Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
b741
Topic Author
Posts: 677
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:09 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:33 pm

Not just a North American thing. CX412, OZ724, CX524 for the Asian business overnighter. Who knows, maybe European redeyes exist?
Being Bilingual, I Speak English And Aviation
 
KFlyer
Posts: 320
Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:05 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:37 pm

Of course nothing exclusive to North America. Why should it come as a suprise? Most Asian and European airlines have been doing red eyes for years.
The opinions above are solely my own and do not express those of my employers or clients.
 
Rara
Posts: 2309
Joined: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:41 am

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:38 pm

European redeyes go to Mediterranean holiday destinations.  
Samson was a biblical tough guy, but his dad Samsonite was even more of a hard case.
 
b741
Topic Author
Posts: 677
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:09 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:49 pm

Ah, I see now. London, Paris, Frankfurt to Dubai and maybe Athens.
Being Bilingual, I Speak English And Aviation
 
KFlyer
Posts: 320
Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:05 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:55 pm

b741, not really.. Redeyes exist around most of Asian airports. Taking CMB - my hometown which is not known for a heavy biz demand - as an example.. Present redeyes include
CMB-BKK on CX, TG
CMB-SIN on CX, SQ, UL
CMB-DXB on EK
CMB-KUL on MH

[Edited 2012-03-26 07:59:26]

[Edited 2012-03-26 08:00:08]
The opinions above are solely my own and do not express those of my employers or clients.
 
traveler_7
Posts: 448
Joined: Tue May 23, 2000 12:45 am

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:02 pm

Russian carriers frequently do overnight flights from AMS and LON to Moscow exploiting time difference.
Few years ago Estonian Air was flying overnight back from Dublin to Tallinn. I think Air Baltic did/do it as well.
 
b741
Topic Author
Posts: 677
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:09 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:06 pm

And don't forget Perth to Sydney on Virgin Australia 330's.
Being Bilingual, I Speak English And Aviation
 
ben175
Posts: 820
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:44 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:15 pm

Quoting b741 (Reply 6):
And don't forget Perth to Sydney on Virgin Australia 330's.

One of the many transcontinental Aussie red-eyes from Perth. We have overnight services on QF, DJ, TT and JQ to SYD, MEL, BNE, CNS and OOL.

At often less than 3.5 hours, PER-MEL puts the real red-eye in the phrase - it's pretty hard to get a decent sleep!

[Edited 2012-03-26 08:17:33]
 
User avatar
zeke
Posts: 15711
Joined: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:42 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:19 pm

Quoting b741 (Thread starter):

Midnight is actually one of the busiest times if the day in HKG, flights leaving for Australia arriving late in the morning, European, Indian, and middle east flights arriving early morning.

I think my best was operating 10 red eyes in one month.
“Don't be a show-off. Never be too proud to turn back. There are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old, bold pilots.” E. Hamilton Lee, 1949
 
User avatar
United787
Posts: 2943
Joined: Fri May 20, 2005 12:20 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:36 pm

In 2005 I did a redeye on TG KIX-BKK ... and that was a westbound redeye...
 
Ratypus
Posts: 185
Joined: Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:26 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:01 pm

BA and Aegean both do a 'red-eye' from London to Athens, too. The BA flight arrives around 02.30am, so not a true overnighter, but the Aegean leaves London at 22:15 and (exploiting 2 hour time difference) arrives at 05.00 the next morning. With a flight time under 4 hours, that must feel pretty sore the next day.
 
Ratypus
Posts: 185
Joined: Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:26 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:04 pm

Apologies, I think the Aegean flight normally arrives at 4.00 (was funny on the timetable this week because of UK time change over the weekend, I think...).

Others have already pointed out the London-Moscow red-eyes. There are also 'overnight' flights to Istanbul that arrive around 04.30.

Similarly lots and lots of charter holiday flights run at fairly unsociable times overnight.
 
Ratypus
Posts: 185
Joined: Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:26 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:06 pm

And also Larnaca from LHR has plenty of overnight service.
 
Cipango
Posts: 1498
Joined: Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:55 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:08 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 9):
In 2005 I did a redeye on TG KIX-BKK ... and that was a westbound redeye...

There a quite a few westbound red eyes from Asia to Europe.

I flew on one with VS from HKG-LHR. Despite leaving close to midnight, we still arrived at 04:01am after circling due to the curfew.
Let's fly! Unless it's on a CRJ 200, then I'll stay down here.
 
kaitakfan
Posts: 1547
Joined: Fri Oct 29, 1999 1:04 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:49 pm

What an incredible revelation you have discovered!   
 
sw733
Posts: 5884
Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:19 am

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:59 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 13):
There a quite a few westbound red eyes from Asia to Europe.

Indeed...London, Paris, Frankfurt, and I'm sure a couple others. I did the HKG-FCO redeye on CX a couple years back and I believe that one still exists...
 
User avatar
totesen
Posts: 82
Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:50 am

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:22 pm

Here in Mexico, most flights out of Tijuana (And Also Most California LAX,SFO,ETC), are red eyes, there is a 2hr time difference so leaving TIJ at 11:30pm will get you at 6 am in MEX. also AM has JFK,BOG,LAX,SFO red eyes
Follow me on Twitter: www.twitter.com/totesen
 
hoons90
Posts: 3804
Joined: Wed Aug 01, 2001 10:15 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:49 pm

They are more common than you think!

ICN-bound Intra-Asia redeyes:

OZ724 HKG-ICN 00:30-05:00
KE608 HKG-ICN 00:45-05:25
CX412 HKG-ICN 01:00-05:35
OZ750 HKG-ICN 01:00-05:30

OZ356 CAN-ICN 00:55-05:10

LJ008 MFM-ICN 01:20-05:50
NX826 MFM-ICN 02:00-06:25

KE886 KMG-ICN 00:05-05:10
MU2003 KMG-ICN 02:10-06:45

OZ322 CSX-ICN 00:20-04:20
MU2023 CSX-ICN 00:55-04:40

OZ324 CTU-ICN 00:10-04:50

MU2015 KWL-ICN 00:40-05:20

KE868 ULN-ICN 23:50-03:50+1

KE652 BKK-ICN 22:20-06:00+1
TG658 BKK-ICN 23:05-06:30+1
OZ742 BKK-ICN 23:20-06:55+1
TG656 BKK-ICN 23:30-06:55+1
KE654 BKK-ICN 23:45-07:05+1
LJ002 BKK-ICN 23:45-06:55+1
8B868 BKK-ICN 00:10-07:30
7C2202 BKK-ICN 00:45-08:05
OZ744 BKK-ICN 01:00-08:35
KE660 BKK-ICN 01:25-08:55

TG654 HKT-ICN 22:30-06:50+1
8B866 HKT-ICN 23:25-07:25+1
KE638 HKT-ICN 00:45-08:40
OZ748 HKT-ICN 01:25-09:35
8B864 HKT-ICN 02:30-10:30

8B892 CNX-ICN 23:10-06:20+1
KE668 CNX-ICN 23:50-07:00+1

KE684 SGN-ICN 23:35-06:35+1
VN408 SGN-ICN 23:35-06:40+1
OZ736 SGN-ICN 23:40-06:40+1

OZ734 HAN-ICN 22:50-05:10+1
KE680 HAN-ICN 23:35-05:50+1
VN416 HAN-ICN 23:40-05:50+1

OZ756 DAD-ICN 23:00-05:35+1
KE464 DAD-ICN 23:20-05:15+1

KE690 PNH-ICN 23:20-06:35+1
OZ740 PHN-ICN 23:55-07:10+1

KE688 REP-ICN 23:25-06:35+1
OZ738 REP-ICN 23:40-07:00+1

OZ752 SIN-ICN 22:40-06:00+1
SQ608 SIN-ICN 00:10-07:45
KE642 SIN-ICN 01:10-08:25

KE628 CGK-ICN 22:05-07:05+1
GA878 CGK-ICN 23:20-08:30+1
KE626 CGK-ICN 00:15-09:35

GA870 DPS-ICN 00:20-08:25
KE634 DPS-ICN 00:25-08:25
KE630 DPS-ICN 01:20-09:20

D7 506 KUL-ICN 23:00-06:20+1
KE672 KUL-ICN 23:15-06:55+1
MH066 KUL-ICN 23:30-07:10+1

OZ758 BKI-ICN 00:10-06:25
ZE502 BKI-ICN 00:30-06:40

KE624 MNL-ICN 23:40-04:40+1
OZ704 MNL-ICN 23:45-04:45+1
7C2302 MNL-ICN 23:50-04:40+1
PR466 MNL-ICN 00:20-05:20
5J190 MNL-ICN 01:15-06:15

OZ710 CEB-ICN 00:50-06:20
KE632 CEB-ICN 01:05-06:30
LJ010 CEB-ICN 02:05-07:30

Z2 038 KLO-ICN 00:30-05:30

OZ708 CRK-ICN 00:55-05:50
LJ004 CRK-ICN 01:40-06:20

KC909 ALA-ICN 01:55-10:55
OZ578 ALA-ICN 23:10-07:50+1

KE954 TAS-ICN 20:00-06:15+1
OZ574 TAS-ICN 22:20-08:50+1
Flown: 2L 7C 9E 9L AA AB AC AF AY AZ BA BR BX B6 CA CO CP CX DL EK EY JL KE KL LA LH LX MQ NW OZ PD RW SQ TG TP TR TS US WG WN WS XE XJ
 
Viscount724
Posts: 19316
Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:32 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:14 pm

Quoting b741 (Thread starter):
Not just a North American thing.
Quoting KFlyer (Reply 1):
Of course nothing exclusive to North America. Why should it come as a suprise? Most Asian and European airlines have been doing red eyes for years.

And most longhaul Europe-Africa flights are redeyes in both directions, as are flights of similar distance between North America and South America. That's mainly because passengers (especially business travellers) don't want to waste a day in each direction. In many other markets (e.g. Asia-Europe) it's also because of the impact of time zones and airport curfews.
 
AusA380
Posts: 116
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:38 am

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:18 pm

A lot of flight from Asia into Australia are redeye flights.
 
fortunerunnner
Posts: 90
Joined: Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:31 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:29 pm

Most if not all India-Europe/US/Far East flights land and take off at weird hours (anywhere between 12AM to 5:00AM), nothing new for Indians to travel red-eye. We are used to it   
 
sw733
Posts: 5884
Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:19 am

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:50 pm

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 17):
ICN-bound Intra-Asia redeyes:

Out of curiosity the last few times I was in Hong Kong, it appears that the last two HKG departures are often flights to Busan, around 2:30am or so.
 
b741
Topic Author
Posts: 677
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:09 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:01 pm

I see CX293 HKG-FCO still exists. But I would think after a 13? hr. 5700 mile "redeye", the eyes would not be so red. Still when this phrase is mentioned, I think LA-NY or N. America to S. America overnight flights.
Being Bilingual, I Speak English And Aviation
 
sw733
Posts: 5884
Joined: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:19 am

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:06 pm

Quoting b741 (Reply 22):
I see CX293 HKG-FCO still exists. But I would think after a 13? hr. 5700 mile "redeye", the eyes would not be so red. Still when this phrase is mentioned, I think LA-NY or N. America to S. America overnight flights.

I guess it depends on your definition of red-eye. My definition is a flight leaving late and arriving early after flying through the night, length not being a factor. However, other peoples definition could very well be different. Is there a set, recognized definition of the term?
 
AngMoh
Posts: 1075
Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:03 am

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:16 pm

Quoting SW733 (Reply 15):
Indeed...London, Paris, Frankfurt, and I'm sure a couple others. I did the HKG-FCO redeye on CX a couple years back and I believe that one still exists...

Redeye is the default, day flights are the exception. From SIN, the only day flights to Europe I am aware of is QF and SQ SIN-LHR and SQ SIN-FRA - and even for this routes an overnight flight is the default. Everything else departs after 11 PM. Thanks to the A380 we have no more day flights to ZHR and CDG 

On the way back, every flight is overnight due to a combination of time zones and flight time.

Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 20):
Most if not all India-Europe/US/Far East flights land and take off at weird hours (anywhere between 12AM to 5:00AM), nothing new for Indians to travel red-eye. We are used to it   

I love my MAA/BLR-SIN flights. They depart just after midnight India time and arrive before 7 AM, but with a flight time of only 4 hrs. I normally fall asleep just when we are about to land.

There are many other overnight flights. LAX has 17 scheduled departures between midnight and 2 AM with the bulk going to Asia or South America. SIN has 30 of which 20 are intra-asia flights. So I would say the redeye is much more common in Asia than in the US.
727 732 733 734 735 73G 738 739/ER 742 743 744/M 752 753 762 772 77E 773 77W 788 A300 A310 A319 A320 A321 A332 A333 A343 A345 A346 A359 A35K A388 DC-9 DC-10 MD11 MD81 MD82 MD87 F70 ERJ145 E170 E175 E190 E195 ATR72 Q400 CRJ200 CRJ700 CRJ900 BAE146 RJ85
 
blackwidow
Posts: 48
Joined: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:56 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:27 pm

BA has started a daylight HKG.. (operates WED/FR/SUN)

BA021 1200 LHR HKG 0655

(MON/THU/SAT
BA022 0900 HKG LHR 1500

Id rather catch the red eye and get some sleep than the daylight coming home and +8 time difference!!!!

[Edited 2012-03-26 14:35:54]
 
b741
Topic Author
Posts: 677
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:09 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:28 pm

I just checked with wiki and the definition of a red-eye is basically any overnighter less than 7 hrs. Hence the terminology.
Being Bilingual, I Speak English And Aviation
 
airbuske
Posts: 194
Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:36 am

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:43 pm

Some years ago I flew a red eye JNB-NBO on KQ.
 
tayser
Posts: 436
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:49 pm

The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:08 pm

fair few, mostly international, red eyes going from Australia to all parts of Asia and NZ as well

1:05 am → 5:55 am MEL-SIN S M T W T F S Singapore Airlines 218
1:05 am → 6:40 am MEL-KUL S M T W T F S Malaysia 128
1:45 am → 7:00 am MEL-KUL - M - - T - S AirAsia 213
2:40 am → 8:45 am MEL-KUL S - - - - - - Emirates 409
3:35 am → 8:25 am MEL-KUL - M T W T F S Emirates 409
12:30 am → 6:00 am MEL-BKK S - - - - - - Thai 4621
12:30 am → 6:00 am MEL-BKK - M - W T F S Thai 462
11:30 pm → 6:00 am MEL-BKK S - - - - - - Thai 462
12:45 am → 7:15 am MEL-HKG S - - - - - - Cathay Pacific 2178
12:45 am → 7:15 am MEL-HKG - M T W T F S Cathay Pacific 178
11:45 pm → 7:15 am MEL-HKG S - - - - - - Cathay Pacific 178
11:55 pm → 5:25 am MEL-AKL S M T W T F S Jetstar 215
10:10 pm → 6:30 am MEL-AUH S - - - - - - Etihad 461
11:10 pm → 6:30 am MEL-AUH - M T W T F S Etihad 461
10:55 pm → 6:10 am MEL-DOH S - - - - - - Qatar 31
11:55 pm → 6:10 am MEL-DOH - M T W T F S Qatar 31
10:30 pm → 6:00 am MEL-CAN S - - - - - - China Southern 322
11:30 pm → 6:00 am MEL-CAN - M T W T F S China Southern 322
12:20 am → 6:10 am MEL-NAN - M - W - - - Air Pacific 930
2:35 am → 8:05 am MEL-NAN - - - - - - S Air Pacific 930
11:20 pm → 6:10 am MEL-NAN S - - - - - - Air Pacific 930
1:45 am → 4:45 am MEL-DRW - - T W T F S Virgin Australia 1457
 
packcheer
Posts: 154
Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:28 pm

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:44 am

My personal definition of a red-eye was a flight that used advantage of a time change to make the flight "longer" than it actually is.

two flights I have flown in the past as an example.

LAS - PIT (on US). The flight itself was only about 4 hours, but because of the time change, we landed 7 hrs after we took off. That means we should have gotten a full night sleep, but we were only in the air for 4 hours, hence the term red eye.


ATL-AMS (DL). This is an over night flight, not a red eye. The flight was long enough that I had enough time to watch a few movies, a couple TV shows, and get a decent amount of sleep.


The long international flights are over night flights, but certainly not red -eyes (at least to me) because the flight itself is long enough for me to be at least somewhat rested on the other end.
Things that fly, Girls and Planes...
 
tayser
Posts: 436
Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 10:49 pm

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:57 am

I implore you to try a London-Melbourne 24 hour flight via Singapore and at the end of the journey tell us all that you dont have red eyes  

Night is when most of us normally sleep, but not everyone sleeps on planes!  
 
louA340
Posts: 345
Joined: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:19 pm

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:21 am

Well pretty much every flight from West Africa to Europe is a red eye! As they all leave very late evening and arrive at their destination early morning. All with a flight time of roughly 4-7 hours.
 
blueflyer
Posts: 4352
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:17 am

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:48 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):
And most longhaul Europe-Africa flights are redeyes in both directions

There are plenty of flights from Europe to sub-Saharan Africa leaving in the morning to connect with inbound flights from North America. They do a (quick) turn at destination and come back as red-eye flights, again to connect with North American flights, on the outbound this time.
 
aznmadsci
Posts: 1646
Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:02 pm

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:55 am

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 17):
KE624 MNL-ICN 23:40-04:40+1
OZ704 MNL-ICN 23:45-04:45+1
7C2302 MNL-ICN 23:50-04:40+1
PR466 MNL-ICN 00:20-05:20
5J190 MNL-ICN 01:15-06:15

OZ710 CEB-ICN 00:50-06:20
KE632 CEB-ICN 01:05-06:30
LJ010 CEB-ICN 02:05-07:30

Z2 038 KLO-ICN 00:30-05:30

OZ708 CRK-ICN 00:55-05:50
LJ004 CRK-ICN 01:40-06:20

On a slight off topic note, I'm a bit surprised at the number of Philippines-ICN flights.
The journey of life is not based on the accomplishments, but the experience.
 
User avatar
BreninTW
Posts: 1701
Joined: Sun Jul 02, 2006 5:31 pm

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:59 am

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 33):
On a slight off topic note, I'm a bit surprised at the number of Philippines-ICN flights

The Philippines is a very popular tourist destination for Koreans.

The couple of times I've been on Boracay, the resorts have been packed to the rafters with vacationing Koreans (and some Japanese).
 
User avatar
aerorobnz
Posts: 8368
Joined: Sat Feb 10, 2001 3:43 pm

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:44 am

It maximises aircraft utilisation. NZ operates APW/RAR/PPT-AKL overnight year round, and used to operate TBU/IUE as well. they offer redeyes on the LCC Holiday/VFR routes.
Flown to 147 Airports in 62 Countries on 83 Operators and counting. Wanderlust is like Syphilis, once you have the itch it's too late for treatment.
 
User avatar
stasisLAX
Posts: 2968
Joined: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:04 am

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:04 am

Quoting packcheer (Reply 29):
LAS - PIT (on US). The flight itself was only about 4 hours, but because of the time change, we landed 7 hrs after we took off. That means we should have gotten a full night sleep, but we were only in the air for 4 hours, hence the term red eye.

Flew US from PHX to PHL on Sunday night "red-eye" flights at least 3 times a month for about 3 years without fail. Nice to fly the 757 all the time, but waking up to the black-hole that US at PHL is was hell on a Monday morning!   
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
 
qf002
Posts: 3689
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:14 am

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:50 am

Quoting AusA380 (Reply 19):
A lot of flight from Asia into Australia are redeye flights.

Thinking about it, I've only taken 2 flights in the last decade in/out of Australia than haven't been overnight... The early morning EK flight to DXB earlier this year (which is so long you have to sleep anyway), and SYD-BKK... Everything else has been overnight. So it just feels like the norm to me. I can't imagine booking a flight that leaves in the morning and arrives in the afternoon for anything over a few hours...
 
AirGAbon
Posts: 676
Joined: Fri Dec 19, 2003 10:37 pm

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:48 am

Aeroflot is the champion of redeye flights in Europe from:
LHR to SVO
CDG to SVO
AMS to SVO
BRU to SVO
FRA to SVO
MUC to SVO
GVA to SVO
ZRH to SVO
VIE to SVO
MXP to SVO
FCO to SVO
MAD to SVO
BCN to SVO
BUD to SVO
CPH to SVO
IST to SVO
ATH to SVO

And also for domestic/CEI flights:
SVO to IKT
SVO to KJA
SVO to OVB
SVO to SVX
SVO to OMS
SVO to TAS
SVO to EVN
SVO to Perm
and many other cities missing.

Redeye = better aircraft utilization, more options for passenegers. And it is great to arrive in Moscow at 05:00am to avoid the crowded and the road traffic.
 
User avatar
RWA380
Posts: 5757
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:51 am

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:10 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 9):
In 2005 I did a redeye on TG KIX-BKK ... and that was a westbound redeye

Mine is below,

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 17):
OZ752 SIN-ICN 22:40-06:00+1
Quoting tayser (Reply 30):
Night is when most of us normally sleep, but not everyone sleeps on planes!

Amen to that, unless I'm sitting proper, up in J or F, I'm not sleeping either, even in J or F it's hard to sleep with all the noises going on around you. But it's been a while since I've flown up front, or at all, I'm sure with lie-flats it's easier.
707 717 720 727-1/2 737-1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 747-1/2/3/4 757-2/3 767-2/3/4 777-2/3 DC8 DC9 MD80/2/7/8 D10-1/3/4 M11 L10-1/2/5 A300/310/320
AA AC AQ AS BA BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HG HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN WP YS 8M
 
Superfly
Posts: 37705
Joined: Thu May 11, 2000 8:01 am

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:17 am

Redeyes are great for those that can sleep onboard and/or don't want to waste a day in the air and hassles getting to & from airport during the busy daytime rush.
Bring back the Concorde
 
CYatUK
Posts: 388
Joined: Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:21 am

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:35 am

In the case of Cyprus, a lot of airlines especially LH,OS and LOT operate red-eye flights out of LCA to their respective hubs so that passengers have the opportunity to connect to either European or TATL destinations.

On the other hand, BA operate their LCA-LHR flight in the afternoon and with an arrival time in LHR after 19:00, connecting passengers spend a night in London before continuing their journey to the other side of the Atlantic or to European or even UK destinations.

I think the above examples highlight the importance/requirement of red-eye flights especially from destinations that are 3-5 hours from the hubs of major airlines and is therefore difficult to catch a connection if the 1st flight leg is not in early morning.
 
[email protected]
Posts: 16616
Joined: Sat Jan 13, 2001 6:29 pm

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:37 am

Quoting CYatUK (Reply 41):
On the other hand, BA operate their LCA-LHR flight in the afternoon and with an arrival time in LHR after 19:00, connecting passengers spend a night in London before continuing their journey to the other side of the Atlantic or to European or even UK destinations.

I suspect, but could be wrong, that BA's traffic on LCA-LHR is overwhelmingly local traffic and not connecting elsewhere.
"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
 
User avatar
RyanairGuru
Posts: 8564
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:59 am

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:40 am

Quoting b741 (Reply 22):
I see CX293 HKG-FCO still exists. But I would think after a 13? hr. 5700 mile "redeye", the eyes would not be so red.

As mentioned above most Asia-Europe flights are overnight. And I actually find your eyes are quite "red". The flights often leave around midnight, meaning that I'm generally quite tired and fall asleep. I sleep for 7 or so hours and wake up when it is midnight at my destination. Therefore by the time you land you've already been awake for a long time and you didn't sleep particularly well anyway, meaning you feel like **** the next day!

Quoting qf002 (Reply 37):
I've only taken 2 flights in the last decade in/out of Australia than haven't been overnight

I hadn't thought of this until now, you're right! Other than short hops to New Zealand and Fiji, I've only ever flown overnight both to and from Australia, even to Asia.

Edit: I've remembered that in 2009 I flew BNE-NRT and it was a day-light flight. NRT-BNE was overnight.

Quoting tayser (Reply 30):
I implore you to try a London-Melbourne 24 hour flight via Singapore and at the end of the journey tell us all that you dont have red eyes

        

OK I've only flown from Europe to Brisbane, but the the point remains.

[Edited 2012-03-27 01:41:20]
Worked Hard, Flew Right
 
User avatar
RWA380
Posts: 5757
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:51 am

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:53 am

To answer the thread title properly, Aircraft Utilization. Most big carriers have different departure banks from their major hub/s. A redeye can maximize onward passengers for the early AM departures from said hub city.
707 717 720 727-1/2 737-1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 747-1/2/3/4 757-2/3 767-2/3/4 777-2/3 DC8 DC9 MD80/2/7/8 D10-1/3/4 M11 L10-1/2/5 A300/310/320
AA AC AQ AS BA BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HG HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN WP YS 8M
 
CYatUK
Posts: 388
Joined: Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:21 am

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:57 am

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 42):
I suspect, but could be wrong, that BA's traffic on LCA-LHR is overwhelmingly local traffic and not connecting elsewhere.

I don't know but I suspect that it could also be slot restrictions and utilization of "red-eye" slots for other higher yielding flights which cannot be operated at other times.
 
Rafabozzolla
Posts: 988
Joined: Sun Apr 30, 2000 1:27 pm

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:12 am

Many (but not all) Europe-Brazil flights are westbound redeyes. It makes for some really early arrivals in Brazil, especially during the northern summer when DST puts a 5-hour time zone difference between continental Europe and Brazil.

Flights from Portugal are normally dayflights due to shorter distances and secondary destinations in Brazil. Also the less prestigious routes (second bank for IB and AF and some Rio flights) also operate during the day, trading the fare premium commanded by redeyes for utilization. KL's only rotation to GRU is the odd man out of a long single flight operating to GRU exclusively as a dayflight.

All eastbound flights are redeyes.
 
Birdwatching
Posts: 3711
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2003 10:48 am

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:17 am

Does Ryanair or Easyjet have any overnight flights? They are the kings of aircraft utilization after all. Some of their long flights are 4+ hours, plus up to 2h time difference, gives you 6 hours which is almost a full night.

Soren   
All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
 
[email protected]
Posts: 16616
Joined: Sat Jan 13, 2001 6:29 pm

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:28 am

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 47):
Does Ryanair or Easyjet have any overnight flights?

Nope. EZY has some very early morning arrivals, e.g. flights that arrive, say, LGW 1am-3am, primarily from summer sun spots. E.g.: AGP-LGW: 2350-0140*; IBZ-LGW: 0110-0235; TFS-LGW: 2150-0205*.
"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
 
RickNRoll
Posts: 1869
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:30 am

RE: The Reasoning Behind Redeye Flights?

Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:55 am

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 7):
One of the many transcontinental Aussie red-eyes from Perth. We have overnight services on QF, DJ, TT and JQ to SYD, MEL, BNE, CNS and OOL.

Don't forget Darwin.

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos