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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:57 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 47):
Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 45):
The three BA flights at Dublin are overnighting and presumably the same crews will then be able to take them on to LHR tomorrow, if that's what's decided on.

Nice little boost for the hotels in the off season. I take it the ones down in SNN are overnighting too.

Several of the SNN aircraft departed for LHR after a couple of hours.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:21 pm

Wow a pic of SNN today now on the A.net database:


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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:50 am

Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 50):
Several of the SNN aircraft departed for LHR after a couple of hours

Just back in on nights and there is still a BA 747 and 777 still here.Also another MA 737 arriving tonight with one more to follow later today or tommorow.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:44 am

From rte.ie:

"Aer Lingus says its passenger numbers for January rose by 5.8% to 563,000 from 532,000 the same time last year.
The airline said its short haul numbers were up 6.2% to 514,000 while its long haul figures increased by 2.1% 49,000.
It added that numbers on its regional operations rose by over 26% to 53,000."

Good news to begin the day with. The encouraging signs for Irish aviation continue  
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:05 am

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 53):

Good stuff. To be honest, I had expected a drop, as anecdotally, people were saying flights/airports were "dead". It just goes to show how perceptions can be wrong.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:04 am

A few more pics of the Malev fleet at SNN I took yesterday

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/?saved=1

Apologies if they're not great. I only just got a new Sony NEX5 before Christmas and haven't quite got the hang of it yet! I also don't have a particurarly powerful lense and the SNN weather made it nigh impossible to get some good pics for everyone but the most talented photographers. Incidentally, was one of you regular SNN spotters by any chance taking pictures of the Malev fleet from the side of the approach road to SNN kinda near the old EI cargo hangar? You had a really impressive looking camera with a giant lense? Cause if you were, I drove past you! Could also have been a photographer for the local media. Stories like this tend to get attention in the Clare Champion.
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:26 pm

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 53):
Good news to begin the day with

Not as good as it seems, - weather problems and industrial action last year need to be taken into account in reading the EI results for January 2012. I bet average fares are up significantly, however.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:44 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 57):

Not as good as it seems, - weather problems and industrial action last year need to be taken into account in reading the EI results for January 2012. I bet average fares are up significantly, however.

No weather problems last January.
It was November and December 2010.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:53 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 58):
No weather problems last January

Not in Ireland, but I would bet that very many of the Irish severly climate challenged, twice, over the pre-Christmas period kept their travel plans for January 2011 firmly on hold.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:24 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 59):
Not in Ireland, but I would bet that very many of the Irish severly climate challenged, twice, over the pre-Christmas period kept their travel plans for January 2011 firmly on hold.

Good point
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:54 pm

RTE now reporting that 11 of the remaining 14 staff at Galway airport are now engaged in a sit in .

Redundancy issues said to be the reason.

[Edited 2012-02-06 13:55:56]
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:58 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 61):
Redundancy issues said to be the reason.

Here's the article

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0206/galwayairport.html

Sounds like this is the end. Sympathy to those workers who have to go to such lengths to get what they deserve. Fair play to them for continuing to operate the airport albeit in vein. Shows that they do care about their airport.
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:53 pm

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 62):

Confused ...

I don't begrudge the staff their money one bit, but why are the government paying redundancy for what they often point out is a private business, doubt that comes under OPEX? Haven't they told many other companies like Waterford Crystal to take a jump under similar circumstances? And if the staff sitting-in are current remaining 12 staff, then presumably they are not redundant, unless they have been told the airport will close? Confused...
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:52 am

There is an Omni 763 N378AX touching down at SNN right now, anyone know what it is doing there?
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:59 am

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 64):
There is an Omni 763 N378AX touching down at SNN right now, anyone know what it is doing there?

Very regular visitors to SNN. Usually on US miltary charter flights, making fuel stops en-route to conflict hotspots, or returning to the US.
 
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Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:04 am

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 65):
Very regular visitors to SNN. Usually on US miltary charter flights, making fuel stops en-route to conflict hotspots, or returning to the US.

Ahh right interesting.
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:58 am

Have their 777s been seen in SNN yet? They're relatively old models, so unlikely to be able to make the flight to KWI (or any other M/E point) nonstop.

Anyway, some interesting news; the Chinese "heir apparent", likely to succeed the current President Hu Jintao, is visiting Ireland later this month; possible to press him on the possibility of a Chinese carrier flying to DUB?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...tpage/2012/0207/1224311401643.html
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:06 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 67):
Have their 777s been seen in SNN yet? They're relatively old models, so unlikely to be able to make the flight to KWI (or any other M/E point) nonstop.

Yes, it's been in before to SNN. I've also seen in at AMS.

Ref the Chinese carrier - I was thinking exactly the same thing!
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:38 pm

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 62):
Sounds like this is the end.

The remaining staff seem to think so ... expecting liquadators tomorrow and Government talks mainly around redundancy issue. RE were transporting equipment out of the maintenance hangar yesterday.

http://galwayindependent.com/stories...ace-against-time-for-Airport-staff
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:41 pm

Thomas Cook Airbus, en route Tenerife, has made a safe emergency landing at Belfast International due to suspected problems with landing gear.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:45 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 70):
Thomas Cook Airbus, en route Tenerife, has made a safe emergency landing at Belfast International due to suspected problems with landing gear.

Yes I heard about that, great news that it touched down safe and sound!
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:10 pm

EIs BUD route has always seemed to do well with decent loads and fares that are never that low, so I wonder could we see them add an extra 2/3 weekly flights, maybe early morning like MA had operated?

Does anybody know what kind of financial state Lot, Air Europa and Air Baltic are in? Spanair and Malev are certainly the first of a few airlines who'll be grounded this year unfortunately
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:50 pm

A picture of the new duty-free shop at SNN:
http://i39.tinypic.com/6zsf3c.jpg

More here: London For A Half-day (feat. LGW & LHR - Pics!) (by AmricanShamrok Feb 7 2012 in Trip Reports)
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:34 pm

Quoting ein105 (Reply 72):
EIs BUD route has always seemed to do well with decent loads and fares that are never that low, so I wonder could we see them add an extra 2/3 weekly flights, maybe early morning like MA had operated?

2 extra flights are being added for summer anyway, to bring it back to daily operation, but this was planned before MA's collapse. I'd be inclined to think EI should now add a morning flight, or reschedule the existing one to operate in the mornings.

That said, MA's morning flight was filled with connections onto its diverse Eastern Europe Network, which EI obviously cannot replicate very easily!

There's an opening now for Austrian Airlines to come back to DUB with a morning service to link in to their Eastern Europe hub, if they can see it!
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:16 am

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 74):
That said, MA's morning flight was filled with connections onto its diverse Eastern Europe Network, which EI obviously cannot replicate very easily!

Indeed I dont think that EI would gain anything from it to be honest. MA traffic will go to LX AF BA LH .
 
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Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:30 am

Information about a faulty sensor in the Manx 2 Air Crash :

An ongoing investigation into the cause of a plane crash at Cork Airport last year, which claimed the lives of six people, has identified a problem with a sensor on the right-side engine.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0207/cork.html.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:49 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 75):
Indeed I dont think that EI would gain anything from it to be honest. MA traffic will go to LX AF BA LH .

Some of it will not really be able to. MA had some quite unique ports of call that other carriers either dont have at all, or just with schedules that dont pair well with DUB flights.

OS could clean up with an early F70.... plus we need a new airline.  
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:30 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 77):
OS could clean up with an early F70.... plus we need a new airline.  

Indeed apart from charters its been too long since we saw them in DUB and will be great to see another Star carrier . I used to love the Lauda Air B737 link to VIE and its great for connections.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:04 pm

Ryanair announced a new route today from DUB to Warsaw. Good to see another route from Dublin.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0208/breaking36.html
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:22 pm

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 79):

I think Ryanair have now been forced to stop contracting at DUB due to other carriers starting to grow and grabbing market share.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:58 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 80):
I think Ryanair have now been forced to stop contracting at DUB due to other carriers starting to grow and grabbing market share.

Are Aer Lingus the largest carrier at Dublin now after all the Ryanair reductions over the last few years?
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:55 pm

Quoting gosimeon (Reply 79):
Ryanair announced a new route today from DUB to Warsaw. Good to see another route from Dublin.


It's surprising that EI have held a monopoly for almost four years on what is still a relatively busy route. They'll undoubtedly see their yield eroded to some extent with the return of FR, but I do feel the route can sustain two carriers. A welcome development for DUB.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:42 pm

Quoting neutral (Reply 81):

Yes, EI are bigger now, quite considerably. How long it stays like that is anyone's guess!

DUB-WAW can easily sustain two carriers. EI has had this and a few other routes far too easy over the last couple of years.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:02 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 83):
DUB-WAW can easily sustain two carriers. EI has had this and a few other routes far too easy over the last couple of years.

However, let's not forget that this is not Warsaw-Okecie, the main airport, but Warsaw-Modlin, a former air base.

I can't think of anything more grim than a former Warsaw Pact air base in central Poland; FR and Modlin are well matched; still, it's only 35kms from Warsaw city, which isn't bad (by FR standards).

Imagine, some 30 years, there were probably lines of heavily armed Fishbeds and Floggers, waiting to unleash death on western Europe; soon, there'll be lines of 737s, waiting to unleash death on former E . European state airlines!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPMO
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:15 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 84):

They have built a rather dapper new Terminal at Modlin though!
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:33 pm

Flew through a ghost town like ORK today on my regular commute to LPL, and there was a Loganair flight to Aberdeen departing about 14:00? It wasn't on the boards, but the announcements identified the flight. It was a Dornier 328. Any explanations?
2011 so far: LX (4), FR (2), EI (2), BE (2) - 4004 miles
 
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Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:05 pm

 
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Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:44 pm

The new(used) 767 acquired by atlas air is cuurently on it's way to shannon.

Atlas Air 767
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:55 pm

Quoting harpandshamrock (Reply 86):

I think these are oil and gas industry related charter services.
 
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Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:41 pm

Doesn't make it right however, regardless of how long he has behaved like this.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:52 pm

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 91):

No, of course it never has been any different, but this perhaps is a new low. A man who gets 20% of FR's profits laughing at people who now cant pay the mortgage. What a piece of work.

There are actually some psychopathic tendencies being displayed now...
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:00 pm

Quoting neutral (Reply 81):
Are Aer Lingus the largest carrier at Dublin now after all the Ryanair reductions over the last few years?

I read at the end of last year that they were. However I am of the opinion that this is a reflection of the drop in FR ops rather than an expansion of EI!

Quoting kaitak (Reply 84):
I can't think of anything more grim than a former Warsaw Pact air base in central Poland;

Really selling the destination there........

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 90):
Does he need reminding how close his own airline were to collapse when the government and Aer Rianta had to intervene to save them

Don't want to defend him but wasn't this before his tenure as CEO? He apparently told Tony Ryan to close it.
 
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Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:04 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 95):

He did, but he was involved with the company at this stage, just not as CEO.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:56 am

Interesting comments from Mueller in todays Examiner:

- ORK-DUB may never return, citing French routes cut after TGV built
- EIR purpose is to build demand before moving routes to A320
- Apology for poor punctuality on EIR, blamed on tighter scheduling due to the loss of ATR72 at SNN

http://www.irishexaminer.com/busines...o-183201.html#.TzOSUXfbNBs.twitter

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Also reported that Aer Arann CEO has stepped down.

Quote:
PAUL SCHUTZ HAS resigned as the head of Aer Arann. A spokesperson for the airline told TheJournal.ie that he is leaving the company “amicably and for personal reasons”.
...
Board member Seán Brogan has been named as the interim CEO of the beleaguered airline.
http://www.thejournal.ie/paul-schutz...s-as-aer-arann-ceo-350459-Feb2012/

Given the above comments from Mueller, while there may be a few more UK regionals they could target, I wonder if RE have a longterm strategy after the economy and route numbers recover and EI have no more need for them?

[Edited 2012-02-09 02:10:51]
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:48 am

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 97):
I wonder if RE have a longterm strategy after the economy and route numbers recover and EI have no more need for them?

I can't see EI dropping the EIR franchise. Regardless of the economy there will always be a place in any airline's business model for a way to start new routes and build demand and/or operate double daily on smaller aircraft rather than use a larger aircraft for a single daily flight. Mueller did mention this scenario in the Examiner article, 'EIR would be moved to Leeds/East Midlands'

In addition the EIR franchise is just that. You could see more than RE operating under its guise. Not saying it WILL happen but the possibility is there. EI in the future could even operate a few of its own aircraft (newer smaller RJ's) as EIR.

The problem for RE is what can they do in the next 3-4 years, will the EIR franchise absorb them in the same way as US regional airlines? (Comair/Delta Connect)

[Edited 2012-02-09 03:36:46]
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:02 am

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 98):
I can't see EI dropping the EIR franchise. Regardless of the economy there will always be a place in any airline's business model for a way to start new routes and build demand and/or operate double daily on smaller aircraft rather than use a larger aircraft for a single daily flight. Mueller did mention this scenario in the Examiner article, 'EIR would be moved to Leeds/East Midlands'

The problem for RE is what can they do in the next 3-4 years, will the EIR franchise absorb them in the same way as US regional airlines? (Comair/Delta Connect)

I think they will need some sort of commuter feed if they want to have feed for long haul and maintain regional flights at SNN and ORK.

But what they maybe should do is have a number of commuter airlines flying for them, then they don't have all their eggs in one basket.
This could also allow them to get acess to specific aircraft types that might be better suited to certain routes.
I read that Brussels Airlines are wet leasing some Q400 for some specific routes.
So you could have a scenario where Aer Arann provide the ATR for some the short trips. Wet lease some Flybe Q400's for some longer regional flying and then maybe somebody else with a 100 seater regional jet.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:15 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 84):
still, it's only 35kms from Warsaw city, which isn't bad (by FR standards).

Indeed for Warsaw the WAW is still the best as its so close to the city though. I wonder how long and how much the bus is ?

Quoting Cabincrewifly (Reply 92):
but he dosen't know when to stop and he goes wayy to far. And he dosen't care.

Very true but you know him any publicity is good publicity.

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 97):
- ORK-DUB may never return, citing French routes cut after TGV built

Well the Heuston - Cork service is quite good and its door to door. Even with the fares going up its still good value for money.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:21 am

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 97):
- ORK-DUB may never return, citing French routes cut after TGV built
- EIR purpose is to build demand before moving routes to A320

Very interesting indeed. This also puts to bed any notion of a regional SNN-DUB service to feed the network.
 
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RE: Irish 3/12: A Farewell To Fallen Friends

Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:31 am

I'm glad Mueller addressed the punctuality issues with EIR flights, as they've been poor at best.

I don't understand his comment on moving to the "Leeds, East Midland development...". Did he mean as they replace ATR frequencies with 319/320 they will move toward looking at routes like Leeds, East Midlands?

Any idea of routes that could see mainline aircraft? Some GLA and EDI flights, especially those connecting to T/A routes must be candidates

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