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EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:35 am

So, we know about the following:
MAN-TLV
BFS-BHX
BRS-CPH

Rumours suggest that some of the next new rotues to be opened are:
NCL-AMS
LGW-IOM

And a few more from LGW as well....anyone heard what these may be?
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:17 am

SEN-GVA
SEN-VCE

I know GVA was announced earlier this month but I hadn't seen anything about VCE until recently and that it will go on sale next week as another new winter destination.
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:28 am

Seems like a fair amount of UK expansion going on for U2.
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:31 am

Kirkie,

I heard they are gonna pull a Southwest and start LCY - JFK.

  
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:03 am

Quoting gkirk (Thread starter):

Weren't the rumours more about SEN-IOM than LGW-IOM? As LGW-IOM is already well established with BE, whereas LGW-SEN could benefit from the disappearance of LCY services from IOM. I think the speculation is that LPL-IOM will go double daily and the LPL-based aircraft will do a W-pattern LPL-IOM-SEN-IOM-LPL.
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:33 am

U2 opened a base in Lisbon today with 2 aircraft and 21 routes! They intend to base 5 to 7 aircraft at LIS
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:52 am

When is BRS-CPH going to be announced?
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:04 am

Quoting trb10 (Reply 6):
When is BRS-CPH going to be announced?

Well, it won't be the first time EZY has served CPH from BRS as this link from December 2003 shows: http://www.easyjet.com/en/news/20031217_01.html
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:15 am

Also a new LGW-IOM service have just been announced! http://holidayblog.easyjet.com/new-routes-launched-across-the-uk/
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:05 am

I saw Easyjet started flying to the Canaries from Madrid again after the summer. And Ryanair for example will leave the MAD-ACE route. 2 years ago it was the other way around.
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:14 am

Rumours of LPL - LGW. I can't see it myself
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:15 am

Quoting flybehubby (Reply 11):
Rumours of LPL - LGW. I can't see it myself

That'd be an absurd route.
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:34 am

Quoting kl911 (Reply 10):
I saw Easyjet started flying to the Canaries from Madrid again after the summer. And Ryanair for example will leave the MAD-ACE route. 2 years ago it was the other way around.

Where you here about RYR stopping MAD-ACE? with Spanair gone some days they are up to three flights each way.
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:34 am

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 12):

Not sure I'd go that far. With easyJet heading towards being more of a mainstream carrier I think connections (only to other ezy flights) are next. Ezy now has a fantastic on time performance so the "cost" of re-accommodating passengers day to day should be minimal - I know this is a reason for not allowing connections upto now. Lgw has 90+ ezy routes many of which with high frequency, a hub and spoke model from Lgw could work - APD would be the main issue. People could also "connect" (collect luggage and re check in) onto the BA and VS long haul routes. In addition, ezy pilot sim training is done at Lgw and an increasing number of cabin crew initial and refresher training courses. Logistically for moving flight deck and cabin crew (to/from LPL and MAN base to LGW) could save them a fortune in crew transport. Add the LGW aircraft maintainance base into the equation and the route looks more favourable than just o&d LPL - LGW traffic.
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:58 am

Quoting flybehubby (Reply 14):
. Add the LGW aircraft maintainance base

They have a maintenence base? I thought it was all third party like handling?
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:12 pm

Quoting flybehubby (Reply 13):
Not sure I'd go that far

I would, especially when EZY themselves said LPL-LON could never be profitable - and that was with lower fuel prices and before quicker and more frequent trains.

I would be gob-smacked if LPL-LGW materialised.
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:22 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 15):

I said in my original post, I don't think it'll happen but the route itself doesn't need to be profitable if it's cost saving and or providing feeding traffic to other (high) profit routes.
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:34 pm

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 4):
Weren't the rumours more about SEN-IOM than LGW-IOM? As LGW-IOM is already well established with BE, whereas LGW-SEN could benefit from the disappearance of LCY services from IOM.

To correct my above post, apparently it is indeed LGW-IOM, a 4 times weekly afternoon flight.
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:35 pm

Quoting flybehubby (Reply 16):
I don't think it'll happen but the route itself doesn't need to be profitable if it's cost saving and or providing feeding traffic to other (high) profit routes.

EZY isn't some kind of legacy airline! No doubt it wants, like FR, all its routes to be profitable. Moreover, it doesn't - and I can't imagine it will ever or at least for a long time - provide intraline or interline connections.

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 17):
a 4 times weekly afternoon flight.

6-weekly: http://corporate.easyjet.com/media/l...news-year-2012/20-04-2012a-en.aspx

Also, that link also indicates 2 other new routes from LGW:

TLL: 4x weekly
TRN: 2x weekly

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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:51 pm

 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:10 pm

Quoting DunaA320 (Reply 19):
Add LGW-LUX to that as well!

Wow! They have been on a (kind of) announcement spree today!
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:00 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 18):
EZY isn't some kind of legacy airline! No doubt it wants, like FR, all its routes to be profitable. Moreover, it doesn't - and I can't imagine it will ever or at least for a long time - provide intraline or interline connections.

Whilst I don't see LPL-LGW being in the mix of new routes, I too feel that interline/connections is the next step. Whether that be in the traditional sense or a "new concept" I am not sure however in a recent interview Carolyn McCall, Easyjet's CEO, has said that she hasn't discounted interline/connections and alliances IF it makes sense.

Carolyn isn't trying to create a legacy airline but she does appear to be taking the airline more 'upmarket' (don't really like that term), and speaking of terms, she doesn't like Easyjet to be described as 'low cost'. With it comes the continued focus on the business passenger where required, the flexi ticket aswell as the allocated seating trial. A new lightweight seat is being looked at to update the cabins and a new crew uniform is being rumoured for next year.

Whilst certainly a low cost carrier, regadless of what Carolyn says, Easyjet isn't the bare minimum carrier it once was. It has gradually felt that way since I joined from GB 4 years ago. A natural evolution could conceivably lead to some kind of interline or co-operation with another carrier. Certainly the brand licesning row with Stelios 18 months ago surrounded the whole concept of brand relationships with other businesses.....within, but not exclusively, the travel sector.
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting gkirk (Thread starter):
LGW-IOM
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 4):
Weren't the rumours more about SEN-IOM than LGW-IOM? As LGW-IOM is already well established with BE, whereas LGW-SEN could benefit from the disappearance of LCY services from IOM. I think the speculation is that LPL-IOM will go double daily and the LPL-based aircraft will do a W-pattern LPL-IOM-SEN-IOM-LPL.

This is what I had heard too. But...

Quoting santos (Reply 8):

Also a new LGW-IOM service have just been announced! http://holidayblog.easyjet.com/new-r...e-uk/

...that is actually more interesting and is further evidence that easyJet are not afraid to go head to head with FlyBe on some of their key routes. A couple of others I have heard rumored are LGW/SEN-NQY and MAN-NQY, the latter probably seasonal.


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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:32 pm

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 21):
I too feel that interline/connections is the next step

It may happen; after all, EZY is increasingly like WN which offers connections. But I personally don't see it happening for a few years yet - and it won't involve silly routes like LPL-LGW. But we shall see if connections do indeed materialise.  Wink

 
Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 21):
she doesn't like Easyjet to be described as 'low cost'.

Indeed.



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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:58 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 9):
I saw Easyjet started flying to the Canaries from Madrid again after the summer. And Ryanair for example will leave the MAD-ACE route. 2 years ago it was the other way around.

Maybe you are confussed with I2 (Iberia Express flights) instead U2...
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:04 pm

Still interested in where the rumor RYR pulling MAD-ACE (and others?) has come from....
Anyway nil on the easyjet website to suggest they are looking at re-starting MAD-ACE or FUE
at this stage
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:07 pm

This thread actually makes me wonder if VS are missing a trick here with EZY's operation at Gatwick. Maybe they should be offering EZY an incentive for feeding in traffic onto their long haul routes.. maybe even going as far as offering them as full connecting tickets with codesharing numbers so, for example Virgin cold offer EDI/BFS/GLA links included in the price with the same follow on baggage limits (same as VS that is, not EZY!)

Then they could compete on this level with BA
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:17 pm

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 12):
Where you here about RYR stopping MAD-ACE? with Spanair gone some days they are up to three flights each way.

Last Ryanair flight is Oct 27 unfortunately. Source www.ryanair.com. Its a shame because i always go in November and April.
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:44 pm

Quoting BeakerLTN (Reply 26):
This thread actually makes me wonder if VS are missing a trick here with EZY's operation at Gatwick. Maybe they should be offering EZY an incentive for feeding in traffic onto their long haul routes.. maybe even going as far as offering them as full connecting tickets with codesharing numbers so, for example Virgin cold offer EDI/BFS/GLA links included in the price with the same follow on baggage limits (same as VS that is, not EZY!)

Then they could compete on this level with BA

Not so easy given the fact that EZY do not interline and do not have IATA ticketing capabilities.

They are increasing their offerings via the GDS channels but I think any interline/codeshare arrangement as you suggest could be a long way off.
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting gkirk (Thread starter):
Rumours suggest that some of the next new rotues to be opened are:
NCL-AMS

Also confirmed by U2

http://corporate.easyjet.com/media/l...s/news-year-2012/20-04-12c-en.aspx
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:53 pm

GLA-CPH would be good once BMI vanishes.
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:36 pm

What about LGW-BEY? They have started Amman, Tel Aviv , Luxor.. Beirut would be fab!
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:47 am

Flights from CDG or ORY to BEY and TLV would be an excellent idea!
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:36 am

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 32):
Flights from CDG or ORY to BEY and TLV would be an excellent idea!

Impossible unless easyJet started easyJet France or easyJet Lebanon (for BEY) or easyJet Israel (for TLV) - all with separate AOCs - or EU-Lebanon or EU-Israel created open skies akin to Morocco-EU.

Quoting raffik (Reply 31):
What about LGW-BEY? They have started Amman, Tel Aviv , Luxor.. Beirut would be fab!

Would they have traffic rights?

[Edited 2012-04-21 04:36:46]
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:28 pm

Any new routes from Luton in the pipeline?

So just to clarify as rhw post has become a little fragmented, these are the new routes announced so far this week?

Birmingham - Belfast Int
Manchester - Tel Aviv
Gatwick - Isle of Man
Gatwick - Turin
Gatwick - Luxembourg
Gatwick - Tallin
Newcastle - Amsterdam
Bristol - Copenhagen
Southend - Geneva
Southend - Venice
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:53 pm

Quoting gkirk (Thread starter):
MAN-TLV

How come it's MAN-TLV and not LPL-TLV.
Isn't another airline already flying MAN-TLV?
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:03 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 35):
How come it's MAN-TLV and not LPL-TLV.
Isn't another airline already flying MAN-TLV?

Possibly because Manchester has one of Europe's largest Jewish communities just 9 miles from the airport, and is one of easyJets longer sector departure points.

Liverpool is contracting in the eyes of both Ryan and Easy at the moment.
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:18 pm

Thinking about it, how would an easyJet A319/320 fare year around from LPL's runway to TLV? Would a TORA/ASDA of 2,222m be sufficient?


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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:12 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 37):

Thinking about it, how would an easyJet A319/320 fare year around from LPL's runway to TLV? Would a TORA/ASDA of 2,222m be sufficient?

Pretty sure range/runway length would not be a problem for Speke. easyJet do fly to Southern Turkey already, however just don't think there is sufficient custom is in the area unlike Manchester.
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:42 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 33):

Beirut operates an open sky policy which was introduced after the war to attract airlines.
Anyone* can operate, as long as the flights are not operating on aircraft over a certin age I believe
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:04 am

Quoting raffik (Reply 39):
Beirut operates an open sky policy which was introduced after the war to attract airlines.

Do you have proof that there is open skies between Lebanon and the EU? I would genuinely be interested in reading it. I have found a few articles, dating from 2004, that say they're planning it, etc.

Regarding Israel-EU open skies, progress was made in March this year - and will start from 1st April 2013 - for a five-year introduction with full open skies at the end of those five years. In the meantime, a set number of weekly frequencies to particular destinations will be released each year until those five years are up. Source: http://www.haaretz.com/business/isra...ies-aviation-deal-with-eu-1.420288
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:35 am

LIS-ATH/PDL/BFS/PMI/VLC/RAK/TFS/TLV/PRG/SID are all rumoured - that will be good if it comes off.
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:19 am

Quoting lisbonbearuk (Reply 41):

LIS-ATH/PDL/BFS/PMI/VLC/RAK/TFS/TLV/PRG/SID are all rumoured - that will be good if it comes off.

SID would be interesting - and possible following Cape Verde-EU open skies. http://www.capeverde.com/islands-new...en-sky-aviation-agreement-103.html

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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:05 pm

Quoting lisbonbearuk (Reply 41):

No offence, but you're the only one with those rumours and you have been mentioning them for ages now! I guess if the market was there U2 would have started them! Not even TP can make ATH work year round with all the connections possible, I doubt U2 would!
 
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:23 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 40):
Do you have proof that there is open skies between Lebanon and the EU?

It was initiated in 2000. It makes it easy for airlines to operate in and out of Beirut and was developed to
encourage airlines to the airport at a time where few airlines had services to Beirut. It certainly has worked-
but Beirut remains very high yield and expensive to get to. Direct flights in the region of £500 , rising in the summer period. There are currently 4 daily flights between London and Beirut but the fares are ridiculous for a 4 hour service!
Simon Calder has suggested to Ryanair and easy jet that they start services!

"Proof", as requested

http://legacy.icao.int/icao/en/atb/e...udies/StatesReplies/Lebanon_En.pdf

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...launched-at-beirut-airport-123177/
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:03 pm

I'm pretty sure that what you mentioned, and the links you provided, doesn't refer to EU-Lebanon open skies given your ICAO link scarcely mentions Europe and your FG link doesn't mention it at all.

A variety of countries have already signed agreements with the EU - including within the Balkans and Morocco, Jordan, Georgia, Moldova - and the EU is apparently negotiating, based on an article from March this year*, with Ukraine, Lebanon, Azerbaijan, and Tunisia.

* http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=263083



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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:31 pm

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 45):

I'm pretty sure that what you mentioned, and the links you provided, doesn't refer to EU-Lebanon

Here is the link which details specifically the Eu-Lebanon agreement which allows European airlines un restricted access to Beirut and also allows Lebanon's two airlines to serve any destination in Europe, slot permitting of course.
At the time of signing this agreement with the European Commission (EC), it was the only country in the region to benefit from this agreement.


http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Business...-airline-policy.ashx#axzz1sn4bFcuB
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:00 pm

Quoting raffik (Reply 46):
Here is the link which details specifically the Eu-Lebanon agreement

But the first thing it said was: "Lebanon and the European Union will soon sign a landmark "open skies" agreement." It didn't actually say it had - and for all we want, it may not have done.

It is not that I'm arguing with you. Instead, there seems to be a lot of conflicting and uncertain information.
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:23 pm

I can guarantee that it is in place. It's been operating for a number of years. It allowed Snowflake, Air Baltic to enter Beirut and allows for Syrian Arab's services out of Beirut to Brussels. The policy also allowed MEA to go from 5 weekly flights to daily. It has been a real asset in turning round Beirut airport's fortunes.

It would be great to get easyjet to the country, they would do well here . Let's see what happens! Great to see the expansion from Southend. Where next?
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RE: EasyJet New Routes?

Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:24 pm

Quoting raffik (Reply 48):

I can guarantee that it is in place. It's been operating for a number of years.

I've been browsing through the EU Rapid system, which contains all agreements and announcement of agreements, and a open skies agreement with Lebanon isn't signed yet. Negotiations have been ongoing since 2004 (the date of the article you posted), but nothing has been signed.

The unrest in the area is most likely to blame for the process.

The most recent information is from 22 March 2012, when the EU announced finalizing the negotiations with Israel (Open Skies will be gradually implemented and become fully in effect in 2017), where it states:

Quote:

Similar comprehensive aviation agreements with neighbouring countries have already been negotiated with the Western Balkan countries, Morocco, Jordan, Georgia and Moldova and negotiations are ongoing with Ukraine and Lebanon and are planned to soon start with Azerbaijan and Tunisia.
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en

Quoting raffik (Reply 48):
It allowed Snowflake, Air Baltic to enter Beirut and allows for Syrian Arab's services out of Beirut to Brussels. The policy also allowed MEA to go from 5 weekly flights to daily. It has been a real asset in turning round Beirut airport's fortunes.

It's very well possible that since 2004, individual air agreements between Lebanon and EU countries have been widened a few times. But Snowflake not Air Baltic needed EU / Lebanon open skies, but most notable they needed agreements between their governments and Lebanon.

Quoting raffik (Reply 44):
"Proof", as requested

Your "proof" doesn't mention a bilateral open skies agreement. The FlightGlobal article mentions nothing more than that Lebanon airport is taking a more open position in trying to attract airlines. But the airport cannot introduce 'open skies'.

The ICAO article also mentions that it's an unilateral relaxation within current agreements:

Quote:

The new cabinet, which came into office in November 2000, announced various
economic reform measures, including the adoption of an “open skies” policy. This unilateral liberalization
policy immediately lifted restrictions on aircraft capacity and frequencies relating to Third, Fourth and Fifth
Freedom traffic rights with an objective of increasing air passenger and cargo traffic and of boosting the
country’s ailing economy.


'Open Skies' isn't a very strictly defined term, but for EU aviation relations it usually means:
- To allow carriers from each EU member state to operate flights to/from the EU and another country
- To not impose any restrictions on fares, number of flights, capacity, equipment and destinations

It's also not, that you need open skies for an LCC to operate. Within traditional ASA's, LCCs can become a designated carrier just as much as traditional carriers. Just look how U2 serves Egypt. It's just less common.

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Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos