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Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:07 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 36):

Quoting OA260 (Reply 35):
As for ice with white wine , not for me thanks , Id be embarrassed to serve it but I guess people have different standards than others


Why would you be "embarrassed" to serve something that a customer asked for? And yes, 9 times out of 10 it is the customer who asks for it. A lot of people ask for ice in their white wine, from First Class customers to traveller customers. From privately educated individuals like myself (I personally would not put ice in my wine, id chose a different drink instead or go for a red) to the once off traveller. Its all about a matter of taste and no one should be judged for it! I personally like to give the customer a choice based on the fact that yes I personally feel the wine is at the wrong temperature instead of just plopping it down in front of them without warning. Its called good customer service!

Heck I can even name (not that I would) a senior member of the royal family who takes sweetener in their G&T!

[Edited 2012-03-16 08:44:17]


But....Thats AVIATION Darling!!!!


Of course people ask for it when it's lukewarm. And my lady last week was even better as she pre-emptied the request by offering (good service in the unacceptable circumstances).

So anyway was on a low cost Asian carrier today and my beer was so cold I was offered some boiling water to take the edge off it...... [half joking but it shows you how the EI ice service is tolerated]

Quoting tonystan (Reply 36):
Aer Maighdean abu
 
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Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:52 pm

Here's a question for those aviation historians out there ... the history of the DC10 in Irish skies.

As far as I can tell, the first airline to operate DC10s regularly to Ireland (scheduled, at least) was Northwest Orient (later Northwest and then, well, Delta in 1987, flying DUB-SNN-BOS and PIK-SNN-JFK.

We know Omni is a regular operator of DC10s now, but apart of these two, what others have operated?

TransInternational (mid to late 1970s) - although I can only remember their DC8s and 747s?
Overseas National Airlines (probably the world's unluckiest DC10 operator!) - probably used SNN as an en-route stop?
ATA - mostly L1011s, but DC10s would probably have operated through SNN on numerous occasions
Pan Am - had DC10s after merger with National - and they certainly visited SNN, but only as en route stops.
KLM, Swissair, probably Lufthansa - DC10s on training sorties to SNN, along with many other types.

Any others?
 
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Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:25 pm

SAS and BCal also sent DC10's on training sorties to Shannon.
 
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Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:27 pm

World Airways operated DC10s and MD11s on PHL-BOS-SNN and JFK-DUB as well as LAX-BFS-SNN-LAX (I think) during the mid-90s when they had their brief scheduled services to Ireland, Israel and South Africa.
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Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:22 pm

Quoting Reply 53):

Wow! Didnt even remember that one!

You learn something new every day!

Hear's another - Transamerica. I do remember one of their DC10's in Shannon.
 
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Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:02 pm

Quick question, Why is there a Malaysia Airlines sign outside Starbucks on Dawson street?
Let's fly! Unless it's on a CRJ 200, then I'll stay down here.
 
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Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:20 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 55):

Their Irish sales office is located on Dawson street.
 
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Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:42 pm

To celebrate St. Patrick's Day, DL gave out a pair of tickets to Ireland to a lucky passenger on flight DL1765 (JFK-SFO) on Saturday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qwPN...k0egc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I wonder if it was DUB or SNN?  
 
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Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:53 am

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 57):

You rogue!!!  
 
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Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:36 am

Hi - been away for quite a while...not sure if you will remember me, but here goes !
Health got in the way, but getting better.

I couldn't resist jumping in with the DC10 thread: Air Florida DUB-SNN-MIA in the 80s. Lovely  
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Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:28 am

Can anybody remember when the Aer Lingus Booking Offices closed? They had one in Dublin and one in Patricks St in Cork and I presume they had a few more....
EI FR RE EIR IWD MA FUA
 
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Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:01 am

Quoting ac747 (Reply 59):

Welcome back   Wishing you a speedy recovery and thanks for the info .

Quoting Cabincrewifly (Reply 60):

Yes I was in a few of the offices. St Stephens Green and OConnell Street in Dublin and Castle Street in Belfast.

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WANTED: travel agent to arrange jaunts abroad for politicians and civil servants. Must be able to secure flights to far-flung destinations including the US, Brazil, South Africa and Moldova.

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...contract-up-for-grabs-3054256.html

I presume BEY was to visit the troops down in Camp Shamrock .

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Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:42 pm

Quoting Cabincrewifly (Reply 60):

They were all closed under the tenure of Willie Walsh as part of the cost cutting plans he brought in in about 2002.
 
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Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:21 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 61):
Yes I was in a few of the offices. St Stephens Green and OConnell Street in Dublin and Castle Street in Belfast.

There was one in Dun Laoghaire as well.

Quoting ac747 (Reply 59):
Hi - been away for quite a while...not sure if you will remember me, but here goes !
Health got in the way, but getting better.

Sorry to hear about this, but delighted to see you back!

Quoting ac747 (Reply 59):
Air Florida DUB-SNN-MIA in the 80s.

Ah yes, remember that now (but did this actually go to DUB?)

I see the regulator (the IAA) is looking into FR's practice of charging extra for the use of emergency exit seats. I thought this was something done by quite a number of airlines? It will be interesting to see MO'L's reaction to this.
 
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Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:49 pm

I think the regulator is investigating the practice of leaving emergency exit rows completely empty. In addition to that, passengers sitting in front of or behind the exits are being asked to familiarise themselves with the opening instructions despite being actively prevented from sitting there.
 
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Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:58 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 51):
Here's a question for those aviation historians out there ... the history of the DC10 in Irish skies.

As far as I can tell, the first airline to operate DC10s regularly to Ireland (scheduled, at least) was Northwest Orient (later Northwest and then, well, Delta in 1987, flying DUB-SNN-BOS and PIK-SNN-JFK.

We know Omni is a regular operator of DC10s now, but apart of these two, what others have operated?

TransInternational (mid to late 1970s) - although I can only remember their DC8s and 747s?
Overseas National Airlines (probably the world's unluckiest DC10 operator!) - probably used SNN as an en-route stop?
ATA - mostly L1011s, but DC10s would probably have operated through SNN on numerous occasions
Pan Am - had DC10s after merger with National - and they certainly visited SNN, but only as en route stops.
KLM, Swissair, probably Lufthansa - DC10s on training sorties to SNN, along with many other types.

Any others?

Laker (the new version) ran some regular charters to DUB + SNN only a few years back. (The old Laker also used to do the odd sub service for EI when a 747 was not available)

Pan-AM..... i'm sure i remember these as being regular charter flights with passengers and not just fuel stops.

Didn't Continental also run the DC10 on their scheduled services during the peak?
 
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Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:45 pm

kaitak,

Air Florida flew a series of charters DUB-SNN-MIA with a DC10-30 N1035 F ,leased from ICELANDAIR/Loftleider
in 1980 for Capel Miami Holidays,i travelled on it in Sept 1980,the following year they commenced scheduled flights LGW-SNN-MIA with three DC10-30s, N101TV,N102TV,N103TV leased from TransAmerica,in a hybrid Transamerica Air Florida colour scheme.
The Pan Am flights were charters into SNN in the early eighties ,i got all the five ex National DC10-30s operated by Pan Am ,one saturday afternoon at SNN and then in the early 90s a company called TRADEWINDS AIRLINES was contracted by Budget Travel for flights to Florida,but the went bust before the series started and Budget Travel ,had to hire in various operators including Challenge Air,a Belgian Airline that used a DC10-30, OO-JOT
 
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Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:48 pm

Thanks Propchaser (and all who have replied on the DC10s in Ireland); quite amazing when you think about it, that there hasn't been a huge connection. I thought there would have been more.

Incidentally, as we're looking back, does anyone recall whether TWA flew anything other than 707s when it flew to DUB in the mid-1970s. Tristars, perhaps?
 
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Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:01 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 67):
Incidentally, as we're looking back, does anyone recall whether TWA flew anything other than 707s when it flew to DUB in the mid-1970s. Tristars, perhaps?

No, it was 707s all the way. The turbofan series 331Bs and pure jet JT4A-engined versions appeared. The flight numbers were TW876 and TW877. Unfortunately, despite this being a daily service for several years, photos of TWA 707s in Ireland are not very common.
 
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Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:08 pm

Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 68):

One would have seen TW 747's and Tristars at Shannon back in the day however.

It's a shame that more photos are not available of TW and PA ops to Ireland.
 
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Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:19 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 69):
One would have seen TW 747's and Tristars at Shannon back in the day however.

In particular, TWA's TLV and ATH-JFK services stopped at SNN from time to time


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Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 70):

I think the TLV stop was a regular occurance for one time during the 90's, and TW used to do a crew change at SNN. Crews stayed at a Limerick hotel and were well known there for enjoying parties in their rooms!
 
 
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Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:52 am

Aer Lingus once had an office in Limerick also. They also had a small office in the then Intercontinental Hotel (later Jury's) Ballsbridge IIRC.

Alitalia had a street front office in Dawson Street for very many years, probably 25+, when they did not serve Ireland directly and they always looked at you in amazement when you went it for a timetable (also now a thing of the past).
 
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Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:33 am

Thanks for the wishes oa260 and Kaitak. Much appreciated. It's all good  
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Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:56 am

Anyone know how far Aer Arann have got with repainting their fleet and fitting the new cabins? It's all change from next week.

EI-CBK was the first:


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I think three ATR 42s and two 72s are still in Aer Arann colours. At least one ATR 42, EI-BYO had the grey belly of Aer Lingus last week so it could be next for repainting.

In a little bit of other Aer Lingus Regional news, the BLK route no longer connects to JFK, those with existing bookings have been rerouted to MAN and if you try and book BLK-DUB-JFK it says flights are full. That's probably the biggest selling point of the route gone.
 
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Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:15 pm

Quoting nu (Reply 72):

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Aer-L...a5afc

Flew in that myself in the mock up Premier Cabin BFS-SNN once. Not a bad A/C.
 
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Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:31 pm

I got an e-mail from Aer Lingus today about through-checking baggage on other airlines (I know there was some debate on here about it recently):

Quoting Aer Lingus CCC Helpdesk:

Aer Lingus will through-check baggage as a courtesy onto any carrier that have a baggage agreement in place, upon presentation of documentation of the itinerary showing Aer Lingus and partner carrier flights on the same ticket.

This includes the following airlines:
American Airlines
Finnair
Pakistan Airlines
Air France
Gulf Air
Qantas
Air India
Iberia
Qatar Airways
Alaska Airlines
JetBlue Airways
South African Airways
Air China
Japan Airlines
Singapore Airlines
Austrian Airlines
Kenya Airways
Sri Lankan Airlines
British Airways
Kuwait Airways
Thai Airlines
China Airlines
KLM
United Airlines
China Southern
Malev
US Airways
Cathay Pacific
Malaysian
Virgin Atlantic
Emirates
Martin Air
Etihad
Northwest

Please be aware that Aer Lingus will no longer check bags all the way through if a passenger has a separate ticket with another airline even if they provide the separate tickets at check-in.

The only time this will be done is if they are connecting Aer Lingus to Aer Lingus.

If a passenger has a through fare/ticket they will be checked in to their end destination as well as their bags.


But the good news is, If you're booking EI from KIR or IOM on an onwards EI flight through DUB, your bags are checked all the way through. 
 
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Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:19 pm

Boeing had a private 737 in today. Aer Lingus impressed with what they saw with the 787 maybe? or someone involved in the Malev aircraft..... I prefer the first one!
 
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Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:55 pm

Quoting rufusisgod (Reply 78):
Boeing had a private 737 in today. Aer Lingus impressed with what they saw with the 787 maybe? or someone involved in the Malev aircraft..... I prefer the first one!

More likely a transit stop - it was only on the ground for an hour and a bit.
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:29 am

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 77):
Please be aware that Aer Lingus will no longer check bags all the way through if a passenger has a separate ticket with another airline even if they provide the separate tickets at check-in.

Thanks for that, more flexibility vanishing from the airline industry. Another reason to go hand baggage where you can. Might also help if EI offered better facilities to book to more places, not directly served, on the EI website.
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:19 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 80):
Thanks for that, more flexibility vanishing from the airline industry. Another reason to go hand baggage where you can. Might also help if EI offered better facilities to book to more places, not directly served, on the EI website.

Definately more pressure to book on one ticket now, especially going long-haul.

From today's Limerick Post:

Quoting Willie O'Dea, TD:
It is reasonably likely that Knock will overtake Shannon this year on passenger numbers.
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:19 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 81):
Quoting Willie O'Dea, TD:
It is reasonably likely that Knock will overtake Shannon this year on passenger numbers.

He does not have a clue. Shannon must carry 1m more passengers than Knock. SNN isn't losing that much traffic or NOC isn't growing that much.
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting EI564 (Reply 82):
He does not have a clue. Shannon must carry 1m more passengers than Knock. SNN isn't losing that much traffic or NOC isn't growing that much.

Quite true. According to Wikipedia, NOC had 654,553 in 2011 while SNN had passenger figures somewhere in the region of 1.6m. I know the that NOC had done well at attracting new routes and the evidence so far this year is that SNN has continued to loose ground and I have no doubt if you extrapolated the current trends over the next several years that NOC would undoubtadly pass out SNN but come on, NOC to overtake SNN this year?
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:28 pm

Aer Arann has announced the cession of its IOM-LCY route on its official Facebook page (of all places) saying: "we sincerely regret the impact that this decision will have on our customers. The decision is due to our evolving new business model which is based on providing connectivity and frequency on flights between the UK and Ireland and onwards to the USA and unfortunately the Isle of Man-London City route is not a strategic fit with this".
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:55 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 84):
Aer Arann has announced the cession of its IOM-LCY route on its official Facebook page (of all places) saying: "we sincerely regret the impact that this decision will have on our customers. The decision is due to our evolving new business model which is based on providing connectivity and frequency on flights between the UK and Ireland and onwards to the USA and unfortunately the Isle of Man-London City route is not a strategic fit with this".

Well now we know why it didn't move to Aer Lingus Regional - clearly loss making, or they can make more money with the aircraft deployed elsewhere.

The end for Aer Arann in its current form. They'll do much better as Aer Lingus Regional, I would say!
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:55 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 85):
Well now we know why it didn't move to Aer Lingus Regional - clearly loss making, or they can make more money with the aircraft deployed elsewhere.

Im not sure it is "clearly loss making", they would not have been operating three daily services if it were, I would have thought. Had RE already had a large operation at LCY, with multiple flights to Ireland, the route may have been kept as part of a larger EIR operation at LCY. However LCY has never resonated with Irish customers in the same way LHR, LGW and STN have, LTN to a lesser extent. IOM-LCY would be the only non-EIR route in the RE system and a bit of a nightmare, can RE crew wear EI uniform on non-EI (and charter) flights, for example? In short the route would be a logistical nightmare.
All of that said, it is sad to see the end of the RE brand, as it currently exists. RE at various stages had dreams of flying to many destinations out of SEN, there were even rumours of ORK-JFK/BOS with 757s at one point! Who remembers the AMS experiment with the BAe's a few years back? Like the EI bases at LGW (and to a lesser extent BFS) much of that is consigned to wishful daydreaming of what might have been. I can't help wondering if more of RE's dreams might have come true if EI had worked more closely with them in the early 2000s and they had taken over some of the BAe 146s at that point.
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:54 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 86):
All of that said, it is sad to see the end of the RE brand, as it currently exists. RE at various stages had dreams of flying to many destinations out of SEN, there were even rumours of ORK-JFK/BOS with 757s at one point! Who remembers the AMS experiment with the BAe's a few years back? Like the EI bases at LGW (and to a lesser extent BFS) much of that is consigned to wishful daydreaming of what might have been. I can't help wondering if more of RE's dreams might have come true if EI had worked more closely with them in the early 2000s and they had taken over some of the BAe 146s at that point.

I think you've summed it up REs Celtic Tiger era pretty well there Brian. They surely did dare to dream of becoming a big player in the Irish aviation market. They succeeded up to a point. GWY had a pretty impressive route network given its size, mostly thanks to RE. I even remember reading somewhere they had plans to acquire a substantial fleet of A320s. However, we all knew that REs had spread themselves far too thin. They seemed to be hell bent on having a presence at every Irish airport, big and small offering a range of domestic and UK routes from each one. Operating such an ad-hoc route network must have been a logistical nightmare even at the best of times.

The domestic route network was never sustainable and was kept alive purely by the PSO subsidies. The UK market was very crowded with EI and FR both already fighting tooth and nail over every route. Their ATR fleet and the runway length at GWY limited them to serving destinations in the UK and at a stretch, Northern France (hence the BAe experiment) from their primary base. It would also have been extremely difficult for RE to grow a substantial route network out of any other Irish airports. FR has SNN to themselves and would have quashed any attempt by RE to grow there. Similarily at DUB by FR/EI and at ORK by EI. NOC and KIR were not seen as major players at the time as their catchements were too small. GWY had a decent sized catehement and was relatively unserved and therefore was arguably the best of a bad set of options.

In hindsight, they only way RE were going to be a big player was for them to be absorbed into EI one way or another. At least this way, they will survive and could potentially go out on their own again once things improve. It will be interesting though to see how they get on a SEN under the EIR brand. This must be the first time in a long time that the EI brand has gone into a new market before anyone else. There of course an added incentive for the Stobart group who are the largest shareholder in both RE and SEN. You can bet sure that they won't care whether the planes are painted green or white, just as long as both RE and SEN are making money.
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:21 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 77):
Northwest
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 77):
Malev

Very odd that a list sent to you yesterday includes a few airlines which no longer are in operation. Somewhat poor data accuracy by the department overseeing the contents of that particular email. Someone interlining bags onto "Northwest" might be left waiting awhile at baggage claim!

I can understand Malev being on the list seeing as it went under so recently. However, NW hasn't existed in 2+ years.

Intriguing that Delta Airlines isn't on the list while KL is. One would think that someone flying, for example, from ORK to DTW via AMS on EI and then a KL codeshare flight operated by DL would expect to have their bags interlined? Or would EI refuse since it doesn't have an agreement with DL, according to the list in the email?
 
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Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:51 pm

Quoting TravelGuy (Reply 88):
Very odd that a list sent to you yesterday includes a few airlines which no longer are in operation. Somewhat poor data accuracy by the department overseeing the contents of that particular email. Someone interlining bags onto "Northwest" might be left waiting awhile at baggage claim!

I can understand Malev being on the list seeing as it went under so recently. However, NW hasn't existed in 2+ years.

Intriguing that Delta Airlines isn't on the list while KL is. One would think that someone flying, for example, from ORK to DTW via AMS on EI and then a KL codeshare flight operated by DL would expect to have their bags interlined? Or would EI refuse since it doesn't have an agreement with DL, according to the list in the email?

I was thinking the same. One would assume, in practice, they replaced NW with DL for onward flights from AMS. That list would need updating though!
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:10 pm

Interesting to see from another thread that Iberia Express will be operating the MAD - DUB flight from June 1st.

Although not much of a change, nice to see a "new" operator...
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RE: Irish 5/12: ILS Established, Gear Down, Flap 30

Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:32 pm

Some Shannon news:

- American Airlines flight AA49 (Paris-Dallas), a Boeing 767-300ER, was diverted yesterday with a technical problem; it landed safely at 13:25. AA sent a relief aircraft to continue the journey to DFW.

- The 787 will again visit Shannon on the 1st and 2nd of April as part of the fifth Dreamliner Tour: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.ph...43&item=2180#.T2w9dlH9Iq4.twitter.
 
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RE: Irish 5/12: ILS Established, Gear Down, Flap 30

Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:54 pm

2% drop in numbers at DUB for feb.

Europe down 8%.

UK up 2%

Transatlantic up 8%

Other Long haul up a massive 86%, indicating that Etihad are also increasing numbers on the DUB route.

Domestic is down 52% but obviously thats expected due PSO's ending.

Good growth on long haul!
 
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RE: Irish 5/12: ILS Established, Gear Down, Flap 30

Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:20 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 92):
2% drop in numbers at DUB for feb.

Europe down 8%.

UK up 2%

Transatlantic up 8%

Other Long haul up a massive 86%, indicating that Etihad are also increasing numbers on the DUB route.

Domestic is down 52% but obviously thats expected due PSO's ending.

Good growth on long haul!

Interesting. Are you able to get a breakdown by operator? I'd be willing to bet that it is mostly Ryanair responsible for the traffic drop.
In the previous statistics i remember being posted, it was mostly Ryanair that declined, Euro carriers went up and Aerlingus was stable.

On the Atlantic side, good to see a bit of recovery but again it would be nice if a breakdown of operators was available to see if EI or the American carriers are benefiting the most.
 
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RE: Irish 5/12: ILS Established, Gear Down, Flap 30

Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:35 pm

BHD runway extension dropped sadly !


http://www.independent.ie/breaking-n...-runway-extension-bid-3059976.html

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Does anyone know why a Condor B767 is being parked at the hangers at DUB? Its tail logo seems to be missing.
 
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RE: Irish 5/12: ILS Established, Gear Down, Flap 30

Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:45 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 93):

Im sure the DAA do have the numbers - bur alas I do not! Sorry  
 
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RE: Irish 5/12: ILS Established, Gear Down, Flap 30

Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:22 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 94):
Does anyone know why a Condor B767 is being parked at the hangers at DUB? Its tail logo seems to be missing

Its 'en-route' to Condor, ex EI-CRD of Alitalia and now D-ABUL for Condor, one of the now many repaints/re-regs in Dublin thanks to Eirtech
 
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RE: Irish 5/12: ILS Established, Gear Down, Flap 30

Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:26 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 94):
Does anyone know why a Condor B767 is being parked at the hangers at DUB? Its tail logo seems to be missing.

It is an ex-Alitalia aircraft that has been repainted at DUB. I had uploaded a photo to this site but failed to meet its exacting standards. Here it is anyway:

EI-CRD Boeing 767-31BER by Irish251, on Flickr

BTW several of the Spanair aircraft at DUB are being painted for Vueling and a couple have already left for their new operator. One of the Kingfisher A320s has also left for Woensdrecht in the Netherlands.
 
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RE: Irish 5/12: ILS Established, Gear Down, Flap 30

Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:40 pm

Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 97):
I had uploaded a photo to this site but failed to meet its exacting standards. Here it is anyway:

Too much cloud probably, you should have photo shopped it !!

   
 
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RE: Irish 5/12: ILS Established, Gear Down, Flap 30

Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting TravelGuy (Reply 88):
Intriguing that Delta Airlines isn't on the list while KL is.

Im not sure that is an exhaustive list, necessarily. For example I have seen bags tagged onto Philippine airlines by EI.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 87):
In hindsight, they only way RE were going to be a big player was for them to be absorbed into EI one way or another. At least this way, they will survive and could potentially go out on their own again once things improve.

I think it is unfortunate that the EIR concept did not happen sooner. EI and RE worked closely together prior to the WW days, EI used to handle RE at ORK and ran the ticketing, etc they extensively joint-operated and later code-shared ORK-DUB, for example when EI withdrew from the route. Frankly I think RE stuffed it up for themselves, poor timekeeping, poor scheduling, poor standards of aircraft cleanliness (and by extension, the implication of poor aircraft maintenance), high fares and poor marketing are just too much for any airline to sustain.
CM may not have brought as much as we might like to the customer side of EI, but the strategic and revenue direction has been absolutely the right one. There is no point chasing FR down for the 1c customer, EI seem to have finally realised that improved schedules will drive better yield. The important thing to remember about making money is the delta between costs and revenue. EI are doing a good job maximising that delta, keeping a keen eye on costs AND revenue.

Quoting IRISH251 (Reply 97):
BTW several of the Spanair aircraft at DUB are being painted for Vueling and a couple have already left for their new operator. One of the Kingfisher A320s has also left for Woensdrecht in the Netherlands.

I saw this on another thread. Interesting, because I think all VY and ex IB or XG A320s are CFM powered, the Spanair birds would be IAE powered. I suppose the short availability of these aircraft and the capacity gap in Spain might out weigh the complications of two engine types. I assume part of the explanation is the link to IAG, who have an 85 strong fleet of IEA powered A319/20/21s at BA, of course.

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