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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Wed May 09, 2012 11:32 am

Its very easy to see how they could fall off the steps when the door is just opened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnSDZRMaa-E
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Wed May 09, 2012 11:48 am

I know at VS - we don't open or close doors in normal mode, the ground staff will open and close aircraft doors after being instructed by the cabin crew that the door is in 'manual mode'.

The '5 doors' on the 747-400 are very dangerous to close because of how the aircraft starts to slope in - if we close them manually, we need two cabin crew - one to close and one to hold the main cabin crew.

I have also worked for XL Airways and I remember the 737 doors very well, they are very heavy and do not have any power assist !

I have always wondered why they continue to make 737's with the manual slide attachment ? Surley it would be better to adopt a 757 style, with a 'slide lever' and thereby stopping any accidental slide deployment ?

Surely though, Ryanair should have a policy that the door should be closed either with air stairs still extended or with a jet bridge ???? I have always thought the 737 airstairs are dangerous.

I hope the cabin crew member is safe and well and back to work soon.
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Wed May 09, 2012 12:02 pm

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 1):
Ouch, that gotta hurt!

I fell off the belt loader at PHL working for WN due to someone leaving an RON chalk for the main gear on the side and landed on my head. It does hurt.... Ended up in ICU 2 days. I hope she has a speedy recovery.
 
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Wed May 09, 2012 12:15 pm

http://youtu.be/BVxPBeu2PaI?t=2m10s

Link above shows Ryanair door opening procedures... Bit of a health and safety nightmare!

The additional straps shown being fitted after the main handrails are extended are as a result of a small child falling through the gap from the top step at Stansted in 2009.
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...ng%20737-800,%20EI-DLJ%2008-10.pdf

Seems strange that Ryanair continue to use the airstairs, with the additional barriers that need to be fixed/removed they're not quicker than movable stairs, plus the weight of hauling them round must be considerable in terms of fuel, then there's the slip/trip/fall hazard to the crew and passengers using them. easyJet removed the forward airstairs from their 737s long before they were removed from service.

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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Wed May 09, 2012 12:42 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 47):
I have never understood why crew aren't required to wear some form of safety harness

The problem is that there is no approved anchor point to fix the harness to.

There is only one safe answer. Only open and close the doors with a platform under the door.
 
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Wed May 09, 2012 12:42 pm

Quoting lucce (Reply 31):
The term stewardess is no longer used because in US as it represents the discriminatory way cabin crew were treated in the 60's.

Partially true as it had to do more with it being sexist, thus the gender neutral term...Flight Attendant.

Quoting virgincrew (Reply 51):
I remember the 737 doors very well, they are very heavy and do not have any power assist !

Do other a/c have power assisted doors? Airbus? Embraer? etc?
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Wed May 09, 2012 12:50 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 55):
Do other a/c have power assisted doors? Airbus? Embraer? etc?

Tristar !!! on all doors, and the B767 on L1 and L2 (some airlines) and DC10?

But a lot of doors do not need it. A320 A330 B777 B787 to name some are well balanced and move very easily, unlike the B737 B757 and B747 which are heavy and need someone stronger than a 50kg young lady.
 
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Wed May 09, 2012 1:11 pm

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 5):
I don't know how they do it... 24 minutes is barely enough time to turn a CRJ-200...!

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When you don't have to put on refreshments, or clean any thing or load much luggage, 20 minutes is plenty of time to remove passengers and load new ones.
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Wed May 09, 2012 2:24 pm

Well, not even a month has passed since a similar incident occured at Queen Alia International Airport - Amman, where a Belgian pilot working for Onur Air fell on the apron and was sadly killed.

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-2778...dies-after-falling-onto-apron.html
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Wed May 09, 2012 2:25 pm

Glad to hear she was relatively uninjured. Similar accidents have resulted in a fatality in the past. I recall the AA flight attendant who was sucked out of an A300 while attempting to open the cabin door while the aircraft was still pressurized.

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 2):
Hostess? It's 2012 and the correct term is Flight Attendant or Cabin Crew Member...

  

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 4):
Jeez, sorry! It's not as if nobody knows what was meant!

About as polite as referring to a pilot as an "air chauffeur" or a "glorified bus driver"...it's not as if nobody knows what was meant!
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Wed May 09, 2012 3:24 pm

I did say "I would often watch" Not I always see it. So having not been around any Ryanair flights of late I am not able to assert that claim, but the first time I saw a ryanair flight arrive on stand, that WAS the procedure and was for many years. Like I say, I have not seen many arrivals or departures for quite some time, so I apologise that if by reading my comments you were somehow mislead.
 
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Wed May 09, 2012 3:34 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 11):
hope she has some sort of union so she can sue Ryanair for unsafe working practices.

Errr No! this is Ryanair - they'll be deducting her pay for leaving work early....
 
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Wed May 09, 2012 4:57 pm

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 53):
Seems strange that Ryanair continue to use the airstairs, with the additional barriers that need to be fixed/removed they're not quicker than movable stairs, plus the weight of hauling them round must be considerable in terms of fuel, then there's the slip/trip/fall hazard to the crew and passengers using them. easyJet removed the forward airstairs from their 737s long before they were removed from service.

The reasoning I've heard is that it allows them to operate to fields with minimal ground ops available. I would imagine that MOL has worked out the pure costings - the fuel and upkeep costs (other threads on here have stated that integral airstairs go tech, a lot) inherent - versus what can be saved by landing somewhere with no stairs.
 
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Sat May 12, 2012 10:00 am

Something similiar occured in the early 90s on a B732 aft door & the falling FA was caught by an AMT standing below who was supervising the door closure.....What a catch.....
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Sat May 12, 2012 9:27 pm

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 28):
An All Nippon Airways F/A was killed in 1987 when she fell out of a door of a 747, and fell 20 feet to the ground.

There have been at least two incidents in the U.S. where a crew member fell to their death from an aircraft door, including this AA A300 at MIA in 2000 which had returned due to a fire warning after taking off for PAP. The flight attendant opened the door before the aircraft was fully depressurized and was sucked out and was killed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/21/us...-killed-in-fall-from-jetliner.html
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/200...nt-american-airlines-flight-airbus

There was another incident in 2008 at Tunica, Mississippi (UTM) involving a 737-200 operated by U.S. charter carrier Sky King, where a mechanic travelling as part of the crew was trying to close the forward door in windy and rainy conditions and fell out and was killed. If memory correct the flight was going to LAS.
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/br...ef.aspx?ev_id=20070718X00958&key=1

Several other similar fatal falls from aircraft doors are mentiolned here, including an AF A320. BA 737 and QF 707.
http://www.iasa.com.au/folders/Safet...kManagement/falling-for-an-FA.html
 
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Sun May 13, 2012 5:33 pm

I think that article from the OP has been edited a few times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 40):
Did you read the article?

She didn't simply lean out of the aircraft, the door was practically closed and was then caught by a gust of wind. It flew open and she was dragged out since she was holding the handle.

e.g. I don't see that information in the article as I read it now. What is there now is a comment:

“The stairs had been removed and the door to the plane was closed. What made her open the door we don’t know. I find it hard to believe that she took a step out, it is more likely that the door flew open while she was holding the handle. It is rather windy today,” said Nyberg to TT."

Prior to RyanairGuru's comment, I was wondering why nobody commented on her opening an already-closed door. Then after reading his/her comment, I deduce the article has changed at least a couple times.
 
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Mon May 14, 2012 2:38 am

A similar incident happened a couple years ago on a 717 at AYQ. A training cabin crew member was in charge of closing the doors (albeit under supervision), and had signalled to ground staff that the door was about to close. They had trouble closing the door, so the trainer/supervisor tried to close it instead. Ground crew had already pulled away the stairs without verifying the door was closed. The trainer proceeded to step out the plane to have a better chance of dislodging the door... and obviously plummeted straight to the tarmac.

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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Mon May 14, 2012 3:28 am

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 65):
Prior to RyanairGuru's comment, I was wondering why nobody commented on her opening an already-closed door. Then after reading his/her comment, I deduce the article has changed at least a couple times.

That's is a different comment to the one I read. I think your right about about it being edited as the story "develops" - i.e. more and more people speculate!
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Mon May 14, 2012 9:13 am

I knew of a Dispatcher that had stopped on the steps after everything was completed to check his paperwork.
Due to the door only being fractionally open, the cabin crew member didn't see he was still there and started to retract the airstairs.
He jumped off and injured his leg in the process. No broken bones, but he was off work for a while.
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Mon May 14, 2012 12:37 pm

Quoting coolum (Reply 68):

He jumped off and injured his leg in the process. No broken bones, but he was off work for a while.

What type was this?.
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Mon May 14, 2012 11:44 pm

Years ago at Pan Am one of our very senior ladies fell out of a 707 when the jetway retracted on its own. She was hurt pretty bad, unfortunately her first trip back and the same thing happened again.
 
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RE: Ryanair Hostess Falls Off Plane Onto Tarmac In GSE

Tue May 15, 2012 5:08 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 69):
What type was this?.

It was an FR 737-800
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