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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:46 pm

MIA-MAO on AA kicks off today. AA will have a lot of competition. JJ is on the nonstop. CM is on most larger markets in North and Central America, like NYC, MCO and CUN. But there are some pretty good routings on AA to some other cities. MAO-NRT through MIA-DFW is going to be much more convenient than other routings via GRU/GIG.
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:44 pm

On 03OCT, GOL will once again suspend all operations into SCL. This is the second time that GOL has tried to operate flights in SCL and the second time that it has failed.

Gol suspenderá vuelos a Santiago de Chile a partir de octubre

http://www.mzweb.com.br/gol2009/web/arquivos/Cancelamento%20SCL.pdf

[Edited 2012-06-14 17:18:22]
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:46 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 201):
On 03OCT, GOL will once again suspend all operations into SCL. This is the second time that GOL has tried to operate flights in SCL and the second time that it has failed.

Gol's South American strategy is a disaster. They have the wrong product, the wrong brand and the wrong international hub.
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:08 am

Poor Gol... another set back even before valuable slots become available.

They make Latam life so easy...
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:50 am

Quoting AF086 (Reply 202):
Gol's South American strategy is a disaster. They have the wrong product, the wrong brand and the wrong international hub.

IMO, G3's issues with their SCL operations are that flying to GRU via EZE is inconvenient and G3 faces stiff competition on the SCL-EZE sector. G3 planned to operate POA-SCL year-round; but quickly realized that it was only sustainable as a seasonal service. G3 is viewed as a leisure carrier in Chile. G3 lacks premium customers and loyalty in Chile. Business pax fly on LA/JJ because both carriers have contracts with various corporations and offer much better products and flexible schedules between SCL and GRU. LA/JJ also have loyal customers in Chile and Brazil. LA/JJ feed domestic routes with-in Brazil and long-haul routes via GRU and to a lesser extent via GIG. I wouldn't be surprised if LA changes its GIG operations in the near-term and operates SCL-GIG 3x daily non-stop to maximize connectivity via GIG.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 203):
Poor Gol... another set back even before valuable slots become available.

Brazilian international carriers tend to say one thing; then do the opposite thing. For example, earlier this year TAM stated that it would not open any new international routes this year, then JJ applies for GIG-MCO...
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:11 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 204):
For example, earlier this year TAM stated that it would not open any new international routes this year, then JJ applies for GIG-MCO...

TAM has a curious logic. For them, not opening new international routes is not starting a new destination. Since they are only connecting two existing dots, there is nothing new.
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:32 am

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 205):
TAM has a curious logic. For them, not opening new international routes is not starting a new destination. Since they are only connecting two existing dots, there is nothing new.

Using this logic, TAM could launch GIG-SCL departing GIG in the morning to feed flights from Europe. JJ could also launch GIG-LIM and GIG-MVD. LA uses a different logic, it considers BOG-GRU a new route even though LA is linking two existing destinations in the LAN system.
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:15 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 204):
G3 is viewed as a leisure carrier in Chile. G3 lacks premium customers and loyalty in Chile.

As I said: wrong brand and wrong product. G3 has the Varig name available. Why not use it properly? With real C class and decent Y service with PTVs on their 738s?

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 204):
LA/JJ feed domestic routes with-in Brazil and long-haul routes via GRU and to a lesser extent via GIG.

G3 has a really strong domestic hub at GIG, and a much weaker competition than GRU but with a healthy market. That's why I said that they have the wrong hub.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 204):
. I wouldn't be surprised if LA changes its GIG operations in the near-term and operates SCL-GIG 3x daily non-stop to maximize connectivity via GIG.

LA could launch a flight that leaves SCL early in the morning arriving at GIG by lunch time making a quick rotation with the arrival at SCL late afternoon. Or even a flight arriving at GIG in the evening with a morning departure to SCL overnighting the plane at Rio.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 206):
TAM could launch GIG-SCL departing GIG in the morning to feed flights from Europe. JJ could also launch GIG-LIM and GIG-MVD.

They could but, for unexplicable reasons they don't.
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:34 pm

Quoting AF086 (Reply 207):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 204):
. I wouldn't be surprised if LA changes its GIG operations in the near-term and operates SCL-GIG 3x daily non-stop to maximize connectivity via GIG.

LA could launch a flight that leaves SCL early in the morning arriving at GIG by lunch time making a quick rotation with the arrival at SCL late afternoon. Or even a flight arriving at GIG in the evening with a morning departure to SCL overnighting the plane at Rio.

It looks like LAN will soon change its operations into GIG. LA750 will operate as SCL-GRU and LA751 will operate as GRU-SCL. LA also loaded more flights on the SCL-GRU route starting in December...
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:50 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 203):
They make Latam life so easy...

Indeed. Gol should have launched a direct GRU-SCL flight in order to compete effectively against LAN and TAM.

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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 208):
It looks like LAN will soon change its operations into GIG. LA750 will operate as SCL-GRU and LA751 will operate as GRU-SCL. LA also loaded more flights on the SCL-GRU route starting in December...

Will LP ever launch LIM-GIG ?


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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:04 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 208):
It looks like LAN will soon change its operations into GIG. LA750 will operate as SCL-GRU and LA751 will operate as GRU-SCL. LA also loaded more flights on the SCL-GRU route starting in December...

Finally!!! I hate that tag-on flight! Now, there's only UA left as foreign carrier flying a tag-on flight.
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:05 pm

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 209):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 208):
It looks like LAN will soon change its operations into GIG. LA750 will operate as SCL-GRU and LA751 will operate as GRU-SCL. LA also loaded more flights on the SCL-GRU route starting in December...

Will LP ever launch LIM-GIG ?

Either LAN and/or TAM will launch that route. We'll just have to wait and see. LAN and TAM are focused on GRU flights; which will create immediate synergies for LATAM as soon as they close the combination. GRU is the new "LAN Hub"...

Some routes being evaluated by LATAM for LIM:
LIM-ASU
LIM-CWB
LIM-CBB
LIM-CNF
LIM-GIG
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:09 pm

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 210):
Finally!!! I hate that tag-on flight! Now, there's only UA left as foreign carrier flying a tag-on flight.

IMO, LA should launch an early morning SCL-GIG service. I'm going to miss the "Express flight" to Rio though...
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:21 pm

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 210):
Finally!!! I hate that tag-on flight! Now, there's only UA left as foreign carrier flying a tag-on flight.

That flight hauled plenty of cargo to GIG. Guess LA will send it though LAN Cargo.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 209):
Will LP ever launch LIM-GIG ?

Really doubt that.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 212):
IMO, LA should launch an early morning SCL-GIG service.

Hope you are right but I'm really skeptical when it comes to LAN at GIG. Apparently they see it as a secondary or tertiary market which is a mistake if you ask me.
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting AF086 (Reply 213):
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 210):
Finally!!! I hate that tag-on flight! Now, there's only UA left as foreign carrier flying a tag-on flight.

That flight hauled plenty of cargo to GIG. Guess LA will send it though LAN Cargo.

LAN Cargo recently transferred 2 B763Fs over to ABSA. The two new B777Fs will operate more flights between Europe and Brazil.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 213):

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 209):
Will LP ever launch LIM-GIG ?

Really doubt that.

I don't doubt that at all! LP has 6 A319s and 2 B763s on order. LAN will "go after" TA at LIM.
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:47 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 204):
G3 planned to operate POA-SCL year-round; but quickly realized that it was only sustainable as a seasonal service

The last G3 POA-SCL 7x weekly is due to happen on August 16th. The same date when they planned to suspend that seasonal service. The withdrawal is now final.




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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 199):
BOG-GRU+2 14JUN

This flight will be operated by LAN Colombia.
CM had demonstrated interest in the past to serve the BOG-GRU sector. Nothing happened !

Regards.
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:15 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 215):


Quoting SCL767 (Reply 199):
BOG-GRU+2 14JUN

This flight will be operated by LAN Colombia.
CM had demonstrated interest in the past to serve the BOG-GRU sector. Nothing happened !

See reply 186.
This new service will increase to 6x weekly on 10SEP and will complement TAM's daily service on the GRU-BOG route:

JJ8016 GRU 12:40 BOG 16:40 A320 Daily
JJ8017 BOG 19:10 GRU 03:15+1 A320 Daily

LAN volará a Sao Paulo

Also, P5 recently applied for 4 weekly frequencies on the BOG-GRU route with Aerocivil:
http://www.aerocivil.gov.co/Document...ORDEN%20DEL%20DIA%2013%20JUNIO.pdf
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:47 pm

Hello all,

What's the status on G3's flights to MIA. Is it still on schedule? Are there links to the latest developments of this flight going through CCS? LAN also has weekly flights to MIA from CCS, will they more frequencies as well seeing that G3 will be having more frequencies on the route? Or is LAN not interested in increasing the frequency of their CCS-MIA flights? It seems to be a very lucrative route.

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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:03 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 217):
LAN also has weekly flights to MIA from CCS

LAN operates two weekly non-stop flights between CCS and MIA.

Quoting A388 (Reply 217):
G3 will be having more frequencies on the route

Has G3 been awarded the rights to operate non-stop flights between CCS and MIA?

Quoting A388 (Reply 217):
Or is LAN not interested in increasing the frequency of their CCS-MIA flights?

LAN only increases frequency between CCS and MIA during the Christmas season.
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:16 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 218):
LAN operates two weekly non-stop flights between CCS and MIA.

I forgot about that second flight, thanks.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 218):
Has G3 been awarded the rights to operate non-stop flights between CCS and MIA?

Well, the route has been published and it is supposed to route via CCS so I assume they have those rights.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 218):
LAN only increases frequency between CCS and MIA during the Christmas season.

Okay, so no intention for LAN to increase those CCS-MIA frequencies if they are allowed to(?)

A388
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:27 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 219):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 218):
Has G3 been awarded the rights to operate non-stop flights between CCS and MIA?

Well, the route has been published and it is supposed to route via CCS so I assume they have those rights.

The route has not been loaded in GDS.

Quoting A388 (Reply 219):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 218):
LAN only increases frequency between CCS and MIA during the Christmas season.

Okay, so no intention for LAN to increase those CCS-MIA frequencies if they are allowed to(?)

LAN is not allowed to increase frequency on flights between CCS and MIA. LAN usually gets an exemption to add a few flights between CCS and MIA during the Christmas season when LAN increases frequency on the SCL-CCS-MIA route to 2x weekly for a few weeks. LAN operates the route as SCL-CCS-MIA weekly and SCL-GYE-CCS-MIA weekly.
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:18 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 220):
The route has not been loaded in GDS.

Okay, so there something fishy there. Does anyone else have an update on these G3 flights from Brazil to MIA via CCS?

A388
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:39 am

As AviancaTaca have officially joined the Star Alliance; TAM will be required to leave this alliance as stipulated by the TDLC in Chile and the CADE in Brasil.
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:49 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 222):
As AviancaTaca have officially joined the Star Alliance; TAM will be required to leave this alliance as stipulated by the TDLC in Chile and the CADE in Brasil.

I hope you have better luck with them!

I have to say that I feel they acted in very bad faith going ahead with their accession to Star in the first place. It seems very odd to commit to an alliance and then 3 months later announce you have agreed to be bought by a member of a rival alliance .

While it would be impossible to prove, I find it very hard to believe that discussions were not going on with LAN prior to JJ joining *A.

I think Star were very naive, but I guess they were so keen to try to fill the gap left by RG that they threw caution to the wind.

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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:40 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 223):
I have to say that I feel they acted in very bad faith going ahead with their accession to Star in the first place. It seems very odd to commit to an alliance and then 3 months later announce you have agreed to be bought by a member of a rival alliance .

Remember that LATAM has 24 months to choose an alliance after the transaction closes. Obviously LATAM cannot join the Star Alliance now; however since AV Brasil did not join the Star Alliance, TAM may remain in the alliance for a while and continue to cooperate with other Star carriers.


As separate airlines, LAN and TAM cannot compete with the foreign airlines that continue to increase flights into South America. Their networks are complementary and there is very little overlap on their routes. Together as LATAM, they will become a major global airline group and will be on equal footing with the other major airline groups. It will also enable them to open new regional and long-haul routes and possibly acquire other carriers in the future. IMO, LATAM will resemble IAG in many ways...
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:51 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 219):
Well, the route has been published and it is supposed to route via CCS so I assume they have those rights.
Quoting A388 (Reply 221):
Okay, so there something fishy there. Does anyone else have an update on these G3 flights from Brazil to MIA via CCS?

According to Aline, she's the CGA leader, a kind of ground ops leader, G3 is in doubt GRU-MAO-MIA or another GRU-CCS-MIA, in brazil the venezuelan "Guarda Nacional" is becoming very veeery INFAMOUS, they're are known for shoplifting bags, and as brazilian these days love flying to the US to shop cause it's cheaper, they fear they'll face lots of lawsuits, for the ones who don't know, the law in brazil overprotects passengers.

If it really happens it will be fun to see AA JJ and G3 attacking each other on the MAO-MIA route....

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 222):
As AviancaTaca have officially joined the Star Alliance; TAM will be required to leave this alliance as stipulated by the TDLC in Chile and the CADE in Brasil.

Yeah CM staff here in MAO started declining TAM's mileage card benefits.... according to them it's official now, only a matter of when....
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 225):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 222):
As AviancaTaca have officially joined the Star Alliance; TAM will be required to leave this alliance as stipulated by the TDLC in Chile and the CADE in Brasil.

Yeah CM staff here in MAO started declining TAM's mileage card benefits.... according to them it's official now, only a matter of when....

That's great. I'm sure that many TAM Fidelidade members at MAO rather earn and redeem miles with carriers such as AA and LA rather than with CM. TAM is increasing flights into MIA and JFK soon. TAM is also increasing capacity on the GRU-MIA and MAO-MIA routes as well; these flights will also carry the LA code. TAM recently won an award for the "Best Redemption Ability":
Best Redemption Ability-TAM Fidelidade: http://freddieawards.com/winners.php

It's interesting to note that TAM Fidelidade has over 10 million members and LANPASS has close to 6 million members...
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:04 am

Alitalia increase GIG-FCO from 5 to 6x between mid Dec till end of Feb.
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:22 pm

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 227):
Alitalia increase GIG-FCO from 5 to 6x between mid Dec till end of Feb.

That's good news. I wonder why doesn't AZ make this upgrade year round. Lack of aircraft?

Another news: apparently S4 will introduce services between LIS and SSA as follows:

S4 0851 - A313 - LIS 0820 2000 SSA - Th
S4 0850 - A313 - SSA 2205 1020 LIS - Sa

That's a LONG time with the aircraft idle at SSA if you ask me. I guess it's probably a glitch and should be fixed soon.
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:09 am

Hi,

This week, NACO (Netherlands Airport Consultants) released details about the new passenger terminal to be build in VCP:

http://www.industryeurope.net/ViewArticleNew.aspx?taid=4766

http://goo.gl/vBPNF

Judging by the picture, it would be at least 5 times bigger than the proposed 3rd terminal at GRU. Also, the local newspaper (Correio Popular) informs that VCP will support A380 operations.

Clearly the new airport operator is going head to head with GRU and trying to attract as much traffic as possible to VCP.

Expansion phases (source http://goo.gl/vou8H):

http://goo.gl/zP7Yb
http://goo.gl/dbWlU
http://goo.gl/Jk6j9
http://goo.gl/bHZg3
http://goo.gl/nTIBa



Way to go!

Best regards!
744lover

[Edited 2012-06-30 19:17:08]
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:30 am

Wow VCP, way to go!

Quoting 744lover (Reply 229):
Clearly the new airport operator is going head to head with GRU and trying to attract as much traffic as possible to VCP.

Which leads to believe VCP may get a rail-link to Sâo Paulo one day.
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:19 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 230):
Which leads to believe VCP may get a rail-link to Sâo Paulo one day.

That is basically in the pipeline. Currently there are two rail system studies: one by the state government that conceives a regular - fast train and another from the federal government that would be the bullet train connecting Campinas - São Paulo - Rio. Both would have an intermediate stop at VCP.

BR,
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:26 pm

Quoting AF086 (Reply 228):
That's a LONG time with the aircraft idle at SSA if you ask me. I guess it's probably a glitch and should be fixed soon.

As it's only once a week, probably same crew will have to operate the return flight- hence the long layover
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:16 pm

So, São Paulo is likely to regain the "title" of the city with the most distant airport from the city center?

With traffic as it is in São Paulo and taking into consideration that I don't believe the rail link will be built at all, people will have to leave home five hours before their flights!
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:24 pm

Quoting santos (Reply 232):
As it's only once a week, probably same crew will have to operate the return flight- hence the long layover

I know but doesn't Sata need this plane to fly another flight back home these days the 313 is parked at SSA? What about parking fees? Those are very high in Brazil and handling fees and so on. That seems very weird if you ask me.
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:48 pm

Quoting 744lover (Reply 231):
Currently there are two rail system studies: one by the state government that conceives a regular - fast train and another from the federal government that would be the bullet train connecting Campinas - São Paulo - Rio. Both would have an intermediate stop at VCP.

From Google maps there are rails close to VCP that lead to somewhere in Sâo Paulo, as how feasible is to upgrade that rail so to use it as VCP link, even if it takes 60min, is very good question.

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 233):
So, São Paulo is likely to regain the "title" of the city with the most distant airport from the city center?

Best to think of what VCP is to GRU/CGH like what PHL is to EWR/LGA/JFK. Campinas, where VCP is located, sometimes can't be described as a Sâo Paulo suburb but as a whole different market.
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:36 pm

Gol requested that it's GRU-CCS-MIA flight permission is terminated. The airline couldn't secure 5th freedom rights between CCS and MIA:

GLO 7700 > GRU 08h00 CCS 14h00/14h40 MIA 18h10 > B738 > xTuSa
GLO 7701 > MIA 20h00 CCS 23h30/00h10 GRU 06h15 > B738 > xTuSa

CANCELLED

These flights were never actually operated. Another blow for Gol.
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:01 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 235):
Best to think of what VCP is to GRU/CGH like what PHL is to EWR/LGA/JFK. Campinas, where VCP is located, sometimes can't be described as a Sâo Paulo suburb but as a whole different market.

I agree with you, but here in Brazil there has long been the talk of turning VCP into the "big" airport serving São Paulo. Not by airlines, of course, but by the authorities.

Much easier than dealing to the hot and expensive potato of expanding and turning GRU into a real world-class airport.
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:02 pm

Quoting AF086 (Reply 236):

Gol requested that it's GRU-CCS-MIA flight permission is terminated. The airline couldn't secure 5th freedom rights between CCS and MIA:

GLO 7700 > GRU 08h00 CCS 14h00/14h40 MIA 18h10 > B738 > xTuSa
GLO 7701 > MIA 20h00 CCS 23h30/00h10 GRU 06h15 > B738 > xTuSa

CANCELLED

These flights were never actually operated. Another blow for Gol

Do you have more details about this? Was it the US, Venezuela or Brazil denying the 5th freedom rights?

Saludos,
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:50 pm

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 237):
I agree with you, but here in Brazil there has long been the talk of turning VCP into the "big" airport serving São Paulo. Not by airlines, of course, but by the authorities.

Well said - often the idea is propped up by Campinas authorities. With the latent demand for air travel in the Greater SP, it is perfectly possible that VCP and GRU both grow and both be served by long-haul flights.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 235):
Best to think of what VCP is to GRU/CGH like what PHL is to EWR/LGA/JFK.

Comparing VCP to PHL is not very flattering   to either!
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:09 pm

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 237):
Much easier than dealing to the hot and expensive potato of expanding and turning GRU into a real world-class airport.

That's what happens with privatization. The airports now are all competing with eachother. Althought there's probably enought demand in SP for 2 international airports, I just don't see how GRU can ever grow beyond a 2 runway airport. The best solution would be a brand new airport somewhere between SP and Campinas but with GRU and VCP now under long term private contracts, that's never going to happen.
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 240):
Althought there's probably enought demand in SP for 2 international airports, I just don't see how GRU can ever grow beyond a 2 runway airport.

You mean grow beyond after all those still available bad-slots are allocated?
To start, It'd probably help GRU a lot if no all-cargo flights operations were allowed at all, at least, at the time of the most premium slots. Eventually making it a no-cargo flights airport (except for B747 Combi).
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:09 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 240):
That's what happens with privatization. The airports now are all competing with eachother. Althought there's probably enought demand in SP for 2 international airports, I just don't see how GRU can ever grow beyond a 2 runway airport. The best solution would be a brand new airport somewhere between SP and Campinas but with GRU and VCP now under long term private contracts, that's never going to happen.
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 241):
You mean grow beyond after all those still available bad-slots are allocated?
To start, It'd probably help GRU a lot if no all-cargo flights operations were allowed at all, at least, at the time of the most premium slots. Eventually making it a no-cargo flights airport (except for B747 Combi).

No need for this. LHR also has 2 runways and has a lot more movements than GRU. The problem is with ATC, the technology used at GRU is too old, if the government invested in this, the number of movements and consequently the number of slots available would go well beyond what it is today, as long as there is improvements also in the terminals because what exists today isn't capable.
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:21 pm

Quoting rg787 (Reply 242):
No need for this. LHR also has 2 runways and has a lot more movements than GRU. The problem is with ATC, the technology used at GRU is too old, if the government invested in this, the number of movements and consequently the number of slots available would go well beyond what it is today, as long as there is improvements also in the terminals because what exists today isn't capable.

Sorry but the comparison you made was very out of place! Although LHR and GRU have 2 runways, the distance between them makes all the difference. Heathrow deals with simultaneous take offs and landings, while Guarulhos doesn't. That is a key factor that limits its capacity, not to mention the lack of gates and remote parking positions.
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:14 am

any news what happened to the proposed GOL GRU-CCS-MIA flights?

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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:21 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 244):
any news what happened to the proposed GOL GRU-CCS-MIA flights?

Venezuela didn't authorize it.
Maybe G3 is looking to route GRU-MIA through another airport inside our outside Brazil?
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:29 am

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 245):
Venezuela didn't authorize it.

Venezuela is going cracy just starting the month they didnt outorized many of the Cargo connetions for US carriers into Venezuela...
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:16 pm

LAN will begin to codeshare on certain long-haul routes operated by TAM, including the GIG-JFK, GIG-LHR, GRU-JFK, GRU-LHR, GRU-MAD, and GRU-MCO routes. In October, LAN Perú will increase frequency on the LIM-GRU route to 16x weekly. Thus, LA/JJ will offer 23 weekly non-stop flights between LIM and GRU.
 
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:15 am

Some news:

- US and Brazil signed a Statement of Intent to establish a Visa Waiver Program (VWP) Working Group

- TAM confirmed will fly GRU-LIM with A332 (upgauged from A320) eff Oct 29
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RE: Brazilian Aviation News 13

Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:26 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 248):
- TAM confirmed will fly GRU-LIM with A332 (upgauged from A320) eff Oct 29

Excellent news! LATAM is increasing frequency and capacity on the LIM-GRU route:
TAM: GRU-LIM A332 daily
LAN: LIM-GRU B763 9x weekly and LIM-GRU daily A319.

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