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Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:39 am

More good news for SEN, after it's official opening yesterday. Up to 3 daily and will allow to connect to 4 destinations in the USA

"Irish carrier Aer Lingus will start summer services from Southend through its regional operator Aer Arann involving three daily flights to Dublin, with connections onwards to the USA through its mainline long haul service.
Passengers can take advantage of pre-clearance US Customs and Immigration facilities at Dublin which allows them to arrive at their destinations, including New York, Boston, Chicago and Orlando, as domestic passengers, saving valuable time."

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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:59 am

Good oportunity for Aer Lingus to put more passengers on it USA routes via Dublin with this new route from Southend.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:04 am

Cool to hear, although SEN-DUB is a logical route.

[Edited 2012-03-06 03:09:11]
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:05 am

Will these be operated by Atr-72s or -42s?
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:06 am

Quoting ju068 (Reply 3):
Will these be operated by Atr-72s or -42s?

AT4s per www.aerlingus.com. Block time on SEN-DUB is 1h 45m and 1h 35m on DUB-SEN. Not bad, then, with one-way fares, including taxes, from EUR/GBP24.99.

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Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:20 am

Really good news. I lived in the Southend area (Westcliff) from being born to about 18 and it was so sad to see the airport empty and rusty old 707s parked up etc. Now, within a year the airport has transformed itself.
Good for Southend. People argue that it is not a "London" airport, but with a very good rail system into London, and under one hour, it will be convenient.

My mother worked from Southend throughout the 80s as a flight attendant for BAF and British World.
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:45 am

The pre-clearance possibility is a real head-turner. Pre-clearance not only saves valuable time, it also makes the whole journey experience more pleasant

SEN has superb reverse commuting options for E.London residents as well as densely populated conurbations in the Essex flat lands and if marketed well, the US connections could work very well for Aer Lingus

Nice to see an airline thinking hard...DUB the new Westbound DXB! OK, not just yet.
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:27 pm

They could connect to more TATL destinations too - just not on the EI network, such as PHL, ATL, IAD, EWR, YYZ, YUL etc.

It will be interesting to see how many pax do indeed connect at DUB heading west.
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:55 pm

Congrats to SEN. I hope EI comes to OXF.
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:14 pm

This is great news for SEN, I hope the flights are a success.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 8):
Congrats to SEN. I hope EI comes to OXF

Now, that would also be a right result.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:58 pm

Great news for SEN and an easy route choice for EI.

I'd like to see EI back at NCL too. I'm sure it would do well with connections with the right size aircraft marketed right. It would be a suitable compromise for a direct NYC route which isn't going to happen.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:02 pm

I second the comments here. It should provide a great alternative to Ryanair's monopoly up the road on the Dublin route from Stansted.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:03 pm

Quoting TheReckoner (Reply 10):

NCL is ripe for the picking. FR no longer provide a good enough schedule for business pax - one daily flight is just insufficient between the two cities.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:18 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 12):
one daily flight

2x daily.
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:33 pm

Here's the schedule for the route:

SEN - DUB 0700-0845 DUB - SEN 0915 - 10.50
SEN - DUB 1255-1440 DUB - SEN 15.10 - 16.45
SEN - DUB 1710-18.55 DUB - SEN 19.20 - 20.55

This schedule operates 7 days a week. It appears that the aircraft operating the route will be based at SEN creating the first Aer Arann base outside of Ireland. Perfect timings for business passengers, and also allowing plenty of time for US connections.

[Edited 2012-03-06 11:34:23]

[Edited 2012-03-06 12:13:33]
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:28 pm

Quoting countvis (Reply 14):

Aer Arann have a crew base on IOM.

The timings are not perfect - there's a long wait for BOS, MCO and ORD. (3 hours)

Inbound, its a bit better. The times suit the O&D market from SEN much better.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:35 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 15):

Thanks for your correction, I had forgotten about the Isle of Man base. SEN is putting a big emphasis on the US connections, and really , I don't think 3 hours is an excessive connection time, especially with the punctuality issues which Aer Arann sometimes has.

[Edited 2012-03-06 13:36:11]
 
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Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:38 pm

Quoting countvis (Reply 16):

Haha! Yeah, I had forgotten about Aer Arann's time keeping! 3 hours is probably about right then!  
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:42 am

I think LCY would work, I know cityjet already dominate, But if they market for transatlatic business travellers and can offer quick connections in DUB and pre-clearance........
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:49 am

Quoting countvis (Reply 16):
3 hours is an excessive connection time, especially with the punctuality issues which Aer Arann sometimes has.

Even with 3 hours, the time saved by not having to crawl around the M25 at 8am and clearing CBP in DUB might well mean that it is time neutral - and even if it is slightly longer it would be worth it in the stress avoided!
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:22 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 19):
Even with 3 hours, the time saved by not having to crawl around the M25 at 8am and clearing CBP in DUB might well mean that it is time neutral - and even if it is slightly longer it would be worth it in the stress avoided!

But aren't fares ex LON to the USA usually cheaper than from Ireland?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:04 am

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 20):
aren't fares ex LON to the USA usually cheaper than from Ireland?

I just did a dummy booking to have a look for SEN-DUB-JFK (EI) and LHR-JFK (BA) leaving on 10 May coming back on 15 May (randomly selected dates).

Interesting EI doesn't allow through bookings to the USA. You have to book a SEN-DUB and DUB-JFK ticket.

SEN-DUB-SEN: GBP73.98 (on Plus fare to include checked luggage)
DUB-JFK-DUB: EUR497.66 = GBP415.63
TOTAL: GBP489.61

LHR-JFK-LHR: GBP453.99

So a fair difference of GBP35.62, not bad really. If I lived in Southend I would be very tempted!
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Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:09 am

Aer lingus seems to be spreading it wings - very nice. Fares to the US won't be cheaper when the APD goes up again next month!
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Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:26 am

3 hours is nothing.. and it is safer than having a 1 hour transit to allow for any delays etc, plus time to take into consideration for getting off the plane , toilet stops, transit counter then pre boarding. You'll find that the 3 hour transit is just fine
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Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:24 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 21):
Interesting EI doesn't allow through bookings to the USA. You have to book a SEN-DUB and DUB-JFK ticket.

This will probably change, all other Aer Lingus Regional routes that can offer transatlantic connections do so with one ticket but it took a day or two for them to be loaded after the original announcement. Also the long-haul checked baggage allowance will apply for Aer Lingus journeys between North America and the UK or Continental Europe so there's no need to select the Plus fare when booking on one ticket.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:05 pm

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 9):

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 8):
Congrats to SEN. I hope EI comes to OXF

Now, that would also be a right result.

Indeed. Going by the SEN fares, an OXF-DUB flight would only be marginally more expensive than the Oxford bus to LHR/LGW!

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Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:16 pm

OXF itself desires OXF-DUB and estimates 60,000 trips/year within a 30-min catchment: http://www.therouteshop.com/london-oxford-airport/
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Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:50 pm

Yes. EI should think of DUB-OXF-AMS-OXF-DUB.
The catchment area could come from/go to the west via DUB and east via AMS.
I think 2 such trips a day would cover arrival and departure banks at both places (DUB/AMS) ?

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Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:39 pm

Sorry for my ignorance- I lived in Oxford for 3 years but never was too familiar with the airport there- are we talking about the one near Kidlington? What sort of passenger amenities does this offer- terminal, immigration facilities? And the runway? I used to know somebody called Martin (can't remember his last name) who set up a small airline from there but it failed. I think it was relaunched soon after but this failed as well. Oxford is really well positioned near Birmingham and London. I wonder if this makes it more difficult for anything to work there.
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Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:32 pm

Quoting raffik (Reply 28):

Yes, it's Kidlington. Cityjet operated a christmas shopping charter to Dublin using the Rj85 with pax connecting onto an Aer Lingus service to New York. So the runway and terminal were adequate for a 95 seat jet.

Sadly, the take up of that one off service was woeful.
 
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Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:44 pm

Great to see Aer Lingus Regional enter the London market. Also a great boost for SEN with 3 extra daily flights in each direction.

Could we see EI Regional open more routes from SEN? Such as SNN and ORK? Something to think about.
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:49 pm

Quoting raffik (Reply 28):
are we talking about the one near Kidlington?

Yep. In terms of scheduled services, NM will start a daily IOM-OXF-JER serving using the D28/J31 on the 8th May.

For more details of the airport (routes required, catchment areas, airport facts, etc), visit: http://www.therouteshop.com/london-oxford-airport/

Anyway, we digress.
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Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:47 pm

The one obstacle that remains to making transatlantic connection at DUB is that RE currently operate all EIR flights at DUB from T1 whereas EIs mainline services all operate out of T2. One can only imagine though that with the recent announcement that RE are going to cease operating flights under their own name they at least considering a move to T2.

Quoting Cabincrewifly (Reply 30):
Could we see EI Regional open more routes from SEN? Such as SNN and ORK? Something to think about.

It is possible that ORK-SEN could be on the horizon but given that RE currently operate WAT-SEN then it would seem unlikely that they would choose to operate two routes from SEN to the South of Ireland. I cannot see SEN-SNN though given the recent failed attempt to operate SNN-LGW alongside SNN-LHR. The only possible benefit that SNN-SEN has to offer is that SEN passengers would have the option of connecting to BOS or JFK, making use of the US preclearance facility in the process. I personally cannot see it happening though. There would need to be a strong O&D demand on SNN-SEN which is just not there at the moment.
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Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 32):
The one obstacle that remains to making transatlantic connection at DUB is that RE currently operate all EIR flights at DUB from T1 whereas EIs mainline services all operate out of T2. One can only imagine though that with the recent announcement that RE are going to cease operating flights under their own name they at least considering a move to T2.

Check-in could be done in T2, but there is not enough room for existing EI operations in T2, never mind RE's ATRs
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:06 pm

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 32):
The one obstacle that remains to making transatlantic connection at DUB is that RE currently operate all EIR flights at DUB from T1 whereas EIs mainline services all operate out of T2. One can only imagine though that with the recent announcement that RE are going to cease operating flights under their own name they at least considering a move to T2.

I don' think it is an "obstacle" as such. DUB basically has two check-in Halls, "Terminal 1" and "Terminal 2". There are 4 boarding piers, Pier A, B, D, E (of course there used to be a Pier C, but that was demolished to make way for Pier E and "Terminal 2". "Terminal 1" and "Terminal 2" are connected landslide, additionally, the 4 Piers are connected airside. It is basically one terminal complex, you can move freely between them - Look at OA260's TRs for more! I agree it is slightly confusing that the EI check-in is split, but that is of no concern to connecting passengers. Split terminal operations are exceptionally common, BA and UA at LHR, UA at ORD, IAD, EWR, QF at SYD and so on. It's no big deal really. In the case of DUB it as good as makes no difference.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:47 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 34):
I don' think it is an "obstacle" as such. DUB basically has two check-in Halls, "Terminal 1" and "Terminal 2". There are 4 boarding piers, Pier A, B, D, E (of course there used to be a Pier C, but that was demolished to make way for Pier E and "Terminal 2". "Terminal 1" and "Terminal 2" are connected landslide, additionally, the 4 Piers are connected airside. It is basically one terminal complex, you can move freely between them - Look at OA260's TRs for more! I agree it is slightly confusing that the EI check-in is split, but that is of no concern to connecting passengers. Split terminal operations are exceptionally common, BA and UA at LHR, UA at ORD, IAD, EWR, QF at SYD and so on. It's no big deal really. In the case of DUB it as good as makes no difference.

Precisely. In the long run - if EI significantly expands at any point in the future, then a choice will need to be made. The other long haul airlines based in T2 will have to move back to T1 (Unlikely), or EI will have to split its operations and perhaps switch all UK services to using T1 (Then using either Pier B or E to board).

This is the beauty of the set up in DUB now - the two terminals are very much "interchangeable" and it gives a huge amount of flexibility.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:36 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 35):
Precisely. In the long run - if EI significantly expands at any point in the future, then a choice will need to be made.

I think that would have to be a pretty substantial expansion, in the region of 10+ additional aircraft, I would have thought. even then I think the landslide facilities at T2 are more than capable of dealing with such an expansion. Also it would depend on how they schedule the flights. If night-stops were to be made more common (which I think they may have to be, in order to grow the transfer traffic) a number of gates may be freed-up in the morning rush, etc.

All of that said, I think the SEN end of the route is much more interesting. I may have to hop on this flight in the near future, it would be a new airport for the log.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:37 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 36):
I think that would have to be a pretty substantial expansion, in the region of 10+ additional aircraft,

Indeed, but again as you say, it all depends on how they are scheduled, and it would seem indeed that any future growth may be "connections oriented" and thus involve aircraft operating into DUB against the current flow of arrivals and departures.

On another note, and touching back to something I mentioned earlier, the range of long haul connections via DUB from SEN is actually very impressive... a quick search in amadeus reveals easy connections to JFK, EWR, BOS, ORD, PHL, CLT, IAD, ATL, MCO, YYZ, DXB and AUH within 3 hours.

It will be very interesting to see some numbers once the route has been in operation for a while.
 
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Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:50 pm

Quoting raffik (Reply 5):
Good for Southend. People argue that it is not a "London" airport, but with a very good rail system into London, and under one hour, it will be convenient.

If Stansted is a London airport, so is Southend. I think this is a really nice move. The train made a huge difference.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 21):
So a fair difference of GBP35.62, not bad really. If I lived in Southend I would be very tempted!

Not bad? That's a huge savings over getting to LHR/LGW/STN/LTN.

Quoting raffik (Reply 23):

3 hours is nothing.. and it is safer than having a 1 hour transit to allow for any delays etc, plus time to take into consideration for getting off the plane , toilet stops, transit counter then pre boarding. You'll find that the 3 hour transit is just fine

Don't forget also clearing customs and immigration.
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RE: Aer Lingus To Start Dublin To London Southend

Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:03 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 38):
Quoting raffik (Reply 23):

3 hours is nothing.. and it is safer than having a 1 hour transit to allow for any delays etc, plus time to take into consideration for getting off the plane , toilet stops, transit counter then pre boarding. You'll find that the 3 hour transit is just fine

Don't forget also clearing customs and immigration.

Well with that you would almost need the 3 hours just to make it safe. Just remember that there is nothing really to offer once you have cleared US Immigration and the second level security there. A coffee shop and newsagents so if you want to shop make sure its done before heading to the pier!
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