airport, with the majority of the company’s aircraft being repositioned there for parking.

The midwest airport is expected to earn thousands of euro in parking charges while the aircraft are grounded there.

Shannon has a longstanding reputation for providing parking for aircraft including those at the end of their lease and those visiting the airport for maintenance.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...11249374.html#.Ty0MSf7rPU4.twitter
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:33 am

Quoting SURFER (Reply 9):

Im working in SNN this evening and will be bringing my camera!

Ahh great to hear! Looking forward to the pics!  
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:00 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 8):
They use the term "parked" but I think they just reduce the utilisation across the fleet as a whole, which is equivalent to 80 aircraft, or roughly 500 sectors system wide
Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 7):
They are dispersed around the network and are rotated in and out of use

Spot on. FR like to use 'parked aircraft' as it conjures up images of 80 aircraft lined up as 'it is too expensive to fly thme from high fees airports'. Lowering the utilisation saves FR fuel bills and crew wages. (Most of their crews are contractors so only paid for the hours they do) Picture most of their bases having 1 aircraft on standby each day with the larger bases having 2-3, that will give you a picture of how they 'park' them.

Quoting SURFER (Reply 9):

Im working in SNN this evening and will be bringing my camera!

Nice one.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:55 pm

I'll probably be making my usual Sunday visit to SNN with my extra large coffee from Topaz and my copy of the Sunday Business Post. I see no reason why I can't bring my camera.
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:01 pm

I notice that Aer Lingus have pro-actively cancelled several LHR flights for the next 24 Hours as the front that fell as rain here turns to snow in Britain.

Given the current weather model guidance - February could be problematic in Europe in terms of disruption to air travel from wintry conditions.

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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:08 pm

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 14):
I notice that Aer Lingus have pro-actively cancelled several LHR flights for the next 24 Hours as the front that fell as rain here turns to snow in Britain.

A lot of airlines are doing this too; I see SQ and CX are doing it too and I'm sure they'll be others; DUB, ORK and SNN might get some t/a diversions tomorrow morning?
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:13 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 15):

Indeed we are lucky here so far. Long may it last . LHR will certainly be an interesting place after 21:00 tonight with heavy snow expected til 03:00.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:26 pm

Here are some photos of the MA aircraft i took today parked up here in SNN.Sorry about the quality just had a cheap digital camera with me.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting SURFER (Reply 17):
Here are some photos of the MA aircraft i took today parked up here in SNN.Sorry about the quality just had a cheap digital camera with me.

Certainly is quite the sad sight isn't it. Pity SNN doesn't have this many aircraft parked at it under normal circumstances. Must be a near record for the number of parker aircraft at SNN.
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting SURFER (Reply 17):

Nice pics even though the subject is sad .
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 14):
I notice that Aer Lingus have pro-actively cancelled several LHR flights for the next 24 Hours as the front that fell as rain here turns to snow in Britain.

Do you know about any of the LGW EI flights? Snowing pretty bad here at the moment and we are expecting something like 10-15cm overnight.
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:05 pm

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 18):
Certainly is quite the sad sight isn't it. Pity SNN doesn't have this many aircraft parked at it under normal circumstances. Must be a near record for the number of parker aircraft at SNN.

We are expecting possibly 12 more aircraft from Spanair in the coming week so if this does happen the place will be pretty much full for remote parking and 2 more final MA aircraft are to arrive by Monday latest.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:08 pm

Cancelled flight :

 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:11 pm

Quoting SURFER (Reply 21):
We are expecting possibly 12 more aircraft from Spanair in the coming week so if this does happen the place will be pretty much full for remote parking and 2 more final MA aircraft are to arrive by Monday latest.

Jesus... it's always a bit disconcerting when SNN becomes a graveyard for aircraft. Even worse when it's your own airline's aircraft!
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:22 pm

wonder if you guy's had seen this pic yet. very rare.

Special A320
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:32 pm

Quoting eirbus06 (Reply 24):
wonder if you guy's had seen this pic yet. very rare.

Had not seen that pic, but have seen the aircraft and other photos of it - it featured in the Eurovision song contest that year (1988) which was held in Dublin (Ryanair were a sponsor).

Wonder how the locals in ORK reacted when an A320 bearing the name of "Spirit of Dublin" touched down.....     
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:04 pm

Wow what a rare picture! I heard of this aircraft before coming to Cork but couldn't find anything. Thanks for sharing.
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:15 pm

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 18):
Must be a near record for the number of parker aircraft at SNN.

Last time I was there a few weeks back there were five or six aircraft of another airline (the name of which escapes me) also parked so I'd say it must be nearing capacity now!

Quoting SURFER (Reply 21):
We are expecting possibly 12 more aircraft from Spanair in the coming week

Keep us updated! Definitely taking a run out to SNN this week.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:38 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 27):
Keep us updated! Definitely taking a run out to SNN this week.

Im working until tuesday so il post any updates between now and then.

BA have chosen SNN as one of their alternates for the inbound transatlantic traffic in the morning if they need to divert due to the weather situation in the UK.If some do have to drop in there will be a lot of aircraft sitting around in SNN!!
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:41 pm

Quoting SURFER (Reply 28):

Just to throw this into the ring , Its times like this that people realise the importance of Shannon .
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:05 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 29):
Quoting SURFER (Reply 28):

Just to throw this into the ring , Its times like this that people realise the importance of Shannon .

Or that the level of scheduled movements means that the ramp and terminal are otherwise under-utilised? BA have used Dublin as a diversion airport in the past as well and could do so again, I imagine.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:24 am

I agree with both of the above posts. SNN is strategically sited for diversions and has ample ramp space available if/when needed. In a similar situation to Gander/Goose Bay, it offers a location accessible to most of the North Atlantic traffic
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:13 am

First diversion to happen this morning in SNN is BA192 B744 from DFW which is due to land around 0830.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:33 am

Quoting SURFER (Reply 32):
First diversion to happen this morning in SNN is BA192 B744 from DFW which is due to land around 0830

This flight is overnighting pax heading to hotels.

BA34N B744 from MIA and possibly 2 more diverting into SNN in the next 30-60mins.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:35 am

BA 34N from Miami, BA 81V from Houston diverting to SNN.

BA 23T B772 from ATL diverting too

[Edited 2012-02-05 01:55:03]

Two more B772's diverting, BA264 from IAD and BA17V from DEN


[Edited 2012-02-05 02:07:43]
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:12 am

Quoting Masit (Reply 34):
BA 34N from Miami, BA 81V from Houston diverting to SNN.

BA 23T B772 from ATL diverting too

Currently 3 BA 747s and 3 B777s on the ground here in SNN.Its impressive to see the place so busy and full of aircraft!
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:45 pm

Quoting eirbus06 (Reply 24):
wonder if you guy's had seen this pic yet. very rare.

That's quite the unusual sight isn't it. I never knew FR operated A320s before.

Quoting SURFER (Reply 28):
BA have chosen SNN as one of their alternates for the inbound transatlantic traffic in the morning if they need to divert due to the weather situation in the UK.If some do have to drop in there will be a lot of aircraft sitting around in SNN!!

Definitely taking a trip down there this afternoon with camera in tow.
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:56 pm

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 36):
That's quite the unusual sight isn't it. I never knew FR operated A320s before.

They didn't operate it, it was a publicity visit for GPA and Ryanair. Tony Ryan called the shots in those days.

GPA had the aircraft on order and some of these were stated to be for Ryanair, but nobody really believed that at the time. They only got their first jet the 1-11 less than a year before.

The only aircraft they actually got from GPA was the ATR42, and that nearly broke the company.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:37 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 29):
Just to throw this into the ring , Its times like this that people realise the importance of Shannon .

Well it's available space is certainly useful. Hope they make a nice few bob with all these parkings and diversions.
But there are lots of other Airports in the northwest corner of Europe, so i wouldn't call it critically important that it once was.
The fact is that it is there, so it is going to get used. And nice to see it being used.

Quoting SURFER (Reply 33):

BA34N B744 from MIA and possibly 2 more diverting into SNN in the next 30-60mins.

Also other BA diverting to DUB,PIK,GLA,EDI,CWL,LGW,AMS,FRA.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:50 pm

Today's BA diversions to Dublin:

G-BNLW Boeing 747-436 by Irish251, on Flickr

G-BNWT Boeing 767-336ER by Irish251, on Flickr

G-VIIK Boeing 777-236ER by Irish251, on Flickr

And here is ATR-42 EI-CBK in Aer Lingus Regional livery:

EI-CBK ATR-42-300 by Irish251, on Flickr
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:59 pm

Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 39):

Thanks for those pics!
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:06 pm

Notice Randy's Journal (the Boeing blog) has mentioned Aer Lingus?

http://boeingblogs.com/randy/

"First of all, I wanted to step back and say a huge thanks to Aer Lingus for playing host to us during the Dream Tour’s stop in Dublin last week. More than 1,000 people visited the 787 during that stop in Ireland and it was exciting to see all the buzz."

Let the speculation commence. You know, EI could always lease 787s if it is planning to ditch the oversized A350s...
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:17 pm

Quoting SURFER (Reply 35):
Currently 3 BA 747s and 3 B777s on the ground here in SNN.

Did they all park at the terminal? That'd be some sight!
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:47 pm

Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 39):
Today's BA diversions to Dublin:

Wow that's pretty impressive sight. bet you spotters in DUB and SNN are in heaven today! How long are the BA aircraft going to be there, or have they already left?
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:48 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 42):

Did they all park at the terminal? That'd be some sight

They sure did it was an epic sight.Think all but one 747 continued onto LHR earlier in the day.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:54 pm

The three BA flights at Dublin are overnighting and presumably the same crews will then be able to take them on to LHR tomorrow, if that's what's decided on.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:20 pm

Has there been any more word on Aeroflot into DUB? There was all hype about it a while back.
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 45):
The three BA flights at Dublin are overnighting and presumably the same crews will then be able to take them on to LHR tomorrow, if that's what's decided on.

Nice little boost for the hotels in the off season. I take it the ones down in SNN are overnighting too.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 39):

Nice pics great day at DUB  
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:45 pm

Quoting Cabincrewifly (Reply 46):
Has there been any more word on Aeroflot into DUB? There was all hype about it a while back.

Indeed! Was wondering the very same myself!

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