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Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:56 pm

So, this is a question that's been burning me for quite some time now. We all know that DL once had a pretty sizeable non -ER 763 fleet. 24 actually, at its peak. I do not want to post incorrect information so I won't post numbers (I have not looked @ the active fleet in months) but aside from the ones flying now, there are still several in long-term storage that were suppose to return to service this PAST summer but never did. In fact, it was announced in a memo during W10 that along with the cabin mods, etc. etc., these frames were to return to service for the S11 schedule so not all speculation.

My personal feelings are that they may never fly for DL again. We have 739s coming online next year and DL outright said that they plan to use the capacity to replace 320s, 757s, and 763. It leads you to wonder if in the end, the fleet will just be very small or will all be retired once it's all said and done. The only saving grace is the fact that 4 are ETOPS certified; ships 1401 -1404. The ones with the big PWs.

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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:59 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
there are still several in long-term storage

Appears that 5 are in storage
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:09 pm

757-300's would be the likely replacement candidate.
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:14 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 2):
757-300's would be the likely replacement candidate.

The 753 is no longer in production.

Perhaps once the 787s arrive, some of the 763ERs might be converted to domestic use, similar to how the L-1011s flew only domestic routes towards the end of their service lives. I'd expect the four ETOPS non-ER 763s to remain in service well past the rest of the fleet.
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:18 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 2):
757-300's would be the likely replacement candidate.

Indeed they are. They are great airplanes and can sit just as much as a 767-300.

I for one am not a fan of 737-900 and really not excited about seeing them come online....I understand how the 737 is great airplane for any airline but just like the MD family they are nightmare on the ramp, just my two cents
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:28 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):

I think he meant within the fleet. I.e. 753s flying what the 763s are currently flying. That would sort of make sense because the word has been that the 75As will be moved to fund Hawaii ops once all are converted to the domestic config. Not sure if the conversion process has already started but there is paperwork for it and a target date. All done inconjuction with the current domestic EC mods so some time this year.

Although I don't see it happpening for several more years on a "full-on" scale but eventually I think you'll see 753s dominate the likes of LAX-ATL, LAS-ATL, SEA-ATL, etc etc and the many other routes that catch the 76Q regularly.

As for the 76ERs moving to the domestic front; I don't see it. DL is spending a boatload of money to have them all converted to current spec (lie-flat seats, crew rest etc). I don't see them spending that kind of money only to convert them back to a profitable domestic configuration.
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:57 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
I think he meant within the fleet. I.e. 753s flying what the 763s are currently flying. That would sort of make sense because the word has been that the 75As will be moved to fund Hawaii ops once all are converted to the domestic config. Not sure if the conversion process has already started but there is paperwork for it and a target date. All done inconjuction with the current domestic EC mods so some time this year.

The 753s are already being used on some pretty busy routes, though, like SEA-MSP. If the 753s go elsewhere, what replaces them? 739ERs are another step down the capacity ladder.

Althouhg a 753 has a good number of seats, it can't the cargo capacity of a widebody. That might play into DL fleet planning as well.
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:14 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
As for the 76ERs moving to the domestic front; I don't see it. DL is spending a boatload of money to have them all converted to current spec (lie-flat seats, crew rest etc). I don't see them spending that kind of money only to convert them back to a profitable domestic configuration.

As I said, I'd expect the four ETOPS non-ER 763s to remain in service well after the rest of the fleet, possibly into the early 2020s. These aircraft are considerably newer than the rest of the fleet, the newest being N144DA built in 1999. When the time comes to retire them, I'd expect DL will convert a few remaining 763ERs into domestic configuration as the 763ER fleet gets replaced by 787s on international routes.
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:34 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):

I wasnt disputing the fact that the 1400s will still. Im saying i dont see ANY of the 763ERs returning to domestic service. Not after the amount of money they are spending on them now. Just my opinion though.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 6):

True, but i guess what i mean is the 753 fleet is near identical the the 'active' 76Q fleet. Sorry to say it but yes, you will see more and more 739s doing the job that 753s and 76Qs once did. Step down in capacity yes but at some point you have to trade off the amount of seats you can sell versus the cost to actually operate the fram 752/753/763 vs 739s.

As for cargo, you're absolutely right. The potential won't be there on the 757s/739s vs the widebodies. I will make one not that the 76Qs are already very restrictive on what they can carry due to to smaller cargo door up front vs whats found on the -ERs. It had been asked some time in the past to RA if they every planned on moding the doors to accept full size PMC pallets and the answer was no because the cost to ROI wasnt there even with the ability to upsell on larger cargo shipments.

However, -ERs will always reposition throughout the system and this is where the bulk of the cargo come back to the hubs suck as Atlanta on the single -ER flight SFO-ATL, widebodies on LAX-ATL, and the daily -ER, JFK-ATL. After that, everything is broken down for the narrowbody flights like they already do.

As RA said, they will comee off the line ETOPS certified so you know what that means  

[Edited 2012-04-30 15:43:46]
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:50 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
That would sort of make sense because the word has been that the 75As will be moved to fund Hawaii ops once all are converted to the domestic config. Not sure if the conversion process has already started but there is paperwork for it and a target date. All done inconjuction with the current domestic EC mods so some time this year.

It looks like they are doing the mods in SAT and the first one will be out tomorrow - N537US. The seat map is still hiding rows 5 and 6 (the rows appear, but the seats don't), but it is showing 5 seats available in F while only 1 is selectable on the seat map. I would guess they just haven't updated the maps yet. N535US went in on 4/18 and N538US goes in tonight.
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:13 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 4):
just like the MD family they are nightmare on the ramp, just my two cents

If it's any consolation, I believe the 900ERs have magic carpets...
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:42 pm

Thanks Tim. I saw the date before and knew it was coming up but I couldn't remember what it was. From what I ready the whole fleet should be converted in about 2 months.

[Edited 2012-04-30 16:45:27]
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 12:22 am

What is the new 75A config? Will they match the 75Vs?

I did notice that LAX-HNL has a 75E scheduled this summer!
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 2:51 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
Perhaps once the 787s arrive,

That's in 2020, and I think the non-ER 763s are gonna have to be retired before that.

I think that I read somewhere that the 739 is supposed to replace them.
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 4:57 am

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 6):
it can't the cargo capacity of a widebody. That might play into DL fleet planning as well.

Well, that would be a first................  
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 5:01 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
I think that I read somewhere that the 739 is supposed to replace them.

How can you replace a plane with 280 seats with a plane with 190 seats?

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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 7:40 am

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 10):
If it's any consolation, I believe the 900ERs have magic carpets...

Oh I hope so, we have enough problems in the 800s without the carpets....
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 7:45 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 16):

Oh I hope so, we have enough problems in the 800s without the carpets....

What kind of problems are you talking about?
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 7:49 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 17):
What kind of problems are you talking about?

Wasted man power because you have to have two people in the pit. Shifted loads because of the downline stations stacking style. Damage from throwing bags across the pit
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 11:52 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
As for the 76ERs moving to the domestic front; I don't see it. DL is spending a boatload of money to have them all converted to current spec (lie-flat seats, crew rest etc). I don't see them spending that kind of money only to convert them back to a profitable domestic configuration.

Absolutely. Their current use on longhaul TATL, Transpac, and to South America keeps the cycles lower and will extend useful life. Damn fine aircraft which DL has found great uses for.

Expect the "when will DL retire the 763" threads to take the place of NW DC-9 threads that refuse to die....
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 11:59 am

Delta has many old 767s which are nearing retirement age, I´m surprised the non-ERs made it for so long.
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 1:44 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 4):
I for one am not a fan of 737-900 and really not excited about seeing them come online....

I'm not either. My first flight was on sunday with UA and besides uncomfortable seats, the 739's performance is pretty crappy.
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 3:00 pm

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 2):
757-300's would be the likely replacement candidate.

Flight attendants and passengers LOATHE the -300. If you are in the aft section during turbulence you get thrown all over the place. We all have seen beverage carts hit the ceilings.

Another consideration is that there were relatively few of them made. If United decided to unload the CO ones they might be interested. And some of the European charter carriers love them for vacationers because they can cram lots of bodies into it.

I know DL sold some of the non-ER 767's to Ryan Air--I recall seeing them being painted in ATL.

Some pilots I know have complained that the -300 is underpowered, unlike the -200 which is a sky rocket. Take off out of DCA with a light load and she'll be at 1,000 feet by the time it crosses the runway threshold. Plus there have been a few tail drags on rotation of the -300....not a conversation any captain wants to have with the Chief Pilot.
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 3:06 pm

I was able to fly on N124DE, DL's second oldest 763 last Friday from MSP-SEA. It was showing it's age, but it was still in pretty good shape. That bird is nearly twenty-five years old!
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 3:18 pm

One question: Can the 739ER do SLC-HNL? It seems a bit long.
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 3:49 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):

There is no Big PW, All they need to is change the Data plug from 56K throust to 62K thrust There's NOWHERE they can't fly vthem unless the Center fuel tanks are NON existant Which I doubt, There's a Mod to activate those as Well. We did it at United It's a matter of Do you Want to spend the Money? or Not?? Obviously they Don't need the Airplanes
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 3:54 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 24):

Hell no. The plane can barely do EWR-LAX during the winter.
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 5:45 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 25):

You don't understand what i'm saying...

Delta's non -ER 767s carry the more under-powered GE-CF variant. Ships 1401 - 1404 are the only ones that have the PW4000s slung under the wing (@ the same rating as the ERs). Saying "big PWs" is just a slang term some of us use when comparing then to the rest of the GE powered fleet.
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 6:17 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 27):

Delta's non -ER 767s carry the more under-powered GE-CF variant. Ships 1401 - 1404 are the only ones that have the PW4000s slung under the wing (@ the same rating as the ERs). Saying "big PWs" is just a slang term some of us use when comparing then to the rest of the GE powered fleet.

the 767-332s have GE CF6-80A2s and PW4060(only the 4 ETOPS birds). The 767-332ERs have PW4060, GE CF6-80C2B6F. The 767-3P6ERs have GE CF6-80C2B6s and the lone 767-324ER has GE CF6-80C2B6Fs.

FWIW all 21 767-432ERs have GE CF6-80C2B8FG01s.

As ASA says most people call the 767-332s with PW4060s the ones with "big" Pratts because compared to the rest of the 767-332(with CF6s) fleet they are higher powered.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
. 24

28. 4 went to HA during BK.

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 25):

UA doesn't, or didn't have any 767-300s. They had 767-322ERs. Delta's 767-332s are true 767-332As(about the only area that you see them is short haul Asia from airlines like JL. HA does have 4x 767-332s). Its not simple paper work changes. Delta did have 767-332ERs that, like UA, were domestic aircraft, but all the 767-300s that could be converted to international ships were done so during BK.

think about when UA took 767-222s and made them ETOPS and such(but still not ERs)....would be the same kind of thing here.
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 6:39 pm

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 28):

thanks for that. I knew I wasnt crazy. Its no secret that the range on the non -ERs is just not there to do international stuff because they are true non -ERs. The extra tanks do not exhist. Couple with the fact that like I saw the forward door is much smaller and cannot take a full PMC.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 24):

The -900 is a pig. I'm not sure its possible even on SLC's RWs considering OAT during the summer months. Probably if
they block 4-5 seats. Thats a good 1000lbs is saved weight but then again, we'll always have 757s soldiering on well pastthe life of the 76Q to do the job  

As a comparison, the -800 that has much better performance is sometimes weight restricted on DL's JFK-SEA nd thats from JFK's sea level RWs where the air is much more rich!
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 7:28 pm

Does anyone know if stored ship N173DL is going to return to service?
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 7:50 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 18):
Wasted man power because you have to have two people in the pit.

I think with any mainline plane that lacks a magic carpet, you're going to have 2 people in the pit so that's clearly not a defining reason here. Though I will agree, unstacking a full -800 rear bin is a nightmare. Not to mention the door is slightly uphill of the rest of the bin, meaning you have to throw it that much harder to get it all the way up.
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Tue May 01, 2012 10:11 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 29):

The -900 is a pig. I'm not sure its possible even on SLC's RWs considering OAT during the summer months. Probably if
they block 4-5 seats. Thats a good 1000lbs is saved weight but then again, we'll always have 757s soldiering on well pastthe life of the 76Q to do the job  

As a comparison, the -800 that has much better performance is sometimes weight restricted on DL's JFK-SEA nd thats from JFK's sea level RWs where the air is much more rich!

The hope is Delta goes with the 27K motors vs 24s like I believe UAL has on its 900ERs.

but at the end of the day, its no 757 with PW2037s on the wings. This is why, IMO, Boeing is going to end up doing a real 757 replacement, but I also don't believe TATL is the only thing airlines need them for. A 737-900ER is going to have a hard time with routes like LAX-MCO/TPA/MIA and SLC/DEN/PHX/LAS/TUS- east coast runs. Also stuff like LAX-BOS....but what do i know.    
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 29):
Its no secret that the range on the non -ERs is just not there to do international stuff because they are true non -ERs. The extra tanks do not exhist. Couple with the fact that like I saw the forward door is much smaller and cannot take a full PMC.

and like I said, a lot of people think these birds are 300ERs when they are really 300As.
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Wed May 02, 2012 12:09 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 32):

Leads me to wonder what the long term strategic plans for the 76Qs. With the way they are currently scheduled, they're fairly underutilized so any ramp-up in schedule could easily be funded by what they have now. So unless they see the need for more capacity on some of these routes I don't know when we'll see them pulled out the sand box.
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Wed May 02, 2012 12:52 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 15):
How can you replace a plane with 280 seats with a plane with 190 seats?

...by increasing the number of flights.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 32):
The hope is Delta goes with the 27K motors vs 24s like I believe UAL has on its 900ERs.

UAs have 26K I believe.
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Wed May 02, 2012 1:59 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 34):

What's the longest route currently being operated with UA 739ERs?
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Wed May 02, 2012 2:29 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 35):
What's the longest route currently being operated with UA 739ERs?

EWR-LAX/SFO are about as far as UA pushes the aircraft...during the winter they have, on rare occasion, had to make a fuel stop enroute. The issue with the aircraft is not so much the power plant as it is with the amount of tankage on board. UAs do not have the auxiliary fuel tanks installed as that causes the economics of the aircraft to go south fairly rapidly.

The 900ER is however the perfect aircraft for midcons (ORD, DEN and IAH to the coasts) During a prior thread on the 900ER someone compared the economics of the aircraft with the 752 and found that the 900ER outperformed the 752 up until about 5 hours of flight or so...after that the 752s superior payload capabilities win the day.

I think that the 900ER will be a great aircraft to replace the 763s with as none (or at least very few) of the routes that DL flies them on are to and from slot restricted airports so adding a flight or two too make up for lost capacity should not be an issue. It will also be a great fit to replace the 752s on those routes out of DTW, SLC and even ATL to the coasts.
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Wed May 02, 2012 2:58 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 34):
UAs have 26K I believe.

are the 700s 22s or 24s then?

Quoting United1 (Reply 36):

I think that the 900ER will be a great aircraft to replace the 763s with as none (or at least very few) of the routes that DL flies them on are to and from slot restricted airports so adding a flight or two too make up for lost capacity should not be an issue. It will also be a great fit to replace the 752s on those routes out of DTW, SLC and even ATL to the coasts.

and thus, 15-18 flights a day on ATL-LAX/LAS.
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Wed May 02, 2012 3:12 am

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 37):
Quoting United1 (Reply 34):
UAs have 26K I believe.

are the 700s 22s or 24s then?

700s are 24K...
800s are 26K as are the 900s and 900ER's.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 37):
and thus, 15-18 flights a day on ATL-LAX/LAS.

Exactly...
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Wed May 02, 2012 5:05 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 36):

Coupled with the fact that they are coming online ETOPS ready I can only imagine they will be rotated through HNL/KOA/OGG as well. Just wonder where we will see them first and what's the plan for the initial draw-down of 757s.
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Wed May 02, 2012 6:15 am

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 12):

What is the new 75A config? Will they match the 75Vs?

I did notice that LAX-HNL has a 75E scheduled this summer!
Quoting timf (Reply 9):
It looks like they are doing the mods in SAT and the first one will be out tomorrow - N537US. The seat map is still hiding rows 5 and 6 (the rows appear, but the seats don't), but it is showing 5 seats available in F while only 1 is selectable on the seat map. I would guess they just haven't updated the maps yet. N535US went in on 4/18 and N538US goes in tonight.

5637 is out flying. It's in PHL tonight. Wed it does a PHL-ATL-JAX run. Computer still shows a 16 seat FC. However I'm told it's actually a F22 with 159 in Y - and designated as a 75M. If that's fully true, why the heck would DL put the plane out for 10 days and only go back to a F22 versus F26 or even F28 as long as been talked about? Can't get an answer from anyone. Maybe these F22's have the old NWA Recaro seats reinstalled with footrests like the 75J's? But then the Y configuration is different than what the planes went in with - Y159 versus Y160 - so something was done to move around the galley and such.

When NWA took these planes from domestic to Atlantic configuration, they moved the restrooms forward of door 2 around and reconfigured the door 2 galley as well.
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Wed May 02, 2012 7:00 am

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 10):
If it's any consolation, I believe the 900ERs have magic carpets...
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Thread starter):
So, this is a question that's been burning me for quite some time now. We all know that DL once had a pretty sizeable non -ER 763 fleet. 24 actually, at its peak. I do not want to post incorrect information so I won't post numbers (I have not looked @ the active fleet in months) but aside from the ones flying now, there are still several in long-term storage that were suppose to return to service this PAST summer but never did. In fact, it was announced in a memo during W10 that along with the cabin mods, etc. etc., these frames were to return to service for the S11 schedule so not all speculation.



Active DL 763A/76Q
N121DE (RTN from storage S11)
N124DE (RTN from storage S11)
N125DL
N126DL
N127DL
N128DL
N129DL
N130DL
N136DL
N137DL
N138DL
N139DL

Stored DL 763A/76Q
N131DL
N132DL
N133DL
N134DL
N135DL

I remember when N121DE & N124DE returned from storage. It was nearly 60 days of MTC work before they returned to service and I have yet to see any of the remaining 5 moved into MTC so I'd venture a guess they are no plans for them to return for S12 schedule.

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 2):
757-300's would be the likely replacement candidate.
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 4):
Indeed they are. They are great airplanes and can sit just as much as a 767-300.
Quoting United1 (Reply 36):
I think that the 900ER will be a great aircraft to replace the 763s with as none (or at least very few) of the routes that DL flies them on are to and from slot restricted airports so adding a flight or two too make up for lost capacity should not be an issue.



The 753 is not a good replacement for DL's 763A's. The 763A's carry lots of cargo despite the small forward door. I know ATL-LAX/SEA/SLC are cargo heavy routes. I have yet to see a 763 coming from or departing to LAX have open container positions. I personally worked DL2155 recently that was a 77L and we had to place a large number of bags in the bulk bin due to the lack of container space once we loaded all the freight containers/pallets and that is a regular occurrence. We also left half a dozen containers behind as well.

The 763A's even do a MSP/DTW-LAX round trip once daily which I'd bet is assist with moving cargo.

The 753 is a good replacement of the 763A's on ATL-SAN/LAS/PHX as there is usually light cargo on these routes.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
As for the 76ERs moving to the domestic front; I don't see it. DL is spending a boatload of money to have them all converted to current spec (lie-flat seats, crew rest etc). I don't see them spending that kind of money only to convert them back to a profitable domestic configuration.



For each of the past two week's there have been 767-300ER operating an ATL-LAX-ATL routing's. I have seen N172DN, N195DN and N1605 doing this very routing. Appears these are scheduled as opposed to equipment subs.
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Wed May 02, 2012 2:45 pm

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 41):
The 753 is not a good replacement for DL's 763A's. The 763A's carry lots of cargo despite the small forward door. I know ATL-LAX/SEA/SLC are cargo heavy routes.

I wonder if things have changed all that much where cargo loads are taken into consideration when scheduling a/c. SLC-ANC was a cargo heavy route, all year and yet it never kept them from switching from narrowbodies to widebodies and back, again, depending on the season. I believe that route, now is a narrowbody and has been for quite some time.
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Wed May 02, 2012 3:22 pm

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 28):

When the 767-322's were delivered we had 767 domestic and Etops variantsWhether the Center Tank was activated was the dirfference. Boeing no longer Builds 767's with no center wing box like they did with the B777-200's and the -200B models and we used the First 767-322's on SFO- CDG route i think you might want to check the maintenence manual to see if what I'm saying is accurate. and the GE CF6-80C2 is a Dial up engine. where theEngine mods can be done in your OWN shops But again all it takes is Money... and there's No WAY in the WORLD I'd believe that Delta Airlines doesn't have the Sklls and expertise to do that work.. Delta DID order the 767-300 seriee Before United order ours as they were also the first to order the 757 and the 767 in the same fleet (stroke of Genius) Iwas at a conference with your former VP
of Maintenence Ray Valekia (I might have blown the spelling) and I was Really impressed with his accumen so I KNOW What Delta has going for them..
 
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RE: Future Of Delta's Non -ER 767-300s

Wed May 09, 2012 1:49 pm

Quoting n7371f (Reply 40):
5637 is out flying. It's in PHL tonight. Wed it does a PHL-ATL-JAX run. Computer still shows a 16 seat FC. However I'm told it's actually a F22 with 159 in Y - and designated as a 75M. If that's fully true, why the heck would DL put the plane out for 10 days and only go back to a F22 versus F26 or even F28 as long as been talked about? Can't get an answer from anyone. Maybe these F22's have the old NWA Recaro seats reinstalled with footrests like the 75J's? But then the Y configuration is different than what the planes went in with - Y159 versus Y160 - so something was done to move around the galley and such.

Here's what I've been able to figure out so far. The 75As are definitely going to F24/Y150. However, they appear to be going to NRT to replace the 75Js. The first two swaps have already been made - 5635 and 5636 went to Asia while 5639 and 5643 came back to the US. I would expect further swaps to be made as they continue reconfiguring aircraft. I do not know what the plans are for the 75Js that are coming back, but I could see them having 2 F seats added back in so that they match the 75M configuration. This would then give DL a more sizeable subfleet of domestic 757s in the PMNW configuration.

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