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Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:38 am


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As i see in this picture, which is recently clicked in 2012, the DL Tristars are still kept in the desert in VCV..
As i know, DL retired them in early 2000's from service.
Why aren't they scrapped in all these years? Any future for them?
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:27 am

My (uninformed and uneducated) guess is that they're being used as parts hulks to support the few L-1011s still around.

[Edited 2012-04-14 02:27:32]
 
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Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:26 pm

I too wondered the same thing. They were retired in July 2000. Almost 12 years grounded,and obsolete airframe at that. You would think with scrap metal being up there , they would have been cut up after the good parts are removed .
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Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:47 pm

Why the Delta equipment in particular? I see FedEx 310s and DC-10s as well.

I wonder, do the respective carriers even own the birds anymore?
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Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:03 pm

In the summer of 2006, I saw a former DL L1011 in EBB. It was still in the widget livery. A bit like seeing a ghost. Apparently it had been purchased by a cargo operator in Uganda. It sat on the ramp there for a few weeks before moving on.
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:27 pm

Not to nitpick but they were retired in 2001.

Delta's Last L-1011 Flt. At DFW Departed 7/8/01 (by ATA L1011 Jul 9 2001 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=515775&searchid=515775&s=Delta+L1011+final+flight#ID515775
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:38 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Not to nitpick but they were retired in 2001.

Yes,i was off by a year.
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:56 pm

It makes me kinda happy to see they're still around. Always my favorite plane to fly on. Just something special about Delta's L-1011 fleet. Makes me wonder what kind of commercial aircraft Lockheed could have been making today if the L-1011 and the RB211 had gotten off to a better start. At least the RB211 managed to eventually find much prosperity...
 
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Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:56 pm

Quoting Oceanic (Reply 7):
It makes me kinda happy to see they're still around. Always my favorite plane to fly on. Just something special about Delta's L-1011 fleet. Makes me wonder what kind of commercial aircraft Lockheed could have been making today if the L-1011 and the RB211 had gotten off to a better start. At least the RB211 managed to eventually find much prosperity...

I agree, it's a refreshing "blast from the past" to see them still around! I still miss the TWA L-1011s in IGM that were broken up a few years ago!  
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:30 pm

Storage is fairly cheap, scrap value is low. The owners choose to hold on to them hoping they can get more than a few thousand dollars for each one.
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Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:53 pm

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 8):
I still miss the TWA L-1011s in IGM that were broken up a few years ago!

I too remember the IGM Tristars. They were even better before IGM put up the fences around them. You used to be able to walk right up to a couple of them.
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Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:00 pm

If you haven't see the last Delta L1011 flight to VCV check out the Delta L1011 retirement website. Also has photos of last L1011 revenue passenger flight from MCO-ATL prior to employee retirement flight the following day from ATL-VCV.

http://www.l1011.homestead.com/
 
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Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:29 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 2):
I too wondered the same thing. They were retired in July 2000. Almost 12 years grounded,and obsolete airframe at that. You would think with scrap metal being up there , they would have been cut up after the good parts are removed .

The last ships were retired on July 31, 2001. The reason they are sitting there, is there is no demand for them, but perhaps the scrap value is more if they leave them in one piece and part them out slowly, rather than turning them into beer cans.
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:30 pm

Rather ironic, there is a post about these aircraft this week, since Delta crews that worked them nicknamed them, toward the end of their careers, "The Tritanic".
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:38 pm

I believe the RAF still have 9 L1011s still in service. IMO this probably has a great deal to do with why there are still so many sitting in bone yards. Their value as spares has far outweighed their value as scrap. As the RAF receives more A330 MRTT aircraft, I would venture to say that the Tristars will begin to be retired and then scrapped.

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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:53 pm

Quoting Oceanic (Reply 7):
It makes me kinda happy to see they're still around. Always my favorite plane to fly on. Just something special about Delta's L-1011 fleet. Makes me wonder what kind of commercial aircraft Lockheed could have been making today if the L-1011 and the RB211 had gotten off to a better start. At least the RB211 managed to eventually find much prosperity...



I'm in total agreement with you! One of the best looking birds (jumbo class). Seems like yesterday I'd look out the window of overheated dumpy concourse D at BWI as an ATA L1011 spooled up and the windows in D shook. A great sound! Sadly they were carting our military off to points in the Middle East. I got to take a tour of those L1011's complete with mounting the phone booth sized elevator down to the massive galley. Some of the windows even had their supplemental plastic tinted sun shade in tact. And the DL birds really looked majestic. I wish there still some Eastern birds out there. BTW, did LY ever consider flying the L1011 along with their 747's back in the day? But, opted out due to the delays and financial issues with Rolls Royce?
Though LY was and still exclusively Boeing they did fly Connies back in the day so maybe they wouldn't be hostile toward Lockheed.
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:58 pm

Orbital sciences is still using an L1011:
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/pegasus/nustar/120403june/

... but it is amazing to see so many frames just sitting. Can't be much use to them other than as scrap. Perhaps the scrappers just handle them whenever there's downtime from more pressing jobs.
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:16 pm

I rode the last commercial trip. It was ATL to MCO.
My trip was to Orlando and I stayed overnight. Next day first
777 ride back to ATL.
The 1011 returned to Atlanta and that was the last commercial
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:37 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 10):
I too remember the IGM Tristars. They were even better before IGM put up the fences around them. You used to be able to walk right up to a couple of them.

I walked around them once, when we had flown in on a cross country from PRC! I told my flight instructor I wanted to go back and climb in them. He told me he had gone in them once, to find that they were Black Widow spiders everywhere, and it was almost dangerous to go in! Of course in hind sight, I wish I still had gone in them! Crazy to think now their are a bunch of RJs parked in it's place!
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Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:30 am

Great plane, I spent a lot of time crossing the Atlantic on those birds. Thanks for sharing the pictures, based on the reg numbers, I believe those two were birds bought from AC in the mid 90's. Good birds, we're given a modern cabin when brought into the fleet.
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Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:54 am

Quoting milesrich (Reply 13):
Rather ironic, there is a post about these aircraft this week, since Delta crews that worked them nicknamed them, toward the end of their careers, "The Tritanic".

In SLC we were calling them the "Tribucket".  
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:31 am

For apparently ignorant people like me, what aircraft type is an RB211, which was mentioned by Oceanic in reply No. 7? Really would like to know. Tnx.
 
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Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:48 am

The RB211 is a Rolls-Royce engine. Lots of problems in the development of this first triple-spool engine delayed the TriStar (and bankrupted RR, which was nationalized as a result). Lots of issues once operational caused much agita. Lots of work by the airlines and the manufacturer solved the problems, and later versions of the engines found great success on other airframes, like the 747-200, 747-400, 767 and, notably, the 757.

PS One example of the development craziness: RR was using a carbon-fibre fan blade to save weight and gain efficiency. This was in like 1970, so it was an amazing bit of technology at the time. The thing worked basically-flawlessly until they did the frozen-turkey test [you shoot frozen turkeys into a running engine on a test stand to simulate bird ingestion and it has to keep operating while ingesting a certain number of birds in order to be certified under the FARs]. The blades shattered, and this sent them to Plan B, which had its own set of problems. Editorial note: unlike some recent programs that were delayed, RR at least HAD a Plan B in case the blades didn't work, which was to use titanium.

PPS The RR engine delay was about a year. In 1970. And was considered catastrophic. Hard to imagine that today, with such a great ability to model, plan and monitor things, delays in some programs have far outstripped that, and customers have managed to suck it up.

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Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:51 am

Thanks much for the RB211 info. Never too late to learn.
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:58 am

I guess they are there because that innovative new airline, based in Scotland, which was going to buy them all never got off of the ground.

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Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:32 am

sccutler -- Wasn't that the so-called Scot who not never got off the ground, but ended up in prison for pedophilia. As I remember PPRuNe covered that case extensively.
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:39 am

Quoting HNLPointShoot (Reply 1):
My (uninformed and uneducated) guess is that they're being used as parts hulks to support the few L-1011s still around.

Ah, correct! I guess these are the only L1011s that are still in one piece to be able to use in spares!

Quoting Oceanic (Reply 7):
It makes me kinda happy to see they're still around. Always my favorite plane to fly on. Just something special about Delta's L-1011 fleet. Makes me wonder what kind of commercial aircraft Lockheed could have been making today if the L-1011 and the RB211 had gotten off to a better start. At least the RB211 managed to eventually find much prosperity...

Wish they were still around. I'm just 19, and have started flying now! Wish could get one now.
PS i just booked my first 737 NG flight. And my 747 flights! So you can imagine, how rarely i get a chance to fly  
Quoting milesrich (Reply 13):
Rather ironic, there is a post about these aircraft this week, since Delta crews that worked them nicknamed them, toward the end of their careers, "The Tritanic".

Hahaha, i have heard this too! Always makes my laugh!

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 24):
The RB211 is a Rolls-Royce engine. Lots of problems in the development of this first triple-spool engine delayed the TriStar (and bankrupted RR, which was nationalized as a result). Lots of issues once operational caused much agita. Lots of work by the airlines and the manufacturer solved the problems, and later versions of the engines found great success on other airframes, like the 747-200, 747-400, 767 and, notably, the 757.

PS One example of the development craziness: RR was using a carbon-fibre fan blade to save weight and gain efficiency. This was in like 1970, so it was an amazing bit of technology at the time. The thing worked basically-flawlessly until they did the frozen-turkey test [you shoot frozen turkeys into a running engine on a test stand to simulate bird ingestion and it has to keep operating while ingesting a certain number of birds in order to be certified under the FARs]. The blades shattered, and this sent them to Plan B, which had its own set of problems. Editorial note: unlike some recent programs that were delayed, RR at least HAD a Plan B in case the blades didn't work, which was to use titanium.

PPS The RR engine delay was about a year. In 1970. And was considered catastrophic. Hard to imagine that today, with such a great ability to model, plan and monitor things, delays in some programs have far outstripped that, and customers have managed to suck it up.

Thank You so much for the info William! You get into my respected list for that! I liked how RR had a plan B to use titanium.

PS a lil off topic, but do the Boeing 787's too have carbon fiber blades?
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Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:41 pm

My very first flight as a DL F/A was aboard an L-1011 from LGA-PBI. The entire F/A crew was brand new and we really struggled to finish the hot meal in coach with the lifts and the huge carts; we nearly had carts in the aisles upon landing! I almost quit my job after that first flight, but I thought "it can't get any worse!"
Eventually, I grew to LOVE that big bird with it's unique (to me) sounding engines on takeoff and taxi.
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Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:31 pm

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 24):
The thing worked basically-flawlessly until they did the frozen-turkey test [you shoot frozen turkeys into a running engine on a test stand to simulate bird ingestion and it has to keep operating while ingesting a certain number of birds in order to be certified under the FARs].

You may want to point out that they thaw the frozen turkeys first!  
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:32 pm

In deference to fellow L-1011 a.net contributor Carl (474218) that passed away this past February, I'll do my best to answer some of the speculation here.

The remaining L-1011-40s, if any, at VCV are owned by JetMidwest that were to be used as part out aircraft. The remaining -500s are owned by Wells Fargo Bank Northwest (WFBN). With the global L-1011 fleet nearly gone except the RAF's, the spares market has evaporated. Its quite more expensive to scrap an aircraft this size than just pay the parking fees, but I surmise that they are now slowly getting scrapped as they 'clean out' the older stuff that's been there a long time. Fellow a.net contributor FX1816 works at VCV and perhaps could shed some more light on their fate.

As for L-1011 spares, a company called Flight Support in Canada supports the RAF. They purchased most of ATA's L-1011 spares when they went out of business as well as everything Lockheed had left in their spares inventory. I do not believe any of these aircraft at VCV will be used for spares if they have not been already. There simply is no market at all except scrap value.

Finally as an enthusiast and having worked on these grand ole ladies at ATA, I sure do miss them still.
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Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:54 pm

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 28):
I liked how RR had a plan B to use titanium.

That plan is still serving them well to this day...RR has the best, lightest, most advanced Ti blades around and that's served them well as they move to the larger, 3D airfoil, wide chord blades on the Trent 900/1000/etc.

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 28):
PS a lil off topic, but do the Boeing 787's too have carbon fiber blades?

The GE engines (GEnX) do; CFRP blades with Ti leading edges. The RR engine (Trent 1000) has an all Ti blade.

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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:27 pm

With the new wing inspections regime AD and current fuel prices, no one would spend money making some of these VCV residents airworthy ever again.

Even those DL that seem preserved, I bet they don't even have the rear spar mod.

Unfortunately... For me it was the best aircraft ever built. I miss them.
 
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Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:25 pm

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 31):
In deference to fellow L-1011 a.net contributor Carl (474218) that passed away this past February

Carl was a super nice guy...I met him for lunch once and we talked L-1011's and musclecars. Sad to know He's gone.

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 31):
Finally as an enthusiast and having worked on these grand ole ladies at ATA, I sure do miss them still.

I still have a small corner of my toolbox that has L-1011 parts.....I call it my "museum." Hard to believe that its been 11 years.
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Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:34 pm

Quoting dash500 (Reply 33):
Even those DL that seem preserved, I bet they don't even have the rear spar mod.

IIRC, all of our planes had the rear spar replacement. We even did N41016 for TWA.

These planes were maintained when Delta had armies of mechanics and engineers. That all changed when the L-1011s and 727s left.
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Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:04 pm

Quoting RIXrat (Reply 27):
sccutler -- Wasn't that the so-called Scot who not never got off the ground, but ended up in prison for pedophilia. As I remember PPRuNe covered that case extensively.

The very same. It has been long enough, many here have no knowledge of "Caledonian Wings."

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Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:40 pm

One decade later we're still talking about Celtic Airways and "Ceilidh"! How time runs so fast... By that time I was a kid and started a thread reporting one of the few Delta L-1011s that actually managed to escape from the desert, and to which Ceilidh replied.

There Is Still A L1011 Flying With Delta Colours! (by Boing&AirbR Aug 1 2001 in Civil Aviation)

Funny nickname I had... Kinda "Boeing & Airbus Rule". Having worked with the L-1011 6 years later, I can say that nickname was a double lie! ehehehe
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:48 pm

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 31):

In deference to fellow L-1011 a.net contributor Carl (474218) that passed away this past February, I'll do my best to answer some of the speculation here.
Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 34):
Carl was a super nice guy...I met him for lunch once and we talked L-1011's and musclecars. Sad to know He's gone.

Sorry to read about this. His post were very informative and his knowledge was a great asset to the site.
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Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:49 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 38):
Sorry to read about this. His post were very informative and his knowledge was a great asset to the site.
R.I.P.

He truly liked to share his knowledge about the L-1011 as he was a retired Lockheed engineer. I first "met" him on the internet when he signed the guestbook of my website back in 2001.

He and 411A were a great loss for the L-1011 "family" since there are not so many people who share their knowlegde and stories with this aircraft on the internet with the same enthusiasm they had. Both in very different and interesting ways - 411A more passionate and more aviator style, 474218 or glhcarl was more precise, more engineer style but always defending his "lady"  
 
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Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:55 am

Have you all not heard? DL will be using them to maintain capacity as the Ex-NW 744's go in for cabin refurb mods!

I kid I kid...but one can dream.
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Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:06 am

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 29):
My very first flight as a DL F/A was aboard an L-1011 from LGA-PBI. The entire F/A crew was brand new and we really struggled to finish the hot meal in coach with the lifts and the huge carts; we nearly had carts in the aisles upon landing! I almost quit my job after that first flight, but I thought "it can't get any worse!"
Eventually, I grew to LOVE that big bird with it's unique (to me) sounding engines on takeoff and taxi

Those carts were unique in that they had heating elements to keep the meals warm, but later on during the nineties, the warmers were were deactivated after a few flight attendants got shocked, and those tie down were really tricky, both securing the carts and releasing them. But that lower level galley was spacious.
 
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Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:34 am

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 8):
I still miss the TWA L-1011s in IGM that were broken up a few years ago!
They were there until May 2010. One of which was N31023. I used to visit those ships regularly to pay my respects. It was hard to hold back the tears.

Quoting milesrich (Reply 13):
, since Delta crews that worked them nicknamed them, toward the end of their careers, "The Tritanic".

I believe it was the Eastern crews who coined that phrase, at least that's where I heard it first. Perhaps someone can explain that "nickname". To my knowledge, no one has ever lost their life due to the design or manufacture of the L-1011. Most likely it's because Tri-Stars were complicated to service and repair so a lot of problems didn't get fixed right the first time.

Quoting mayor (Reply 21):
In SLC we were calling them the "Tribucket".

   That's a good one!

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 31):
In deference to fellow L-1011 a.net contributor Carl (474218) that passed away this past February
Quoting dash500 (Reply 39):
He truly liked to share his knowledge about the L-1011 as he was a retired Lockheed engineer. I first "met" him on the internet when he signed the guestbook of my website back in 2001.
He and 411A were a great loss for the L-1011 "family" since there are not so many people who share their knowledge and stories with this aircraft on the internet with the same enthusiasm they had. Both in very different and interesting ways - 411A more passionate and more aviator style, 474218 or glhcarl was more precise, more engineer style but always defending his "lady"


I am truly saddened to hear this news. Never had the pleasure of meeting him however we swapped muscle car and L-1011 memorabila via the mail on many occasions. He sent me the "Goldenrod" report which lists every L-1011 built and it's status. If I had the serial numbers of those DL 1011's I could find their status as of about a year ago.
474218, Carl, You will be missed.
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:00 am

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 42):

The name "Tritanic" came about because the L1011 flew at cruise at slight upward angle.
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:12 am

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 42):
Most likely it's because Tri-Stars were complicated to service and repair so a lot of problems didn't get fixed right the first time.

After the DL/WA merger, a lot of the WA DC-10 routes were changed over to Tristars, and this is no dig at WA's maintenance, but the WA mechanics weren't that used to servicing L-1011s and many things were getting deferred when they came thru an old WA station. At least that was my observation. There didn't seem to be many problems with the 727 or 737 as they were common between us.
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:44 pm

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 31):
Fellow a.net contributor FX1816 works at VCV and perhaps could shed some more light on their fate.

Well actually I work at EDW but I do live down the street from VCV and drive by every day. When I was up at VCV tower about 2 months I ago I asked if the guys there if they had heard anything new about those L1011's. Currently there is one ex DAL L10 sitting in the scrapping area in between RWY 17/35 and 03/21. The rest are still out in the main storage lot. Supposedly nothing is going to happen to them anytime soon. They will never fly again but they are not going anywhere. CS-TMR is also still sitting out at VCV along with the former VIP L1011 (not sure of the middle eastern country it was from). It seems like little to no scrapping has been done in a few months. The former MP 763 that flew in a few months ago was pulled out to the scrap yard and then brought back to the transient ramp, albeit missing some parts.

The irony of the whole thing though is that they were built not too far from VCV, at PMD.

The Orbital L1011. It flew from VBG back to MHV about 3 weeks ago but on its way back they decided to do some practice approaches at VCV. To my surprise on my way to work as I drove by N140SC passed right in front of me going missed off of RWY 17, what a sight and sound to behold.

What terrible news about Carl. I really enjoyed reading his posts about the old L10, RIP.

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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:04 pm

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 19):

Tose 2 are L1011-500's and the British still use them as
tankers. They still have value as a whole as long as Delta keeps them on their operating Certificate Probably 300-500% premium over their Scrap Value. It would take a Wing Ding Doodle of money and parts to return them to service but with a Maintenence program in place it could be done.. Hey! look at Travolta's B707-338. ...
It Could Happen and right NOW?? It's costing Delta a Pttance to keep them whole
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:35 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 46):
CS-TMR is also still sitting out at VCV along with the former VIP L1011 (not sure of the middle eastern country it was from)

I guess it's HZ-AB1 from Saudi Arabia.
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:50 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 46):
They still have value as a whole as long as Delta keeps them on their operating Certificate

Interesting. I would have thought that Delta would long ago have washed their hands of the L10's. Why would they be doing this and how does it affect the value of the aircraft? Maybe someone can explain.   
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:17 am

Regarding DL and the stored L1011s, I am surprised that they didn't shed them in bankruptcy, while they were rejecting the leases on the MD11s... Are we sure they didn't?

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