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From what I see on Google Earth, the areas near 5,200 ft elevation are all steeply sloped and heavily forested - is that correct?
 
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Someone twitted coords as 06.42.61.3S 106.44.41.2E
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Thu May 10, 2012 3:29 am

Associated Press is reporting that the wreckage has been located per Indonesian military. Very sad news.

Source: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-05-09-23-14-37
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Thu May 10, 2012 3:34 am

Wreckage has been located, as noted above.

Residents of the nearby Bogor village say they saw the aircraft flying low, but didn't hear an explosion or obvious crash sound. (Translated from Thai, so there may be some room from interpretation).

Hoping for the best.
 
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Thu May 10, 2012 3:41 am

The coordinates above are very near the top of the mountain - in very rough, forested terrain.
 
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Mods

Now that the crash site has been found, may we have a new thread: Superjet Disappears Off Radar In Indonesia (part 2)? I would like to preserve the information and this is already a slower loading thread (thanks to great information).

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RIP to those onboard.
Crash site:
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Quoting mandala499 (Reply 156):
RIP to those onboard.

such a horrible horrible turn of events...for the program, for everybody on board...everybody....
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Per the Associated Press, "Rescuers on the helicopters could clearly see the wreckage located at the top of Mount Salak." The search team stated the crash was clearly identifed as the Sukhoi jet, and there are no signs of any survivors.

May these involved rest in peace.   
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A better picture. *sigh*

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Thu May 10, 2012 4:31 am

RIP to those on board...
From the picture of crash site it seems like a head on collision with a steep hill/mountain...
Here is the link:
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Thu May 10, 2012 4:37 am

Quoting zeke (Reply 128):

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 100):

Now, I imagine it's probably meant to be like that before startup, but notice on the TAWS panel, near the top left, it shows SYS FAULT and TERR FAULT and OFF - anything out of the ordinary for this phase?

Assuming the next picture in the sequence was taken after that photo, the displays are blank.

The photos are apparently in reverse order, which makes sense if you look at the button being pushed.

Photo 382 - Man in pilot seat is pushing the Ext Pwr button. Button clearly says "Avail" but not "On", telling us that the plane isn't powered up yet.

Photo 383 - Overhead panel showing Ext Pwr "Avail" and "On", showing a number of other buttons as "Off" that were blank in the prior photo, and most notably, showing TAWS TERR "Fault" and "Off".
 
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Thu May 10, 2012 4:42 am

Mandala499: Are the vegetation and soil such that the crash could have triggered a landslide that caused the vertical strip seen in the photo, or do bare strips like that occur on those mountains? I wonder if they were pulling up as they hit -- it looks like they might have cleared that ridge with a few more feet beneath them.
 
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Thu May 10, 2012 4:50 am

The crash site is on the side of Mt. Salak. Per Google maps, this area is almost due south of Jakarta, about 50-75 miles.
The mountain has an elevation of 2000 meters, or about 6600 feet. If the plane descended to 6000 feet, per the last communication, then it would have been below the peak. Clearly, we won't know the cause until the CVR and FDR are recovered and analyzed. Any speculation as to the cause, in my opinion, is disrespectful to those who perished,
 
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Quoting bellancacf (Reply 162):

Mandala499: Are the vegetation and soil such that the crash could have triggered a landslide that caused the vertical strip seen in the photo, or do bare strips like that occur on those mountains? I wonder if they were pulling up as they hit -- it looks like they might have cleared that ridge with a few more feet beneath them.

Right to left, down to up, wings relatively level. Some sharp pitch angle/trajectory on that one.

Bare strips occur, but I'm confident the impact caused the bare patch due to landslide.
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Thu May 10, 2012 5:42 am

Mandala499, I'm so sorry to hear of your loss and the loss of the Indonesian aviation community. Thank you for sharing what you know with us.

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Thu May 10, 2012 5:49 am

At this moment the crash reminds of the crash of the Norwegian Hercules that crashed into Kebnekaise in the Swedish mountains 2 months ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Norwegian_C-130_crash
 
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Thu May 10, 2012 5:56 am

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 159):

Thats a very sad picture, theres very little to no debris visible, very sad  RIP to those onboard.
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Thu May 10, 2012 6:06 am

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 116):

Thanks Mandala for the detailed and I am sure painful posts.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 97):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JspiKXDyats

When I heard the RT News interview with Flightglobal's safety editor, David Learmount, I rolled my eyes.

Quote:
"Because this was a demonstration flight, sometimes the pilots or the crews deliberately take the aircraft right to their limits. And they do that sometimes when the aircraft is quite close to the ground. That's what a demonstration flight is often like. Sometimes they push the limits just too far and that might have happened."

Having been on a number of demonstration flights with customers and VIPs onboard large jets, I've certainly flown adjacent to and lower than mountainous terrain. However, I have only seen it done in VMC conditions, at very measured distances from terrain and using relatively conservative maneuvers (conservative enough that people are free to be out of their seats throughout the flight). I could not imagine this SSJ-100 demo flight with customers onboard could have in any way looked like what Mr. Learmount described.

Now I see the photos and read Mandala's comments...

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 164):
Right to left, down to up, wings relatively level. Some sharp pitch angle/trajectory on that one.

Barring some problem with the aircraft which put it into such close proximity to the mountain, it is hard not to see things a bit closer to Mr Learmont's description. An aircraft climbing to shoot the gap of a low spot on a ridge-line is a thrill, there is no doubt. However, IF this accident and the associated loss of life are a result of the pilots trying to make the flight more exciting, this tragedy gets even more painful and much harder for me to accept. I truly hope the investigation will find this was not the case.

[Edited 2012-05-09 23:06:56]
 
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Quoting mandala499 (Reply 159):

Mandala, your tag line below the picture is sadly ironic.

The only saving grace seems to be that it must have been instantaneous.
 
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Thu May 10, 2012 6:09 am

Tragic. Just woke up to this and was really hoping for the best... like so many other A.netters

There appears to be an impact point, about a third of the way down, possibly the aircraft was in a turn, faced with the mountain and attempted to pull up, resulting in the wreckage spreading up into the overgrowth above? Would that make sense? Clipping the hill at an angle.



Sincere condolences to families. Mandala499, sorry for your loss buddy.

When I heard about the accident I did wonder why on earth, given past accidents a demonstration flight would veer so close to mountains. Surely it would be better to err on the side of caution and demonstrate the aircraft in a region/area with relatively few or no hazards. I do hope lessons can be learned from this accident.
 
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Shocked & shaken by this tragedy..

May all rest in peace  

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Mandala,

If that picture is confirmation of a head-on CFIT I am afraid that Indonesians will see their grief turn into outrage over the needless loss of innocent souls. Are you hearing any of that locally?

Sorry for your loss.
 
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Thu May 10, 2012 6:44 am

Extremely sad tragedy. The only consolation is that none of the victims were probably aware of being in danger until the very last moment if this was a CFIT accident in limited visibility.
 
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Thu May 10, 2012 6:47 am

I've been on some quite scary flights going into Skagway, Alaska in poor visibility, knowing that there was Granite behind some of those clouds. Also I was in the Rocky Mountain Rescue Group in Boulder Colo during college, . The intense downdrafts that can occur in the mountains often greatly exceed the climb rate of anything short of a fighter. However, the worst crash site I have been on was the Wichita State plane crash. The pilot in good weather went up a canyon that rose faster than its climb rate. The ground at the site was so hot there was molten aluminum streaming down the hill and our Vibram boot soles were leaving sticky prints on the rocks. I never want to be on such a site again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita...iversity_football_team_plane_crash

My condolences to all on board the Superjet flight, I suspect it was near instantaneous as it rammed the slope, so little suffering but the grief of the families will go forever. Very, very sad.

For the Superjet program, at least this appears to be a 'Pilot Error' type of accident rather than a flaw in the plane itself. But this accident makes the program all the harder to gain traction. I do hope Superjet is a successful program.
 
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Thu May 10, 2012 7:57 am

Has a namelist of pax and crew come out yet?
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Thu May 10, 2012 8:19 am

Reports are coming in that some bodies have been found....

"Rescuers south of Indonesia’s Jakarta have found several bodies at the mountain site of the wreckage of a Russian Sukhoi SuperJet-100, which dropped off the radar during a demonstration flight on Wednesday."

"Due to the remoteness of the site, bodies will need to be placed in nets and hauled up into hovering choppers by rope. Experts say identifying the bodies will take quite some time as they have been fragmented."

Source: http://rt.com/news/russian-plane-missing-indonesia-877/

[Edited 2012-05-10 01:19:35]
 
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I hear helicopter rotors doing the rounds all morning above my head from sea to mountain, quite a common occurrence here as there are army/air force com stations up the nearby high cliffs but with the SSJ100 crash it gives me the chills thinking of the helicopters that are now at this same moment searching for crash victims.

At least it seems that they have now located the crash site - in a very uneasy area in the midst of steep grounds with probably a lot of mud from previous heavy rainfalls.

    

Thank you Sasha for taking over the translations from dolya's tweets in Russian.

Thank you Mandala and KC Sim for your posts.

There is a lot of activity here on this tweet feed @athensoh with all the translations from dolya and more. This seems rather serious not nonsensical blurb twittering.

http://twitter.com/#!/search/%40athensoh

Waiting for more official reports.

     

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Thu May 10, 2012 8:23 am

Quoting flyingbird (Reply 166):

Yep, was going to post that myself. That crash happened close to the ridge and set of an avalanche that buried the aircraft.
Unfortunately the crew was only identified by DNA.

Quoting xpfg (Reply 176):

Again, the similarity to the C-130 crash, and taking higher impact speed into consideration the identification here will be even harder. Horrible horrible news  

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Thu May 10, 2012 8:26 am

Sincere condolences to all families of the victimes.

Mandala499 I wish you strength and I am deeply sorry for your loss...
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Quoting mandala499 (Reply 159):
A better picture. *sigh*

My goodness... what a horrible sight.  

May the victims rest in peace, my condolences go out to all others affected.
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Thu May 10, 2012 8:42 am

...and I already have come across a rant on Sukhoi and its new aircraft. In German:

http://dreibeinblog.info/suchoi-supe...t-100-so-baut-man-keinen-superjet/

  

We aren't exactly prejudiced in favor of Russian aircraft, but I hope media will refrain from bashing the Superjet until the accident cause has been established.


RIP to all that were onboard and solace to their relatives.  
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Click picture to enlarge. Such unfriendly scenery.

https://twitter.com/#!/lystseva/status/200437506372665344/photo/1/

If they hit that cliff the aircraft must have gone into pieces.

Edited to add this information coming from

The Aviation Herald

Crash: Sukhoi SU95 over Indonesia on May 9th 2012, aircraft impacted mountain

The aircraft wreckage was found by a helicopter the following morning (May 10th) at about 09:15L (02:15Z) on the slopes of Mount Salak at an elevation of about 5300 feet MSL.
...
The Air Force said the aircraft impacted the edge of a cliff (top of the cliff at 6250 feet MSL) about 1.7 nm from Cijeruk. Approximate final position of the aircraft is S6.7045 E106.7373

you will find the whole article here:
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=44f464f7&opt=0




       

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Horrible news......sorry for everyone on board awful to think about and see the pre flight photos and celebrations
 
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Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 181):
...and I already have come across a rant on Sukhoi and its new aircraft. In German:

http://dreibeinblog.info/suchoi-supe...rjet/

Absolutely unbelievable. The cause of the accident is not known, yet a self-proclaimed analyst or expert already knows that all russian aircraft of late are flying death-traps. Such a shame that people get influenced by those words...
  
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Thu May 10, 2012 9:10 am

RIP to all who passed away in this crash.
Mandala i share your sorrow and i also appreciate all this wealth of information.
The question that comes to my mind, did ATC give the plane clearance to descend to 6000 feet? If so then this is where the investigation should start.
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This is the latest of S. Dolya's tweets

В центре говорят, что наверх идет 30 групп. Доберутся через часа 3-4. В это время у нас уже стемнеет...
In the center of talk that goes to the top 30 teams. Will get through 3-4 hours. At this time we have got dark ...

Tweet from Russia Today
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Update: According to some reports rescuers have not yet accessed Sukhoi #SuperJet-100 wreckage site There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
 
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Thu May 10, 2012 9:24 am

I seem to have a forum bug so I am posting again.

Ria Novosti's latest press release

Rescuers Find Body Parts at Superjet Crash Site - Officials
Topic: Sukhoi Superjet 100 crash in Indonesia

A helicopter-borne search team has begun collecting body fragments at the mountain site where a Russian-made Sukhoi Superjet 100 crashed on Wednesday with 45 people on board, an official at the crisis center set up at Jakarta's airport told RIA Novosti on Thursday.

whole article:
http://en.rian.ru/world/20120510/173352397.html

    
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Thu May 10, 2012 9:27 am

Well this is certainly CFIT. Impacted the mountain just below 6,250 feet 8 seconds after losing radar contact at 6,200 feet.

With the TAWS system being "OFF" in the overhead panel between the first and the last flight (which is not mormal - FAULT lights are normal but OFF is not, I have been informed), is it possible that the first flight of the day was in VMC, so the pilots could clearly see the terrain, and brought the aircraft fairly near to the mountains for sightseeing purposes, turning off the TAWS system (that may have been giving them terrain warnings) because they could clearly see the mountains and didn't want the distractions of the alarms?

If that was the case, and they hadn't turned it back ON for the second flight, they were suddenly surprised by the IMC conditions and flew into mountanious terrain, with no TAWS and in IMC? Based on what Mandala has said, this would be a death warrant.
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Quoting sturmovik (Reply 91):
I guess it's gonna be an uphill task for Sukhoi, Joe Public (and the media too, I suppose) has a dim view of Russian airliners in general and this incident is definitely not going to help. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of Russian aircraft, but I see Sukhoi having to struggle with this more than, say, Gulfstream after the G650 crash.

Just before you go mouthing off Russian airliners have a look at this. I pulled this from pprune. A post made by jackx123.

"Although the name Sukhoi is russian, there is not much russian in the aircraft considering all subsystems including:

Thales (avionics)
Liebherr (with Teploobmennik OJSC and PMZ Voskhod JSC) (Flight Control Systems)
Messier-Dowty (landing gear)
Intertechnique (Zodiac) (fuel system)
BE Aerospace (interior)
Curtiss-Wright Controls (fire protection system)
Honeywell (APU)
IPECO (crew seats)
Parker Hannifin (hydraulic system)
Hamilton Sundstrand (electrical system)
Meggitt Vibro-Meter (engine vibration sensor)
Saint-Gobain Sully (windows)
AeroCell (Nacelles and Thrust Reverser)
SAMCO (Passenger and Cargo doors)
Goodrich Corporation, Aircelle (engine nacelle)

All components are operating worldwide in thousands of flights daily without problems, so it seems it's not a hull related crash."
 
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Thu May 10, 2012 9:56 am

The first time I got to see a Sukhoi Superjet 100 was at the Paris Air Show at Le Bourget in 2009. I was there to meet some Airbus people from Toulouse and had only one day at the air show so I did not take much time to see the brand new Sukhoi airplane.

However I have two nice pictures of the aircraft on the ground. From the outside it was certainly a beautiful new airplane and I liked her red, white and blue colours.

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo250/parisquilts/forums2/4dd3f390.jpg

 http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo250/parisquilts/forums2/08a2bc13.jpg

     
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Thu May 10, 2012 10:07 am

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 188):

If that was the case, and they hadn't turned it back ON for the second flight, they were suddenly surprised by the IMC conditions and flew into mountanious terrain, with no TAWS and in IMC? Based on what Mandala has said, this would be a death warrant.

And it will have been documented here before any crash findings which is quite spooky if the above is found to be one of the contributing factors of the accident. That in itself, seeing an image clearly distinguishing it being OFF on this site alone would be a first, as far as I am aware in terms of visual evidence before conclusions are drawn by investigators... almost a case of you saw it here first.
 
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Thu May 10, 2012 10:10 am

R.I.P. to those who lost their lives in this terrible incident.

What was the MEATAR in the time of the incident? Was the visibility good for such low level flight in that kind of terrain?
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Thu May 10, 2012 10:14 am

How awful & potentially very damaging for Sukhoi. I imagine that airlines will hesitate to place orders until the report of the crash is released.
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Thu May 10, 2012 10:28 am

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 51):
Would they give Sukhoi a similar pass given that they have near zero track record with commerical liners ?

Unfortunately, the have the history of Russian airliners to contend wirh.

Quoting moo (Reply 115):
Not every plane crash results in a fire, it entirely depends on how the aircraft came down.

Especially this one, they were probably loaded with a minimal amount given the 30 min. flight plan and couldn't land heavy.

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 116):
But between Mt. Salak and Mt. Pangranggo, one has to have their wits around and not have a lapse of situational awareness.

As we all know mountains create their own weather or was this an up close and personal sightseeing trip turned traqgic?

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These are the latest tweets from Sergei Dolya (with English translation)

Осталось несколько сот метров, но они не могут пока пройти этот участок. Операция приостановлена до утра
There were several hundred meters, but they can't yet pass the site. Operation is suspended until the morning

 
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Quoting mandala499 (Reply 116):
mandala499

Thanks for your top notch posts, and sorry for your loss. Your signature seems ironic, given the situation.

Quoting CM (Reply 168):
Having been on a number of demonstration flights with customers and VIPs onboard large jets, I've certainly flown adjacent to and lower than mountainous terrain. However, I have only seen it done in VMC conditions, at very measured distances from terrain and using relatively conservative maneuvers (conservative enough that people are free to be out of their seats throughout the flight). I could not imagine this SSJ-100 demo flight with customers onboard could have in any way looked like what Mr. Learmount described.

Didn't the An-148 destined for Myanmar also crash in a somewhat similar situation, where it was on a demo flight? I admit I haven't read the accident report(s) on that one, nor am I implying a parallel, but I guess Mr Learmounts words should probably not be dismissed outright?
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Thu May 10, 2012 11:42 am

Latest from Sergey Dolya via twitter (with rough translation)

Вот правильная фотография с места катастрофы:
Here's the correct photograph from the disaster:

The picture
https://p.twimg.com/AsgZ0nnCQAArwr3.jpg

Could these white pieces be aircraft debris all around? Looks like the SSJ100 scraped a good part of the trees...

This is a tragedy... it has even more impact as we can follow all the developments via the Internet...

Rest in Peace all passengers and crew who have perished in the crash.

    

Another Twitter post from S. Dolya just came...

Просто по интернету стали гулять фотографии, где люди около обломков. Те фотографии из Пакистана
Just have to walk over the Internet, where people around the wreckage. Pictures from Pakistan

 Wow!

[Edited 2012-05-10 04:45:53]
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Thu May 10, 2012 11:49 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 195):
Осталось несколько сот метров, но они не могут пока пройти этот участок. Операция приостановлена до утра
There were several hundred meters, but they can't yet pass the site. Operation is suspended until the morning

Correction: not "there were" but rather "remained" several hundred meters
not "pass the site" but "pass this stretch/ area/ lot",
i.e. A few hundred meters remain, however, at the moment they can't pass this stretch. the operation has been halted until the morning.
For a Russian, culturally, "neskol'ko" might stand for 3 or 4, maximum 5 [hundred meters], presumably of vertical climb.

As the topic is sensitive please provide translations if you have adequate skills and can contribute rather than provide presumably wrong information

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Thu May 10, 2012 11:56 am

It appears the plane impacted near the top of Mt. Salak, and from that picture of the impact site I can't even recognize the plane anymore.   A determination of what happened will definitely require examination of the CVR and FDR data, plus playback of flight controller voice communications and radar data from Soekarno-Hatta International Airport (CGK).

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