Hawaiian Airlines A330 Arrives Tonight 5/17 JFK

contrails15 · Thu May 17, 2012 5:48 pm

Hawaiian will be flying their A330 into JFK tonight somewhere around midnight. I believe its gonna be at JFK until Sat leaving at 1800. Finishing touches on the lead in lines and buffer zone lines were done today for its arrival. It will be at gate 9 at T5. Whats odd is that it was coming in from IAH. We don't have cans yet so we were thinking it gonna bring them in maybe from there. Just a wild guess.

B6JFKH81 · Thu May 17, 2012 6:06 pm

Hmmmmmmmm....I wasn't thinking Gate 9 would be the choice. Is that making Gate 8 or 10 not able to be used while the A332 is at Gate 9? At least if Gate 8 is not in use, the entire seating area for Gate 8 & 9 can be used which is 200 seats.

How is the GO handling going to work? Who will be operating the ULD GSE, etc.?

contrails15 · Thu May 17, 2012 6:40 pm

Might be 10 but pretty sure its 9. Right now everyone is getting trained. First batch of full trained crew-members finished up last week. There only doing morning crews since its a morning flight. Jetblue crew will be handling the flight above and below the wing but nobody at least that I've talked to seems to know who gonna cater it. Dollies are here along with two container loaders. Not sure which manufacturer. Rumor has it the dollies are the wrong size. They got the double container dollies which don't fit in the bag room. When they did the run through couple months ago in the bag room the dollies they used were single. You got me on that one. Lav and water trucks arrive soon and someone was telling me today our push backs won't do the job and that one has been ordered.

azjubilee · Thu May 17, 2012 6:49 pm

It's coming from TLS vis AUS. Not IAH. N387HA.

contrails15 · Thu May 17, 2012 6:55 pm

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 3):
It's coming from TLS vis AUS. Not IAH. N387HA.

I stand corrected. They said it was brand new so TLS doesn't surprise me but why make a stop in AUS?

tjwgrr · Thu May 17, 2012 7:04 pm

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 4):
I stand corrected. They said it was brand new so TLS doesn't surprise me but why make a stop in AUS?

Here 'tis enroute to AUS

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/H...1/history/20120517/0930Z/LFBO/KAUS

B6JFKH81 · Thu May 17, 2012 7:25 pm

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 4):
I stand corrected. They said it was brand new so TLS doesn't surprise me but why make a stop in AUS?

One of my buddies down in AUS (with B6) mentioned our CEO was there today, and our COO is going to be there today too....but also made mention that HA is taking delivery of the aircraft in AUS. Not sure why though, or if there is any connection between our top-of-the-ladder crewmembers being there.

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 2):
Dollies are here along with two container loaders. Not sure which manufacturer. Rumor has it the dollies are the wrong size. They got the double container dollies which don't fit in the bag room. When they did the run through couple months ago in the bag room the dollies they used were single. You got me on that one. Lav and water trucks arrive soon and someone was telling me today our push backs won't do the job and that one has been ordered.

Aaaahhhh, gotta love it when everything goes wrong right from the beginning. Kind of like when I was told to set up DFW as an E190 only station, then just happened to notice a week before flights started that the first flight was going to be an A320. Communication....it's a wonderful thing.

ytib · Thu May 17, 2012 8:14 pm

Usually delivery is made in a location which is advantageous for tax reasons. I don't believe F9 took delivery of an airplane in DEN, it was usually PHX or MCI with an added flight to bring it into DEN as a revenue flight to get around some fees.

contrails15 · Thu May 17, 2012 8:32 pm

Well that should be a site to see for those in AUS.

dlramp4life · Thu May 17, 2012 10:15 pm

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 2):
Dollies are here along with two container loaders.

Does B6 own all the dollies and container loaders?

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 2):
Rumor has it the dollies are the wrong size. They got the double container dollies which don't fit in the bag room.

http://www.hawaiianair.com/Cargo/containers
Maybe the double container transporters are for cargo pallets or LD-8 for 767 aircraft if they get any...

[quote=Communication....it's a wonderful thing. [/quote]
Story of my life...

contrails15 · Fri May 18, 2012 1:52 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 9):
Does B6 own all the dollies and container loaders?

No, our fleet doesn't have containers so we had to get everything needed for container usage. I'm sure this was part of the contract.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 9):
Maybe the double container transporters are for cargo pallets or LD-8 for 767 aircraft if they get any...

We were told we would be using pallets for cargo so your probably right however ALL the dollies we got are double so that still leaves the problem of packing containers in the bag room.

azjubilee · Fri May 18, 2012 1:53 am

It's doubtful the plane went to AUS for tax reasons. Every other 330 has flown directly to HNL or to LAX and then put into service.

ha763 · Fri May 18, 2012 3:51 am

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 2):
Rumor has it the dollies are the wrong size. They got the double container dollies which don't fit in the bag room. When they did the run through couple months ago in the bag room the dollies they used were single.

I wouldn't be surprised that they got LD-6 dollies thinking that being able to load 2 LD-3s on 1 LD-6 dolly would save on the amount of dollies they would need to purchase, but didn't consider the reduced maneuverability of the longer dolly.

The dollies used for single LD-3/LD-2s tend to have dual axle steering and are very maneuverable, even when pulling 6 of them. LD-6 dollies can have dual axle steering, but you still have reduced maneuverability due to the extra length.

JetBlueGuy2006 · Fri May 18, 2012 1:34 pm

This might be an odd question, but I will ask anyway. Did HA by the equipment for JFK and then turn and lease it to B6 to work on their flight or did B6 buy it themselves?

contrails15 · Fri May 18, 2012 4:15 pm

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 13):
This might be an odd question, but I will ask anyway. Did HA by the equipment for JFK and then turn and lease it to B6 to work on their flight or did B6 buy it themselves?

I'm guessing here and say it was worked out in the contract and HA paid for them considering its only for this one flight.

Quoting ha763 (Reply 12):
I wouldn't be surprised that they got LD-6 dollies thinking that being able to load 2 LD-3s on 1 LD-6 dolly would save on the amount of dollies they would need to purchase, but didn't consider the reduced maneuverability of the longer dolly.

The dollies used for single LD-3/LD-2s tend to have dual axle steering and are very maneuverable, even when pulling 6 of them. LD-6 dollies can have dual axle steering, but you still have reduced maneuverability due to the extra length.

After doing training on the aircraft today it seems we have both. The LD-6 will be used for cargo so they will never see the bag room. So weird seeing our name on all the equipment. After free packing for almost 10 yrs, this is going to be very refreshing.

On a side note, I went into the cabin. Nothing like that new plane smell. IMO of course, I was not impressed what so ever with their first class product. Looks more of a business class.

contrails15 · Fri May 18, 2012 5:55 pm

Picture from today's training. This is at gate 14.

azjubilee · Fri May 18, 2012 6:01 pm

Leisure markets get leisure F class cabins. Did you catch the name of the plane? I can't see it in the picture very well.

tjwgrr · Fri May 18, 2012 6:37 pm

JetBlue at JFK will now be prepared for their own A330 fleet..........

More photos of the Hawaiian A332 at JFK:

JFK-Tonight-5-17" target="_blank">http://nycaviation.com/forum/threads...irbus-A330-200-to-JFK-Tonight-5-17

[Edited 2012-05-18 11:41:03]

contrails15 · Fri May 18, 2012 7:05 pm

Quoting azjubilee (Reply 16):

Leisure markets get leisure F class cabins. Did you catch the name of the plane? I can't see it in the picture very well.

Name of the aircraft is Nahiku.

azjubilee · Fri May 18, 2012 7:16 pm

Nice... Nahiku = The big dipper. The 330s are named after constellations.

richierich · Fri May 18, 2012 7:34 pm

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 14):
I'm guessing here and say it was worked out in the contract and HA paid for them considering its only for this one flight.

Actually, I am pretty sure B6 had to buy all of the ground equipment. I'm assuming they want other partner airlines to use T5 eventually, right? If you look at the photo you took on Reply 15, you can see some of the equipment has JETBLUE emblazoned on it. I would imagine that B6 was out ordering the cargo and loading equipment as soon as the ink was dry on the HA contract!

contrails15 · Fri May 18, 2012 8:08 pm

Quoting richierich (Reply 20):
Actually, I am pretty sure B6 had to buy all of the ground equipment. I'm assuming they want other partner airlines to use T5 eventually, right? If you look at the photo you took on Reply 15, you can see some of the equipment has JETBLUE emblazoned on it. I would imagine that B6 was out ordering the cargo and loading equipment as soon as the ink was dry on the HA contract!

That could very well be possible as Aer Lingus is a heavy rumor.

ha763 · Fri May 18, 2012 10:18 pm

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 14):
After doing training on the aircraft today it seems we have both. The LD-6 will be used for cargo so they will never see the bag room

Looking at your picture, you have LD-3 dollies and LD-7 pallet dollies, not LD-6 dollies. Double the length of the LD-3 dolly for a LD-6 dolly.

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 14):
On a side note, I went into the cabin. Nothing like that new plane smell. IMO of course, I was not impressed what so ever with their first class product. Looks more of a business class.

Because it is only sold as first class on dometic routes and I'd say is better than the domestic first class on other U.S. airlines. On international routes, it is sold as business class.

contrails15 · Fri May 18, 2012 10:43 pm

Quoting ha763 (Reply 22):
Looking at your picture, you have LD-3 dollies and LD-7 pallet dollies, not LD-6 dollies. Double the length of the LD-3 dolly for a LD-6 dolly.

We're still learning the equipment and whats what. lol Livery on the plane is amazing and so far its been fun to work on.

dlramp4life · Sat May 19, 2012 7:53 am

Quoting ha763 (Reply 22):
Looking at your picture, you have LD-3 dollies and LD-7 pallet dollies, not LD-6 dollies. Double the length of the LD-3 dolly for a LD-6 dolly.

LD-6 dolly? What is an LD-6? Do you mean this?
http://www.clydemachines.com/pdfs/co...5F_2890-2896_Container_Trailer.pdf

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 23):
We're still learning the equipment and whats what. lol Livery on the plane is amazing and so far its been fun to work on.

Very nice picture and glad to see it is all working out great for you guys, working wide bodies are quite fun. We hope one day to get HA ourselfs

ha763 · Sat May 19, 2012 8:31 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 24):
What is an LD-6? Do you mean this?

This

It is a full-width container the size of 2 LD-3s side-by-side and that is the dolly.

B6JFKH81 · Sat May 19, 2012 1:15 pm

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 15):
Picture from today's training. This is at gate 14.

I dropped my parents off at T5 on Tuesday morning and was hanging around at the windows at the end of the concourse (by gate 14) to watch them depart 22R and noticed there was a secondary gate taxi line painted (dotted, not solid, on a diagonal) and was wondering if that was for the A330 because I don't recall seeing it before. Is gate 14 going to be the gate we are going to use for the HA flight moving forward or do we have more than one gate with A330 stop points marked? (Downside of being at the Hangar instead of T5....I don't get to see this stuff very often for myself so I have to rely on kind folks like you to report info back to me LOL!)

SWALUV · Sat May 19, 2012 1:50 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 26):
gate taxi line painted (dotted, not solid, on a diagonal) and was wondering if that was for the A330 because I don't recall seeing it before. Is gate 14 going to be the gate we are going to use for the HA flight moving forward or do we have more than one gate with A330 stop points marked?

There is a picture on the Forum: Why No B6 in HNL? , That picture shows the left wing very close to the yellow line for gate 12 so the diagonal would make sense. But, if this is not the case then they won't be able to use gate 12.

B6JFKH81 · Sat May 19, 2012 2:01 pm

Quoting SWALUV (Reply 27):
There is a picture on the Forum: Why No B6 in HNL?

Thanks for pointing me over there, I forgot I replied in that thread too LOL! The pic in question (compliments of Werdywerd, I hope it's okay to repost the pic here) shows the aircraft is at an angle compared to the normal gate 14 line, but I agree, the port wing extends into the gate 12 area which makes me think gate 12 won't be able to be used:

....and based on the pic in reply 15 from contrails15, it would seem the starboard wingtip is going to extend out pretty far out, like over the T5 service road but not over the airport service road. I'm going to need to make a run to T5 during the week to see the markings for myself LOL!

contrails15 · Sat May 19, 2012 3:28 pm

Gate 14 will be the main gate for the A330. When its on that gate 12 will be inop. Another heavy line is painted for the A330 on gate 9 perhaps as an alternate in case 14 can't be used. The tail almost comes over the T5 service road. You can see by the above pic the tail cone sits right before the forward line of the road and the starboard wingtip isn't over our service road but almost. Its close. They have the aircraft coming in on a slight angle to prevent that. When you see the lines for everything your gonna be like, WTF. LOL Everything so far (knock on wood) seems to be working out. We push it out with our new pushback yesterday but wasn't there for it so no pics.

HALFA · Sat May 19, 2012 7:45 pm

Did anyone that works at JFK notice that the ATC control tower was illuminated in Purple and red the other night to celebrate the arrival of HA to JFK? Anyone have any pictures of that?

Aloha,
HALFA

HAL · Sat May 19, 2012 7:55 pm

I'm really looking forward to working these flights! And thanks to everyone who posted photos - they make it easier now to figure out where to park the beast when I arrive.

HAL

dlramp4life · Sat May 19, 2012 7:59 pm

Quoting ha763 (Reply 25):
This

It is a full-width container the size of 2 LD-3s side-by-side and that is the dolly.

Aww...Never seen those before, I have only worked with LD-2s,3s,8s,and 11s.

Thank you for that

tsnamm · Sat May 19, 2012 8:46 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 32):

Aww...Never seen those before, I have only worked with LD-2s,3s,8s,and 11s.

its a contoured structural LD-11 ...lots of repairs...lol

HNLPointShoot · Mon May 21, 2012 4:14 pm

Someone at Hawaii News Now has apparently been reading this thread. Amusing to hear Howard Dicus refer to A.net as an "airline insider's website" on the morning news today!

Bluewave 707 · Mon May 21, 2012 5:41 pm

... in a way a.net is an insiderʻs website, since itʻs not widely known to the masses ... typical journalistʻs speak

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