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Quoting jreuschl (Thread starter): I would think buying up higher class seats on Swiss in ORD would still be less expensive than that flight!. |
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3): Some major companies prohibit their CEOs and certain other senior executives from flying commercially for security reasons. |
Quoting jreuschl (Thread starter): I would think buying up higher class seats on Swiss in ORD would still be less expensive than that flight!. |
Quoting fbgdavidson (Reply 4): In fact if more than a certain number of you were travelling together (including longhaul) then you could request use of any of the corporate aircraft. |
Quoting fbgdavidson (Reply 4): For shorthaul though it was easier and for the smaller aircraft (Challenger 300 and such) it didn't require anyone too high up the food chain to sign off on it so I got to use it a few times when there were a few of travelling together. |
Quoting jreuschl (Thread starter): How common are these flights? |
Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 7): They happen all the time. Once when I was on flight aware I saw a Global Express fly to Sugarland (near Houston) from either LBG or GVA (I can't remember which one exactly). |
Quoting njxc500 (Reply 1): There are plenty of reasons for a flight like this, even though it is chartered, there is still a VIP of some sort involved. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5): While CEOs and other top executives do use private aircraft, they aren't the only ones. It is often useful for salespeople, support technicians, etc. to use corporate aircraft to get to client sites and other places. Usually not a Gulfstream, but still. I recall reading one story of a guy who owns a Caterpillar dealer using a jet to fly clients around, and a general contractor using a Citation to fly to project sites. |
Quoting jreuschl (Thread starter): Milwaukee-Zurich on a business jet! How common are these flights? |
Quoting bohica (Reply 10): I used to work at an FBO a long time ago and I have seen overnight cargo operators charter a private jet to reposition a pilot to another city to operate a flight. Also I have seen airlines charter private jets just to fly an AOG part. |
Quoting jreuschl (Thread starter): Milwaukee-Zurich on a business jet! How common are these flights? |
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3): Some major companies prohibit their CEOs and certain other senior executives from flying commercially for security reasons. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13): The other less popularly known use of corporate aircraft is organ transplants. |
Quoting jreuschl (Thread starter): Milwaukee-Zurich on a business jet! How common are these flights? I would think buying up higher class seats on Swiss in ORD would still be less expensive than that flight!. |
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 17): Where as the bizjet person left home approx 1730 local time Sunday and arrived at his/her first meeting at 10 am Monday The Swiss flight would require leaving home at approx 1630 local time Sunday and arrival at their first meeting at about 1 pm Monday. |
Quoting cmf (Reply 18): As an investor I do not accept taking so much profit out of a deal just because someone wants a few more hours at home. |
Quoting alevik (Reply 19): As an investor you might want to spend a little time on front lines of multi-billion dollar jobs making it happen and see how that works for you. Send me a postcard from the airport hotel when your flight is cancelled or overbooked. Sorry to be so blunt but frankly it seems you don't have a good grasp on business reality. |
Quoting cmf (Reply 21): We have plenty of 6 figure people happily accepting economy, 14 hour flights. |
Quoting cmf (Reply 21): I much rather use that money to raise your salary. Or employ another guy or two on the factory floor. |
Quoting cmf (Reply 21): You changed the terms to a team of 4 - 6 people. That changes the calculation dramatically. Now it is about even with 6 first class tickets to ZRH. But as a single person you will never see me approve an extra 80k charge because you failed to plan properly. |
Quoting cmf (Reply 21): My experience include "front line" experience in multiple multi-national companies, including two fortune 500 so get off your high horses. |
Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 22): It is you that is on a high horse. Way to throw around the investor card to impress us all! |
Quoting ghifty (Reply 23): Whatever "we" is doesn't represent every single company in the US. |
Quoting ghifty (Reply 23): But are you the CEO? CFO? I assume not.. |
Quoting ghifty (Reply 23): If you look at FBG and HAL's post, you would see that most of these flights probably leave with 4-6 people. You are the one who changed the team to a size of one. |
Quoting ghifty (Reply 23): Actually, Bohica pointed out where "one person flying corporate" can be good for a business. |
Quoting ghifty (Reply 23): High horse? Peh. Nobody else has spouted about their qualifications. |
Quoting jfritz (Reply 24): I believe it was 4-5 Months ago that a Global Express flew from here (Scottsdale,AZ) to Moscow...now that's range! |
Quoting cmf (Reply 21): I do not care if your sallary is high 6 figure or mid or even low 5 in that case. I only care about how much each hour of no production costs me. |
Quoting cmf (Reply 21): We have plenty of 6 figure people happily accepting economy, 14 hour flights. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5): It is often useful for salespeople, support technicians, etc. to use corporate aircraft to get to client sites and other places. |
Quoting ghifty (Reply 23): The general consensus seems to be that CEOs are the ones on these LH business jets for security purposes or company policy with a few incidental "lower" workers hitching along here and there. |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 29): Usually it is a larger team. There is a business case for some business jets. |
Quoting cmf (Reply 18): As an investor I do not accept taking so much profit out of a deal just because someone wants a few more hours at home. |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 29): That is the case. There have been instances where it would save my employer $25k per hour to get myself an a light (checked) part to a site. Now that was a rare case where a one person added to the local team mattered. |
Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 30): Man you must work in a pretty happy workplace. My company got rid of all business for 8+ hour flights and it has been a war ever since. Nobody is ever happy after going from Business to Coach on long legs while being away for weeks at a time. |
Quoting planespotting (Reply 31): If you're investing in a company that is negotiating deals where the few thousand dollars in operating costs of a business jet will make a substantial dent in the IRR of a deal, then that company is probably looking at the wrong sort of deals. |
Quoting cmf (Reply 25): You mean apart from the guy who claims to be doing billion dollar bills as reason to add expenses equaling other employees yearly salary just to save a few hours of family time. |
Quoting planespotting (Reply 31): Business jets are also used to fly around key customers and clients as a way to show them how valuable they are to the company, and to respond to crises and other events quickly without depending on airlines. |
Quoting affirmative (Reply 26): I was quite surprised by the low altitude of the listed flight.. |
Quoting captainstefan (Reply 33): cmf, you made mention a few times about how the $25k an hour is not worth it for one person, and in some cases, maybe not (coming from very little knowledge of high-stakes business). I could imagine that many of the cases where one person is flown privately like this is for an urgent negotiation of multi-million/billion $$$ deals, and the prospective client may not want to wait until 1:00pm for you to show up - ("I'll see you at 10:00 or no deal"). Sometimes it's not the person being flown who decided when he needs to be there.... |
Quoting captainstefan (Reply 33): I could imagine that many of the cases where one person is flown privately like this is for an urgent negotiation of multi-million/billion $$$ deals, and the prospective client may not want to wait until 1:00pm for you to show up - ("I'll see you at 10:00 or no deal"). Sometimes it's not the person being flown who decided when he needs to be there.... |
Quoting cmf (Reply 35): More than 20 years and I have not seen a single multi-billion deal nor any other large deal for that matter depend on two persons meeting 3 hours earlier or later. |
Quoting cmf (Reply 15): There are plenty of reasons how a private jet can be justified but security is more often than not abused as a way to silent complaints |
Quoting cmf (Reply 18): Do you think people will not to a deal because you schedule a meeting 3 hours later? |
Quoting cmf (Reply 21): But as a single person you will never see me approve an extra 80k charge because you failed to plan properly. |
Quoting ghifty (Reply 23): If you look at FBG and HAL's post, you would see that most of these flights probably leave with 4-6 people. |
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 34): But you are right - the norm for these aircraft is higher. |
Quoting planespotting (Reply 36): ensure a key employee's continued employment |
Quoting planespotting (Reply 36): The point is, the business in question was worth way more than the few thousand dollars of operating costs it took to take the jet out there and back. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 37): ...if so many people are complaining, then maybe the security justification is warranted. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 37): In some cases, possibly. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 37): It's not a matter of failing to plan properly, it's a matter of freeing the schedule from the constraints of airline schedules. |
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 37): That's part of the attraction: you can meet while you fly rather than being like Matt Damon in Ocean's 12. |
Quoting BlueJuice (Reply 38): The equipment I would be traveling with cannot be carried onboard a commercial flight and checking it would be a huge risk. |
Quoting penguins (Reply 41): currently there is a G5 flying from Cologne to Milwaukee which is even farther than ZRH. |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 29): Just as Warren Buffet uses a corporate 737. |
Quoting jreuschl (Thread starter): I was looking at activity for my home airport in Milwaukee and I noticed this flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EJM505 Milwaukee-Zurich on a business jet! How common are these flights? I would think buying up higher class seats on Swiss in ORD would still be less expensive than that flight!. |