Allegiant Doing Interviews For Hawaii Service

hiloboy1 · Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:21 pm

Just talked with a friend that was in the process of interviewing for FA positions on Allegiant; was told the flights would be HNL and OGG to LAX and LAS. Anyone else hear anything? Didn't get a timeline when the flying would strart.

hiflyeras · Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:40 pm

Makes sense....LAS is their HQ and biggest station. LAX is the biggest market to Hawaii from the West Coast.

EricR · Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:42 pm

Interesting.......many expected G4 to launch Hawaii flights from smaller cities on the mainland.

LAS is an interesting choice. Perhaps this signals the start of G4 finally offering connecting flight options.

dlramp4life · Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:52 pm

Did they get the ETOPS certification?

PHX787 · Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 3):
Did they get the ETOPS certification?

Would they use the apparently leased 757 on this route, or purchase more used craft (that are ETOPS certified)?

Quoting EricR (Reply 2):
Interesting.......many expected G4 to launch Hawaii flights from smaller cities on the mainland.

If this route is successful, we can possibly see them open up a line from AZA-HNL

dlramp4life · Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:23 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
Would they use the apparently leased 757 on this route, or purchase more used craft (that are ETOPS certified)?

G4 picked up some 757s from Thomas Air, they are not ETOPS certified, they have been working on this since they bought the 757s.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
If this route is successful, we can possibly see them open up a line from AZA-HNL

I think G4 AZA-HNL would be more successful than LAX-HNL...Because G4s network out of AZA is much bigger than LAX. Espcially during the winter months where the midwest flocks to Arizona for the winter. This flight would work and the only competition out of the PHX area to Hawaii is HA and US unlike LAX.

hiloboy1 · Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:42 pm

I was hoping for AZA-HNL, easier on my son going to ASU poly. Still keeping my fingers crossed.

Viscount724 · Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting EricR (Reply 2):
LAS is an interesting choice.

LAS used to be the #1 destination for visitors from Hawaii. Not sure if that's still the case. This NY Times article is 10 years old.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/27/us...s-vegas.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Excerpt:

Hawaiians make 300,000 trips here every year -- to transform Las Vegas into perhaps the most Hawaiian city on the mainland.

Las Vegas has long been Hawaiians' No. 1 travel destination, a vacation Mecca's vacation Mecca, thanks to casino-sponsored charter packages that make crossing the Pacific cheaper than hopping to a neighbor island, and a well-known Hawaiian passion for gambling.

This virtual Aloha State has its own radio programs, Web sites and even casino hotels, where plainclothes security men wear aloha shirts, and restaurants and gift shops cater to obscure Hawaiian tastes and traditions, like Spam for breakfast and, bafflingly, beef jerky for the folks back home.

Las Vegas is so Hawaiian that island high schools have their reunions here -- 40 this year at the California Hotel and Casino alone. This 800-room hotel, known to Hawaiians as ''the Cal,'' is one of a handful of hotels north of the Strip that cater almost exclusively to Hawaiians.

[Edited 2012-03-26 12:44:41]

EricR · Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:48 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
Quoting EricR (Reply 2):
LAS is an interesting choice.
LAS used to be the #1 destination for visitors from Hawaii. Not sure if that's still the case. This NY Times article is 10 years old.

Thanks! I did not realize this.

FATFlyer · Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:17 pm

Allegiant is interviewing for an HNL FA base. Also currently looking for a HNL Base Manager.

There are still discussions going on about HNL to smaller cities such as FAT and SCK.

Keep in mind they will have 5 or 6 757s operating by the end of this year.

hiloboy1 · Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:17 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):

It still is! That's why most of us are upset with our elected state officials, all that money/jobs could be here. But that's another topic.

boeing773er · Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:47 pm

Quoting hiloboy1 (Thread starter):

I'm a little bit surprised by LAX being one of the cities being discussed. Isn't the LAX-HNL market a little flooded? I just checked out expida for mid April and I counted 14 daily non-stop flights between the two cities. But I spouse there is always room for a little ULLC comp. on this route.

LAXintl · Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:17 pm

LAX might be a busy market, however it is after all the largest Mainland-Hawaii of all, and has for decades hosted second tier airlines such as ATA, World, etc... There will always be people looking for low fares and package holidays which Allegiant can successfully chase after.

aztrainer · Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:23 pm

I would also like to see G4 fly from AZA to HNL, OGG, or KOA and put direct competition against US. It is a proven commodity on a 757. This would be an interesting study as AZA could take some load away from US in the people that live in the far east part of Maricopa Country as well as Pinal County and eastern.

I also see the intelligence for the LAS choice as it is extremely popular for people of Hawai'i and is a hub.

ASFlyer · Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:01 pm

There is nothing on their website for any positions in HNL or anywhere else in Hawaii. Seems to me if they were interviewing for Hawaii based positions they would actually list it on the career section of their website. I don't even think they've been certified for ETOPS yet, so wouldn't this be putting the cart in front of the horse? Finally, would they actually announce or tell anyone where they were going to be flying to Hawaii From and where in Hawaii they'll be flying to? They haven't been very forthcoming with their Hawaii plans to this point and I doubt that they'd choose to reveal it to the general public via interviewees first. Just my thoughts.

FATFlyer · Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:12 pm

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 14):
There is nothing on their website for any positions in HNL or anywhere else in Hawaii. Seems to me if they were interviewing for Hawaii based positions they would actually list it on the career section of their website. I don't even think they've been certified for ETOPS yet, so wouldn't this be putting the cart in front of the horse? Finally, would they actually announce or tell anyone where they were going to be flying to Hawaii From and where in Hawaii they'll be flying to? They haven't been very forthcoming with their Hawaii plans to this point and I doubt that they'd choose to reveal it to the general public via interviewees first. Just my thoughts.

The HNL Base Manager position and a Maintenance shift supervisor for HNL are still listed at the G4 website.
https://www9.ultirecruit.com/ALL1015/jobboard/JobDetails.aspx?__ID=*2987B0955B8814C8
http://www.allegiantair.com/aaCareers.php

The FA positions were listed for the last couple of weeks but apparently they received plenty of apps and took it off the website. But you can see the FA listing here:
http://www.bestaviation.net/jobs/lis...ant-allegiant-air-hawaii-usa-3253/

They have been expecting a June launch to Hawaii for the last couple of months, that has been mentioned in several presentations and media articles. Given that the booking window is narrowing for June we will see if that actually happens.

[Edited 2012-03-26 15:16:51]

ASFlyer · Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:17 pm

Quoting FATflyer (Reply 15):
The HNL Base Manager position and a Maintenance shift supervisor for HNL are still listed at the G4 website.
http://www.allegiantair.com/aaCareers.php

The FA positions were listed for the last couple of weeks but apparently they received plenty of apps and took it off the website. But you can see the FA listing here:
http://www.bestaviation.net/jobs/lis...ant-allegiant-air-hawaii-usa-3253/

They have been expecting a June launch to Hawaii for the last couple of months, that has been mentioned in several presentations and media articles. Given that the booking window is narrowing for June we will see if that actually happens.

Thank you for that. I realized why I didn't see the Hawaii positions, I clicked on the double arrows which takes you from page 1 to the last page. I missed all the positions in between. Woops. Anyway, good to see that they're moving forward, though I still haven't heard that they're certified for ETOPS yet. Is that currently underway? Currently, Allegiant FA's don't overnight anywhere, except maybe on the occasional charter, I wonder if this will change with the Hawaii service. They could do Hawaii turns, though it would be an ugly day. The Pilots can't do them and would have to layover.

[Edited 2012-03-26 15:21:04]

FATFlyer · Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:20 pm

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 16):
Anyway, good to see that they're moving forward, though I still haven't heard that they're certified for ETOPS yet. Is that currently underway?

Close but not yet final.

dlramp4life · Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:20 pm

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 16):
I still haven't heard that they're certified for ETOPS yet. Is that currently underway?

Yeah, that is what I asked earlier...It seems that they might be jumping the gun if they do not have the ETOPS cerft. yet...Just my two cents

Context · Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:11 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 14):
Finally, would they actually announce or tell anyone where they were going to be flying to Hawaii From and where in Hawaii they'll be flying to? They haven't been very forthcoming with their Hawaii plans to this point and I doubt that they'd choose to reveal it to the general public via interviewees first.

I thought the same thing until, in a whimsy streak over a year ago, I interviewed for G4 and was very surprised at how "talkative" the HR manager about the company's future plans. They were happily touting that new hires would be cross-trained for 757 service and their was obvious suggestion about a route to Hawaii from that [ahem] Northwestern hub, relatively specific talk at that time.

We certainly play our cards closer to the chest in digital design...

abrelosojos · Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:18 am

I was at a conference where they mentioned a mid-June start. I thought it was ambitious, but we shall see ... I have respect for G4.

Saludos,
A.

slcdeltarumd11 · Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:30 am

It almost seems too late for them to be flying this summer to Hawaii.

Surely they have talked to the airport, what gate or gates will they use, what counter space? There has to be someone in HNL on has a friend who who works at the airport

ha763 · Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:42 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 21):
Surely they have talked to the airport, what gate or gates will they use, what counter space?

There is a lot of counter space available. With the DL/NW and UA/CO mergers, NW's and CO's former counters in Lobby 6 and 7 are empty. As for gates, HNL is tight during the midday rush, but since all gates in the Overseas Terminal are common use, ramp control can assign them to any open gate.

Counter space will likely come down on what happens with AA and the lobby renovations. I eventually see AA moving to Lobby 5, which is only JAL, after the renovations in Lobby 5 are completed. This would leave Lobby 7 empty. I really think some of the 12 airlines in Lobby 4 really need to move. AC, NZ, and ANA should move at least to Lobby 7 to be next to UA in Lobby 8.

As for gates, it will likely depend on who they get to handle their below wing operations and their schedule. If it is DL, you will see them in the gates DL is normally assigned. If any other company handles them, they will likely be all over the place, depending on the time. If they come in after the midday rush, they will likely be assigned gates in the same general area.

LV · Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:14 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
LAS used to be the #1 destination for visitors from Hawaii. Not sure if that's still the case. This NY Times article is 10 years old

I think it's still that way. Boyd Gaming still has Omni flying a 762 back and forth 2 or 3 times a week and of course HA has multiple flights a day to LAS. In fact, there was a cover story in Las Vegas Weekly a few weeks ago that referred to the California Hotel (the Cal) as "the 9th island". That was the headline, "The 9th Island". With the Plaza reopening and the El Cortez making a new push downtown I could see where G4 could do well selling Fremont Street packages to Hawaiians.

RWA380 · Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:32 am

Quoting EricR (Reply 2):
many expected G4 to launch Hawaii flights from smaller cities on the mainland.

LAS is an interesting choice. Perhaps this signals the start of G4 finally offering connecting flight options.

LAS was my first choice of destinations I mentioned threads earlier about this subject. Yeah, I was right about something.

Quoting FATflyer (Reply 9):
Allegiant is interviewing for an HNL FA base. Also currently looking for a HNL Base Manager.

There are still discussions going on about HNL to smaller cities such as FAT and SCK.

I have always thought the Hawaii services would be a HNL based operation, it makes sense with all the 757's based there. G4 doesn't have high utilization of their a/c I'd expect a 757 will do 1 r/t a day to the mainland, thus allowing G4 to provide service to multiple west coast destinations 2-3 times weekly. BLI, EUG, SCK, FAT, maybe even doing round robin services.

Quoting LV (Reply 23):
there was a cover story in Las Vegas Weekly a few weeks ago that referred to the California Hotel (the Cal) as "the 9th island". That was the headline, "The 9th Island". With the Plaza reopening and the El Cortez making a new push downtown I could see where G4 could do well selling Fremont Street packages to Hawaiians

When I lived in Hawaii, and worked as a travel agent, there was never a day we didn't get calls about "cheepest Vegas package ya got" Hawaiians are such a chill bunch to hang with, that the hotel doesn't matter, They seem to have fun no matter what the room is like, your never there anyway.

HNLPointShoot · Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:25 am

Quoting LV (Reply 23):
In fact, there was a cover story in Las Vegas Weekly a few weeks ago that referred to the California Hotel (the Cal) as "the 9th island". That was the headline, "The 9th Island".

Walking into the Cal for the first time was a mind-blowing experience because it is exactly what a casino would look like if one were built in Hawaii. They even have restaurants serving plate lunches!

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
LAS used to be the #1 destination for visitors from Hawaii. Not sure if that's still the case. This NY Times article is 10 years old.

I'd be surprised if that has changed since that article was published. That said, there are plenty of Filipino/Chinese/Japanese/Portuguese people who like Vegas just as much as the Hawaiians.*

(*: The New York Times article uses the word "Hawaiian" as a demonym for people from the state of Hawaii, while people who actually live here invariably use "Hawaiian" as an ethnonym for Native Hawaiians.)

stlgph · Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:42 pm

Quoting FATflyer (Reply 17):
Close but not yet final.

The announcements were supposed to come this month, but alas, that did not happen because of red tape.

doug_or · Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:03 pm

Would AZA-HI face performance restrictions? I was under the impression HP sometimes had problems with their 757s, and I assume G4 would have a higher density seating plan. Were HPs restrictions runway based (LIH, OGG), heat related (PHX in Aug), wind related (west bound), aircraft related (lower MGTW frames), a combination of all of the above, or a figment of my imagination?

FATFlyer · Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:29 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 26):
The announcements were supposed to come this month, but alas, that did not happen because of red tape.

There was previously optimistic hope by G4 of a February announcement but that passed, now this month is nearly over too.

The plan has been for a June start. But the booking window for that is narrowing.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 24):
thus allowing G4 to provide service to multiple west coast destinations 2-3 times weekly. BLI, EUG, SCK, FAT, maybe even doing round robin services.

With 5 or 6 aircraft potentially operating to Hawaii by December, it would be very easy to do those 4 cities plus several others on a 2 or 3 day per week schedule.

RWA380 · Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:24 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 28):
With 5 or 6 aircraft potentially operating to Hawaii by December, it would be very easy to do those 4 cities plus several others on a 2 or 3 day per week schedule.

Exactly what I've been thinking, I'm very surprised G4 would want to fly from LAX.

FATFlyer · Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:53 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 29):
Exactly what I've been thinking, I'm very surprised G4 would want to fly from LAX.

I'm not surprised that they would consider larger markets like LAX. I don't necessarily agree with that but I am not surprised.

But the shortening booking window for a June start means the marketing cost to get noticed before June in the Southern California media market would be high. They would need to make a big splash with ads and very low fares. Seems like it would be less expensive to do a June start in the second tier markets and then add larger markets at later start dates.

PHX787 · Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:25 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 30):
I'm not surprised that they would consider larger markets like LAX. I don't necessarily agree with that but I am not surprised.

They would probably be able to get a lot of o&d traffic out of LAX to Hawaii, especially when it comes to Asian families connecting.

I showed my Japanese friend with family in Hawaii this thread and told him about G4's prices, and he immediately said "Finally a route to Hawaii that Asian families would want to pay!"

For airlines these days, it's all about strategy.

FATFlyer · Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:53 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 31):
They would probably be able to get a lot of o&d traffic out of LAX to Hawaii, especially when it comes to Asian families connecting.

Selling seat-only tickets (especially connections to other airlines) is not the main strategy for G4. Their business plan is to sell vacation packages not seats. While all of their destination cities (like AZA) see some outbound traffic buying cheap seats, the company's main profits are from tourists buying packages (not just seats) from Allegiant Travel.

Low numbers of package sales is the reason why some G4 routes with good load factors get cancelled.

While selling some seat only tickets is OK to fill the aircraft, the more seat-only sales they get the fewer package (more profitable) seats they can sell. So timeshare owners and Asian flight connections are not likely to be markets they will strongly pursue.

One of the reasons Allegiant likes the idea of entering Hawaii is higher package ancillary revenue from longer hotel stays, rental cars, etc. The average Hawaii stay is about 8 days vs about 4 days for LAS (I believe Orlando is also about 4 or 5 days average stay).

PHX787 · Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:40 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 32):
Their business plan is to sell vacation packages not seats.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 32):
One of the reasons Allegiant likes the idea of entering Hawaii is higher package ancillary revenue from longer hotel stays, rental cars, etc.

You pretty much stated my point, when my friend's family comes in to LA from Hawaii, they need a hotel (since he lives in the dorms) and rental cars and everything, not just an airline ticket. I think that it's a great investment G4 is putting into LAX, really.

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