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HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Sun May 27, 2012 10:12 am

I would like to share that video to you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqnit5PXZIo

It's interesting to see that they use "manuel" how to land kai tak airport (in 70's). The computer and flight simulator wasn't invented at that time and it was difficult for pilots to land at the Kai tak airport.

At the Kai tak airport, you can see lots of retro aircraft - Canadian Pacific, Japan Airlines and BOAC! wow I have never seen those like this before in the past.

At the end of the film, it is so funny to see what a little girl did!
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Sun May 27, 2012 1:04 pm

Fabulous video; anything to do with Convair jets and Kai Tak Airport (well, you see my username!) is very welcome; the combination is even better.
 
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Sun May 27, 2012 1:39 pm

Nice video! Thanks for sharing
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Mon May 28, 2012 12:17 am

Very interesting, Thank you!
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Mon May 28, 2012 12:28 am

Quoting FlyboyOz (Thread starter):
At the end of the film, it is so funny to see what a little girl did!

can someone translate 11:15 to the end? I would love to know what is said.
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Mon May 28, 2012 1:07 am

Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 4):
can someone translate 11:15 to the end? I would love to know what is said.

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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Mon May 28, 2012 1:20 am

The passenger cabin footage that appears from about 1:39 to 1:55 is a DC-8 with the original Palomar seats.
 
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Mon May 28, 2012 1:55 am

Quoting FlyboyOz (Thread starter):
At the Kai tak airport, you can see lots of retro aircraft - Canadian Pacific, Japan Airlines and BOAC! wow I have never seen those like this before in the past.

I could see an AI 707 in the background as the Swissair plane takes a 90 deg turn   .....which year is this from? Looks ike the 60's.....
 
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Mon May 28, 2012 2:09 am

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 7):
.which year is this from? Looks ike the 60's.....

Definitely the 1960s. The livery on the CP DC-8-43 was used from 1961 to 1968.
 
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Mon May 28, 2012 7:11 am

Thanx for posting this... Beautiful video of a classic airport, airline and aircraft.
 
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Mon May 28, 2012 9:21 am

Thanks for the kind words.... It's cos we all love the Kai Tak airport!  
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Mon May 28, 2012 10:23 am

The view of Hong Kong Island around 7:30 is quite astounding...   No high-rises there.. just a little colonial backwater.

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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Mon May 28, 2012 11:13 am

Is the Coronado really landing that fast? My first thought was that it was sped up.

A later video showing a 747 landing there was quite... a leisurely walk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHvqAjOkZaw


When was the checkerboard painted? The Coronado does not seem to make that tight turn before the landing.


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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Mon May 28, 2012 4:04 pm

Weird that they used DC-8 interior shots and the plane is CV-990A 
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Mon May 28, 2012 5:05 pm

I watched some tv special where it was said that pilotes landing in Kai Tak required a lot of visiual positioning. Particulary there was some sign up on one hill which was used as a point to turn for the final strech.
I think last time I was in HKG I was told that Kai Tak is being redeveloped into a marine terminal for cruise ships.
 
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Mon May 28, 2012 6:05 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 12):
Is the Coronado really landing that fast? My first thought was that it was sped up.

That was my reaction too ... it looks far too fast.
 
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Mon May 28, 2012 6:05 pm

Does anyone know when the IGS was actually introduced? Looking at this video, I didn't notice the chequerboard either and it seemed that this approach involved a pretty constant banking turn all the way in, rather than one turn to line up. Alternatively, could it have been that this approach took place on a day when the IGS was out of action; I've read somewhere that an NDB approach to 13 involved a pretty sharp turn to line up - different from the standard IGS?
 
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Mon May 28, 2012 7:57 pm

Fantastic video! It is very interesting how the approach to Runway 13 had changed between the 1960s and 1990s. In the video, the Checkerboard is visible to the left from 9:28-9:30.

Drew up a quick illustration on paint on how the approach path has changed over the years.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/a340_313x/checkerboard.png
 
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Mon May 28, 2012 9:06 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 12):
A later video showing a 747 landing there was quite... a leisurely walk:

Very different focal length. It's an illusion.
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Tue May 29, 2012 1:35 am

Quoting ZaphodB (Reply 15):
Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 12):
Is the Coronado really landing that fast? My first thought was that it was sped up.

That was my reaction too ... it looks far too fast.

Whats the final approach speed of one of those? With wings that swept, presumably the approach speed was relatively high? A modern-day airliner such as a 777 can have a final approach speed of roughly 125-150kts depending on variant and weight.
 
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Tue May 29, 2012 6:31 am

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 18):

Good reason... didn't think of that.

Quoting cx flyboy (Reply 19):
Whats the final approach speed of one of those? With wings that swept, presumably the approach speed was relatively high? A modern-day airliner such as a 777 can have a final approach speed of roughly 125-150kts depending on variant and weight.

From the website of the NASA Coronado test aircraft to increase the crosswind limits of the Space Shuttle: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/FactSheets/FS-027-DFRC.html

"The aircraft, which has a cruise speed of 432 kph (496 mph), is 139 feet long and has a wing span of 120 feet. Landing speeds of the CV-990 duplicate those of the space shuttle orbiters -- about 230 kph (256 mph)."

Well, these are 222 kts.  Wow!

Does anybody have a better figure?

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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Tue May 29, 2012 9:32 am

Quoting Pacific (Reply 17):
Fantastic video! It is very interesting how the approach to Runway 13 had changed between the 1960s and 1990s. In the video, the Checkerboard is visible to the left from 9:28-9:30.

Drew up a quick illustration on paint on how the approach path has changed over the years.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...d.png

I think both approaches existed until the end of Kaitak operations. The one you drew as 1998 was the IGS 13 approach, and then one you drew as 1960 was a special approach which could be flown as NDB approach or VOR/DME, or, I suppose, entirely visual ("report Green Island in sight"   ).
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Tue May 29, 2012 10:13 am

Ahhh... my first flight in a jet included the same route (SIN-BKK-HKG) in 1969 with Cathay Pacific on the 990's little sister, the 880. Living in Hong Kong for two stints of two years each was such a major part of my childhood that the arrivals and departures are still very poignant memories.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 20):
a cruise speed of 432 kph (496 mph)

When they say "kph", I think they mean "knots". A cruise speed of 432 km per hour would make the 990 one of the slowest jet airliners rather than the fastest of its day. And if they mean "knots per hour" they should be very embarrassed.  
 
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Tue May 29, 2012 11:44 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 20):
From the website of the NASA Coronado test aircraft to increase the crosswind limits of the Space Shuttle: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/FactSheets/FS-027-DFRC.html

"The aircraft, which has a cruise speed of 432 kph (496 mph), is 139 feet long and has a wing span of 120 feet. Landing speeds of the CV-990 duplicate those of the space shuttle orbiters -- about 230 kph (256 mph)."

Well, these are 222 kts. Wow!

That landing speed was only for the purposes of the Space Shuttle test flights. It certainly wasn't the standard Convair 990 landing speed which was similar to other early jets. There's an article on the Space Shuttle tests using the 990 in the lower right hand corner of the following page from the January 6, 1993 issue of Flight International. It refers to the high speed landing tests to simulate the landing speed of the Shuttle.
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPD...s=0&scrollbar=0&page=1&view=FitH,0
 
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RE: HKG Kai Tak Landing - Cockpit View (Crystal Clear)

Wed May 30, 2012 12:15 pm

Quoting FlyboyOz (Thread starter):
At the end of the film, it is so funny to see what a little girl did!

Actually, I think that was the best part of the video.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):

The passenger cabin footage that appears from about 1:39 to 1:55 is a DC-8 with the original Palomar seats.

See? The media didn't get it all right even back then... And we're talking the Swiss here! So why do we expect anything more from today's media when they're reporting anything aviation-wise? lol

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