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Turkish Aviation March 2012

Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:12 pm

Greetings Turkish Aviation Fans,
Here is another thread, another March;


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We had some big news last month;
-TK's preliminary financial results for 2011, a big loss
-UA to start EWR-IST on July 2nd, 2012

The financials of TK, we can talk and will talk in detail for sometime to come but the general consensus was that 2012 will be very decisive how TK is dealing with this loss, or if things are turning around.
UA's flight, which had its own thread, got cut short due to JFK/EWR debate. I think there is still room to discuss this here. For me, this flight is going to make DL's life harder. Also this might put an end to any other Turkish company's dreams to fly to NYC from IST.
What do you guys think? Is there any more room besides IST? For Pegasus SAW-JFK? Or TK ESB-JFK?

On other news;
-Liquid ban finally starts at airports in Turkey
-New planes to join TK and Pegasus and others with the summer season coming closer.
-A list of older planes to leave TK fleet this year; 2 x 343s, 3 x 321s, 2 x 319s, 2 x 737-700s.


Besides all these;
A though year is waiting TK. Oil prices seems to be going higher and higher. Competition is getting tougher, UA from EWR, LH from Germany, new Asian carriers.
In the past, I raised a question about who will be TK competing in the future? Even though some airlines are getting smaller, some new ones will be challenging. Look at Alitalia, in a few more years it might be up there. Also Aeroflot is doubling its fleet size in the next two years. Even Pegasus will be challenging TK more and more. What are your thoughts on the competition TK is facing?


Well...., can't wait for your ideas, rumors, news, corrections and good old sense of humor.

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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:27 pm

Another topic may be the construction of a 4th runway as reported by Ugur Cebeci.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:01 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
What do you guys think? Is there any more room besides IST? For Pegasus SAW-JFK? Or TK ESB-JFK?

I think, Pegasus is doing a great job, because they doing it the right way. They made a steady and continous growth with streamlining and renewing the fleet, concentrating on SAW, offering the right product and chosing the right destinations. markets in Germany, UK, France and Italy are very price driven. local O/D passengers and especially foreign passengers prefer Pegasus for that reason. a smart business plan by Sabanci and his team.
however, in my eyes this is the very same reason why a SAW-JFK wouldn't work under current circumstances. the fixed costs are simply too high to keep a service like this yearround. nevertheless, the cooperation with Air Berlin might generate some revenues (via DUS and BER). especially for longhaul they should concentrate on that.



Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
A though year is waiting TK. Oil prices seems to be going higher and higher. Competition is getting tougher, UA from EWR, LH from Germany, new Asian carriers.
In the past, I raised a question about who will be TK competing in the future? Even though some airlines are getting smaller, some new ones will be challenging. Look at Alitalia, in a few more years it might be up there. Also Aeroflot is doubling its fleet size in the next two years. Even Pegasus will be challenging TK more and more. What are your thoughts on the competition TK is facing?

it's going to be very though! airlines from all directions are adding flights and/or increasing capacities to IST. you mentioned UA's new EWR service, LH will add BER, AF already added MRS and TLS is coming at the end of this month, BA will have 3x daily LHR from which two are operated with 767, EK is aiming 2x daily 77W flights, QR is adding some frequencies to DOH, CZ ops to PEK, SQ nonstop to SIN, and some more to come...
TK needs better answers for this...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:04 am

I think that although Turkey's location allows TK to act as a transfer point between North / South America - Asia, Europe - Asia, Europe - Africa, it still needs a foot in at least one of the two other lucrative routes, namely Europe - North America and Pacific. Of course the second one seems unlikely, and as a result I think TK needs somehow to capture part of Europe to US / Canada traffic. This may be by acquiring a European airline and setting a small hub somewhere there, or dirivng down prices such that people will go out of their way to travel via IST.

I also think that Aeroflot is a major issue. EK / EY / QR are well-known by now, but SU is a mystery. If they resolve transfers via Moscow, they will give TK a run for the money with their huge home market advantage.
 
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Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:41 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 3):
I think that although Turkey's location allows TK to act as a transfer point between North / South America - Asia, Europe - Asia, Europe - Africa, it still needs a foot in at least one of the two other lucrative routes, namely Europe - North America and Pacific. Of course the second one seems unlikely, and as a result I think TK needs somehow to capture part of Europe to US / Canada traffic. This may be by acquiring a European airline and setting a small hub somewhere there, or dirivng down prices such that people will go out of their way to travel via IST.

a 2-stop flight via another airport in EU can only be attractive if the price is right (namely low). than you can attract people from the Indian subcontinent, Africa and Middle East (even the Balkans). however, this equals to zero profit for TK and the same operating results at the end of the year.



Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 3):
I also think that Aeroflot is a major issue. EK / EY / QR are well-known by now, but SU is a mystery. If they resolve transfers via Moscow, they will give TK a run for the money with their huge home market advantage.

indeed, SU is a mystery! over the past weeks I only see their IL96s with capacity over 250 seats in IST. have no idea about the loads, but judging from my perception a lot of Russians around...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:21 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):

Hi there according to this http://www.fly.to/ch-aviation it looks like the 1st A340 TC-JIJ has already left the fleet i don't know how correct this information is though ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:44 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 4):
a 2-stop flight via another airport in EU can only be attractive if the price is right (namely low). than you can attract people from the Indian subcontinent, Africa and Middle East (even the Balkans). however, this equals to zero profit for TK and the same operating results at the end of the year.

What I was trying to say was, if TK controlled LOT, it could turn LOT into an airline that collects passengers from central / eastern Europe and sends to northeast Asia and north America. But I guess it's all far-fetched for now...

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 4):
indeed, SU is a mystery! over the past weeks I only see their IL96s with capacity over 250 seats in IST. have no idea about the loads, but judging from my perception a lot of Russians around...

And they have ordered 77W, 787 and 350... They are the ones to watch!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:06 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 2):
BA will have 3x daily LHR from which two are operated with 767,

TK also has about 6-7 daily to London, plus Pegasus and Easyjet and others. Is there really this much demand?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:53 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 7):
TK also has about 6-7 daily to London, plus Pegasus and Easyjet and others. Is there really this much demand?

I would say, there is a high demand to London (the same goes for NYC), but with the recent additions this might lead to an overcapacity situation.



TK 1981 IST 07:45 LGW 09:55 321 0 1234567 04:10
TK 1979 IST 07:55 LHR 10:05 EQV 0 1234567 04:10
BA 675 IST 08:55 LHR 11:05 320 0 1234567 04:10
PC 501 SAW 10:20 STN 12:15 738 0 1234567 03:55
TK 1989 IST 10:30 LHR 12:30 321 0 1----6- 04:00
KK 911 IST 10:45 STN 12:40 320 0 12345-7 03:55
TK 1997 IST 12:20 LGW 14:25 738 0 1234567 04:05
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BA 679 IST 13:55 LHR 16:05 767 0 1234567 04:10
TK 1991 IST 14:35 LHR 16:35 321 0 -----6- 04:00
BA 677 IST 17:35 LHR 19:40 767 0 1234567 04:05
TK 1983 IST 19:00 LHR 21:00 EQV 0 1234567 04:00
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PC 519 SAW 21:00 STN 22:55 738 0 1234567 03:55
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:43 am

Could anyone at TK help me out with a seat availability question for a flight on March 2? Please message me! Thanks
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:10 am

Turkish Airlines has taken back its A319 from Air B&H, apparently because there was a disagreement with the government of Bosnia.
This is not surprising at all, that airline has been the image of inefficiency!
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:34 am

new bilaterals between Turkey and D.R. Congo have been signed. it allows to operate 7 weekly pax and cargo frequencies per week. of course, this leads to the assumption that TK sooner or later will open FIH (Kinshasa) flights.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:10 am

TK announces additional destinations in 2012; YNB, TIF and OSS.
ISE announcements; TK has decided to start Yanbu, Ta’if and Osh on 2012, based on aircraft availability and upon obtaining the Civil Aviation authorizations.
Source: http://www.kap.gov.tr/yay/Bildirim/Bildirim.aspx?id=188033 (Turkish Only)
http://www.kap.gov.tr/yay/Bildirim/Bildirim.aspx?id=188031 (Turkish Only)
http://www.kap.gov.tr/yay/Bildirim/Bildirim.aspx?id=188030 (Turkish Only)

[Edited 2012-03-03 01:16:43]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:02 am

Quoting TK748 (Reply 12):
TK announces additional destinations in 2012; YNB, TIF and OSS.

Already 20 or so new destinations announced. I think this makes IST one of the most connected cities in the world?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:14 pm

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
In the past, I raised a question about who will be TK competing in the future?

I think TK's biggest competitor right now is TK itself. They need to keep up the quality and safety while getting bigger and that's not an easy task.

I don't believe any of the Turkish companies can compete with TK. Pegasus is planning to get bigger, but so far I haven't seen any numbers which indicates that they are a profitable company. Rumours says quite the opposite, with the loss of contract in Belgium and too much competition with SunEx on domestic flights. Sabanci may also get in trouble if AB doesn't start to show positive numbers and that may indirectly affect Pegasus. I don't see OnurAir or AtlasJet making any competition to TK since they both focus to stay alive with Middle-East flights.

I don't believe either that many foreign companies can compete with TK. All European companies have higher cost structures, lacks a good location as Istanbul and doesn't have the same support from the government. The only future competitor I can see is EK. They have about the same philosophy, same cost structure, government support. The only thing that TK is lacking against EK is:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 1):
Another topic may be the construction of a 4th runway as reported by Ugur Cebeci.

The lack of airport facilities as well as movement restrictions might slow down TK in the long run. According to me a 4th runway is indispensable and may even be sufficient for quite a few years. Since TK is planning to slow down the expansion, they may not need a 3rd airport in Istanbul for the nearest future.

just my 2 cents
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:14 pm

Quoting cuban8 (Reply 14):
The only future competitor I can see is EK. They have about the same philosophy, same cost structure, government support.

I would like to add;
-TK gets half of its pax domestically. EK doesn't have this luxury. As long as TK can protect its home turf, it can afford to take risks in other markets.
-TK has a tourism market 4-5 times bigger than of UAE.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:36 pm

Today it's exactly 38 years after the crash of flight TK 981. The plane took off with a 346 people on board. Did Turkish had 5th freedom rights for CDG- LHR? If not, how is it possible that people could fly with Turkish or did British European Airways buy up all empty seats to allow its own passengers fly with Turkish?
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Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:57 pm

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 16):
Today it's exactly 38 years after the crash of flight TK 981. The plane took off with a 346 people on board. Did Turkish had 5th freedom rights for CDG- LHR? If not, how is it possible that people could fly with Turkish or did British European Airways buy up all empty seats to allow its own passengers fly with Turkish?

I am pretty sure it war ORY-LHR. In fact it was only around 10 years or so ago that TK moved its operations to CDG. In fact, CDG went into service the same year this crash took place, probably later in the year.

Back to the original question; I guess since back then most international operations were made of multiple stops, 5th freedom was more widely available. Someone else might have a better answer.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:09 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 17):
I am pretty sure it war ORY-LHR.

Yes it should be ORY instead of CDG, should have checked it before I posted it  
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 17):
Back to the original question; I guess since back then most international operations were made of multiple stops, 5th freedom was more widely available. Someone else might have a better answer.

Thanks for your reply. Yes, Turkish's European network was mainly operated with multiple stop flights, but were they allowed to sell seats for intra-European flight only? If so, why aren't they doing this now on the busy Paris-London route?
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:18 pm

Turkish's third 737-900ER was due to fly BFI-GED yesterday for fuel tank installation, but its flight plan timed out and it never left. Whenever it does go to GED it'll fly as BOE613.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:24 pm

Quoting Drewski2112 (Reply 19):

Thanks Drewski, I got the alert yesterday.
And thanks for all your hard work/Journal over the years keeping us informed about the 737 Line.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:33 pm

Latest TK 333 -JNO,
Titles on the belly, will this be for the whole LH fleet one day?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/florent...6938703017/sizes/l/in/photostream/
 
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Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:06 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 21):
Latest TK 333 -JNO,
Titles on the belly, will this be for the whole LH fleet one day?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/florent...ream/

I hope so, looks gorgeous   Is it possible to do this with A340s at all, with the center main undercarriage?
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:06 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 21):
Titles on the belly, will this be for the whole LH fleet one day?

Saw them on several others also, just like this 777:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Turki...lines/Boeing-777-3F2-ER/2074584/L/
So I guess they will be applied on the whole LH fleet
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:18 am

 
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:58 pm

Good morning everyone,
Could someone explain what is "Open Gates" at IST, thanks.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:42 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 25):
Good morning everyone,
Could someone explain what is "Open Gates" at IST, thanks

simply the elimination of security checks at every single gate. they move them to a central location before or right after the passport checkpoints. AFAIK there is still an additional sec.check for US bound flights.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:02 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 26):

Thanks Stylo,
So gates are open, but you still have to go through couple of Xrays before you end up at Duty Free shops; one at the main door and one at Passport Control.
 
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Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:10 pm

Quoting ju068 (Reply 10):
Turkish Airlines has taken back its A319 from Air B&H, apparently because there was a disagreement with the government of Bosnia.
This is not surprising at all, that airline has been the image of inefficiency!

Maybe lately, but JA hasn't been this desperate image from the very beginning.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:34 am

February 2012 traffic results are out at the DHMI website (www.dhmi.gov.tr). 9,3% domestic, 17,1% international growth overall.

A few things strike me:

Small airports keep shrinking, while large ones keep growing, which is at odds with aviation becoming more widely used by all markets.

Across the board, international is actually down, save IST, SAW and ESB. The rest are actually witnessing declines, but thanks to IST growing even faster, overall there is growth.

SAW is now almost stagnating, I guess not good for PC. Have they lost momentum?

Adana, Sivas and Gaziantep are growing healthy, a la IST.

Here are numbers for a few airports:

Domestic Int'l Total
IST 2069962 (22%) 3646607 (27%) 5713569 (24%
ESB 1177474 (6%) 180031 (5%) 1357495 (6%)
ADB 1008971 (9%) 166859 (-4%) 1175830 (7%)
AYT 662497 (16%) 571447 (-7%) 1233944 (4%)
SAW 9074277 (8%) 555511 (4%) 1918531 (6%)
ADA 521863 (22%) 95817 (33%) 617680 (23%)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:09 am

Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 28):
Maybe lately, but JA hasn't been this desperate image from the very beginning.

Well, it did operate only two Atr-72s until Turkish came into the game, so it is not that difficult to run an airline with only two aircraft.
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:36 am

SQ once again splitting ATH and IST. The 5th freedom flight between IST-ATH, reported here (https://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/204918) by dear Philip, was rather short lived. IST goes down to 5 weekly from 6 weekly. I wonder if the 1-stop flight had too much competition from TK / QR / EK, or is the Greek economy recovering?
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:24 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 31):
SQ once again splitting ATH and IST. The 5th freedom flight between IST-ATH, reported here (https://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/204918) by dear Philip, was rather short lived.

AFAIK it was only for the slow Winter period. The Summer timetable warrants seperate flights for IST and ATH. Indeed the split comes back Winter 2012 according to the flight schedules.

On another note nice mini brochures for the Greek market from TK :

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/ATHTK.jpg
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http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/athtk1.jpg
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:24 pm

Quoting ju068 (Reply 30):
so it is not that difficult to run an airline with only two aircraft.

Currently they may not be able to run the company even with these two turboprops. Facts and figures are showing they are going rapidly down.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:15 am

Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 33):
Currently they may not be able to run the company even with these two turboprops. Facts and figures are showing they are going rapidly down.

If the ongoing talks with TK do not go as planned then I fear they do not have a bright future ahead of them...



On a side note, Air France is suspending their planned three weekly flights from Nice to Istanbul Ataturk.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:12 am

Hi all,

A quick question: I was driving past the airport yesterday and saw an all white Airbus 330 parked across the domestic terminal. Any info regarding this plane??

Thanks..
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Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:17 am

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 35):
A quick question: I was driving past the airport yesterday and saw an all white Airbus 330 parked across the domestic terminal. Any info regarding this plane??

it's one of Atlasjets' 332, I presume the one they just brought back from Asia
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:24 am

TK Bremen and Leipzig schedules published.

26.04-28.05

IST-BRE 2467 11:25-13:40
BRE-IST 2467 14:30-18:35

28.05-

Daily

28.05-25.06

IST-LEJ 1357 11:55-13:50
LEJ-IST 1357 14:45-18:40

25.06-

Daily
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:21 pm

I just had an adventure with TK, the kind normally you would see in stone age carriers. Unfortunately, TK has a looong long way to become a global airline.

The story is; I have a domestic ticket tomorrow, bought a couple of months ago. I wanted to do an online check-in and went to the website, but it gave an error and said I need to talk to call THY due to a problem with the ticket. I called THY - guess what, the time of the flight changed, though nothing major, the time of the flight changed by 10 minutes only.

Ok, no big deal (even though nobody called or emailed me about the time change), I cannot do online check-in now, because I have to go to the Airport or a TK ticket sales office (the nearest one is at least 20kms) and get the ticket fixed. Apparently they cant (or wont) do it over the phone. This is ridiculous, I cannot imagine this happening to me if this was an international flight and I was somewhere far away from Turkey and requested to go to the THY ticket office.

Not cool TK. Should've bought tickets from Pegasus as usual, I get a problem with TK every time I fly them.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:51 pm

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 38):

Globally yours,
I am on the phone trying to do the same thing now. JFK-IST TK12 flight time changed, now they tell me it needs to be re-ticketed.
-If you change your flight time, why don't you fix my ticket?
-If not possible, why don't you send me an email, rather then me finding it out just by luck?
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:27 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 39):
-If you change your flight time, why don't you fix my ticket?

Exactly!!

Think about this nonsense happening in Emirates, or Singapore !
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:50 pm

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 40):

Well,
In this day and age, there should be an app for this.

In my case, it is an award ticket from UA Mileage Plus, so might make it a bit complicated.

-6 months ago, I cash in my UA miles to fly on TK 12. JFK-IST flight TK12 leaves at 11pm.
-Late Feb. TK changes flight time to 00:05am, now it becomes a date change.
-UA thinks I changed the return date of my flight, need to re-ticket
-UA/CO merges, now I have a different UA reservation number.

Through all this, someone could send me an email and I can help them solve their problems. NO EMAILS!

Just by luck, today I go to the UA website to see this "!", warning to call UA. After 52 minutes on the phone with this nice lady in India, she says it is all good. Should I believe her? No. I will call TK to see if they got the message.

After a pleasant 4 min. call to TK, I find that everything is all good, but found out that the seat I reserved got changed. She fixed that for me. Let's see what happens, fingers crossed.

All this seems sooooo 20th century! Really? Do I really need to spend 1.5 hours on the phone with Star Partners, just because one changed the departure time of one of its flights?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:06 pm

Hello everyone,

I have just seen that SAS starts to operate Oslo-Gazipasa twice a week during summer months. It is quite a surprise for me.

SK4773 OSL0655 – 1220GZP thursdays
SK4773 OSL1350 – 1910GZP tuesdays

SK4774 GZP1310 – 1625OSL thursdays
SK4774 GZP2000 – 2315OSL tuesdays

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 40):
Think about this nonsense happening in Emirates, or Singapore !

What Singapore did in the same situation was sending an SMS 3 months in advance to me, apologizing for the change and reissuing the ticket with the same reservation number.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:13 pm

What are the chances of an IST-MIA route? I know some members on here have mentioned this is a high possibility to happen sometime soon.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:24 pm

THY is working on it. But the next point should be Atlanta.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:38 pm

Quoting tozbek (Reply 44):

Really? Coming from you it is more than a rumor.
Last we heard it was Boston, Detroit, Houston, Miami and maybe Montreal.
-Nothing this year?
-Probably nothing next year, with what extra airframes laying around?

What I heard last night at a dinner with a TK 77W captain friend of mine ( not expecting this also) possibly;
-a one-stop SYD.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:49 pm

Quoting tozbek (Reply 44):
THY is working on it. But the next point should be Atlanta.

We keep hearing MIA, IAH, BOS, DTW, ATL, etc ... are you saying "should be" ... because:

1. You know internal news that THY is actively planning on it already?
2. The Route has high traffic or Atlanta has a large Turkish community?
3. The IAD aircraft sits there for a long time and thus it is an easy tag-on?
4. Or ... you live/lived/'ll live in metro Atlanta or you have family there ...  

  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:45 pm

Quoting NuD38 (Reply 42):
I have just seen that SAS starts to operate Oslo-Gazipasa twice a week during summer months.

And now this; Air Finland HEL-GZP with 757-200;
http://airlineroute.net/2012/03/09/of-helgzp-s12/
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:29 pm

It sounds interesting with Boeing 757-200!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation March 2012

Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:52 pm

I'm trying to book JFK - IST on TK in march and I want to get the miles with UA MileagePlus and I have a connecting flight on US which let me enter my FF info when booking, however on TK you can only enter your Miles&Smiles. How do I get the miles for the travel? Do I have to call TK or do I need to give my MileagePlus info at check in at JFK?
They should make this easier on their website in 2012 you shouldn't have to call regarding an issue like this.

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