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Quoting delta2ual (Reply 4): The article said they spent $1.5 Billion on fuel. Is that correct? |
Quoting stlgph (Reply 5): AirTran fees to remain for 3 years. |
Quoting delta2ual (Reply 4): Operating Revenues of $4.0 Billion and net income of $98 million. Fuel is really hurting the bottom line. The article said they spent $1.5 Billion on fuel. |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 11): In other words, the 737 MAX's 10% to 12% fuel burn reduction is a $150 million to $180 million per quarter cost savings. |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 7): Just for fun they should put some 'Bags $25 here' on the Airtran cargo hold. |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 7): Arg ... this is so hypocritical. |
Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 15): I agree that it appears hypocritical. However, as long as the two carriers are running independently as two separate brands, I'm not sure how WN could just eliminate the bag fees and keep the AirTran side profitable. |
Quoting WNCrew (Reply 16): Hilton owns Hilton and Doubletree, two SEPARATE brands, and I don't expect a cookie upon checkin at Hilton...because it's NOT part of the brand. |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 17): WN have said they WANT to roll FL into the WN brand - One paint job, seating layout, etc ... hence the hipocracy. |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 17): WN have said they WANT to roll FL into the WN brand |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 17): hence the hipocracy. |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 17): WN doesn't want FL cornering any niche part of the market via a seperate brand like Hitlon is doing with Doubletree. |
Quoting WNCrew (Reply 20): Hypocrisy would be if all the FL planes were painted in WN colors etc but WN said, "Well since they were originally FL we're charging for bags on those flights." |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 21): Right but they are parking their planes right next to Airtran planes with the "Bags Fly Free" here slogan. So essentially, they are attacking their own wholly owned subsidary. |
Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 23): Isn't every airline that is operating "first class" on regional aircraft doing the same thing? |
Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 23): Isn't every airline that is operating "first class" on regional aircraft doing the same thing? I mean the core of this argument/attack on the FL bag fee is that they are the same company (or owned by at least). However for example the United mainline int'l first class experience is different than the United Express first class experience...even though it is the same brand, right? Well no...because one is Express the other is mainline. Though I guess you could take it up a notch and compare United mainline domestic FC and int'l FC. Exact same brand but the customer experience is completely different. |
Quote: The company said it incurred $13 million in expenses, before taxes, associated with the acquisition and integration of AirTran. It expects the total cost of acquiring AirTran to reach about $500 million. |
Quoting gustywinds (Reply 25): How much will FL end up costing WN? |
Quoting gustywinds (Reply 25): All I can do is recall those obnoxious WN commercials with WN ramp agents pointing at the other airlines with blurred out tails bragging about WN bags flying free. Those other airlines are themselves now with FL. Ridiculous |
Quoting stlgph (Reply 22): The bag fees are clearly a bellwether and a revenue source. |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 24): I understand that they need to get integrated and right now the two are two seperate companies but WN made a choice to collect extra revenue via FL's baggage fees and I find it hypocritical. I get that a lot of you disagree which is why I love hearing both sides on A.net |
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 29): I wager it would cost WN too much money to scrap FL's bag fees at this time. FL wasn't doing the greatest anyway, and losing that revenue stream with FL's business model still in place is asking for pain on the bottom line. |
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 29): I wager it would cost WN too much money to scrap FL's bag fees at this time. FL wasn't doing the greatest anyway, and losing that revenue stream with FL's business model still in place is asking for pain on the bottom line. |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 31): Then I will propose what a lot of other members have been asking ... why buy FL in the first place if they were losing money and the only way to keep the company from bleeding too much money is to charge a fee your company's marketing team rip on constantly. Was it for ATL ? Was it to reduce a competitor ? Again I agree it is smart business on WN's part ... I just see some backlash. |
Quoting chuchoteur (Reply 12): ...and now you know why everyone's running to buy NEOs and MAXs |
Quoting toltommy (Reply 14): How about "Bags fly fee"???? |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 31): why buy FL in the first place |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 34): Quoting WNCrew (Reply 20): Hypocrisy would be if all the FL planes were painted in WN colors Which they are currently doing ... |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 34): Which they are currently doing ... |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 31): Was it for ATL ? |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 31): Was it to reduce a competitor ? |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 33): I tried to book WN twice in 1Q2012 |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 33): WN needs to get over their allergy to corporate travel agency. |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 33): IMHO, having such a good last minute business product is wasted if AMEX, Carlson Wagonlit, and other corporate travel services are excluded. |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 34): Which they are currently doing ... |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 33): Carlson Wagonlit, |
Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 37): You won't see a WN painted former FL aircraft running FL branded flights/operations. After they are repainted and refitted they go onto WN branded flights. So no, that isn't what they are doing exactly. WN metal isn't operating on FL branded ops. |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 24): Not really understanding your argument. WN has built their business model around the campaign of "Bags Fly Free". UA hasn't build their business completely around their F/C cabin. Its a small part of them while WN's main benefit statement to their customers is Bags fly free and no change fees. |
Quoting gustywinds (Reply 25): No, it is not the same thing. It is nothing more than a different a/c type. The policies (frequent flyer points, bag fees) are all the same. |
Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 39): What I'm getting from people is that they expect the customer experience to be the same on FL as it is on WN. |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 40): Yes , because WN has announced the acquisition/merger whatever, a while ago and announces FL routes on their website. So if I am loyal WN customer and I know they fully own FL and WN tells me to fly MDW-CUN on FL I would be suprised to find the 25 dollar fee as I know FL is owned by WN. Customers are expecting one company which in reality is not a possibility to do in such a short time frame ... one easy they thing they could done to align the companies is waive the bag fee. |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 40): However , ATRUDE777 just posted that FL/WN points can be traded now which is a huge step in the right direction. |
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 36): Then you weren't using www.swabiz.com |
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 36): they have them |
Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 37): Of course most of the time I just pick up the phone to speak to someone, which of course is taboo these days. |
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 38): Quoting lightsaber (Reply 33): Carlson Wagonlit, They recently added WN. |
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 9): RASM /PRASM increase of just 2 to 3% (AA reported a 10% jump, UA is expected at 4 to 5% increase, and DL is expecting about 12-13%). |