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MAN News 45

Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:39 pm

Tiime for a new thread. Click here for MAN news 44

Starting off with expansion by BE:
EXT is going to 3 x daily Mon-Fri and ABZ is going to 5 times daily Mon-Fri. And you thought the impediment of rising air passenger duty would hinder domestic expansion!


Bits and pieces from the old thread:

Pax figures for 2011 rose appeox 6.5% to 18,814,848

SQ reducing frequency to 6 weekly.

BE to alter NWI to 3 daily weekday using LC Sf340s

DL not operating to JFK this year..

4U to takeover the LH route to STR and make it 5 weekly. (have seen they want to increase pax numbers by 100% on this route this year)/

ED altered their tech stop to IST

FR announced and have commenced a 3 weekly BUD service. Thier route to Tours has also started. Move to Terminal 3 in March.

LH announce an 8.5% rise in pax numbers using their MAN services in 2011.

EY intend maknig Manchester thier European HQ. 29% rise in pax numbers in 2011 with a 31% increase in pax revenue

TK to increase IST services in 2 stages - 9 weekly from March to May then it's 10 weekly.

TU to start a weekly service to TUN

EK to upgrade EK21/22 to a 777 service

EI/RE to add an extra 2 weekly services to ORK
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:07 pm

A quick round-up of the CAA's provisional stats for January 2012 compared to January 2011, comments based on scheduled pax

European services
BLL had a very healthy increase of 24%
LCA suffering with the CY cancellation - whopping 42% fall in pax numbers
CDG increased by nearly 4% despite the FR service to Beauvais
LYS and NTE had healthy increases
PRG down by 20%
SOF saw exactly the same number of passengers
MUC, FRA & STR were down but HAJ DUS increased
KEF up almost 30%
Rome saw LS still increase pax numbers to FCO despite FR operating to CIA
MXP bit of a drop
MAD had over 10000 pax. Would love to see the breakdown of this!
ARN had 30% increase in numbers, making up for GOT's drop
OSL up just under 60% to around 4700 pax

Route alert for BE.. BSL had 48% increase in pax numbers to 2374. Now with LX dropping the route, perhaps thought may be given for a 3 or 4 weekly service?

Long-haul:
BGI up 33%
BG had 1844 pax - reckon it's 100 per service?
DXB nudged 60000 pax - up 16%
DOH up 77% to 26500 pax
AUH up 25% to 21750 pax
SQ up 21% to 9558 pax = 154 per service.
For AA, JFK up 45% to over 8000 pax, made up for ORD dropping 14%
ATL down 13%
Pakistan was down over 10%
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:13 pm

Quoting david_itl (Thread starter):
Bits and pieces from the old thread:

Of course to add to this is the reduction in servie by QR for the summer season down to 10 weekly from 14.
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:32 am

Quoting boysteve (Reply 2):
Of course to add to this is the reduction in servie by QR for the summer season down to 10 weekly from 14.

Strange that DOH is up 77% and yet QR is reducing frequency? Surely that can't add up?
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RE: MAN News 45

Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:46 am

Quoting david_itl (Thread starter):
SQ reducing frequency to 6 weekly.
Quoting david_itl (Reply 1):
SQ up 21% to 9558 pax = 154 per service.

I'm assuming that most of SQ's passengers would be continuing to SIN. Given that SQ's 77W's have 278 seats that breaks down to (roughly) 50% of the aircraft originating in MAN and 50% in MUC.

Given that this is their only presence in both markets (apart from LH codeshare SIN-MUC) why are they reducing this service to 6 weekly? Unless loads are poor ex-MUC I can't see how this flight isn't almost completely full MUC-SIN.

The only thing I could come up with is poor premium yields. Those 77W's are quite premium-dense.
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RE: MAN News 45

Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:02 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 4):

Some days it has departed MAN completely full which is strange, why haven't they blocked seats ex MUC? part of me reckons they are playing about with it slightly to test the viability of going non stop again. Indeed I would be surprised if it did.

Quoting cipango (Reply 3):

Aircraft shortage Is one of the reasons for the drop in frequency, double daily already in the system for Sep or Oct this year can't remember. Should be 787 by then....
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RE: MAN News 45

Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:59 am

Quoting danfearn77 (Reply 5):
part of me reckons they are playing about with it slightly to test the viability of going non stop again. Indeed I would be surprised if it did.

When are SQ's 789's due to be delivered? Could it go non-stop again then? Surely these longer thinner routes are perfect 787 territory?
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:33 am

Any news on T3 upgrade and airside transit pass to T1?
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:29 pm

Are there any stats on how the TAP LIS is doing?
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:41 pm

Quoting lisbonbearuk (Reply 8):
Are there any stats on how the TAP LIS is doing?

I don't have any stats or references, but I do remember reading somewhere that LIS is doing well with TP.
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RE: MAN News 45

Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:31 pm

LIS: 3534 pax in January, something like 44 flights so we're talking an average load of 80 pax
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting danfearn77 (Reply 5):
Aircraft shortage Is one of the reasons for the drop in frequency


That's the official line anyway. Pilot shortage is apparently the reason.
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RE: MAN News 45

Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:39 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 1):
MAD had over 10000 pax. Would love to see the breakdown of this!

A couple of days ago I was looking at random flights to Madrid for next week..............I noticed fares from MAN were consistently higher from MAN than they were from LPL, which is pretty telling considering LPL has one flight a day.
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:43 am

I see LX-STC is due to ferry from MAN to Kemble today. That's strange - anywhere to Kemble is normally a one way flight for "recycling"!
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:39 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 10):
LIS: 3534 pax in January, something like 44 flights so we're talking an average load of 80 pax
Quoting cipango (Reply 9):
I don't have any stats or references, but I do remember reading somewhere that LIS is doing well with TP.
Quoting lisbonbearuk (Reply 8):
Are there any stats on how the TAP LIS is doing?

I just did a quick search for flights in August, service remains 6xWeekly with 4 out of 6 services being flown by PGA F100, other 2 frequencies remain TP A319.
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:25 pm

Are Continental/United moving to T3. Just looking at flights to SAN and its coming up on Expedia that the flight to IAD departs and arrives from T3?
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:56 pm

Quoting dptMAN (Reply 15):

Are Continental/United moving to T3. Just looking at flights to SAN and its coming up on Expedia that the flight to IAD departs and arrives from T3?

I read somewhere that long haul airlines will be moving to T1, Charter from T2 and One World from T3?

If UA were to be moving I thought it would be to T1.
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RE: MAN News 45

Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:00 pm

Quoting dptMAN (Reply 15):
Are Continental/United moving to T3. Just looking at flights to SAN and its coming up on Expedia that the flight to IAD departs and arrives from T3?

Sure it wasn't a codeshare with BD?

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RE: MAN News 45

Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:17 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 16):
I read somewhere that long haul airlines will be moving to T1, Charter from T2 and One World from T3?

If UA were to be moving I thought it would be to T1.

I think this is the long term vision for MAN. Certainly SQ and QR were asked to move but refused, and i think CO and DL were asked too. Airlines like the simple layout of T2.

Trouble is, putting SQ, QR, EY, EK, BG, DL, UA, AA et al in one terminal would make it heaving for small periods of the day, but dead at other times. Morning would be manic, but then there would be a small trickle during the afternoon EY, QR and EK's departed.

Plus, having a charter terminal in T2 with the likes of ZB, TCX, LS and TOM would make it full to bursting during the summer, but dead in winter, certainly in the afternoons.
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RE: MAN News 45

Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:34 pm

Quoting danfearn77 (Reply 18):
I think this is the long term vision for MAN. Certainly SQ and QR were asked to move but refused, and i think CO and DL were asked too. Airlines like the simple layout of T2.


Yes that was the plan, but I think it's since been abandoned. Especially since AF and KL moving to T3 (and rumours of DL joining them.) It was a bad idea anyway, I don't know what T1 has to tempt over the scheduled airlines in T2.

Quoting santos (Reply 14):
4 out of 6 services being flown by PGA F100, other 2 frequencies remain TP A319.


Not exactly good news that.
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RE: MAN News 45

Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:17 pm

Things that make you go hmmmmm..... Try looking at the QR timetable for the MAN services. "Change of equipment" seems to be quite popular. Yet we have A330 listed in other services. So welcome to the 787? Attempt to book the flights and it's A330s all the way.

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 19):
Not exactly good news that.

Not that surprised - perhaps this is due to the percevied lack of business travel in summer? Have looked at a few dates in September (different days of the week) and "booking" the flight shows the type as A319
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:38 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 20):
Things that make you go hmmmmm..... Try looking at the QR timetable for the MAN services. "Change of equipment" seems to be quite popular. Yet we have A330 listed in other services. So welcome to the 787? Attempt to book the flights and it's A330s all the way.

From rumours at work i believe QR will introduce the 787 around September time, roughly when they revert back to double daily.
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RE: MAN News 45

Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:41 am

Hi,

Just sat at T1 waiting for a flight. I've noticed EK20 is still here from last night now departing as EK8020 at 10:00 (now 10:40). Any idea what the delay is due to? Also a FinnComm E170 on stand too?

Thanks
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RE: MAN News 45

Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:37 pm

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 22):
Also a FinnComm E170 on stand too?

Not sure about the EK but the FinnComm has been in a few times I think, just operating the Finnair service.
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RE: MAN News 45

Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:26 pm

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 22):
Just sat at T1 waiting for a flight. I've noticed EK20 is still here from last night now departing as EK8020 at 10:00 (now 10:40). Any idea what the delay is due to?

Came in tech last night - computer system fault, engineers tried to fix the problem but no joy so it had no option but to nightstop with a part coming overnight from DXB.

If it wasn't tech last night it would of gone a bit late anyway, as the crew were from the morning EK22, due to the A380 aircraft change on the EK18.

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RE: MAN News 45

Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:28 pm

Flybe have annouced an increase in flights from MAN, along with improved connections from many destinations:

"Leading regional airline offers additional 86 convenient regional point-to-point connections and choice of 12 new flights by optimising scheduling options through Manchester"

http://www.flybe.com/corporate/media/news/1203/08.htm
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:48 pm

Quoting Mattuk (Reply 25):

Great news for MAN!   It said on BBC's Northwest tonight that MAN was to become it's biggest base. It doesn't say this in the article though, so not sure how accurate that is.
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RE: MAN News 45

Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:23 pm

AA's back to using 767s on the ORD run from June
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:51 pm

This is interesting, flybe are actually changing their business model. They have fallen into the red and so are moving to what BA used to offer through MAN, a hub and spoke operation. Sounds really good in theory, hope it manages to make some money for them.
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:21 am

Today's EK17 is being operated by a B773ER, A6-EBM to be precise. Why not an A388? What the hell is going on?
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:00 am

Emirates are checking their A380s for wing cracks, and the last time I counted four of their A380s where performing these checks. With 17 and not 21 A380s available these must be replaced with something else - like the 777-300ER. Which flights to down grade I suppose Emirates will select based on one normal sound economic principal - were will we loose the least. MAN seems to be that place today.
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:31 am

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 30):
Emirates are checking their A380s for wing cracks, and the last time I counted four of their A380s where performing these checks. With 17 and not 21 A380s available these must be replaced with something else - like the 777-300ER. Which flights to down grade I suppose Emirates will select based on one normal sound economic principal - were will we loose the least. MAN seems to be that place today.

Ah of course, I wonder if the B773ER that they are using is equipped with first class suites or whether it is a 2 class version as used on the evening rotation at MAN?
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:00 pm

Quoting boysteve (Reply 29):
What the hell is going on?

Calm down lol. For whatever reason it's a simple equipment change. You make it sound like we have six foot of snow in August.
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RE: MAN News 45

Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:08 pm

Quoting boysteve (Reply 31):
course, I wonder if the B773ER that they are using is equipped with first class suites or whether it is a 2 class version as used on the evening rotation at MAN?

Has been the usual 2 class version A6-EBC and EBM most recent I think

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RE: MAN News 45

Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:04 pm

Things are looking very quiet at MAN recently with no new routes/developments etc.

I was wondering, what routes are on the pipeline?

I know there is potentially a new route to PEK or PVG.

But what about:
- US to CLT
- UA to IAH
- WY to MCT
- TG to BKK
- SU to SVO
- AC to YYZ
- CX to HKG
- AI/9W to DEL/BOM
- More VS destinations..
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RE: MAN News 45

Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:08 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 34):
Things are looking very quiet at MAN recently with no new routes/developments etc.

Hold on.....

AA to ORD back up to a B763 for summer   

BE announce intention to make MAN a genuine hub for their operations   

CAA stats for February show a 10%+ increase   

TK increasing to 10 weekly   

EK upgauging the 21/22 to a B77W   

More FR news imminent   

LH report their largest annual increase in passenger totals for 2011 through MAN   

New tower taking shape at a pace   

Strong indications MAN will be a B787 destination for QR from the autumn   

Both Monarch and Jet2 rolling increased schedules and new destinations out.   

EY claim MAN to be one of their top 10 performing routes and announce a recruitment drive to create their European headquarters at MAN   

At a time when other UK points are languishing or shrinking, MAN seems to be a rare shining star presently.

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RE: MAN News 45

Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:59 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 34):
US to CLT

Might not happen for a year or two. Not totally convinced this is the next American destination that MAN should be targetting.

Quoting cipango (Reply 34):
UA to IAH

No chance. Think we need to make sure that the IAD service succeeds, and perhaps see capacity increase on the EWR service next year.

Quoting cipango (Reply 34):
WY to MCT

Would be on a hiding to nothing, especially if we do end up with both EK and EY goingto 4 daily in the next 3 years.

Quoting cipango (Reply 34):
TG to BKK

The perennial question. MAN states that is one of the the biggest unserved markets but 99% of demand is going to by tourism-based and not business-based. It's time may come with a 2-class 787 (they are taking delivery of them from 2014 onwards according to wiki) or A350 (delivery after 2016)

Quoting cipango (Reply 34):
SU to SVO

May not happen whilst the APD is pitched at a high level and i'm not sure that what was proposed (a daily service) would have been correct; 2 or 3 weekly would be better to test it out.

Quoting cipango (Reply 34):
AC to YYZ

Only prospect is for a summer seasonal service with different cost structure in place at AC.

Quoting cipango (Reply 34):
CX to HKG.

Looks like this is a another route that may come online only with a 787 or A350 despite the large number of pax travelling there via LHR and other hubs

Quoting cipango (Reply 34):
AI/9W to DEL/BOM

Not overly sure that this route will come on the horizon given the reputed poor financial performance of the airlines.

Quoting cipango (Reply 34):
More VS destinations..

As Branson has indicated that it's LHR for expansion then we can rule them out! If that doesn't happen, with the advent of the smaller capacity aircraft and tie-in with Virgin Holidays, it may not be too unreasonable to see UVF (744s were too big for the route when last operated), LAX or MIA. Just wonder whether 744s would be needed at MAN in future - perhaps having a "proper" based fleet of 3 or 4 787s with MCO being double daily and allow BGI to be 2 weekly year round with some routes? Wish I could be brave to state they would look for more business-based offering but I can't see that h
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:26 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 36):
The perennial question. MAN states that is one of the the biggest unserved markets but 99% of demand is going to by tourism-based and not business-based.

To be fair with Thailand, is it anything but tourism from any European airport? Ok some VFR, but this is also a form of tourism. Using this as a reason not to serve a destination seems strange, as tourism accounts for so much of an airlines business that to ignore it seems narrow minded. (or cutting of your nose to spite your face.)

[Edited 2012-03-18 10:31:02]
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RE: MAN News 45

Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:00 pm

Condor B763 G-DAJC currently on its way to MAN as CFG677. Is this for maintenance or early lease return?
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:04 pm

The problem is that there not many scheduled airlines who would configure a long-haul aircraft specifically as all economy as they would also want to target some premium paying pax. Something like 10J 240Y configuration for the 787-800? Think the last time there was a point-to-point link between MAN and BKK would have been 1989ish when Air Europe ran a weekly 747 charter (flight number AE159/158)
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:10 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 36):
The perennial question. MAN states that is one of the the biggest unserved markets but 99% of demand is going to by tourism-based and not business-based. It's time may come with a 2-class 787 (they are taking delivery of them from 2014 onwards according to wiki) or A350 (delivery after 2016)

Thailand is a booming destination recently with many students heading there in the summer season and many couples going for a retreat year round. It may not be the best route for premium seats but I feel a ZB service or TCX (in a better economic climate) to HKT would do very well, or even as mentioned in another thread, a VS service.
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RE: MAN News 45

Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:51 pm

TCX to Thailand is a no no! I'd much rather put my money with TOM starting Phuket when the 787's arrive.

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 35):

That was a really good round up. Cheers. Are you Aware of anything from FR and when we can expect an announcment? Their loads picking up and looking promising of late.

Plenty of things to cheer about at MAN at the moment. As other airports (notibly NCL, STN, BHX, LPL) saw decreases last month even with the extra day, MAN grew around 6-7%.
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RE: MAN News 45

Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:41 pm

Also excluding a month or two, i believe SQ will be back up to daily. Still via SIN but watch this space regarding that i think...
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RE: MAN News 45

Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting danfearn77 (Reply 42):
Still via SIN but watch this space regarding that i think...

You mean via MUC?
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RE: MAN News 45

Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:22 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 43):

Haha yes of course, well spotted! My bad! Still via MUC at the moment, but route performing well (hence staying daily-apart from a few selected weeks in april/may i believe? and heard a few niggles here and there about it going non stop...
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RE: MAN News 45

Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:30 pm

Quoting danfearn77 (Reply 44):
heard a few niggles here and there about it going non stop...

loads are appreciably up. For February, pas number were 8527 which was up 32% on last year. Loads = 142 per flight

Daresay that SQ may have done some realigning of the capacity split between MAN and MUC, have seen elsewhere suggestion that MUC is not performing as might be expected.
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:40 pm

It appears that MAN-SIN is a fluctuating market. It was a 5 weekly direct 772 service with the other 2 days service via ZRH on a 744. Then it became a daily 772, then 5 weekly, then daily MAN-MUC-SIN on 77W.

It would be great if they went daily, but I don't want them to drop via MUC, then find out MAN-SIN direct wasn't as profitable as they had hoped and then drop MAN altogether.
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RE: MAN News 45

Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:22 pm

I think they will struggle cost wise with oil at USD125/barrel for a 14 hour leg SIN-MAN on an B772ER, which as great a plane as it is, is not the newest technology. Also the MAN-SIN-Oz leisure market is not exactly high yielding! However I think when SQ take delivery of their B789s (whenever that maybe) MAN is a perfect long-thin route for it, not as big as the B772ER but with much better CASM. Surely it is in SQ's interest to keep the MAN route warm until they have the B789 otherwise they will have sacrificed a perfect B789 route to EK et al in the mean time.
 
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RE: MAN News 45

Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:05 pm

Hi,

I was driving home from work this evening, about 18:20, and saw an aircraft fly over that I couldn't quite make out. It appeared to be carrying SAS markings, but looked to be longer than the A320 / B737 aircraft they usually use. Anyone any idea what it would be? Looking at flight arrivals, I initially thought it might have been the GOT, based purely on the arrival time, but this was an ERJ145.

Any ideas what it could have been?

Many thanks.

[Edited 2012-03-22 13:10:53]
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RE: MAN News 45

Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:13 pm

Quoting ferengi80 (Reply 48):
Any idea what equipment the SK8677 from Gothenburg this evening? It arrived at MAN at 1825. It flew over me as I was driving home, but couldn't quite see what it was. I know they usually use an A320, but it looked a lot bigger than that!!

This is a codeshare operated by CF (Cityairline), usually operated by EMB-145s. SAS don't operate A320's just yet, although that is set to change soon.

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