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DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:07 am

Looks like D-ABVB is heading off into retirement.

Currently overhead Shannon, heading to KBGR, then onward to KTUP.

http://www.flightradar24.com/dlh9930#!/2012-03-13/07:38/DLH9930

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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:22 am

  

May you RIP, Victor Bravo.

[Edited 2012-03-13 06:52:41 by SA7700]
 
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:31 am

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Thread starter):
Currently overhead Shannon, heading to KBGR, then onward to KTUP.

I have two questions:

1) Why does the 744 make a stop at Bangor, and doesn't it fly non-stop to TUP? Is it because the airframe itself needs to clear customs, and that no such facilities are available at TUP?

2) What businesses are there at TUP when it comes to aircraft handling? I never heard of aircraft scrapping, maintenance or conversion facilities at TUP. (Actually, I never heard of TUP)
 
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:39 am

Quoting joost (Reply 3):
1) Why does the 744 make a stop at Bangor, and doesn't it fly non-stop to TUP? Is it because the airframe itself needs to clear customs, and that no such facilities are available at TUP?

2) What businesses are there at TUP when it comes to aircraft handling? I never heard of aircraft scrapping, maintenance or conversion facilities at TUP. (Actually, I never heard of TUP)

1. Thats correct. It's an import into the USA.

2. Yes there is a scrapping facility in TUP.
 
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:52 am

Quoting joost (Reply 3):
Actually, I never heard of TUP

I only knew it's the birthplace of Elvis Presley... But indeed TUP plans to become big as scrapping place.
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:35 am

3 more 744 are scheduled to leave the active service this year in the LH fleet for a total of 5, reducing the fleet from 30 to 25.
At the same time 5 new B747-8 will enter service, keeping the overall Lufthansa Boeing 747 fleet at 30 machines.
Add 10 A380s to that (2 deliveries this year), 24 A340-600 and 24 A340-300 (2 less), makes a fleet of almost 100 four engined birds, on top of the 18 A330s
Impressive
 
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:43 am

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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:58 am

How many hours and cycles are on these first 744's of LH being retired? Is scrapping in the USA cheaper/better than for example in India where they scrap ships and ocean liners? Or has this to do with some US gov't deal that certain parts don't end up in Iran?
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:17 am

Quoting lijnden (Reply 8):
How many hours and cycles are on these first 744's of LH being retired?

D-ABVB was the hours leader in the global 744 fleet. By now it was getting close to 120,000 hours.    Other members here have access to the exact numbers.
 
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:33 am

Very sad that D-ABVB won't fly again once it reaches TUP. Any photos of D-ABVA getting scrapped?

Quoting steman (Reply 6):

Very impressive indeed.
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:36 am

What I can find is updated March 01 , and D-ABVB then had 15097 Cycles / 115701hrs.
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:37 am

Quoting steman (Reply 6):
Add 10 A380s to that (2 deliveries this year), 24 A340-600 and 24 A340-300 (2 less), makes a fleet of almost 100 four engined birds, on top of the 18 A330s
Impressive

Indeed. The best and without a doubt the most attractive widebody fleet worldwide.

Quoting lijnden (Reply 8):
How many hours and cycles are on these first 744's of LH being retired?

The 5 744s being retired this year all have 115.000 and more flight hours achieved on more than 15.000 flights. They were certainly worth every cent LH paid for.

Btw I wonder how the retirement of the 737 fleet is going on. Last I heard a two-digit number of LHs 733s and 735s will be retired (and likely scrapped) this year.
 
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:38 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 9):
D-ABVB was the hours leader in the global 744 fleet.

Sorry to correct you, but as per 01 MAR D-ABVC had more hours being 116123, which is about 400hrs more than D-ABVB
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:45 am

Quoting DALCE (Reply 13):
Sorry to correct you, but as per 01 MAR D-ABVC had more hours being 116123, which is about 400hrs more than D-ABVB

Are you sure, I have read D-ABVB has clocked more than 119.000 hours, very close to the 120.000 limit.
Btw. D-ABVB was the second 744 built overall.
 
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:53 am

The source is very very thrustworthy, and shows me all hrs/rotations of the entire fleet.
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:55 am

Quoting steman (Reply 6):

At the same time 5 new B747-8 will enter service, keeping the overall Lufthansa Boeing 747 fleet at 30 machines.
Add 10 A380s to that (2 deliveries this year), 24 A340-600 and 24 A340-300 (2 less), makes a fleet of almost 100 four engined birds, on top of the 18 A330s
Impressive

Part of me thinks that's great, and part of me is really scared for LH's competitiveness. At a time of rising fuel prices and everyone and their mother switching to twins, can LH really successfully operate 100 four-holers? How long can LH continue to be the "odd one out" (past examples: no PTVs, single 748 customer) and still pull things off?
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:04 pm

Quoting na (Reply 12):
Btw I wonder how the retirement of the 737 fleet is going on. Last I heard a two-digit number of LHs 733s and 735s will be retired (and likely scrapped) this year.

As far as I know the 737-500 will be retired first and replaced with Cityline´s EJets. The -300 are due to stay a little longer.

Quoting Rara (Reply 16):
Part of me thinks that's great, and part of me is really scared for LH's competitiveness. At a time of rising fuel prices and everyone and their mother switching to twins, can LH really successfully operate 100 four-holers? How long can LH continue to be the "odd one out" (past examples: no PTVs, single 748 customer) and still pull things off?

So far LH did very well with a fleet of A346s and 744s against all the 77Ws. The 747-8I has very good economics too, LH has decided against the 77W and for the 747-8I when it came to decide which plane will replace their 747-400 fleet. I bet they did their math very well.
LH´s next step is to replace the first batch of 747-400s with 747-8Is and a few older A340-300 with A330-300s so they should be very competive over the next few years.

[Edited 2012-03-13 05:10:21]
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:11 pm

When was D-ABVBs last flight?

Quoting columba (Reply 17):
As far as I know the 737-500 will be retired first and replaced with Cityline´s EJet. The -300 are due to stay a little longer.

But a few months ago LH announced that retirement of 733s would start earlier than originally planned. That means this year.
 
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:17 pm

Quoting na (Reply 18):
But a few months ago LH announced that retirement of 733s would start earlier than originally planned. That means this year.

That would be sad, but LH will receive many new aircraft this year EJets as well as A32xs and with the business being at is older aircraft have to go. How about the first A320s they are as old as the 737-300s will any of them will leave the fleet, too ?
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:25 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 19):
That would be sad, but LH will receive many new aircraft this year EJets as well as A32xs and with the business being at is older aircraft have to go. How about the first A320s they are as old as the 737-300s will any of them will leave the fleet, too ?

BA, NWA/Delta and AF have already retired the agemates of LHs oldest A320 so I think those planes will have to go pretty soon, too. There have been no announcements yet though, so maybe they are quietly sold of once new A320s on order come in. Note also that some of LHs 733s are older than the oldest 744s. Nothing against well-maintained old planes, but I dont think 1980s-built 737s are really worthy anymore to be operated by a world class airline.
 
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:48 pm

There's another argument and reason for the early retirement of the 735 and 733s and that is noise. The heated arguments against the new runway have really sparked this and LH had to concede in political meetings.

The replacement by E190s which can hardly be heard while overflying will not please the NIMBYs but something haqd to be done.
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:17 pm

Quoting na (Reply 20):
Nothing against well-maintained old planes, but I dont think 1980s-built 737s are really worthy anymore to be operated by a world class airline.

I don't think this is a valid point you are mentioning. The 737's LH operates are very mint considering their age. New interiors have been installed throughout their career at LH. Most passengers wouldn't see/feel the difference compared to a newer counterpart in the LH-fleet or even 737NG operated with other airlines.
I recently read a nice trip-report from member planehunter where he compared a 737-200 and a 737-900ER in Indonesia.
The -200 was perfectly in shape where the -900ER was worn being only a few years old.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 21):
There's another argument and reason for the early retirement of the 735 and 733s and that is noise.

This is a argument which starts to look around the corner for the 737's LH operates. I wonder when EU implements new noise rules for this generation of aircraft. Other big carriers in Europe looking at this issue are SK, WW and to a lesser extend BA & LO.
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:41 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 21):
There's another argument and reason for the early retirement of the 735 and 733s and that is noise.

Did not LH did some upgrades on the engines of their 737s a few months ago ? I was spotting at TXL the other day and a LH 737 flew over me which sounded hushed in comparision with other 737 classics.
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:49 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 23):
Did not LH did some upgrades on the engines of their 737s a few months ago ? I was spotting at TXL the other day and a LH 737 flew over me which sounded hushed in comparision with other 737 classics.

yes, they did. You can see how much damage these NIMBYs are doing. The modifications will not amortize in the few months they still fly the 737s, it will also give LH a problem with the pilots flying these. A neighbour here just made his Captain license 2 or 3 years ago and he's may not be eligble to go as captain to the 744/748 which he flew as senior FO before (only the 744 of course) , and , he's a stern supporter of the Boeing fraction in LH.
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:28 pm

Quoting Rara (Reply 15):
Part of me thinks that's great, and part of me is really scared for LH's competitiveness. At a time of rising fuel prices and everyone and their mother switching to twins, can LH really successfully operate 100 four-holers? How long can LH continue to be the "odd one out" (past examples: no PTVs, single 748 customer) and still pull things off?

The entire A340-300 fleet is free of charge when it comes to finance. They are written down to zero value.
The B747-8I were rather cheap.
I am not sure if the fleet has a fuel burn disadvantage, compared against Emirates it probably has. That is probably the reason why LH considers EK its biggest threat. Other European airlines operate even funnier fleets, or are disadvantaged by other facts. Look at LHs competitors in Europe: AF-KLM, BA, SAS, Alitalia ...
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:50 pm

Quoting DALCE (Reply 12):
Sorry to correct you, but as per 01 MAR D-ABVC had more hours being 116123, which is about 400hrs more than D-ABVB

Good to know. I remember VB was in the lead at some point in the past.
 
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:41 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 8):
Quoting lijnden (Reply 8):
How many hours and cycles are on these first 744's of LH being retired?

D-ABVB was the hours leader in the global 744 fleet. By now it was getting close to 120,000 hours. Other members here have access to the exact numbers.

... and confirmig DALCE

VB left the Fleet with 115.700 TT and 15097 TC
The count for VC today 03/13/12 is 116.303 TT and 14726 TC

VC has been allways the global leader...
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:56 pm

Bye bye old lady. I will miss you as well...

You will be missed   

The numbers I have for her:
Flight time: 115,710:39 (after her arrival in TUP)
Block time: 121,384:01 (after arrival in TUP)
Cycles: 15,099

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[Edited 2012-03-13 11:59:13]
 
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting na (Reply 13):
I have read D-ABVB has clocked more than 119.000 hours, very close to the 120.000 limit.

Is 120,000 hours a manufacturer life limit on the airframe?
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:45 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 28):
Is 120,000 hours a manufacturer life limit on the airframe?

LHs 744s have been built with a life extension "package" limited to 120.000 hrs (which is more than standard). If someone would want to fly them longer, it requires a special service/structural inspection/modification.
 
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:25 pm

@Wilco

Do you have possibilities to operate those 'final' flights to the cemetary or do special crews operate such flights at LH?
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:54 pm

Btw, while I do not know how accurate it really is, it seems pretty well informed on the retirement dates of the other LH planes:

www.lh-taufnamen.de
 
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:40 am

Quoting DALCE (Reply 30):

Do you have possibilities to operate those 'final' flights to the cemetary or do special crews operate such flights at LH?

Given that Wilco mentioned he's done a delivery flight or two, I'd imagine any 744 pilot can do it.

My question is: how do you get home? Is there a commercial airport near TUP?
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:20 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 27):
Flight time: 115,710:39 (after her arrival in TUP)
Block time: 121,384:01 (after arrival in TUP)
Cycles: 15,099

wilco737
  

She must have made Lufthansa a fortune and a half over her working life. I wonder how many passengers she has carried.
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:02 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 33):
Is there a commercial airport near TUP?

TUP has scheduled air service from MEM, and can handle larger sized aircraft as well.
 
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:54 am

Ladies and gentlemen, enjoy views like this one as much as you can because one day in a not too distant future you will only see crappy 777s and 350s along with the occasional 380. Sad to see you go, victor bravo, and sadder even about never having flown you.


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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:06 am

So long, and thanks, D-ABVB for the lovely FRA-EZE flight last year.
 
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:12 am

I always have to wonder what, if anything, is left inside the cabin other than the cockpit, obviously, when the plane flies off to meet the "executioner"?
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:15 am

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 38):
I always have to wonder what, if anything, is left inside the cabin other than the cockpit, obviously, when the plane flies off to meet the "executioner"?

Memories, remembrances, great times, some not so great times, fun, adventure, expectations, hope, new friends, and other "silly" stuff.
 
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:15 am

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 38):

I always have to wonder what, if anything, is left inside the cabin other than the cockpit, obviously, when the plane flies off to meet the "executioner"?

Thankfully, ZS-SAW "Bloembontein" was not sent to an executioner but to be converted for cargo operations. However, when they do leave for the executioner, they are left pretty much in a state akin to the following one:


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Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:45 am

Thanks for posting those pics, Speedbird. I kind of figured that LH would remove everything considered to be proprietary to their brand, like seats, galleys, video and audio equipment before sending the plane off, so your pics just confirmed my figuration that that's probably what happens.

I'm also glad LH is not replacing the 744 with a boatload of boring twins. I can only hope that the 747-8I doesn't become this generation's 747SP, DC-10-40 or L1011-500, produced in very small numbers for a small number of airlines while the lion's share of the orders and passenger revenue go to the super twins and super jumbo. That being said, I'm also glad that Boeing showed the flexibility to produce the 747-8I, versus the alternative, selling LH on the merits of simply replacing their 744s with a fleet if 77Ws.

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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:59 am

Quoting DALCE (Reply 30):
Do you have possibilities to operate those 'final' flights to the cemetary or do special crews operate such flights at LH?

Usually one of the head of fleet or technical pilot does such flights as some paperwork has to be done at the destination and it is a non routine flight, so usually it is done by them, so no chance for me 
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 33):
Given that Wilco mentioned he's done a delivery flight or two, I'd imagine any 744 pilot can do it.

My question is: how do you get home? Is there a commercial airport near TUP?

I have never done a delivery flight. I only flown 2 MD11F's from VCV where they have been stored to XMN where they received a major check. I only got that chance as the flight was 15 hours long and a 3rd pilot was needed. The other 2 crew member were technical pilot, head of fleet and other captains who had the permission to do such flights. I was only the additional crew member.

No clue how the crew will be brought home, but I am sure flying to some major airport and then being flown directly to FRA as dead head crew.

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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:18 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 31):
www.lh-taufnamen.de

If that bit of info is accurate, I flew on VB three days before her last revenue flight. That was close!

Quoting Speedbird741 (Reply 35):
Ladies and gentlemen, enjoy views like this one as much as you can because one day in a not too distant future you will only see crappy 777s and 350s along with the occasional 380.

Well, a view very much like that one will probably exist for the next two or three decades.  

[Edited 2012-03-14 02:38:10]
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:40 am

Quoting aloges (Reply 42):
Well, a view very much like that one will probably exist for the next two or three decades.  

unless LH changes their livery in between  
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RE: DLH B744 D-ABVB Going West...

Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:50 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 31):

Btw, while I do not know how accurate it really is, it seems pretty well informed on the retirement dates of the other LH planes:
www.lh-taufnamen.de

Thanks for posting, I had forgot about this site. So the next three 744s, the oldest ex-Combis, are due for retirement by the end of the year. Enough time for farewell pictures (and flights) of D-ABTA, TB and TC. I am surprised that VC has been refurbished very recently, given that she´ll be retired next year. I assume all her new seats will be transferred to a newer 744 then. About half of the 744s which are planned to fly until the end of this decade at least have been refurbished, and LH seems to proceed with the modifications of the second batch in order of delivery year.

Quoting na (Reply 17):
But a few months ago LH announced that retirement of 733s would start earlier than originally planned. That means this year.

I am surprised to read now that 15 (!) 733s are leaving the fleet this year, plus 5 735s. Thats a surprisingly massive reduction, even if a similar number of ERJ195s and A319/320/321s are being delivered.

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