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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:53 am

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 46):
Hey! look at Travolta's B707-338. ...

N707JT is a 707-138 not a 338.

Quoting dash500 (Reply 47):
I guess it's HZ-AB1 from Saudi Arabia.

Yeah you are right, I checked on that today.


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Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:44 pm

Speaking of stored L1011s, what is the current status of P4-MED (the "Flying Hospital") or N728DA (the Delta "Belle") that was donated by Delta as a spare parts source for P4-MED?
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:04 am

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 46):
They still have value as a whole as long as Delta keeps them on their operating Certificate
Quoting airtechy (Reply 48):
Interesting. I would have thought that Delta would long ago have washed their hands of the L10's. Why would they be doing this and how does it affect the value of the aircraft? Maybe someone can explain.

They are no longer owned by nor on the DL Ops Spec.

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 34):
Carl was a super nice guy...I met him for lunch once and we talked L-1011's and musclecars. Sad to know He's gone.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 38):
Sorry to read about this. His post were very informative and his knowledge was a great asset to the site.
R.I.P.
Quoting dash500 (Reply 39):
He truly liked to share his knowledge about the L-1011 as he was a retired Lockheed engineer. I first "met" him on the internet when he signed the guestbook of my website back in 2001.

He and 411A were a great loss for the L-1011 "family" since there are not so many people who share their knowlegde and stories with this aircraft on the internet with the same enthusiasm they had. Both in very different and interesting ways - 411A more passionate and more aviator style, 474218 or glhcarl was more precise, more engineer style but always defending his "lady"
Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 42):
I am truly saddened to hear this news. Never had the pleasure of meeting him however we swapped muscle car and L-1011 memorabila via the mail on many occasions. He sent me the "Goldenrod" report which lists every L-1011 built and it's status. If I had the serial numbers of those DL 1011's I could find their status as of about a year ago.
Quoting FX1816 (Reply 45):
What terrible news about Carl. I really enjoyed reading his posts about the old L10, RIP.

I don't know much detail, but Carl was a facebook friend and I got the news on Feb. 11 that he had passed on the 8th. While I didn't know Carl directly, our paths crossed through a former Lockheed co-worker, Mike Bohannon who was our Lockheed rep at ATA until he himself passed in 2004 if I recall correctly. I was shocked and saddened as well as I realized we were slowly losing the guys that built this great airliner. Mike had great stories and Carl had insightful posts on airliners.net about the L-1011. Both are missed.
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:54 am

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 43):

The name "Tritanic" came about because the L1011 flew at cruise at slight upward angle.

Hmmmmm....   
I suppose that's possible but the DC-10 was far more offensive at flying uphill than the 1011 was. I was led to believe that it had to do with the complexity of the aircraft and as Mayor says below, exceptions that often got passed along.

Quoting mayor (Reply 44):
this is no dig at WA's maintenance, but the WA mechanics weren't that used to servicing L-1011s and many things were getting deferred when they came thru an old WA station. At least that was my observation.

I heard it first from Eastern FA's (We called them "Stews" back then) about galley items not fixed and IFE problems not fixed. Imagine an 11 hour flight with no IFE!

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 52):Both are missed

Thanks for your info regarding Carl. Well stated. He meant a lot to me here @ A.net and outside. As a tribute, I plan to start a non-av thread in his memory. Anyone here who wishes to pay ther respects, please ck the non av forum.

[Edited 2012-04-17 23:25:17]
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:45 am

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 28):
PS a lil off topic, but do the Boeing 787's too have carbon fiber blades?

GEnx does, the Trents are all Metal.

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 28):
Wish they were still around. I'm just 19, and have started flying now! Wish could get one now.
PS i just booked my first 737 NG flight. And my 747 flights! So you can imagine, how rarely i get a chance to fly  

I think everyone should have to fly a L10. *sigh* I miss them dearly.

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 31):

In deference to fellow L-1011 a.net contributor Carl (474218) that passed away this past February, I'll do my best to answer some of the speculation here.

Damn. That really sucks.
RIP Carl, I learned so much about the 1011 from you. thanks for everything.

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 31):
Finally as an enthusiast and having worked on these grand ole ladies at ATA, I sure do miss them still.

2nd this. I'd give anything for a L10 ride out to Dallas or Orlando like the old days.

Quoting dash500 (Reply 33):
Unfortunately... For me it was the best aircraft ever built. I miss them.

2nd this.

Quoting B6A322 (Reply 40):

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Quoting akelley728 (Reply 51):

from the FAA
Reason for Cancellation Destroyed
guess that means beer cans?
 
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:23 am

Too bad DL didn't keep one for their museum in ATL. Either that or a 727. BTW,what ever happened with that project to get that ex-DL 727 air worthy?
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:35 pm

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 53):
Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 43):

The name "Tritanic" came about because the L1011 flew at cruise at slight upward angle.

Hmmmmm....
I suppose that's possible but the DC-10 was far more offensive at flying uphill than the 1011 was. I was led to believe that it had to do with the complexity of the aircraft and as Mayor says below, exceptions that often got passed along.

Actually, the 727 flew, slightly nose up, also. When we did the weight and balance, you wanted the a/c more tail heavy than not.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 55):
BTW,what ever happened with that project to get that ex-DL 727 air worthy?

I believe it turned out to be more expensive to get it airworthy than was expected.
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:29 pm

I was always suprised that the "crashed" airplane on the TV show "Lost" was obviously a DL L1011 airframe. I was VERY surprised DL would not have made them paint out the colors. Not great advertising for an airline to show crashed airframes.
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:34 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 57):
I was always suprised that the "crashed" airplane on the TV show "Lost" was obviously a DL L1011 airframe. I was VERY surprised DL would not have made them paint out the colors. Not great advertising for an airline to show crashed airframes.

Well, I wouldn't imagine that the general public would recognize this as a DL a/c, without the lettering and Widgets. Not sure if DL could make them do much more than remove those.
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:09 pm

N723DA, L-1011-1 is still there and and could fly again I heard from a couple sources. It was the one that was serviced and prepared for service with the Transatlatic Airlines back in 06/07, last pic I saw of it late last year it was fully intact with engines with doors open being vented. I hope someone saves it and I hope that that museum kansas city gets some 22b's for that Ex TWA -100 that it aquired 2 years ago.
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:20 pm

iirc, no one does overhauls on RB211-22B's now.

Would it be worth them getting RB211-524's.

Besides that, would switching engine types be straightforward, or is there more too it than just unbolting the old, and bolting on the new.
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:21 pm

Quoting ATA L1011 (Reply 59):
I hope that that museum kansas city gets some 22b's for that Ex TWA -100 that it aquired 2 years ago.

Are they still searching for engines? I would love visit their L-1011 and see her complete with engines!

I wonder why the owner of the engines wanted them back.
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:28 pm

Quoting dash500 (Reply 61):
Are they still searching for engines? I would love visit their L-1011 and see her complete with engines!

I wonder why the owner of the engines wanted them back.

Last I heard it was still engine less and the deal with whomever owned the engines was to allow them to use them to ferry it. They did offer tho sell the engines to the museum for I believe 40k but they couldn't raise the money in time so they were removed and trucked out  
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:32 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 60):
Would it be worth them getting RB211-524's.

Besides that, would switching engine types be straightforward, or is there more too it than just unbolting the old, and bolting on the new.


Its more to it than just unbolting a 22b and mounting a 524 in its place, it can be done as the Orbital Science Corp converted theirs to 524's. Its now a -200 as where it was a -100 with the 22b's.
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:15 pm

Quoting milesrich (Reply 41):
Those carts were unique in that they had heating elements to keep the meals warm, but later on during the nineties, the warmers were were deactivated after a few flight attendants got shocked, and those tie down were really tricky, both securing the carts and releasing them. But that lower level galley was spacious.

Talking about carts, was this the usual way to secure them?

http://www.hflight.net/blahdocs/uploads/hkg050_757.jpg
http://www.hflight.net/blahdocs/uploads/hkg049_1857.jpg

LOL

More photos of Thai Sky L-1011 here...
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:22 pm

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 50):
Quoting dash500 (Reply 47):
I guess it's HZ-AB1 from Saudi Arabia.

Yeah you are right, I checked on that today.

Plenty of pictures of this lovely bird in a.net's database: https://www.airliners.net/search/phot..._id+desc&page_limit=15&thumbnails=
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:44 am

Quoting dash500 (Reply 64):
Talking about carts, was this the usual way to secure them?

No, those carts are much smaller than the carts that are supposed to be used in that airplane (it is a DL airplane). It is possible that they removed the "mushrooms" attached to the floor that are used to secure the cart.

Quoting dash500 (Reply 64):
More photos of Thai Sky L-1011 here...

Great pics.......I really miss that airplane.....
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:07 am

Rumour has it that they will fly one or 2 in a few years as a fundraiser (raffle ticket) and nostalgia marketing purposes. Sign me up!
 
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Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:20 am

Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 67):
Rumour has it that they will fly one or 2 in a few years as a fundraiser (raffle ticket) and nostalgia marketing purposes. Sign me up!

Sign me up as well. I'll sell a kidney on ebay if I have to.
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:52 am

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 68):

Sign me up as well. I'll sell a kidney on ebay if I have to.

I'm a wuss with anything medical; but, I will don a Speedo Thong and do that Bollywood dance if I could get a chance to fly on this bird!
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Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:36 pm

quote=zippyjet,reply=69]I will don a Speedo Thong and do that Bollywood dance if I could get a chance to fly on this bird![/quote]
If that's the case, keep these planes grounded!  
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 51):
Speaking of stored L1011s, what is the current status of P4-MED (the "Flying Hospital") or N728DA (the Delta "Belle") that was donated by Delta as a spare parts source for P4-MED?

Does anybody know?
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:14 am

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 66):
No, those carts are much smaller than the carts that are supposed to be used in that airplane (it is a DL airplane). It is possible that they removed the "mushrooms" attached to the floor that are used to secure the cart.

On the same link you can see the mushrooms, although the trolleys seem to be the original ones from Delta: http://www.hflight.net/blahdocs/uploads/hkg054_4243.jpg

I never worked with the standard lenght models, only -500 series. I wrote a few Hajj operation reports with the L-1011 some years ago, but only in portuguese. However you can see the photos and one take-off video (from the cabin) here: http://navigatorclass.blogspot.pt/20...ajj-2007-arbia-saudita-jeddah.html
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:52 pm

ran across this FlightGlobal special article on the 40th anniversery of the L-1011. Some gorgeous photos, and a really nice history of my favorite airliner:

http://www.flightglobal.com/Features/lockheed-tristar/
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:00 pm

Wish there were more of them around. A beautiful sight and one of my most memorable flights ever, the one and only time I got to fly on one....
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:47 pm

In 2006 and 2007, Staffhire Carib of Trinidad were helping us with our L-1011 CS-TMR. Are they still around? I think their main expertise was L-1011 maintenance.



[Edited 2012-04-25 14:50:36]
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:52 pm

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 3):
I see FedEx 310s and DC-10s as well.

They are most likely using them for parts.
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:54 pm

Is CS-TMR still sitting at VCV?.
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:58 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 77):
Is CS-TMR still sitting at VCV?.

Yes... and I think she will die there.
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:41 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 77):
Is CS-TMR still sitting at VCV?.

Whats so special about it?

Quoting Beeski (Reply 73):
ran across this FlightGlobal special article on the 40th anniversery of the L-1011. Some gorgeous photos, and a really nice history of my favorite airliner:

Thanks! Some really great pictures!

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 69):
I'm a wuss with anything medical; but, I will don a Speedo Thong and do that Bollywood dance if I could get a chance to fly on this bird!

Hahaha

Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 67):
Rumour has it that they will fly one or 2 in a few years as a fundraiser (raffle ticket) and nostalgia marketing purposes. Sign me up!

Sadly, its just a rumor. I ask one of my friends who is Ex DL 767 (Now in EK), he said the birds are in a pathetic condition. Spares are the only value for this airliner.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 54):
GEnx does, the Trents are all Metal.

Thanks.

So, there are no parts that are "common" between airliners? Like a few things common between the 737 and A320?
Parts that are manufactured today, which are far more advanced, cant work for the existing Tristars?
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:42 pm

Jayeshrulz

Nothing special about CS-TMR, just that Dash500 mentioned it.
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Mon May 07, 2012 1:41 pm

Does anyone know the current status of P4-MED (the "Flying Hospital") or N728DA (the Delta "Belle") that was donated by Delta as a spare parts source for P4-MED?
 
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Mon May 07, 2012 1:45 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 74):
Wish there were more of them around. A beautiful sight and one of my most memorable flights ever, the one and only time I got to fly on one....

I only got to fly on 2 of them . CVG-ZRH July '95. I remember a little about them. I remember the lavs in the back,and I rememberf the f/a had to attach the movie screen to the ceiling. Funny thing is ,I remember being disapointed that we were flying an L1011 and not an MD11.
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Mon May 07, 2012 1:58 pm

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 19):
Some of the DL L1011's look airworthy

According to the FAA they still are. N768DL is still registered (since 2004, valid until 2014) and it has a "current" airworthiness. Same applies to N760DH. Both have as registered owner the Wells & Fargo bank.
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Mon May 07, 2012 2:05 pm

Aren't some versions of the RR RB211 used on L1011's have parts that are no longer available? I remember seeing L1011's scrapped with their engines still attached.
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Mon May 07, 2012 4:00 pm

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 31):
The remaining L-1011-40s, if any, at VCV are owned by JetMidwest that were to be used as part out aircraft. The remaining -500s are owned by Wells Fargo Bank Northwest (WFBN). With the global L-1011 fleet nearly gone except the RAF's, the spares market has evaporated. Its quite more expensive to scrap an aircraft this size than just pay the parking fees, but I surmise that they are now slowly getting scrapped as they 'clean out' the older stuff that's been there a long time.

Thanks for the ownership information. But why pay to scrap? Since they are at a facility, the metal should be worth more than the cost to scrap them. We wouldn't do a pretty tear down and save the parts scrapping... It would be quick and ugly for the metal.

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 31):
As for L-1011 spares, a company called Flight Support in Canada supports the RAF. They purchased most of ATA's L-1011 spares when they went out of business as well as everything Lockheed had left in their spares inventory. I do not believe any of these aircraft at VCV will be used for spares if they have not been already. There simply is no market at all except scrap value.

Which implies the VCV tristars have little parts value.

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 46):
It's costing Delta a Pttance to keep them whole

But it costs. The net benefit for the beer can would be $300k per airframe (approximate guess). Why wouldn't the owners (Wells Fargo or JetMidwest) cash in on that latent value? Unless the shops at VCV were too busy to scrap the planes? If one is truly done with a plane, they can be scrapped in a few weeks with construction tools. I've seen it done... very sad.

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Late edit: I see far more value in the A310/DC-10 for scrap parts. Those two at least have substantial fleets flying. Unfortunately, the L1011 is basically done. I'm aware of only 5-flying examples:
2 for the RAF
1 for Orbital
2 based at VCV that seem to fly the Hajj and that's it. (Are they still?)

I do not see the point in keeping 7 airframes around to support 5 in service aircraft when a Canadian company holds a parts inventory.

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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Mon May 07, 2012 5:20 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 85):
I'm aware of only 5-flying examples:
2 for the RAF
1 for Orbital
2 based at VCV that seem to fly the Hajj and that's it. (Are they still?)

Las Vegas Sands still has one,I think.
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Mon May 07, 2012 5:35 pm

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 81):
Does anyone know the current status of P4-MED (the "Flying Hospital") or N728DA (the Delta "Belle") that was donated by Delta as a spare parts source for P4-MED?

P4-MED is still sitting in Tucson. It sometimes moves position on the ramp, but it hasn't flown in the 10 years I've lived here. The local paper did a story on it in December 2010 about the fundraising running out for the plane. This quote from the story is telling:

Quote:
Meanwhile, as it sits on a patch of pavement at TIA, the Flying Hospital is nearing obsolescence.
Very few L-1011s are still flying today, making it hard to find facilities to do upgrades and maintenance, [Bill] Horan [Operation Blessing's President] said. And there's still the problem of high insurance costs and new security demands.
"I don't see it as impossible that this plane might fly again, but it is very unlikely for a variety of reasons," Horan said. "That being said, we continue to try and find a good home for this plane."
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/flyi...6-4d5f-5903-8071-2a8e2cd8b763.html
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Thu May 17, 2012 3:14 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 87):
P4-MED is still sitting in Tucson. It sometimes moves position on the ramp, but it hasn't flown in the 10 years I've lived here.

Thank you so much for the info and the link to that article. Since P4-MED is basically done I wonder was or will be the fate of N728DA "Delta Belle"?

Quoting United_fan (Reply 84):
Aren't some versions of the RR RB211 used on L1011's have parts that are no longer available?

The RB211-22B powered the early L1011-1 and L1011-100 aircraft. These engines haven't been supported by RR for a long time and was a big reason for the premature retirement of those models. A number of -1s and -100s were converted to -250s by having the RB211-22s replaces with RB211-524s.
 
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Thu May 17, 2012 1:07 pm

The article

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 88):
Quoting chrisair (Reply 87):
P4-MED is still sitting in Tucson. It sometimes moves position on the ramp, but it hasn't flown in the 10 years I've lived here.

Thank you so much for the info and the link to that article. Since P4-MED is basically done I wonder was or will be the fate of N728DA "Delta Belle"?

Quoting United_fan (Reply 84):
Aren't some versions of the RR RB211 used on L1011's have parts that are no longer available?

The RB211-22B powered the early L1011-1 and L1011-100 aircraft. These engines haven't been supported by RR for a long time and was a big reason for the premature retirement of those models. A number of -1s and -100s were converted to -250s by having the RB211-22s replaces with RB211-524s.
Quoting chrisair (Reply 87):
Quote:
Meanwhile, as it sits on a patch of pavement at TIA, the Flying Hospital is nearing obsolescence.
Very few L-1011s are still flying today, making it hard to find facilities to do upgrades and maintenance, [Bill] Horan [Operation Blessing's President] said. And there's still the problem of high insurance costs and new security demands.
"I don't see it as impossible that this plane might fly again, but it is very unlikely for a variety of reasons," Horan said. "That being said, we continue to try and find a good home for this plane."

When that article was written, if the airplane had sat for almost ten years, that would mean it had been parked since 2000. Delta operated their last L-1011 flights with the same aircraft on July 31, 2001, and it flew to VCV the next day. That means that nine years before the article was written, the aircraft was in Delta service. If you check the website, the information about the aircraft has been removed, and when clicking on their website, they only talk about missions they accomplished in the 70's, some 15 years before they acquired the aircraft. The aircraft parked at TUC is not N728DL. It is the Flying Hospital L-1011 that Delta donated N728DA to support for spares etc. It appears however, that the Flying Hospital never flew after Delta donated N728DA. So where is N728DA, as it went to Marana, not VCV.

[Edited 2012-05-17 06:32:20]
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Thu May 17, 2012 2:30 pm

I'm sure after baking in the desert sun for 12 years every peice of rubber is dry-rotted. They will never fly agin,just like the Convairs @ MHV.
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Thu May 17, 2012 8:23 pm

According to www.airfleets.net N728DA has been scrapped, but does not say when.

www.eucomairlines.de says that it is stored, but it is last reported on 20/07/2007.
 
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RE: Delta's Lockheed L-1011 Tristar Still At VCV. Why?

Fri May 18, 2012 6:41 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 85):
I do not see the point in keeping 7 airframes around to support 5 in service aircraft when a Canadian company holds a parts inventory.

All it takes is money! If anyone wins the mega-lottery, well see this type and a few others fly again perhaps!  

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