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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:45 am

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 48):
One question, what's wrong with taking off from the other side of the runway i.e R 28 instead?

It is always best to take off into the wind Joya.



The Aircraft will use less runway and be able to carry more payload when using a headwind.


Most likely that was the case here.
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:53 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 17):
All I can say is check out 00:44
Quoting n6238p (Reply 5):
wet dream, mine came running to help at the end of the video

C'mon guys, in Europe this kind of bathing slip is common, and on our scale the chick would be in the middle range, no big reason to turn the head around.
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:00 am

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 46):

Agree, if he intentionally blasted those people. But...

It certainly looks like it

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 46):

Using a blast pad (clearly unauthorized) seems like a foolhardy thing to do if you're just showing off. Especially on the most video'd runway on Earth.

Yes, and I hope he pays the price for it.

Quoting B2468 (Reply 47):



How hot is the jet blast coming out of those engines? I figure it can't be too hot, since the folks "riding the fence" don't seem to get burned, but what kinds of temps are we talking about here?

The exhaust gas temperature can be over 700 degrees c.



However, most of the jet blast comes from the bypass section which will be pretty close to ambient temperature.
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:02 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 49):
By this irresponsible, unauthorized and illegal action he maximised the effect of the jet efflux and potential injury to people on the beach.

There are a number of notices on the beach which warn people about jet blasts. Yet some fools like that girl do silly things just for the thrill of it.

You suffer if you don't use your brains, sad but true. and that's what happened to that girl.

[Edited 2012-04-09 04:05:21]
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:17 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 49):
It doesn't matter.


It is prohibited to operate any Aircraft in that area.


It is not usable runway for performance planning.

I understand all that, and I think that pilots who can't follow simple blast pad rules probably have no place in a JetBlue cockpit when there are so many other qualified people who would kill to have that job.

All I'm saying is that I think doing something dumb and hurting a bystander in a misguided attempt to offer more safety to the pax on the plane is different from hurting someone because you're showing off. In my mind there's a difference between being a shitty pilot and being a shitty human being  
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:20 am

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 53):

There are a number of notices on the beach which warn people about jet blasts. Yet some fools like that girl do silly things just for the thrill of it.

These notices are based on the operating crews and aircraft obeying the mandated operating procedures.


If the airport authorities routinely allowed aircraft to taxi that close to the end of the runway they would have to close the area of the beach behind it.


This is not a question of 'she took her chances' this was an innocent spectator injured by an irresponsible Pilot deliberately breaking regulations.
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:20 am

I dont feel bad for her. Do something stupid and pay for it. Now lets see if ahe tries to sue....
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:23 am

To reiterate:




It is prohibited to operate any Aircraft in that area.


It is not usable runway for performance planning.


He illegally taxied on to this area placing the tail of the Aircraft much, much closer to the adjacent beach than airport authorities allow and applied take off thrust while static.


By this irresponsible, unauthorized and illegal action he maximised the effect of the jet efflux and potential injury to people on the beach.


As a result, an innocent spectator was badly hurt, it is fortunate no one was killed.
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:27 am

It seems that the the co-pilot waves to the people on the beach as they taxi the aircraft into position.
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:46 am

What next?...she now sues the airline?...   
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:56 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 49):
It doesn't matter.

It is prohibited to operate any Aircraft in that area.

It is not usable runway for performance planning.

He illegally taxied on to this area placing the tail of the Aircraft much, much closer to the adjacent beach than airport authorities allow and applied take off thrust while static.

By this irresponsible, unauthorized and illegal action he maximised the effect of the jet efflux and potential injury to people on the beach.

As a result, an innocent spectator was badly hurt, it is fortunate no one was killed.

Agreed 100%.

I find the lack of sympathy here appalling. Granted that people should heed the warning signs posted, however it's easy to see that someone unfamiliar with aircraft and the danger of jet blast can pose could decide to "join in on the fun" after seeing other folks successfully do it repeatedly.
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:47 pm

Checked google maps for the birds eye view of the area in question. They definitely went out of their way to position the plane there.

I agree with Max Q with one addition and one exception. Two people occupy the flight deck, they both have responsibility in the way the plane is operated. The "innocent" bystander is not innocent of anything. She elected to disregard signs warning of the hazards of standing there, and so should accept responsibility for her own actions. I do however hope she recovers fully from her injuries.

Has anybody read anything in the media about Jet Blue's possible culpability in this incident, or has it only been pointed out here?

[Edited 2012-04-09 05:51:07]
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:20 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 52):
The exhaust gas temperature can be over 700 degrees c.
However, most of the jet blast comes from the bypass section which will be pretty close to ambient temperature.

Thanks. I thought the jet blast was much hotter and I have always wondered about the danger of engine heat in places like the beach near SXM.
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:54 pm

As it tends to happen people form up in "teams": one accusing the pilot of being reckless, the other accusing the girl of being an idiot. IMO it is as simple as saying that two wrongs don't make a right... in this case two wrongs almost made a tragedy.

If indeed the pilot just wanted to put on a show, how about saying that they were both idiots? I feel sorry for her but she was not strictly an innocent spectator. She took a huge risk and paid a high price (how high I don't know). The pilot is supposed to be a professional and should have never taken a chance like that for fun. Even if operationally he needed all the runway available and had to set TO thrust before releasing the brakes, as Max Q correctly points out his position was illegal.
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:17 pm

I've been watching the video closely...did the pilots take off from the displaced threshold, or from the blast pad? RWY 10 has a short displaced threshold, but a larger blast pad, and it almost looks like the pilots are on the blast pad when they begin their take off (then again, the video does not really detail the location of the aircraft...I could just be seeing it incorrectly).

I thought all aircraft movements were prohibited on the blast pad (usually marked by chevrons) except in emergency, and aircraft movements except landing were allowed on the displaced threshold (usually marked by arrows).

The tail of the plane seems to be just about a meter or so away from the fence. Would the A320's landing gear have been on the blast pad? Could the A320 even taxi on to the blast pad given the geometry of the paved areas at the end of the runway and the plane's turning radius?
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:18 pm

I know Google Maps might be a bit out of date, but take a look at this sat. photo of the runway.

http://g.co/maps/pgszj

There is, in fact, a displaced threshold, but it is very short (the two white arrows between the yellow chevrons and the runway threshold marking). The area further from the runway with the yellow chevrons is, like many have said, a blast pad which is not supposed to be used for anything (taxi, takeoff, landing). You can even see that it is outside the yellow taxiway edge markings.

Granted, I don't know if this Google image is up-to-date, but after seeing this picture and reviewing that video again, it is very clear that the JetBlue pilot was clearly in an area he was not supposed to be. I wonder if that video is going to get in the hands of the FAA or JetBlue?
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:36 pm

Folks, that ac is MUCH closer to the fence than any other I've witnessed in all my years of visiting SXM.

And as others have posted, the PIC went full T/O throttle while on the brake, again, something I have not witnessed at SXM before.

I think both parties are at fault here. The girl for not complying with the warning signs and the PIC for his actions.

[Edited 2012-04-09 08:18:17]
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:39 pm

Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 65):
I know Google Maps might be a bit out of date, but take a look at this sat. photo of the runway.

That's pretty current as the new Caravanserai is there.
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:45 pm

Quoting brianw999 (Reply 43):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 6):
Not saying she deserved it but she should've read the signs... Hope she recovered...

She deserved everything she got....and more. Yes, I hope she recovered... but with a suitable level of scarring to remind her of her stupidity ....... it is this very kind of stupidity that will get the beach and road closed or a huge blast shield erected thus spoiling the airport photography for those whose brain cells are actually connected and functioning.

One thing I don't feel for her is one single iota of sympathy.

I highly recommend you read my post next time... "she should've read the signs"!

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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:58 pm

There should be a sign that says "If you insist, do NOT let go."
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:06 pm

Can ATC authorize the use of the blast pad if needed?
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:07 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 24):
to hurt someone just to put on a show is unforgivable.

Your sentence is out of order. I believe you mean to say: "To taxi, run up and t/o from there '...just to put on a show is unforgivable.' It's no surprise someone was hurt."

Your statement implies INTENT to harm; which I don't believe the CA intended. I'm sure it was intended to be a show, but not that injury was the expected "entertainment."
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:13 pm

Talking about the blast pad reminded me of these pics and thread:


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Is This A Problem (SXM Landing Situation) (by SuseJ772 Jul 20 2006 in Tech Ops)

So he turned RIGHT from the taxiway and then made a u-turn on the blast pad?
Looks like he had to and that would be totally idiotic.


Also posted here:

http://airnation.net/2012/04/08/jetb...st-injures-woman-st-maarten-video/
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:17 pm

When the pilot started his take off, it would not have mattered if he had been 50 feet further away from her. She was still going to get hammered.
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:18 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 45):
This woman was badly hurt simply because she wanted to watch an Aircraft close up, she was injured because this idiotic Pilot positioned his Aircraft hundreds of feet closer to her location than authorized , in fact operation of the Aircraft was prohibited in this area, he aggravated the problem by needlessly holding power against the brakes.

Nothing you or anyone else says will change the fact that she's an idiot who ignored clear warning signs informing them of this danger and is responsible for her own injury and no one else. Just because it's 2012 doesn't mean natural selection should stop.
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:32 pm

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 72):
So he turned RIGHT from the taxiway and then made a u-turn on the blast pad?
Looks like he had to and that would be totally idiotic.

Looking at the maps, and looking at the Jepp charts, that is what I cant get my head around. I can't see how you can manoeuvre an A320 from the taxiway to the runway in such a way that your mains would would not still be outside of the yellow chevrons.

Minimum turning radius for an A320 is about a 100 feet, a pretty tight manoeuvre indeed. By my calculations, even if he did turn right from the taxiway, then spun the aircraft around, he would still be about 100 feet from as close as he'd let his nose get to the end. Which would bring him off the yellow chevrons.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 45):
he aggravated the problem by needlessly holding power against the brakes.

There are a lot of reasons to hold power against the brakes. None of them needless, totally within SOP, and ... if he thought runway distance, or terrain clearance were an issue (having operated into SXM, trust me, both are) then a static take-off is well within operating guidelines.

Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 74):
Nothing you or anyone else says will change the fact that she's an idiot who ignored clear warning signs informing them of this danger and is responsible for her own injury and no one else. Just because it's 2012 doesn't mean natural selection should stop.

Just about says it all, in my opinion.
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:49 pm

St. Maarten news says that the guy who was blown back before the girl broke his leg when he went over the lane barrier, however they did not state the extent of head and neck trauma to the girl. It also says both were French tourists, while bloggers say they are island residents. Has anyone else located further information on her injuries?
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:58 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 57):
As a result, an innocent spectator was badly hurt, it is fortunate no one was killed.

I have one problem with your argument. The girl was not an innocent spectator.
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 40):
The pilot disobeing the proper procedures is one thing, but noone forced the girl (at least I think that's safe to assume) to stand there. It's her own fault and noone but herself should be blamed for this.

In your opinion, how much further off an authorized taxiway or runway could the pilot move the aircraft before he or she should receive even an iota of shared responsibilty?
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:16 pm

The only thing I can think of is that there is a special NOTAM in in the AFD at SXM that allows pilots to use the Blast Pad. AT KCWS in Conway, AR we have a very very long displayed threshold, but there is a NOTAM that authorizes the use of the DT at night for landings. Anyone have a copy of the AFD for SXM to look? I have never heard of that being authorized for the Blast Pad, but who knows. One in a million.
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:16 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 17):
All I can say is check out 00:44
Quoting FN1001 (Reply 51):
C'mon guys, in Europe this kind of bathing slip is common, and on our scale the chick would be in the middle range, no big reason to turn the head around.

Yes, Bikinis are common all over the world, Europe doesn't own the rights to bikinis or hot women.... judging from the low resolution, she is pretty hot, sorry she doesn't meet your exceptional qualifications, but I think most people would think she looks pretty damn good and definately worth a replay at 00:10 and 00:44...

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 32):
The fact is that the young lady let go, turned and ran without watching her step.



I don't think that was running, that was moving her legs trying to stay upright as she was being blown back...

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 32):
Mind you, I am not saying that she deserved her injuries but she does, at least, share a large bit of the responsibility.

Agree with you there. People do dumb things all of the time, we all have, often it is because we do not really understand the full consequences of our actions, even if there are warning signs. Doesn't mean that she DESERVES her injuries, best wishes to her. I ran with the bulls in Pamplona in 1991 and then watched it the next day. If I have watched it first the first day, I never would have ran.

That said, from what I have learned on this thread, the pilot also bears some responsibility. At 00:05 the pilot waved or gestured to the people on the beach from the window. He knew they were there and his action could even be considered encouraging of people to brave the jet blast.

Side note, wouldn't the cabin be pressurized at that point? That cockpit window was clearly open when he waved. Could he close the window and pressurize the cabin that quick before take off?
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:18 pm

Anyone else predict this will be on Tosh.O soon ?
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:32 pm

Quoting lapa_saab340 (Reply 60):
I find the lack of sympathy here appalling.

As do I. People make bad decisions all the time, comments like "they deserved what they got" and so on say a lot more about the commentators than about the person who made that bad decision.
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:36 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 81):
Could he close the window and pressurize the cabin that quick before take off?

Yes.

I am no expert on A320s, but I do have some experience flying pressurized aircraft.

There is a bit of a misconception that "pressurizing" an aircraft is something that happens instantaneously and before you take off.

While on the ground, a pressurized aircraft rarely has higher pressure inside the cabin than out. In fact, in many cases, the moment the aircraft leaves the ground, the pressure inside the cabin is actually falling relative to sea level, but it is not falling as rapidly as the outside air pressure as the aircraft climbs, hence, relative to the outside air pressure, the aircraft is "pressurizing" as it climbs. With your typical airliner being pressurized to 8,000 ft cabin altitude while cruising at say 35,000 ft, that means that ideally the cabin altitude will climb 8,000 ft (meaning the pressure relative to sea level is actually dropping) in the same time the aircraft is climbing to 35,000 ft. assuming you started at sea level.

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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:39 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 81):
Side note, wouldn't the cabin be pressurized at that point? That cockpit window was clearly open when he waved. Could he close the window and pressurize the cabin that quick before take off?

I'm not any kind of expert, but I believe that pressurization doesn't matter until the aircraft climbs above the programmed/designed "cabin altitude" (something like 8000 feet?). In other words, since the pressure inside the aircraft is already greater than what the system would be trying to maintain, the ventilation outflow valves would be open and pressure inside=pressure outside.

Once above the desired cabin altitude, the outflow valves would be closed and the incoming bleed air powered ventilation would 'pressurize' the interior.

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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:43 pm

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 85):

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but that is how I understand it.


You've got the right idea.

In order to have a slower, more controlled pressure change inside the cabin, pressurization usually starts happening immediately upon takeoff. As I mentioned in Reply 84, think of the cabin climbing at maybe 500 ft/min while the aircraft is climbing at 1,000 or more. Otherwise, for the first 8,000 ft, the cabin pressure would be changing just as rapidly as the aircraft was climbing, which can cause discomfort.

It's not so much the altitude the aircraft is at as the pressure differential (pressure difference between inside and outside). Every aircraft pressure vessel is designed to handle so much pressure. Technically, the the pressurization system could keep the cabin pressure at sea level all the way up to the point where the pressure differential reaches the aircraft's maximum. I don't remember exactly all the numbers, but I don't believe that's the same as the cabin altitude. Again, in theory, the aircraft could climb thousands of feet and still have a cabin pressure of sea level, but they won't do that because once it hit it's maximum pressure differential, there would be a drastic change in the cabin, and it would have to "climb" at the same rate as the aircraft.

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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:55 pm

Funny how everybody is nailing the pilot to the cross.

I'm not making excuses for him, but is there one other pilot here who can honestly say that he has never had a slip of judgement, or just did something plain stupid without realizing how dangerous it could've been???

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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:56 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 18):
What a dummy.

I've stood on that exact same fence behind every type of big jet down there, it's really not that difficult to hold on. That's the thing though, if you're going to try it, you have to HOLD ON and commit, not let go when some sand hits you.

Zero sympathy for her. There's a sign every 10 feet that says "extreme bodily injury or death can occur." If you're gunna try it, be ready for what's in store and hold on at all costs.

I completely agree on all counts.

I have been one of these "idiots" and it really isnt too much to hold on tight for a few seconds. Most people affected by the jet blast on Maho Beach aren't getting blown away, they're running away from the sand blasting. I can vouch for that too, it hurts! But on the fence is on the fence, you hold on and it's all over in 15-20 seconds when the blast has dissipated.

Quoting jetpilot (Reply 22):
The Jetblue captain decided to use the displaced threshold to take off from which according to regs is not to be used for takeoffs and landings. He also went to TO power while still holding the brakes which is not SOP. He did it to give the people a show. If he had taken off from the end of the runway like he should have the jet blast would have been much less severe and she probably would have been able to keep her footing.

I was going to say that I don't recall seeing an aircraft being THIS close to the fence on takeoff but I was unaware it was against the rules and regulations. Most aircraft seem to hold from a point about one airplane length ahead of this aircraft's position.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 16):
One other point - those engines are what, like 20,000 pounds of thrust each? Imagine if a 777 was taking off what it would be like!

I've not seen a B777 takeoff from Maho firsthand but I can tell you that I found the best (meaning 'strongest') jet blast came from the Ansel Air Mad Dogs... those jets hang pretty close to the fence! I found this to be even better than KLM's 747s and AF's A343s! However, this B6 A320 seems to be on the very end of the runway, so that probably makes a big difference - going to JFK with 150 passengers means that is one loaded A320!
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:59 pm

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 82):
...say a lot more about the commentators than about the person who made that bad decision.

Like what? That we're not idiots and have no sympathy for those who blatantly ignore severe warnings?
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:05 pm

Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 89):
Like what? That we're not idiots and have no sympathy for those who blatantly ignore severe warnings?

Let's just not get personal. I have already said all that I had to say about the callous comments.
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:06 pm

Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 89):

Qouted the wrong person, but I completely agree with you.
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:20 pm

Quoting jetpilot (Reply 22):
The Jetblue captain decided to use the displaced threshold to take off from which according to regs is not to be used for takeoffs and landings. He also went to TO power while still holding the brakes which is not SOP. He did it to give the people a show. If he had taken off from the end of the runway like he should have the jet blast would have been much less severe and she probably would have been able to keep her footing.
Quoting Max Q (Reply 24):
Agree, that was very irresponsible, to hurt someone just to put on a show is unforgivable.

Actually displaced thresholds are allowable for takeoff, you are referring to the blast pad

You should see what Insel Air does... they taxi ALL the way down the blast bad, with just enough room to turn and have the wingtip clear the fence... they held it for about 30+seconds at TO power. Blew a guy with a backpack and camera into the water.
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:29 pm

No-one commented about the man who was protecting her at the fence to begin with, but then let go. That could be why...it looks like she couldn't hold anymore.

[Edited 2012-04-09 10:30:46]
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:33 pm

Ouch... Thai must have hurt... Bit it sure was dumb... Hope she recovered fast.
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:54 pm

Quoting golftango (Reply 66):
Folks, that ac is MUCH closer to the fence than any other I've witnessed in all my years of visiting SXM.

If I was going to do the fence I would start out with smaller biz jets and prop planes and go gradually to bigger ones and see how long I will last. Doing a big jet right at first try is very risky and even dangerous especially with that concrete wall.

     
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:11 pm

Quoting SAAFNAV (Reply 87):
Funny how everybody is nailing the pilot to the cross.

I'm not making excuses for him, but is there one other pilot here who can honestly say that he has never had a slip of judgement, or just did something plain stupid without realizing how dangerous it could've been???

I don't mean to sound rude, but he broke regulations doing what he did anyway. Plus in that line of work, you can't afford to let your judgement slip and do anything that would be classed as plain stupid.

The girl is also very much at fault for ignoring the warnings posted, but so many people do it all the time so I guess she can be excused for trying it at least. Also some of us on here may have known to get out of dodge when we realised how close the aircraft actually was, but I suspect she didn't.
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:34 pm

Quoting LV (Reply 7):
That was only an A320... imagine if it had been a 747

I've been there for both and the A320 seems worse. I wonder if it because the 747 has the wake spread over 4 engines, although they have cumulatively more thrust.
 
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:48 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 97):
I've been there for both and the A320 seems worse. I wonder if it because the 747 has the wake spread over 4 engines, although they have cumulatively more thrust.

I agree with the previous poster that the Insel Air MD80s are among the worst (mostly because of them taxiing down and doing a short field takeoff). The 4-engine birds arent as bad as you'd think.

Worst I have ever see there betweem 3 trips was the private russian 763 nicknamed "Bandit" He sat on the brakes for the better part of a minute at TOGA. There a grown man that was blown into a pile of sandbags on the beach (from some asian tv show that was filming) much like the girl in this video.
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:02 pm

Quoting brianw999 (Reply 43):
.......will get the beach and road closed or a huge blast shield erected thus spoiling the airport photography for those whose brain cells are actually connected and functioning.
Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 44):
Eventually this beach will be closed to the public and we'll lose one of the world's great spotting areas.

After this incident with multiple injuries- despite the warning signs, beach closure and construction of some sort of a short blast deflector is imminent.

Better book your flights to SXM asap.  
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RE: Video: Jet Blast Vs Girl - Ouch

Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:23 pm

Watch the original video posted on youtube in HD, search as "girl blown by plane". Aircraft on blast pad not approved for aircraft and first officer with open cockpit window waving at the the people on the beach. That B6 crew will have a few things to explain to the their chief pilot. As for the girl, you can't prevent stupid!
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