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How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:07 pm

I was curious to find out how many gates an airline controls at one of their 'fortress' hubs? Hubs like...

DL/ATL
UA/IAH
AA/DFW
DL/DTW
UA/EWR
US/CLT
AS/SEA
UA/ORD

or any other you think I missed. Thanks.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:09 pm

You missed:

US/PHL
WN/MDW
UA/SFO
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:15 pm

And also let's not forget AA/MIA
 
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:59 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):

I was curious to find out how many gates an airline controls at one of their 'fortress' hubs? Hubs like...

DL/ATL
UA/IAH
AA/DFW
DL/DTW
UA/EWR
US/CLT
AS/SEA
UA/ORD

or any other you think I missed. Thanks.

UA at EWR has 73 gates total all of C and some of A. Terminal B is used for international overflow. United Express can depart from either Terminal A or C (C if the inbound aircraft arrives from a destination where customs is required)
UA at IAH has 52 gates on Terminals C&E. United Express has all of B some gates on B have already been closed down for the remodel. Flights operated by Colgan use Terminal A at IAH.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:02 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
AS/SEA

I don't know that I would consider SEA a "fortress hub" for AS. I can't answer your original question, but I do know that AS and QX combined carry less than 50% of all passengers out of SEA (See article below). That's a significant number still for just one airline, but compared to some of the other "fortress hubs" it doesn't compare all that well I believe.

http://www.anna.aero/2012/03/05/seattle-welcomes-emirates/

Perhaps add DL/MSP to that list. MSP is commonly considered a "fortress hub," although that designation is waning over the last couple of years as WN moved in and now NK is moving in.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:09 pm

DL in ATL has a lot. They have 72 gates on A and B. 8 T gates. I believe they control another 18 on C and 14 on D or something like that. So they control over 100 gates. Add to that the fact that all their international flights are out of E. They don't control the E gates though as they are all common use...at least until F is finished.

US in PHL

The A gates are common use, but with the international service, US operates from just about all of them save for the AA gates, and I heard a rumor that AA is moving somewhere.

They have 16 gates in B and about 16 gates in C for 32. Over at F they control what I believe is 36 gates now. (F8 I believe was permanently closed due to the renovation) All told it is close to 70 dedicated gates, plus the common use in A.

AA DFW

AA controls A, B and C, which I believe yields a total of over 100 gates. I believe the D gates are common use, but AA operates enough flights out of there like international terminals elsewhere

US in CLT

US has I believe 18 gates in both B and C for 36. They also control about 9 or 10 gates in D for international flights. The E gates are technically owned by the airport but for all intents and purposes they are US gates, and there are over 40 of them.

UA and AA at ORD

UA has 22 gates in the B concourse and 36 gates in the C concourse. In T 2 they control what on paper looks like 14 gates, but given most of them have multiple parking spots, and the number is closer to 25. International arrivals are at T5, and are not used by UA for any other purpose.

AA controls I believe close to 22 gates in the G concourse for Eagle, then they have close to 40 gates in H and K, then add about 8 gates in L.

One you did forget is DL at MSP.

DL controls the entire Lindbergh Terminal aside from the E concourse. There are 14 gates at A, 16 gates at B, I believe 27 gates on C, 6 on D, 16 gates on F, and 22 gates on G. That is a total of 93 gates for DL in MSP. One thing to note though is that US does use C10 for an RON and usually there is one AM departure where US will use C10, but otherwise it is used as a DL gate.
 
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:15 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 5):
They also control about 9 or 10 gates in D for international flights.

It's officially lower than that (I think maybe just 3 or 4), but they certainly use all of D not used by B6.

WN at MDW is around 32 gates (all of B, which is 24 and 8 or so on A).
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:17 pm

At EWR UA has:

Terminal C

58 mainline gates, of which 19 are capable of handling international arrivals.

Terminal A

3 mainline gates
14 regional jet gates

Terminal B

UA shares 16 CUTE gates with other international carriers for their overflow International arrivals.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:08 pm

I am surprised no one mentioned AA and their big MIA hub/operation(?)

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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:15 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
I am surprised no one mentioned AA and their big MIA hub/operation(?)

Technically, despite the Fortress Hub, AA controls zero gates in MIA, since all the gates are technically common use. That being said, they do have all of D and some of E. I don't know how many gates are in those concourses off the top of my head though.
 
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
WN at MDW is around 32 gates (all of B, which is 24 and 8 or so on A).

Including FL it's 34 now. They now have all but 6 gates on A with 1-3 still city owned and used by F9/PD/Y4 while DL uses 5, 7, and 10.
 
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 9):
Technically, despite the Fortress Hub, AA controls zero gates in MIA, since all the gates are technically common use. That being said, they do have all of D and some of E. I don't know how many gates are in those concourses off the top of my head though.

When given an airside tour at MIA a few years ago, the airport operator did say that they have done a lot for AA specifically so I got the impression that AA does control what they are using at the airport. I don't see AA being moved from the concourses they are using now(?)

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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:37 pm

DL has all of the Mac terminal gates at DTW 118 in all
 
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:46 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):

At EWR UA has:

Terminal C

58 mainline gates, of which 19 are capable of handling international arrivals.

Are the gates along middle concourse of Terminal C mainline-ready? I mostly see ERJs parked there....
 
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:50 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
I am surprised no one mentioned AA and their big MIA hub/operation(?)

Just for the record, leftyboarder did in the second reply.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:15 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 13):
Are the gates along middle concourse of Terminal C mainline-ready? I mostly see ERJs parked there....

All the ERJs are in Terminal A, been there for a few years. Prior to that they were in Terminal C-2.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:36 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 13):
Are the gates along middle concourse of Terminal C mainline-ready? I mostly see ERJs parked there....

Yes I've been on a 737 that departed from C2.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:25 pm

DL at SLC: (I dont care if WN has a presence here, it's still a fortress in every aspect of the word):

32 Gates on 3 concourses (not counting SkyWest at Concourse E)
 
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:26 pm

The C2 Terminal at EWR can handle anything from the Q400s all the way up to the 777.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:51 pm

Along with sheer number of gates used at a hub, you have to look at the percentage of the total gates at the airport vs those available for other airlines to use. The same would apply to number of flights, number of seats, pax boarded, revenue, or any other metric you want to use.

IMHO it would take at least 60% or more to be a fortress hub.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:55 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
DL/ATL

For all those about to call foul, look it up first, but up until about 2004; DL @ CVG had more gates than DL @ ATL.

That's specifically including the near 100 gates of concourse C, now shuttered; all of CVG A (also shuttered) and B as well.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:21 am

What about WN and BWI?
 
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:34 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):

DL/ATL
UA/IAH
AA/DFW
DL/DTW
UA/EWR
US/CLT
AS/SEA
UA/ORD

or any other you think I missed. Thanks

Neither ATL nor ORD can be considered Fortresses.

Quoting apodino (Reply 5):

AA DFW

AA controls A, B and C, which I believe yields a total of over 100 gates. I believe the D gates are common use, but AA operates enough flights out of there like international terminals elsewhere

Only the very south end of the terminal has any common use gates. All others are leased by AMR.

Quoting exFWAOONW (Reply 19):

IMHO it would take at least 60% or more to be a fortress hub.

Yup. From this, we see that a facility needs to be 70% occupied by a single carrier or it's affiliates or alliance partners to be a Fortress Hub, which is why I say that neither ATL nor ORD technically qualify, despite their size.

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 20):

For all those about to call foul, look it up first, but up until about 2004; DL @ CVG had more gates than DL @ ATL.

Amazing. Wouldn't have guessed that, but I guess we learn something new everyday.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:47 am

Quoting darksnowynight (Reply 22):
Yup. From this, we see that a facility needs to be 70% occupied by a single carrier or it's affiliates or alliance partners to be a Fortress Hub,

ATL is about 75% occupied by DL and it's alliance partners.
 
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:33 am

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 12):
DL has all of the Mac terminal gates at DTW 118 in all

Doesn't the McNamara have 121 gates?
 
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:42 am

I don't think real estate has anything to do with it.

The amount of departures and arrivals controlled is all that matters.

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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:57 am

When Pittsburgh was a US Air hub, US operated out of all of Concourse A (25), All of Concourse B (25), All of Concourse E (22 regional gates: attached to land side terminal, since been demo-ed completely) and Shared Concourse C which housed the International/wide body Gates (4) and customs. Totaling 76 gates, which PIT at the time had 97 gates.

Since then, only 75 gates physically remain with only 49 in use and the others permanently sealed off.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:25 am

Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 4):
Perhaps add DL/MSP to that list. MSP is commonly considered a "fortress hub," although that designation is waning over the last couple of years as WN moved in and now NK is moving in.
NK will be operating a whopping 3 flights with WN/FL and Sun Country relegated to the new T2. T1 is pretty much DL, having control of all of A, B, C, D, F, and G. All other legacies operating out of E. And of course AS using a DL gate on F. Usually F4.

Quoting apodino (Reply 5):
DL in ATL has a lot. They have 72 gates on A and B. 8 T gates. I believe they control another 18 on C and 14 on D or something like that. So they control over 100 gates. Add to that the fact that all their international flights are out of E. They don't control the E gates though as they are all common use...at least until F is finished.

I'd have to look at a gate plot tomorrow but they lost some gates over the past year. Some were removed or shifted so that all 757 gates could park wingleted 757s and they added some widebody gates as well; on A and B. T was re-lined over the summer. But as an example T actually has 7 gates. There is no T6. The same is true on A and B. There are a few gate numbers that don't exist.

And there are actually 32 gates on C and either 27 or 29 gates on D. I'll have the exact number for A, B and D tomorrow.

Quoting darksnowynight (Reply 22):
Neither ATL nor ORD can be considered Fortresses.
Quoting darksnowynight (Reply 22):
Yup. From this, we see that a facility needs to be 70% occupied by a single carrier or it's affiliates or alliance partners to be a Fortress Hub, which is why I say that neither ATL nor ORD technically qualify, despite their size.

Well then i'd suggest you educate yourself on two things. First, the amount of gates DL leases in ATL and 2, their % of flights compared to the total traffic ATL sees. At the moment, FL is barely at 200 departures on peak days if i'm not mistaken and the next closest carrier will be AA followed by CO then everyone else.

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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:31 am

Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 4):
I don't know that I would consider SEA a "fortress hub" for AS. I can't answer your original question, but I do know that AS and QX combined carry less than 50% of all passengers out of SEA (See article below). That's a significant number still for just one airline, but compared to some of the other "fortress hubs" it doesn't compare all that well I believe.

As long as the airport is not slot controlled I think that passengers served might be the most important number. On that premise, here are some SEA metrics:

In January 2012 AS/QX served 53.38% of all SEA commercial traffic. (February totals are not yet available.)

I think SEA is a bit tricky to assess because of AS's unusual relationship with other airlines. Though they don't belong to an alliance, they do seem to work closely with a handful of airlines from several alliances. Though an imperfect comparison, AS/QX and their Milage Plan partners accounted for 71.12% of January traffic. (Also note Emirates has become a MP partner, their pax yields are not included in these figures.) A bit of apples and oranges syndrome, but it may be fair to call SEA an AS fortress.
 
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:45 am

At DEN, the good news for UA is that along with *A partner US, they control all of the gates in Terminal B.

At DEN, the bad news for UA is that there is a Terminal A (where F9 is along with a lot of other airlines) and a Terminal C (where WN is, along with DL) and they don't control anything in Terminal A or Terminal C.........

 



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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting penguins (Reply 21):
What about WN and BWI?

WN/FL occupies two of BWI's five concourses -- but only 26 of BWI's 84 gates. So BWI stacks up this way.

Concourses A and B are inter-connected with 26 gates. Rumors abound that a built-over post-security walkway will be re-opened to re-connect WN to the C concourse gate it occupied long ago while A/B was being rebuilt.

Concourse C now houses only AA and has 14 gates (DL recently moved over to D concourse to occupy FL's old gates)

Concourse D has 38 gates and houses B6 , DL , 9K , UA, and US.

Concourse E has AC , BA , DE , V2 , and AMC (Air Mobility Command)

So WN/FL occupies only 33% of BWI's total gates.
 
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:27 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 25):
I don't think real estate has anything to do with it.

The amount of departures and arrivals controlled is all that matters.
Quoting context (Reply 28):
As long as the airport is not slot controlled I think that passengers served might be the most important number.

I agree with context. The passengers carried is the most important number. It really doesn't matter how many gates you have or how many flights you have. If you have the sway through pricing or what have you to carry more passengers, you have taken the pricing control of that hub, which is what having a fortress hub is all about.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 27):
NK will be operating a whopping 3 flights with WN/FL and Sun Country relegated to the new T2. T1 is pretty much DL, having control of all of A, B, C, D, F, and G.

That may be true, but despite it being minimal, the new LCC presence at MSP will cause (is causing) pricing competition. Sure, DL still has the upper hand by far, and I still would consider MSP a fortress hub, but that influence is slowly waning as LCC move in. In fact, if you don't mind connecting in DEN, WN or F9 are usually the cheapest options out of MSP if you're heading west. Because of that, out of my seven round-trips originating at MSP last year, I flew DL only on one of them, and that was because I wanted to avoid DEN in Dec. All of my other flights were either WN, F9, or SY out of MSP.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:58 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
UA/EWR

As said, in terminal C alone UA has 58 gates plus another 17 or so in A.

That gives an owned gate total of 75 gates. That's actually on the smaller side for a so call fortress hub. EWR is landlocked, and that has (and likely will always be) part of the problem.

Quoting apodino (Reply 5):
DL in ATL has a lot.

Over 100.

Quoting apodino (Reply 5):
One you did forget is DL at MSP.

Wow I had no idea DL had 93 gates at MSP. How many do they have at DTW?

Also how many gates does UA have in DEN these days?

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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 26):
Since then, only 75 gates physically remain with only 49 in use and the others permanently sealed off.

Wow, mathematically speaking, PIT may hold the record for fewest pax processed per gate, duking it out with CVG!    And I was quickly browsing over this thread so I may have missed it, but I'm sure DL has a disproportionally huuuuuge number of gates at DTW. Anyone got the tally?
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:30 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 32):
How many do they have at DTW?
Quoting cyeg66 (Reply 33):
And I was quickly browsing over this thread so I may have missed it, but I'm sure DL has a disproportionally huuuuuge number of gates at DTW. Anyone got the tally?


Reply 12 says 118, Reply 24 says maybe 121. Either way, it's been said, and it's a lot.

Also, the wiki article says 64 in Concourse A and 58 in B & C, which would be 122. I'm not sure who's correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Metropolitan_Wayne_County_Airport

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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:14 pm

Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 34):

Reply 12 says 118, Reply 24 says maybe 121. Either way, it's been said, and it's a lot.

Also, the wiki article says 64 in Concourse A and 58 in B & C, which would be 122. I'm not sure who's correct.

Either way I think DTW probably is the biggest fortress hub in terms of an airline being an 800 lb gorilla.

If you go to ATL you see a lot of Air Tran, Chicago a mix of UA and AA, EWR you get a lot of other variety. I'm not sure about DFW now.

My next question is - what airport does the fortress hub airline control the biggest majority of flights in comparison with other airlines there. My guess would be DTW, MSP or DFW.
 
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:34 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 35):

My next question is - what airport does the fortress hub airline control the biggest majority of flights in comparison with other airlines there. My guess would be DTW, MSP or DFW.

CLT has to be up there as well. US controls 90 percent of all passenger traffic in the airport

IAH is another one you forgot to mention, which is a huge UA fortress. Most of the LCCs are at HOU, and the other legacies just don't have the service there. In fact, DL was shifting flights to HOU I believe.

IAD is probably one for UA. Most of the LCC's have eased service, and other than beyond perimeter flights, most of the service to the area is to DCA on most legacies.

DFW I don't think is as much as you would think. One because its still largely served by other airlines and still with a bit of mainline service, but two is because NK is building up a little operation there as well. Don't get me wrong, AA is still the huge Gorilla there.

MSP would appear to be DL, but WN has quietly added flying, Sun Country is still based there, and all the other legacies offer Mainline Service, and MSP still seems to run as a banked hub.

DTW is basically to DL what IAH is to UA. NK had an operation there for a bit, but its a shadow of its old self.


I am going to do some research and come up with an accurate list, but I am guessing it goes something like this.

1. DAL (Southwest)
2. CLT (USAirways)
3. IAH (United)
4. MDW (Southwest)
5. DTW (Delta)
6. MSP (Delta)
7. DFW (American)
 
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 35):
My next question is - what airport does the fortress hub airline control the biggest majority of flights in comparison with other airlines there. My guess would be DTW, MSP or DFW.

United at Newark has about 75% that's enormous.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:10 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 32):
Wow I had no idea DL had 93 gates at MSP. How many do they have at DTW?



Not trying to get technical but like ATL, there are some gate numbers that don't exist. Namely on the G and C concourses.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:22 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 38):

Sooooo....does that mean not really 93 gates?
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:26 pm

Not sure how UA at IAD got missed. UA and express have around 85 gates. This does not include Star Alliance gates used by TK, US, SA, SK, LH, ET, OS, and NH (some of which might be shared with non *A carriers). Total IAD has 143 gates.

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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:44 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 39):
Sooooo....does that mean not really 93 gates?



My bad, yes. I was more replying to the original person that threw out the number. G has less than 22 gates although they are numbered G1 - G22 (a couple are skipped). Also like saying A in ATL has 33 gates but it's actually closer to 29 or 30 but I've yet to be able to look at a gate plot for ATL. B also has less than 36 gates and DL on t has 7 not 8 gates.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:38 pm

Quoting nwafan20 (Reply 24):
Doesn't the McNamara have 121 gates?

You're right. I miscounted. There are 121 gates at the Mac
 
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:45 pm

AA at DFW has about 70 mainline gates they use, and another 35 or so in use by Eagle, so they're up slightly over 100 total.

Terminal E, where AA has no presence, has 28 gates, so AA (exclusively) uses almost 80% of the gate space. This isn't counting the very low D gates where you'll often see Mexico-bound Eagle flights.

I'd count that as a fortress.

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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:38 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 11):
When given an airside tour at MIA a few years ago, the airport operator did say that they have done a lot for AA specifically so I got the impression that AA does control what they are using at the airport. I don't see AA being moved from the concourses they are using now(?)

The gates remain common use; if the airport wanted to, they could move all AA flights to Concourse G. In practice, they give AA priority on gates in Concourses D and E (meaning no other airlines are assigned to those gates, which is fine because there's plenty of gate space elsewhere), but the final say still rests with the aviation department.
 
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:57 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 37):
United at Newark has about 75% that's enormous.

According to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS), in November 2011 (the latest figures available) CO/UA held a 49.85% share, while ExpressJet held 10.96%. What it doesn't tell us is who the "Others" (24.32%) are. I'm assuming there are UAEX flights in there as well.
IAH is much higher: UA/CO 60.08%, ExpressJet 19.04%, and SkyWest 4.34%.

DL @ ATL, DTW, and MSP (including Connection carriers) is >75%. (AirTran is ~17%)
AA @ MIA and DFW are >75%.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:22 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 37):
United at Newark has about 75% that's enormous.

Others would include Colgan Air dba Continental Connection for example.

According to the PANYNJ's own statistics Continental and United full year 2011 had 70% of all passengers at EWR. From the way they list their statistics it seems at though they ignore regional carriers and base it on the the associated mainline carrier. So even at 70% we are still looking at a fortress hub.
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RE: How Many Gates At 'Fortress' Hubs?

Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:16 pm

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 45):
According to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS), in November 2011 (the latest figures available) CO/UA held a 49.85% share, while ExpressJet held 10.96%. What it doesn't tell us is who the "Others" (24.32%) are. I'm assuming there are UAEX flights in there as well.
IAH is much higher: UA/CO 60.08%, ExpressJet 19.04%, and SkyWest 4.34%.

DL @ ATL, DTW, and MSP (including Connection carriers) is >75%. (AirTran is ~17%)
AA @ MIA and DFW are >75%.

I was looking at some of these stats. What surprised me is that in both DFW and ATL, USAirways has the largest presence of non hubbed airlines. Considering they are the number 4 legacy carrier, I find this a bit surprising, especially DFW. How US ever passed DL in DFW is beyond me? And neither stat to my knowledge counts regional carriers, and they operate still for both US and DL


MIA is very misleading because it does not include international flights, of which there are a ton out of MIA. AA still has their fair share too though, dont get me wrong.

Based on the numbers in the report though, I can estimate a little better the rankings of big fortress hubs.

1. DAL/Southwest (It was not mentioned in the report) With not much presence other than WN, WN has to be over 90 percent there.
2. MDW/Southwest WN was already at 88 percent of the traffic at the airport, add Airtran to the mix and they are near 93 percent.
3. IAH/United The Other category you have to assume is all UA save for the DL traffic in that mix. UA has close to 90 percent of the traffic
4. CLT/USAirways PSA, Piedmont and Republic are all part of the other category, so eliminate the few flights on B6 and UA from that mix, and they are way up there as well.
5. The DOT stats don't make it clear exactly, but AA has 81 percent at DFW, and MSP and DTW numbers aren't as clear so they are 5, 6 and 7 in some order.
8. ATL/Delta Delta has just about 80 percent of the domestic traffic at the airport between them and connection, and interestingly enough one of the largest percentages of mainline traffic of any fortress hub.
9. MIA/American They do have about 75 percent of the domestic traffic at the airport.
10. BWI/Southwest Southwest may not control a majority of the BWI gates, but they still control 72 percent of the traffic there when FL is factored in.

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