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Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:32 am

Curious if anyone may know anything about a certain DL 738 flying around
With a different type of interior. The bulkheads have a pattern design and the seat covers
Are different as well.

Also I recently was onboard a ex NW 757 with the 75x style 737ng ceiling pannels.
This airplane also had white plastic throughout the cabin and was without the typical
NW bulkhead and sidewall pinstripe panneling, but instead had DL styles throughout
With the NW bins and seats.

Anyone know anything about these birds?
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:19 am

The 738 is a prototype for an interior upgrade. It has the bulkhead treatments and the seat covers with the additional stitching.

There are 10 5500 series ex NW 757s that got the new sculpted ceiling panels and recovered sidewalls and wallpaper. Once it was determined they would be flying a few more years it was decided they had to be upgraded.
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:24 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 1):
The 738 is a prototype for an interior upgrade. It has the bulkhead treatments and the seat covers with the additional stitching.

Can you give any other details on what it looks like?
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:31 am

Any idea what the registrations of these birds are? Will try to look and see if I am flying on them anytime soon.
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:35 am

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 2):
Can you give any other details on what it looks like?

I flew the 738 (coach) SLC-JFK last month. I didn't notice the different seat covers, but the carpet was a darker blue and the Delta name and widget logo was attached to the bulkhead dividers on both sides of the aisle. This branding was raised off the wall about .5in, so the effect really popped. The prototype looked quite nice, imho.
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:23 am

Quoting Ezra (Reply 4):
I flew the 738 (coach) SLC-JFK last month. I didn't notice the different seat covers, but the carpet was a darker blue and the Delta name and widget logo was attached to the bulkhead dividers on both sides of the aisle. This branding was raised off the wall about .5in, so the effect really popped. The prototype looked quite nice, imho.

Like in the most recent ad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl2Jz...yPDCNRjqSV7yA&index=1&feature=plcp
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:29 am

While that's nice and all, personally, I'd rather them spend the time and money on having a seamless product in terms of AVOD/etc. Do that first, then worry about branding.
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:32 am

Quoting B757forever (Reply 1):
There are 10 5500 series ex NW 757s that got the new sculpted ceiling panels and recovered sidewalls and wallpaper. Once it was determined they would be flying a few more years it was decided they had to be upgraded.

Did they remove that stupid bar/lip from the overheads?
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:09 pm

Quoting n515cr (Reply 6):

Explain to me how do you create a seamless product in a fleet of 500+ aircraft.?

One by one..... I thought so!
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:42 pm

3752 is the 738 I believe.
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:13 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 7):
Did they remove that stupid bar/lip from the overheads?

Are you referring to the "hand rails" on the bottom of the bins? If so, they do serve a purpose: you're supposed to use those if you're walking in turbulence instead of grabbing the backs of peoples' seats (or their heads) LOL
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:27 pm

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 10):
Are you referring to the "hand rails" on the bottom of the bins? If so, they do serve a purpose: you're supposed to use those if you're walking in turbulence instead of grabbing the backs of peoples' seats (or their heads) LOL

On some 75N/5500 aircraft there is a lip inside the bin which was designed to help rollaboards fit in easier.
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:38 pm

Quoting questions (Reply 5):

The 747 in that ad looks weird to me. Is it CGI? The nose looks wonkie and the engines look bulbous like the ones on the PW 757.

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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:41 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 7):
Did they remove that stupid bar/lip from the overheads?

If they did that 90% of the "roll-aboard/carryon" bags would never fit. The purpose of the "bar/lip" is to raise the inboard part of the bag so the bin will close...the "lower-tech" version was a blanket or pillow FA's would stuff in there to do the same thing.
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:46 pm

Quoting B757forever (Reply 1):
There are 10 5500 series ex NW 757s that got the new sculpted ceiling panels and recovered sidewalls and wallpaper. Once it was determined they would be flying a few more years it was decided they had to be upgraded.

Did they install LCD screens as well?
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:07 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 7):
Did they remove that stupid bar/lip from the overheads?

You mean the "stupid" bar that actually makes it easier to fit 22 inch roller bags into the overhead bid length-wise?
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:19 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 14):

Did they install LCD screens as well?

No, and there are currently no plans to install LCD screens on the PMNW fleet; only the PMDL non-AVOD 752s are currently getting new LCDs (replacing the CRTs).
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:45 pm

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 10):
Are you referring to the "hand rails" on the bottom of the bins?

No. I didn't notice any of the handrails on the PMNW 757-200.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 15):
You mean the "stupid" bar that actually makes it easier to fit 22 inch roller bags into the overhead bid length-wise?

The same bar that prevents my 22" roller that fits in every other aircraft (except CRJs) on every other airline from fitting in the overhead? Yes. That "stupid" bar.  
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:55 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 16):
No, and there are currently no plans to install LCD screens on the PMNW fleet; only the PMDL non-AVOD 752s are currently getting new LCDs (replacing the CRTs).

Weird. Why would they do that?
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:20 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 7):
Did they remove that stupid bar/lip from the overheads?

That "bar lip" was a smart decision by NW maintenance as it enabled rollaboard bag to fit in with the wheels facing out (if you could just get the pax to cooperate), Before, they would only fit lengthwise and it greatly reduced the amount of carry on luggage that could be accomodated. Just lifting the end of the bag an inch or so made all the difference. Pretty smart idea, IMHO. And far cheaper than ripping out all the overhead bins.
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:24 pm

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 12):

The 747 in that ad looks weird to me. Is it CGI?

Yes, it's CGI unfortunately.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 18):
Weird. Why would they do that?

There's no audio/video at all on the 75N series.
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:34 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 18):
Weird. Why would they do that?

The PMNW 5500 aircraft had already had the monitors and tape players removed and the wires cut and capped before the merger. It would take way too much effort to restore what was removed because of the way it was removed. The PMDL aircraft are essentially plug and play upgrades.
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:37 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 16):
No, and there are currently no plans to install LCD screens on the PMNW fleet; only the PMDL non-AVOD 752s are currently getting new LCDs (replacing the CRTs).
Quoting B757forever (Reply 21):
The PMNW 5500 aircraft had already had the monitors and tape players removed and the wires cut and capped before the merger. It would take way too much effort to restore what was removed because of the way it was removed. The PMDL aircraft are essentially plug and play upgrades.

What about the PMNW 5600 aircraft? Do they already have LCD monitors?
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:50 pm

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 22):
What about the PMNW 5600 aircraft? Do they already have LCD monitors?

Domestic aircraft do not have monitors, while the international aircraft have CRTs. However, since the international aircraft will be converted to domestic, I do not know what are the IFE plans for them.
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:09 am

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 12):
The 747 in that ad looks weird to me. Is it CGI? The nose looks wonkie and the engines look bulbous like the ones on the PW 757.

Yes its CGI
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:56 am

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 22):
What about the PMNW 5600 aircraft? Do they already have LCD monitors?

Not the domestic ones. On those all of the video equipment has been removed just like the 75N/5500 series. The 5600 aircraft that are 75J and 75A aircraft do have audio/video still installed. The 75A aircraft got new flat screen aisle screens I believe when NWA converted them to ETOPS during bankruptcy.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 19):
That "bar lip" was a smart decision by NW maintenance as it enabled rollaboard bag to fit in with the wheels facing out (if you could just get the pax to cooperate), Before, they would only fit lengthwise and it greatly reduced the amount of carry on luggage that could be accomodated. Just lifting the end of the bag an inch or so made all the difference. Pretty smart idea, IMHO. And far cheaper than ripping out all the overhead bins.

Exactly. I've never had a problem with my 22" bag in the nearly 200 flights on 5500/5600 series 757's.

Quoting B757forever (Reply 1):
There are 10 5500 series ex NW 757s that got the new sculpted ceiling panels and recovered sidewalls and wallpaper. Once it was determined they would be flying a few more years it was decided they had to be upgraded.

I'm not sure this is all correct. Yes, there are some 75N's flying around that have been completely recovered sidewalls, wallpaper and even in the bathrooms. Just two months ago I was on a 75N that did not have the complete recovered sidewalls - in fact the forward bulkheads were still in the light brown stripe minus the 'N' compass.

I have yet to fly on a 75N with the NG style ceiling panels and I don't remember reading or hearing all of them were going to be overhauled that well. If so, great! But just as recently as two weeks ago the 757 fleet plan called for the next batch of 757 retirements to come primarily from the 75N/5500 series, so I doubt Delta has invested upgrades in all of them. There are currently 15 flying.
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:12 am

Quoting n7371f (Reply 25):
The 75A aircraft got new flat screen aisle screens I believe when NWA converted them to ETOPS during

I don't believe this is true, as the 75A's I was flying last summer had the old CRT monitors.
many of which didn't work.
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:22 am

Quoting n515cr (Reply 6):
While that's nice and all, personally, I'd rather them spend the time and money on having a seamless product in terms of AVOD/etc. Do that first, then worry about branding.

Okay, so let's do a side-by-side cost comparison. What would be your guess as to how much it costs to upgrade one a/c to full AVOD (including the hardware to run the system) vs slapping on new seat covers and replacing some cabin dividers..

Personally, I'd take consistent branding over a TV screen in front of me 100% of the time. For me, i's much rather them finish the fleet so that they match most non-AVOD PMDL 757s and the MD-88s (new sidewalls and PSUs, LED cabin lights, ceiling lavatory signs, etc. etc.).

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 26):
I don't believe this is true, as the 75A's I was flying last summer had the old CRT monitors.many of which didn't work.

Every 75A i've been on had flat LCD screens.
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:30 am

Can someone post a picture of this interior?
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:14 pm

There's also a 75X flying around with the new seats. The Y seats have "deep" stitching and are a diffent color from the standard Delta Blue (two contrasting blues instead of solid). No Delta widget on th bulkhead though. Ship 649

The seats themselves are also different. They look like the new Weber Y seats that US have been installing.

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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:45 am

I haven't seen this 75x yet. Delta hasn't told employees about these airplanes and what thier objective is with flying them around. Is this like top secret or something?  
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:54 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 27):

Personally, I'd take consistent branding over a TV screen in front of me 100% of the time. For me, i's much rather them finish the fleet so that they match most non-AVOD PMDL 757s and the MD-88s (new sidewalls and PSUs, LED cabin lights, ceiling lavatory signs, etc. etc.).

so you, as a PAX, would rather have new wall paper on you 4 hour flight vs AVOD?

Same branding is nice(well, if you like the branding. Burning widget sucks to me so i wish we had some flags still running around) but PAXs are going to care much more about IFE then wall paper.

Get a little one and take them on two T-cons...one with AVOD one with out and tell us how you feel.  
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:27 pm

Keep in mind there are always ongoing replacements of interior trim and covers as a part of the routine maintenance and overhaul program. Some of these programs do not get the big press or PR coverage like when doing more expensive and significant product overhauls like installing lie-flats, expanding F, adding EC, or adding IFE.

DL has a whole bunch of new airplanes coming online in the next few years. New style of seat covers are likely to be on the new 739ERs and the ongoing replacement cycle will continue for older aircraft.
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:53 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 32):
Keep in mind there are always ongoing replacements of interior trim and covers as a part of the routine maintenance and overhaul program. Some of these programs do not get the big press or PR coverage like when doing more expensive and significant product overhauls like installing lie-flats, expanding F, adding EC, or adding IFE.

DL has a whole bunch of new airplanes coming online in the next few years. New style of seat covers are likely to be on the new 739ERs and the ongoing replacement cycle will continue for older aircraft.

Which is why I wonder why the 319/320 hasn't been touched.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 31):
Same branding is nice(well, if you like the branding. Burning widget sucks to me so i wish we had some flags still running around) but PAXs are going to care much more about IFE then wall paper.

To the regular flyer, dead on. It's only to the type-A frequent flier that irregularities in branding and soft-touch service can become a nuisance.

That said...Delta sure does have a pattern of continually changing it's soft-product. Not that it's bad. But geez this is the airline that can't stop changing seat covers, bathroom floor coverings, paint jobs and so forth...

I tell you what...I'm on a 75Z right now and while it has TV, it's got the old-school overhead service units. Where's the consistency in there?
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 31):
Get a little one and take them on two T-cons...one with AVOD one with out and tell us how you feel.

Don't have any kids but did have to fly to PHX and back to pick up my nephew. His parents had enough sense to buy him a portable DVD player a long time ago. He sat there and watched SpongeBob episodes the whole ride. Sorry but I still don't get what the obsession is wit AVOD. Makes no diff to me if i'm on a 75X or regular 757; 73H or regular 738.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 33):
it's got the old-school overhead service units. Where's the consistency in there?

That's EXACTLY what I was saying here..

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 27):
Personally, I'd take consistent branding over a TV screen in front of me 100% of the time. For me, i's much rather them finish the fleet so that they match most non-AVOD PMDL 757s and the MD-88s (new sidewalls and PSUs, LED cabin lights, ceiling lavatory signs, etc. etc.).

but...

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 31):

I get it though. You're one of the type-As yu referenced so it's okay  

BTW, I take back what I said about the 75X and the new seat pattern/color. The situation was that I was going home and was one o the last to board and I was seated up front so the first row of coach was obviously occupied an I didn't notice rushing on. Getting off the a/c I did get a quick glance and noticed th EC seats. Then I made my comment

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 29):
There's also a 75X flying around with the new seats. The Y seats have "deep" stitching and are a different color from the standard Delta Blue (two contrasting blues instead of solid). No Delta widget on th bulkhead though. Ship 649

Anyway had my brother take this he was coming in on a 75X last night and did me the favor



So it'sjust new seat covers for the EC product. He saidthe rest of the seats were standard and solid blue. I should have known better because like I said there was no widget on the bulkhead like the 738 in question.
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:59 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 34):
So it'sjust new seat covers for the EC product. He saidthe rest of the seats were standard and solid blue. I should have known better because like I said there was no widget on the bulkhead like the 738 in question.

For the time being the 738 with that will be the only one, though if it is rolled out, should be interesting to see how the do it for the majority of the fleet that has soft bulkheads. The stitching looks like it has made it past the 738 in questions (3752).
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:42 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 34):

Don't have any kids but did have to fly to PHX and back to pick up my nephew. His parents had enough sense to buy him a portable DVD player a long time ago. He sat there and watched SpongeBob episodes the whole ride. Sorry but I still don't get what the obsession is wit AVOD. Makes no diff to me if i'm on a 75X or regular 757; 73H or regular 738.

Well its nice to be able to watch movies and such. Its not as big of a deal on short legs but that little TV, even for a airplane head like myself, is great for those long legs. Wifi is great but without a (reliable) power system it is very limited. Long Tcons will kill even some of the best batteries with time still to go. AVOD, while buggy for sure, is more reliable for everyone and a way for adding revenue for Delta, vs Wifi being Gogo who gets the money.

I personally think we are still a ways away from truly thinking wifi is the answer. Not only is it slow, you have no way to keep it going.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 34):

I get it though. You're one of the type-As yu referenced so it's okay

Haha. No I'm not, I just like to be able to watch ESPN or FoodTV or the news when i do get on a plane. (but I can also deal with window watching) I just want to see a common product. If they want to do PTVs then put PTVs on the planes, if they don't then pull them NWA style. I think what gets people a little annoyed is the lack of consistency across the fleet. Delta is doing a great(IMO) job of addressing the widebodies, but the lack of focus, and communication, on the narrowbody fleet is not where I think it should be.

I bring this up because when I'm on an airplane I have just noticed that the cabin seems to be a little bit more calm, people are watching TV, the kids are watching TV playing games etc. and it seems to keep everyone seated a bit better, seems to keep little ones from getting bored as easy and such. I do know a few guys with little ones, and I know one who would rather make a stop to get PTVs 100% than do a leg with out just for his kids.

All of that being highly subjective but it is just things i have noticed.

Idk how much you fly but the joy of flying has worn off of me. I'd much rather be working on the plane than in it in the air, 10x if i have nothing to do for 4 hours.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 33):

To the regular flyer, dead on. It's only to the type-A frequent flier that irregularities in branding and soft-touch service can become a nuisance.

agreed.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 33):
That said...Delta sure does have a pattern of continually changing it's soft-product. Not that it's bad. But geez this is the airline that can't stop changing seat covers, bathroom floor coverings, paint jobs and so forth...

*sigh* changed the paint job 4 times and they still can't get it right. Seriously what is so hard about this? https://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta...d=6729808a583e72cb70c19a9c8d87795b
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:19 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 34):
Sorry but I still don't get what the obsession is wit AVOD.

+1. I've never understood it as well...one nice thing about the 757s with AVOD, is power at every seat in F. I typically leave the TV on CNN or CNBC or the map (sometimes it's depressing seeing the time/distance remaining though).

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 36):
Wifi is great but without a (reliable) power system it is very limited.

Granted, I don't have a whole ton of DL experience, but the power on the AVOD planes are nice and I've never had any issues with them. I've only been on AVOD 757s, A330 and the 77L though, so I can't speak for the 767 or 737s.
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:41 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 37):

Granted, I don't have a whole ton of DL experience, but the power on the AVOD planes are nice and I've never had any issues with them. I've only been on AVOD 757s, A330 and the 77L though, so I can't speak for the 767 or 737s.

Two things
1) your only looking at F I guess because I don't think any Delta planes have Power in Y(some in Y+ I think) I worry about C/F/Y+ and Y. The hard product in Y is lacking on most aircraft.
2) the power on most i have been on isn't enough to charge my lap top and run it at the same time. My older lap top works like a champ but all the newer stuff i have used doesn't work.
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:19 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 38):
1) your only looking at F I guess because I don't think any Delta planes have Power in Y(some in Y+ I think) I worry about C/F/Y+ and Y. The hard product in Y is lacking on most aircraft.

I'm only looking at F because that's the only place I've sat on an AVOD plane. The power on the 77L was enough to charge me iPhone and my Macbook Pro. On the 757, it (very, very slowly) charged my MacBook Pro while I was using it. Can't remember the A330, though. When I'm using my computer, I'm generally working and doing less processor intensive tasks, which is probably why it charged while I was using it...
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:22 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 38):
1) your only looking at F I guess because I don't think any Delta planes have Power in Y(some in Y+ I think) I worry about C/F/Y+ and Y. The hard product in Y is lacking on most aircraft.

There are USB ports on all the 75Xs, 73Hs, and 73Ws throughout coach. The question is if it works. It's bee hit and miss for me but my very last time on a 73H (MSP-ATL a couple weeks ago) the port worked and was able to chard my phone.

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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:40 am

I just flew today on a 752 with the economy comfort seats. Looks nice, even if the rest of the plane's a bit old here and there. Fewer seats also meant more room in the bins. That was nice.
 
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RE: Strange Delta 738 And 75N Interior

Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:35 pm

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 36):
Well its nice to be able to watch movies and such. Its not as big of a deal on short legs but that little TV, even for a airplane head like myself, is great for those long legs. Wifi is great but without a (reliable) power system it is very limited. Long Tcons will kill even some of the best batteries with time still to go. AVOD, while buggy for sure, is more reliable for everyone and a way for adding revenue for Delta, vs Wifi being Gogo who gets the money.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't DL get a portion of the revenue for wifi from Gogo?

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 36):
I think what gets people a little annoyed is the lack of consistency across the fleet. Delta is doing a great(IMO) job of addressing the widebodies, but the lack of focus, and communication, on the narrowbody fleet is not where I think it should be.

Look, everyone is quick to continually beat DL up here month after month, week after week about the same issue. It's a dead horse. I think even most people in DL would agree with what is said about the lack of consistancy, but they are an industry that is very capital intense, has razor-thin margins, has been to the brink and back over the past decade, and at the mercy of many influences outside of their control.

Due to mergers, bankruptcy, simply a lack of money to reinvest in the business, mountains of debt, DL (and NW) simply had not been able to invest in the fleet for many of the more cosmestic and non-revenue producing projects.

DL does have a plan here. The top priority has been widebodies/international fleet. Can anyone really argue with the fact that they should've opted to not do the 744 nose-to-tail mods, lie flats, and 763 mods and instead of putting PTVs on 738s and A320s?

It is all about priority and wisely spending the limited amount of capital available to reinvest in the airline. There are a mountain of projects every year that DL must do. It all comes from the same pool of funding in the end. Not just fleet improvements, but airport improvements, website/IT enhancements, not to mention all of the required maintenance and safety related projects.

DL will get to the narrowbody fleet, after the international/widebody fleet. DL has a lot of new narrowbodies joining the fleet starting in 2013. By the end of the decade they will have at least 200 "new" narrowbodies which will replace a significant portion of what you have today.

When you are dealing with hundreds of aircraft that range in age from 0-35+ years, from multiple mergers and sources, different OEMs, there are always going to be differences.

[Edited 2012-04-13 06:49:44]

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