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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:40 am

GRU-AKL is tough it would probably range from between about 6900 to 7300nm ESAD according to two different flight plans that I have seen. EDTO 330 is assumed. Non stop GRU-AKL a 77E is good for about 28 to 34t payload or about max passenger load. The 77W has somewhat better legs at about 39t to 44t. Adding a stop at EZE makes a big difference by reducing the distance by ~900nm and adding at least 10t of payload.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:02 am

Some of you may be interested in this pic of NZ seats. There looks to be alot going on under the BP seats!

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz339/timboeing777/cabin.jpg
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:20 am

NZ is pulling out of Beijing in favour of upping Shanghai services. Link below:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/worl...Z-pulls-Beijing-route-ups-Shanghai

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:49 am

Just a thought, and not sure this is the right thread for it, but pretty sure there will be some infomred opinions here.

Since NZ stopped the weekly flight from AKL-TBU-APW-LAX, because the Tongan government chose not to renew their partial underwrite of the route and the Samoan one couldn't afford it alone, is there potential for VirginAustralia to now pick it up with their new A330-200? Both countries miss the link to the US - freight/trade, tourism, business - and Tonga's new King has a history of strongly supporting aviation, plus Samoa has financial links with Virgin of course. May not be the time for it yet, but the A332 should be a great craft for the route and the business layout the right one - 763 won't be around forever and the 789 will be way too much plane.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:10 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 153):
Since NZ stopped the weekly flight from AKL-TBU-APW-LAX, because the Tongan government chose not to renew their partial underwrite of the route and the Samoan one couldn't afford it alone, is there potential for VirginAustralia to now pick it up with their new A330-200?

Virgin have a finite number of A330's with these frame already dedicated to high yield Aussie routes and maybe in the future, a number of Asian routes with growth potential. Why would they want to utilise a valuable (and limited!) resource on a marginal route that requires government assistance to make it viable?

Good thinking outside the box, but I just can't see it.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:41 pm

Fiji's military regime has seized control of FJ.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/worl...tary-seizes-control-of-Air-Pacific

What implications could this have on NZs shares in FJ, NZs codeshares with FJ and FJs services to AKL?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:35 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 155):
What implications could this have on NZs shares in FJ, NZs codeshares with FJ and FJs services to AKL?

It probably depends on how important these are to NZ. Probably they have written down the value of their equity to little or nothing. How dependent is FJ on QF for operational support , for example , keeping the planes in the air?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:43 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 156):

FJs B737 fleet MX gets done in CHC. I believe QF loan FJ a B763 when QF does an FJ B763 MX. How does FJ cover a B744 MX period? Could FJ now send their fleet to Asia for MX as IIRC Asia is loaning Fiji money?

How much does NZs codeshares with FJ to AKL and LAX help FJs loads?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 152):

Out of curiosity, who was this flight targeted for? Two flights a week is not geared toward the business market . My guess is that they were looking at the "wealthy" chinese to go on spending junkets.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:20 pm

Hey guys, just some photos of the ATRs under maintenance from the grounding if anyone is interested.

They will be replacing the effected frames, however repairs were made on some aircraft to get them into service and will have the frames replaced at their next sheduald C-check.

ZK-MCU is in Nelson for scheduled heavy maintenance and will be the last aircraft back in service on April 4th.


 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:36 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 157):
I believe QF loan FJ a B763 when QF does an FJ B763 MX.

Which they have since disposed of in favour for another 738. They wetleased 744s off UA last time their 744s went for heavy maintenance.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 157):
How does FJ cover a B744 MX period?

I was told they used NZ 744s a few times to pick up the slack. Though I'm not sure how they would do it now with 2 frames left
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:05 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 155):
What implications could this have on NZs shares in FJ, NZs codeshares with FJ and FJs services to AKL?

The Fijian government ceases control of the airline doesn't mean foreign investments will be written off. But considering that those morons will probably run the airline like running the air force, the investment will likely to be a write off.

Quoting legacyins (Reply 158):
Out of curiosity, who was this flight targeted for? Two flights a week is not geared toward the business market . My guess is that they were looking at the "wealthy" chinese to go on spending junkets.

Been on the PEK-AKL flight once, mostly filled by Chinese package tourists.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:26 pm

Quoting timb777 (Reply 151):

That is very interesting, thanks for sharing. I assume all those seats are from ZK-NBT and ZK-NBU?

Quoting agent99nzboi (Reply 159):

Very nice photos, that Mount Cook Airlines hangar looks spotless.

Quoting agent99nzboi (Reply 159):
They will be replacing the effected frames

When was this announced? I didn't know that the damage was serious enough to warrant replacement aircraft. I guess they will be exercising some of their options for ATR72-600s then for fleet commonality purposes.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:20 pm

Quoting agent99nzboi (Reply 159):
They will be replacing the effected frames,

You mean frames that the windscreens are mounted into ?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:36 pm

R.E. PEK chop. its funny that a few weeks ago FYFE says that they would not withdraw from any market and now we have this ha-ha, its taken 4 years to find out that the route wasn't going to work - wrong aircraft on it?

it's strange because this week I've notice a lot more of advertising around Beijing for New Zealand, yet still most people did not know there was a direct route,! and only last night I was in a taxi and the TV in the back of the seat was showing a guide to New Zealand by 100 pure NZ ha -ha so could we see Air China have a go at the route now?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:40 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 156):
It probably depends on how important these are to NZ. Probably they have written down the value of their equity to little or nothing. How dependent is FJ on QF for operational support , for example , keeping the planes in the air?

I am told that the Fiji Government has had pretty much had full control over Air Pacific since 2010 when they replaced the previous CEO with their new American one. This decree just makes it so on paper. Unfortunate, as they have done well with the input from QF. We all know what happens when Governments try to run an airline themselves...

Quoting 777ER (Reply 157):

FJs B737 fleet MX gets done in CHC. I believe QF loan FJ a B763 when QF does an FJ B763 MX. How does FJ cover a B744 MX period? Could FJ now send their fleet to Asia for MX as IIRC Asia is loaning Fiji money?

Since a couple of years ago, all B737 MX has been done in HKG with HAECO. Air Pacific terminated the lease of their B763 in January and have since replaced it with an ex Air Berlin B73H. The B744 MX is still done with SQ in SIN.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 160):
They wetleased 744s off UA last time their 744s went for heavy maintenance.

That was a one off in 2008 I believe. The last few times their B744s have gone for heavy maintenance, they have altered their schedule to use just one B744 with no lease replacements.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 161):
I was told they used NZ 744s a few times to pick up the slack.

This was to cover for issues they had a few months back with aircraft breakdowns and crew shortages.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:41 pm

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 165):
so could we see Air China have a go at the route now?

I could be mistaken, but I believe the current Air Services Agreement permits a maximum of 7 weekly flights from each side. CZ already operate a daily CAN-AKL flight, if I am correct there are no available rights for another Chinese carrier.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:08 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 165):
and only last night I was in a taxi and the TV in the back of the seat was showing a guide to New Zealand by 100 pure NZ

Funny, I saw the same ad. Sometimes I get bored in traffic and play the survey games.

As for CA, I could see them starting the route, possible A332, to keep *A active on the route. OR, route them through PVG to connect them to the NZ flight.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:30 am

Can anyone confirm FJ's ownership shareholding? I know the Fiji Govt. has a 51% shareholding but QF are reported to have 46.3% and NZ 3% which doesn't add up especially as the Govt's of Samoa, Kiribati, Tonga (?) and Nauru (?) are supposed to have some very minor shareholding from the inaugural days of the airline when it was to be a pan-Pacific carrier.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:40 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 169):
Can anyone confirm FJ's ownership shareholding? I know the Fiji Govt. has a 51% shareholding but QF are reported to have 46.3% and NZ 3% which doesn't add up especially as the Govt's of Samoa, Kiribati, Tonga (?) and Nauru (?) are supposed to have some very minor shareholding from the inaugural days of the airline when it was to be a pan-Pacific carrier.

According to this, Air NZ has 1.94%:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ass-control-of-air-pacific-370029/

"According to Flightglobal, the Fiji government owns 51% of Air Pacific, Qantas 46.3% and Air New Zealand 1.94%. The governments of Kiribati, Nauru, Samoa, and Tonga hold a combined stake amounting to less than 1%."

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[Edited 2012-03-28 18:41:22]
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:34 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 170):
mariner

Thanks for this, it is as I expected, but someone at NZ is saying the airline has 3%.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:21 am

Ironic to see that this Flightglobal article, on the 787-9's horizontal stabiliser production, is illustrated with an artist's impression of an FJ 789 - this considering the Fijian airline has cancelled their order.

BTW, FJ have confirmed their ownership as Mariner described above...

Quoting mariner (Reply 170):
"According to Flightglobal, the Fiji government owns 51% of Air Pacific, Qantas 46.3% and Air New Zealand 1.94%. The governments of Kiribati, Nauru, Samoa, and Tonga hold a combined stake amounting to less than 1%."

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:50 am

''Air NZ experiences slight passenger dip'' !!

Natural disasters and the strong NZ dollar continues to weigh down Air New Zealand, with the carrier experiencing a slight 2.8 percent dip in passengers carried last month compared to the same month 2011.

The North American market saw the largest decrease for the airline, with 9.5 percent fewer passengers carried from the region. - maybe PAX's don't like the 10 across on the 77W! ??

And they want to increase the US Market?!

http://www.etravelblackboard.co.nz/article.asp?nav=2&id=81295
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:57 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 173):
maybe PAX's don't like the 10 across on the 77W!

Most passengers probably wouldn't know the NZ 77Ws are 10 across until they first step on the plane, but frequent flyer mileage accumulation rates and luggage allowance would be very noticeable before booking.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:58 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 164):

Correct. Not the Whole Aircraft.

Sorry, I can see how it can be interpreted that way now.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:31 am

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 7):
But for those of you looking to get rewarded for loyalty no matter what class, no matter what status all I cans ay is shop around. There are so many better programs out there than airpoints.

Lets be honest, majority of the Air NZ frequent flyers have their tickets paid by their company. So lets say a "businessman" flies AKL to WLG 3 times a week. Over the year he/she gets heaps of airpoints and become a GE. When he takes his personal vacation he/she uses their airpoints for a personal upgrade to business etc.

So when the FF system changed they are now pissed off that they can't get free upgrades on personal flights. They act all important and email management. They are not fooling anyone by saying "Im gonna switch to Qantas! or Jetstar!". They are not the ones who pay for the tickets so they have no choice.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:27 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 173):


The dip could be partially the fact ahat the 77W is smaller than the 744, hence passenger numbers that could be carried will drop anyway by default...
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:10 pm

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 173):
The North American market saw the largest decrease for the airline, with 9.5 percent fewer passengers carried from the region. - maybe PAX's don't like the 10 across on the 77W! ??

Given that QF have pulled out of the market and the American economy continues it's plight in the doldrums, I don't think it's due to NZ doing anything wrong. Wonder if UA will make their anticipated return next year with the inaugural IAH-AKL flights!?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:20 pm

Quoting Aeroflop (Reply 176):
So when the FF system changed they are now pissed off that they can't get free upgrades on personal flights. They act all important and email management. They are not fooling anyone by saying "Im gonna switch to Qantas! or Jetstar!". They are not the ones who pay for the tickets so they have no choice.

You might be quite surprised. Many frequent business travelers have a lot of discretion in which airline they fly. I certainly do - both directly (I can choose) and indirectly (I can influence our corporate procurement). NZ would not be wise to ignore this kind of feedback.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:21 pm

Quoting Aeroflop (Reply 176):
They are not fooling anyone by saying "Im gonna switch to Qantas! or Jetstar!". They are not the ones who pay for the tickets so they have no choice.

I can fly whoever I want to fly, so long as I can get to where I want to go without breaking the bank, the only thing I can't do is fly business class.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:14 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 178):
Wonder if UA will make their anticipated return next year with the inaugural IAH-AKL flights!?

Next year? As far as I knew, it was still on schedule for late this year.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:25 pm

Quoting Aeroflop (Reply 176):
They are not the ones who pay for the tickets so they have no choice.

I think for most organisations, the only requirement for booking an air ticket is to book it through the appointed travel agent. As long as the ticket price is comparable, and the times are convenient, an employee is usually not forced to go with a certain airline.

Looks like it has been confirmed that AR is dumping AKL AR To Drop AKL, Start EZE-SYD Nonstop (by yeogeo Mar 29 2012 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2012-03-29 14:31:51]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:56 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 180):
I can fly whoever I want to fly, so long as I can get to where I want to go without breaking the bank, the only thing I can't do is fly business class.

Ok fair enough. My mother used to cross the ditch twice a week and I guess the company she worked for had an agreement with Air New Zealand because she would get the e-ticket in her inbox which used to be ANZ, every single time and she had no say on the carrier choice.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:37 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 167):
I could be mistaken, but I believe the current Air Services Agreement permits a maximum of 7 weekly flights from each side.

quite correct. Until such time as more slots are negotiated between NZ-China Govts. NZ as a carrier will know full well that is not a can of worms they actually really want to open, as I believe CZ in particular have big intentions for AKL, but currently no means of operating extra flights.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:45 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 184):
I believe CZ in particular have big intentions for AKL, but currently no means of operating extra flights.

They've always got the A380 (or even 772, A333) up their sleeves if an increase in capacity is required for the meantime. I suppose an op-up could be the sign for them wanting to enter into negotiations for increases.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:05 pm

Quoting BlackLabel (Reply 179):
You might be quite surprised. Many frequent business travelers have a lot of discretion in which airline they fly. I certainly do - both directly (I can choose) and indirectly (I can influence our corporate procurement). NZ would not be wise to ignore this kind of feedback.

Not to mention sometimes the decision makers are often the ones who fly and collect miles as well. You are quite right.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:04 pm

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 186):
Not to mention sometimes the decision makers are often the ones who fly and collect miles as well. You are quite right.

I collect air miles but they are mostly a waste of time, the only real benefit to me is the lounge access, more important to me are hotel points, I've had about 60 free nights over the last 4 years.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:03 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 187):
I collect air miles but they are mostly a waste of time, the only real benefit to me is the lounge access, more important to me are hotel points, I've had about 60 free nights over the last 4 years.

Yep, exactly. When I come back from Europe I will be star Gold again, and I don't care if I never make use the points, just as long as I can access Star Lounges, gain priority check in and priority bag tags and gain access to the good seats aboard a plane.

If I can gain free nights accommodation for my troubles then that is better than any mileage ticket, upgrade certificate because it is more easily used.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:33 am

ZK-OKQ operated the Ohakea flight today. According to Dave Morgan while being interviewed the callsign was All Black 1
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:56 pm

Any seen the latest "grab a seat" add.... clue... it is specially timed for today  http://promos.airnz.co.nz/gas/straightup/

I love the 'fine print' :

•Height restriction: 150cm Minimum height, excluding wheelchair passengers.
•Girth restriction: STRAIGHTUPFARES™ 100cm max waist, STRAIGHTUPBAG™ 120cm max waist, STRAIGHTUPDELUXE™ 150cm max waist
•Standing passenger must posess at least one fully functional arm and one fully function leg or equivalent. Wheel clamps provided for wheelchair passengers.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:42 pm

Quoting cchan (Reply 182):
Looks like it has been confirmed that AR is dumping AKL
AR To Drop AKL, Start EZE-SYD Nonstop (by yeogeo Mar 29 2012 in Civil Aviation)

I mentioned a week or two back that a bunch of us had booked AR to Buenos Aires for the rugby test in September. With the subsequent AKL omission they planned to fly us to SYD, wait 8 hours there then fly to BA, via Santiago, and coming home we travelled SYD/AKL leg via Gold Coast! Also they said we could have a refund, which of course we are taking them up on.

I wish NZ would announce the dates and details for the charter flight soon before we confirm with LAN, much prefer to go direct on NZ.....
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:00 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 190):
Any seen the latest "grab a seat" add.... clue... it is specially timed for today http://promos.airnz.co.nz/gas/straightup/

I love the 'fine print' :

•Height restriction: 150cm Minimum height, excluding wheelchair passengers.
•Girth restriction: STRAIGHTUPFARES™ 100cm max waist, STRAIGHTUPBAG™ 120cm max waist, STRAIGHTUPDELUXE™ 150cm max waist
•Standing passenger must posess at least one fully functional arm and one fully function leg or equivalent. Wheel clamps provided for wheelchair passengers.

And in the same vein, Air New Zealand is just about to announce that the new CEO will be Michael O'Leary.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:19 am

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 192):
And in the same vein, Air New Zealand is just about to announce that the new CEO will be Michael O'Leary.

My goodness. The Ryanair guy and Irish. NZ is becoming a LCC officially I guess? Can NZ not copy QF for once?

Wait. I just got what you meant. A bit slow of me this morning.

[Edited 2012-03-31 17:26:17]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:24 am

Some discussion in other threads about Cathay considering switching to Star Alliance. Would this mean a lot to AirNZ if Cathay becomes a fellow member of Star? Cathay would move from giving points in Qantas FF to AirNZ. Would AirNZ codeshare on Cathay services to HKG and beyond?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:26 am

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 194):
Some discussion in other threads about Cathay considering switching to Star Alliance. Would this mean a lot to AirNZ if Cathay becomes a fellow member of Star? Cathay would move from giving points in Qantas FF to AirNZ. Would AirNZ codeshare on Cathay services to HKG and beyond?

If this was the case, straight away NZ39 HKG-LHR would cease and the HKG market consolidated. It would improve the loads if NZ went to Sth Am, using the Asia-AKL-South America feed that CX-LA currently has. It would also provide genuine Star feed to Philippines too...MNL & CEB

Haven't seen any genuine evidence of this though...
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:31 am

AKL Airport seems to be loosing routes quite quickly theses day's so far we Lost AR, NZ to PEK , BI, and yet were only going to Pick up UA later this year hopefully - Could we see a return of BR from TPE as they will join Star next year?!

What Plans have the airport got to fill the gaps??
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:44 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 196):
What Plans have the airport got to fill the gaps??

Well CI and CZ have only recently commenced operations here. EK is going 2x daily A380 in a few months. Unfortunately there aren't tonnes of options for AKL. DL could operate here in place of the dropped QF leg. And I don't think anything's worth saying until LAN/TAM sort out which alliance they're joining etc. That's about it from the Americas - European airlines quit a long time ago and so you're not left with too many main carriers from Asia which don't already serve AKL. MH and TG obviously don't see the demand to bump their flights back to daily or even with bigger aircraft. I suppose someone's holding out for the 787/A350 boom which we'd hopefully see an increase of those thin routes opening up but then fuel prices are likely to come into play too.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:06 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 197):
Well CI and CZ have only recently commenced operations here. EK is going 2x daily A380 in a few months.

Those are soe good wins.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 197):
Unfortunately there aren't tonnes of options for AKL

Very true. Unfortunately NZ's geographical position, which is the same in many ways to Australia, is actually a disadvantage when it comes to the numer of opportunities that exist.

The only difference is that Australia has a igger market to draw from which opens up a few more options.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 197):
DL could operate here in place of the dropped QF leg. And I don't think anything's worth saying until LAN/TAM sort out which alliance they're joining etc

Can't see DL headed to AKL.
In regards to LAN/TAM it is more likely they will go with OW than Star at this stage. I would be planning for them to leave Star more than the other way around based on most reports so far.

I could see LAN drop AKL though at some point in favour of a N/S MEL service possibly to compliment the new N/S QF SCL service.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 197):
I suppose someone's holding out for the 787/A350 boom which we'd hopefully see an increase of those thin routes opening up but then fuel prices are likely to come into play too.

Frankly I think the B787/A350 factor in new routes may well be overated in the longer term. It may start out with changes and additions, but in the end it will come down to what is the most efficient use of resources and no one knows how that will pan out.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112

Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:43 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 198):
I could see LAN drop AKL though at some point in favour of a N/S MEL service possibly to compliment the new N/S QF SCL service.

I'm not so sure about that. Their long term plan is to replace the A340s with 787s. The NZ CAA will allow ( subject to meeting EDTO criteria ) the use of twins from South America to New Zealand, but CASA would not allow them to be used for nonstop flights from South America to Australia. I guess they could hang on to the A340's for a while ( and there have been rumours that LATAM are considering either the 747-8I or the A380) otherwise they are going to encounter regulatory difficulties as CASA shows no sign of seriously considering EDTO for twins.

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