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Coffee [Strike]Air[/strike]AerLingus Safety Risk

Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:46 am

Before boarding, I generally grab a cup of coffee at the airport. On my recent first (and only) flight on Air Lingus from Heathrow to Cork, I grabbed a cup of coffee at LHR. The coffee was in it's usual paper-cup with lid.

About ten minutes later, I arrived at the gate agent. "Sir, I'm afraid you cannot bring your coffee onto the plane. Please finish or discard prior to boarding".

"Why?", I inquired.

"Aviation rules, Sir. Hot drinks are a safety risk on the aircraft".

Since it was early, and I wasn't really in the mood for debate, I plunked the coffee on the desk in-front of him, said "enjoy", and then boarded.

20 or so minutes into the flight, the flight attendant stops by with the service cart. "Would you like to purchase something to eat or drink?", she solicits.

"What do you have to drink?", I inquire, politely.

"Tea and coffee is 2 pound, coke and canned drinks are...".

I interrupt: "Is it iced coffee?"

"No, sir, it's normal hot filter coffee. Unfortunately we don't have iced coffee".

"Hot?", I ask. "I thought hot drinks are a safety risk".

"Excuse me?" she says

"Well, that's what the gate agent told me".

"Oh. Well we can't allow outside hot drinks on board. We have no control over those."

Of course, to me this is all just rampant commercialism and nickle and dimeing,

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RE: Coffee A Safety Risk On Air Lingus

Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:51 am

Quoting cygnuschicago (Thread starter):
Coffee A Safety Risk On Air Lingus

What about with Aer Lingus?  

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RE: Coffee A Safety Risk On Air Lingus

Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:56 am

I think a few airlines have a ban on hot drinks being taken onto the aircraft.

Presumably they dont want hot drinks on the ground when there could be a risk of rejected take off etc or with the force of take off it could be spilt more easily? Once airborne I presume it is not as much of a risk unless in mod/sev turbulence at which time hot drink service would be suspended anyway.
 
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RE: Coffee A Safety Risk On Air Lingus

Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:57 am

*Aer Lingus. Learn some Irish dammit!  

I've never heard of this "no-coffee to be brought onboard" policy before. Are LHR groundstaff employed by EI directly or are they outsourced?
 
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RE: Coffee A Safety Risk On Air Lingus

Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:00 am

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 3):
I've never heard of this "no-coffee to be brought onboard" policy before.

Happened to me when about to aboard AF (A380!) LHR-CDG. But I just did what I was told. No issue.
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RE: Coffee A Safety Risk On Air Lingus

Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:00 am

I have seen this plenty of times and not just on EI, in fact I assumed it was policy on all airlines? It makes sense to be honest; its difficult enough getting into you seat if your at a window without boiling hot coffee in your hand, then on take off, are you expected to hold the cup? I cannot really see the issue here? If you spill boiling water ion a fellow passenger, is that EI fault?
 
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RE: Coffee A Safety Risk On Air Lingus

Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:00 am

Quoting cygnuschicago (Thread starter):
Of course, to me this is all just rampant commercialism and nickle and dimeing,

I'm not surprised this happened, I've be asked before on Aer Lingus and British Airways to leave my coffee behind. I've also seen it happen to a number of people boarding Ryanair flights. It's easier to believe British Airways did it for safety reasons as their drinks are complementary so it's not like they're trying to make you buy it on board.

I think in all honesty it probably is a safety concern especially with low fares airlines where boarding can be a bit of a mess, passengers cramming the aisles, shoving large carry on bags in the overhead lockers while other passengers squeeze past with a hot drink in their hand is just asking for trouble. It's a an added bonus for Aer Lingus and other low fares airlines that stopping passengers bringing on hot drinks might result in a boost in on board sales.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 3):
I've never heard of this "no-coffee to be brought onboard" policy before. Are LHR groundstaff employed by EI directly or are they outsourced?

It is outsourced to Menzies, they don't even wear the Aer Lingus uniform but the lovely girls in the LHR Gold Circle lounge do.

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RE: Coffee A Safety Risk On Air Lingus

Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:04 am

Quoting cygnuschicago (Thread starter):
Of course, to me this is all just rampant commercialism and nickle and dimeing,

The main safety risk would occur during taxi and take off, a time when it should presumably fit under the seat in front of you or in the overhead locker.  

But how is it any different to not being allowed to consume your own wine or spirits? Most conditions of carriage that I have ever read state that you can only drink alcohol served to you by the cabin crew.
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RE: Coffee A Safety Risk On Air Lingus

Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:08 am

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 4):
Happened to me when about to aboard AF (A380!) LHR-CDG. But I just did what I was told. No issue.

Exactly, i would have done the same, i can't really see what the issue is on this subject, fussy passenger perhaps?
 
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RE: Coffee A Safety Risk On Air Lingus

Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:09 am

Makes sense to me. If there is a rejected takeoff, or, you are boarding and bump into somebody spilling your drink onto the lap of another person then yes, that person could get burned. Delaying the aircraft and causing problems.

I can see how you would think it's a bit unfair but, from a safety perspective, I think it's a sensible rule. Imagine you're sat in your seat and somebody walks by you, only to be nudged by another person lifting a bag resulting in the hot coffee splaying somebody, staining their clothes, seat, and burning.
 
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RE: Coffee A Safety Risk On Air Lingus

Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:14 am

I was told the same recently and the staff at the counter explained that its because it is really easy to spill during the boarding process and if its hot and burns some one the airline gets sued. If i poured the hot coffee in to an empty water bottle it may have been alright....

On a Continental airlines flight from Lima to EWR i was told I wasn't allowed to bring on water I had purchased after security.
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RE: Coffee A Safety Risk On Air Lingus

Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:41 am

Quoting irishbean (Reply 5):
I have seen this plenty of times and not just on EI, in fact I assumed it was policy on all airlines? If you spill boiling water ion a fellow passenger, is that EI fault?

Irishbean, if this is a safety risk, I would expect ALL airlines operating from that airport enforcing the rule, but I have not encountered this on any of LH, SAA, AA, UA, DL, KM, EK and others out of LHR.

In addition, if this was a safety risk, I would expect it to be in the Conditions of Carriagie on Aer Lingus. It is not.

Quoting anstar (Reply 2):
Presumably they dont want hot drinks on the ground when there could be a risk of rejected take off etc or with the force of take off it could be spilt more easily?

I can certainly see the risk in an RTO situation. However, to be frank, an RTO isn't going to occur within 30min of purchase time of the coffee at the VERY soonest. At this point in time the coffee won't be anymore, unless it was in a sealed thermos (in which case it won't spill).

I have many times had coffee spilled on me (either my own or the person next to me), during severe turbulence, due to the cheap open styrofoam cups served on the plane. I have never had coffee spilled on me during boarding, take-off or flight when the coffee came in a decent closed lid cup.

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Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:17 am

It happens a lot at many airports...
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:27 am

Roysh.....Many many moons ago I started working for Aer Lingus as ground staff. This rule at the time was in its early years (I believe it was introduced circa 1995 back when Aer Lingus was a full (fuller then full) service airline).

Basically it was introduced as a result of several incidents, one of them incredibly serious and involving a new born infant whereby passnegers with hot drinks were boarding and getting their drinks shuffled and knocked onto other passengers as a result of the general pushing around of people shoving their backs into lockers and climbing over people during boarding etc.

Sadly on one occasion an infant had a full cup of hot coffee belonging to someone else thrown all over them and resulted in serious permanent burns to the childs face. The family then sued, Aer Lingus was found to be the negligent one and boom....now you cant bring your hot drink into the cabin with you!

So when you think about it, I think its a great rule and one I unfortunately do not see enforced enough at my current carrier.

The irony is though, EI have no rule to halt tea and coffee service during turbulence for some reason! LOL!

PS...Shame you claim you will never fly EI again....they may not have all the bells and whistles but I still firmly believe they have the best cabin crew out there, especially the Cork base!
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RE: Coffee [Strike]Air[/strike]AerLingus Safety Risk

Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:47 am

Quoting tonystan (Reply 14):
So when you think about it, I think its a great rule and one I unfortunately do not see enforced enough at my current carrier.

Good to get the history. I remain curious though - what defines it as a rule, as it is simply not shown anywhere?

Quoting tonystan (Reply 14):

PS...Shame you claim you will never fly EI again....they may not have all the bells and whistles but I still firmly believe they have the best cabin crew out there, especially the Cork base!

I have no where said that I will never fly EI again. I simply stated this has been my only flight on EI. It's quite likely that I will fly EI again - currently business takes me a lot to Cork and Dublin, and while I will generally choose a Star Alliance flight, there will probably be times that I choose EI for schedule reasons.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:03 pm

Quoting cygnuschicago (Reply 16):
Gladly. Please show me the EI rule in their conditions of carriage that states pax may not bring hot drinks aboard. I'm waiting...

I appreciate you are probably not trying to sound pedantic but you kinda are. Do you read all the conditions of carraige each time you book a ticket?? There are a lot in there. I certainly dont. But when Im asked not to do something I will simply comply (unless its totally out of order). If the check in agent was to list all the rules you would never leave the check in desk!

But hey, now ya know and the balance of life may continue and no babies will get scolded.....except for the "special" ones that make a lunge for the tea and coffee pots!!!!!
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RE: Coffee [Strike]Air[/strike]AerLingus Safety Risk

Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:17 pm

It's health and safety. You're walking down the cabin with hot coffee while there's people faffing about putting bags in overhead lockers, lots of trip hazards, etc.

But as usual, the passenger knows more than the trained professionals doing the job that they do every single day.......

What ever happened to obedience? This is just childish.
 
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RE: Coffee [Strike]Air[/strike]AerLingus Safety Risk

Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:50 pm

Quoting irishbean (Reply 5):

Totally agree. People roaming around with hot cups of coffee everywhere is ridiculous. I saw a woman on the bus get coffee spilled on her the other day, when the bus had to stop abruptly. Last month, there was standing room only, and a guy trying to get to the back door squeezed by a lady, and managed to get coffee all down her back.
If someone on a plane, during crowded boarding, spilled coffee, guess who is going to get blamed? The person spilling the coffee - no, not likely! Somebody will sue the airline for having hot coffee spilled on them.
EI is 100% correct. Good for the agent who tried to enforce the rules. If you were the victim of having someone else spill coffee over you, what would your argument be then?
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RE: Coffee [Strike]Air[/strike]AerLingus Safety Risk

Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:03 pm

Quoting FoxRomeo (Reply 16):
But as usual, the passenger knows more than the trained professionals doing the job that they do every single day.......

What ever happened to obedience? This is just childish.

Totally agree and well said.
 
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RE: Coffee [Strike]Air[/strike]AerLingus Safety Risk

Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:08 pm

Quoting cygnuschicago (Reply 14):
I have no where said that I will never fly EI again. I simply stated this has been my only flight on EI. It's quite likely that I will fly EI again - currently business takes me a lot to Cork and Dublin, and while I will generally choose a Star Alliance flight, there will probably be times that I choose EI for schedule reasons.

Good luck getting to ORK on a STAR alliance flight!
I've had this happen to me on an FR flight, the ground staff said it was FR only. Admittedly I've never tried to board a flight other than this FR one with a coffee, so Im not sure what other airlines are like.
 
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RE: Coffee [Strike]Air[/strike]AerLingus Safety Risk

Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:20 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 15):
Do you read all the conditions of carraige each time you book a ticket?? There are a lot in there. I certainly dont.

Every-time I fly a new airline, for the first time, I read them. When I buy a camera, I read the warranty and service information. When I buy a sweater, I check the store's return policy before buying and read the wash instructions before washing.

With many airlines having their own rules, I think it is good to familiarize myself with what I am buying before buying it for the first time. I don't buy anything blindly.

Quoting AY104 (Reply 17):
EI is 100% correct. Good for the agent who tried to enforce the rules. If you were the victim of having someone else spill coffee over you, what would your argument be then?

1) I've often had coffee spilled on me on a flight. Everytime it was during turbulence and came from one of the cheap styrofoam cups. Everytime it was hot. Not once did I even consider suing anyone.

2) What rule did the agent enforce? As pointed out, I have yet to see this rule anywhere. Please point out the don't bring hot beverages onto the plane rule to me.

[Edited 2012-04-05 07:33:34]

Quoting tonystan (Reply 15):
But hey, now ya know and the balance of life may continue and no babies will get scolded.....except for the "special" ones that make a lunge for the tea and coffee pots!!!!!

Oh, don't worry, babies won't get scalded. There is another thread running where the mob has decreed children unsuitable for planes.

What's next? Will I not be allowed to board wearing a skirt shorter than the knee? Oh, wait, that's already happening...


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Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:57 pm

Quoting cygnuschicago (Reply 20):
What rule did the agent enforce? As pointed out, I have yet to see this rule anywhere. Please point out the don't bring hot beverages onto the plane rule to me.

But really...does it need to be printed out and spoon fed to you? You could have stayed at the gate and drank it. Thats what most people did back in my day. There was never a problem unless the flight was literally moments from closing in which case you shouldnt have been wasting time by waiting in line at starbucks anyway!

lets face it, you need to wear clothes to travel on an airline. Im pretty sure there is no exact rule written anywhere but Id still love to see you try (well I dont really want to see but you know what I mean) board a flight naked!

Why not Email Aer Lingus customer relations (another departement I used to work in) and see what the lovely people respond back with.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:11 pm

It's just an aviation rule full stop, nothing to do with airlines. Makes sense to me. I don't want to be sat there waiting for the other passengers to board with boiling hot drinks in their hands. Chances are one of the idiots will spill it. I don't understand why people have an issue with this rule.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:00 pm

At Easyjet if you bring your hot drink onboard then it must have a lid and the lid must be kept on. I really don't think it is to make more coffee sales in EI's case. Lets not be juvenile. Such a measure if likely to piss the pax off and have the opposite effect.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:30 pm

Not sure what's going on over in Europe, but my dad brought a coffee on board a DL flight out of CVG the other day. Wonder what the rationale might be.

Quoting cygnuschicago (Thread starter):
Hot drinks are a safety risk on the aircraft".

Wonder what sort of "safety"
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:26 pm

Quoting cygnuschicago (Thread starter):

I interrupt: "Is it iced coffee?"

Clever!!   I see what you did there...
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RE: Coffee [Strike]Air[/strike]AerLingus Safety Risk

Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:03 pm

Quoting metalinyoni (Reply 10):
On a Continental airlines flight from Lima to EWR i was told I wasn't allowed to bring on water I had purchased after security.

That is LIM airport issue. Not CO´s fault. Every flight leaving from LIM to the US gets an extra hand check at the gate. My Inca cola from the Lounge suffered the same as your water  
Quoting cygnuschicago (Reply 11):
In addition, if this was a safety risk, I would expect it to be in the Conditions of Carriagie on Aer Lingus. It is not.

If its such a safety risk, I would expect it to be in the conditions of carriage. If its not there, then the airline should not enforce it. My opinion.

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Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:13 pm

EI have had this rule for years now . Drink up before you board at the gate . I understand it annoys some people but I have to agree with the airline rules. Ive seen the accidents myself . Ive seen a guy trying to put his carry on in the overhead locker and coffee in the other hand ! I think you can guess what happened next .
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:23 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 6):
I'm not surprised this happened, I've be asked before on Aer Lingus and British Airways to leave my coffee behind.

I'm not surprised either. It happend to me upon boarding an EI A330 for a flight from DUB-IAD back before the route ended. Caught me off guard, but drank it up quick and boarded.
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RE: Coffee [Strike]Air[/strike]AerLingus Safety Risk

Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:42 pm

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 23):
It's just an aviation rule full stop, nothing to do with airlines.

If it's an aviation rule, I would expect:

1) All airlines to comply with it. Out of LHR, I have only experienced this with EI. I have brought coffee onto American, United, Delta, Emirates, SAA, Air Malta, Lufthansa and many others, and never has this been mentioned
2) The rule to be codified by the relevant authority

Since neither of these applies, it seems to be a local EI rule. However, as mentioned by Checo:

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 28):
If its such a safety risk, I would expect it to be in the conditions of carriage. If its not there, then the airline should not enforce it. My opinion.
Quoting OA260 (Reply 29):
EI have had this rule for years now . Drink up before you board at the gate . I understand it annoys some people but I have to agree with the airline rules.

Aviation is tightly governed. There is not much evidence for detrimental effects of, say, leaving your cellphone on during take-off, but it is a rule, and therefore captured in the relevant authorities codes. Same with bag sizes, etc. Having a "safety rule", which is not codified makes no sense.

Quoting tonystan (Reply 21):
lets face it, you need to wear clothes to travel on an airline. Im pretty sure there is no exact rule written anywhere but Id still love to see you try (well I dont really want to see but you know what I mean) board a flight naked!

Not sure how that is relevant to the discussion. Nudity is covered by national legislation. In most countries, it is illegal to be naked in public. An airport terminal will count as a public place.

With a 30 sec google search I am sure I will be able to quote rules prohibiting public nudity in airport terminals for most countries.

So where is the EI rule of no drinks? I realize there is an opinion that this is pedantic. However, when an airline puts out "verbal rules", they leave it to the interpretation of their employees or contractors. That is never a good situation as it leads to inconsistent communication, inconsistent expectations, and, eventually, as we have seen with SouthWest in the US ridiculous situations like folks getting kicked off planes for what they are wearing.

I was nothing but extremely courteous to the EI staff, including the gate agent, as can be seen from my near-verbatim transcript. All I expect, is that if it truly is a rule, then they codify it so passengers are informed before the time. Else, as I mentioned, it simply looks like nickle and diming.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:57 pm

This is policy on Flybe as well. There are 2 reasons for this:

1 - The cabin crew who are stood in the doorway checking boarding passes are constantly being asked to hold passenger's drinks while they put their stuff away and get seated. They have more important things to do like prepare the cabin for departure than stand there with about 3 or 4 cups.

2 - Obvious reason, passengers could spill them onto other passengers.

It is purely a safety reason.
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:27 pm

As we are getting more into the safety side of the debate.......to add to my previous comment regarding Easyjet where you can bring on a hot drink if it has a lid, you should see the checklist crew have for serving hot drinks.

Place it on a firm surface
Place lid on tightly
Place on pax tray
Inform pax that contents are hot.

Why? Because from past experience of passengers being burnt. It is clearly a safety reg. And with regards to the dialogue used by the OP to the crew..............it did come across like you were being a sarcastic arsehole. Sorry if that wasn't your intention.
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RE: Coffee [Strike]Air[/strike]AerLingus Safety Risk

Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:40 pm

I fail to see the issue here. You've been informed by a former EI staffer why this rule is in place.

You've been informed by crew of other carriers that they have similar rules and they are for safety reasons.

You'll also know that coffee and tea served on board is generally less hot than usual, also for a safety reason. The same cant be said of beverages served in the airport, so there's another reason for not allowing them onboard.

Cant you just accept that you were wrong in thinking it was nickle and diming?

Is it such a massive imposition to drink up your coffee before boarding?? Do you really need it printed on your ticket??
 
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:19 pm

Quoting cygnuschicago (Reply 31):
All I expect, is that if it truly is a rule, then they codify it so passengers are informed before the time. Else, as I mentioned, it simply looks like nickle and diming

Did you pack your bag yourself?
Could anyone have interfered with your luggage?
Are you aware of the entire contents of your luggage?
Window or aisle?
Are you aware that you are not allowed bring hot drinks beyond the boarding gate?

Come on, thats just mad!

I dont think you are wrong to question the rule or indeed to query it here. It is a "peculiarity" I suppose. But you have been given a very logical explanation. To bang on that it should be spelt out for you is just unfair. There are a LOT of rules that airline staff have that encompass stuff passengers may do which are not included in the conditions of carraige. For example at my airline people are not allowed to sleep on the floors between the seats or at bulkheads. Its not written down anywhere for the passenger to refer to but its written in our own manuals. This is also written in the aer Lingus cabin crew manuals about the hot drinks. What is mentioned in the conditions of carraige I am sure with all airlines is that you are requested to abide by any safety and security directions requested of you by the airline.

Those manuals that the crew (and many ground staff) follow are thousands of pages thick. They encompass ALL eventualities. They are NOT printed in small print on the back of a boarding pass or eticket email.

You where asked (im sure politely but if its from the short dumpy one at Menzies in Heathrow then perhaps it was barked at you...iv been on the wrong side of that yoke several times myself) by the ground staff not to bring it onboard....you could have just finished it at the gate while you waited for the last of the passengers to board, im sure they wouldnt have given you grief for it (again im not including the same dumpy one) and boom, everyones happy!

[Edited 2012-04-05 16:26:39]

[Edited 2012-04-05 16:28:48]
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ei2ksea
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RE: Coffee [Strike]Air[/strike]AerLingus Safety Risk

Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:46 am

Quoting cygnuschicago (Reply 11):
In addition, if this was a safety risk, I would expect it to be in the Conditions of Carriagie on Aer Lingus. It is not.
Quoting cygnuschicago (Reply 20):
Every-time I fly a new airline, for the first time, I read them.

The following items in the Aer Lingus Conditions of Carriage would cover this 'incident' so perhaps it wasn't picked up on when you previously read them prior to booking/flying.

Viewing the hot coffee as either an extension of whats referred to as "you" or classified as "baggage" is worthy of much further debate I'm sure. Regardless, given that refusal to abandon the coffee would likely have led to denied boarding, it certainly falls within the remit of the 'Refusal and Limitation of Carriage' section in Aer Lingus' conditions of carriage.


ARTICLE 7 - REFUSAL AND LIMITATION OF CARRIAGE

....We may also refuse to carry you or your Baggage if one or more of the following have occurred or we reasonably believe may occur:

7.1.2
the carriage of you or your Baggage may endanger or affect the safety, health, or materially affect the comfort of other passengers or crew;
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ScottishDavie
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RE: Coffee [Strike]Air[/strike]AerLingus Safety Risk

Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:04 am

Considering the chaos which normally reigns during boarding, especially on LCCs, disallowing hot liquids seems entirely sensible. I've been hit on the head by other people's backpacks, had my feet trampled on, seen idiotic passengers paralyse the boarding while faffing around in overhead lockers and all the rest of it and that's without the presence of cups of scalding liquid. Do I want hot coffee spilled on me while some clown is trying to cram too much stuff into the overhead locker? No thank you. Whatever the reason for the rule, whether it's safety or commercialism, I really don't care. The rule itself gets my vote.
 
bwaflyer
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RE: Coffee [Strike]Air[/strike]AerLingus Safety Risk

Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:27 am

Alternatively you could for the next few weeks / months fly to Dublin with bmi. As long as you're a grown up and manage to hold your coffee, then welcome aboard. We even have take out coffee cups in our lounges for you to take a cup of coffee with you for the flight.
 
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RE: Coffee [Strike]Air[/strike]AerLingus Safety Risk

Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:22 pm

Quoting bwaflyer (Reply 37):
Alternatively you could for the next few weeks / months fly to Dublin with bmi.

Alas BMI cease to be Star on the 18th April!!!! So think that pretty much leaves Lufty, Sas, Air Canada, Turkish, United and US Airways as Star providers....still not bad I suppose!

Better linked then Oneworld now!
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