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| Quoting krisyyz (Reply 47): Really? So AC would rather see the A333s leave the fleet before the aging B763s, that is surprising. Although I can't speak to the dispatch reliability rates of AC's 763s vs 333s, How are the 767s doing? |
| Quoting ANM604 (Reply 45): With all due respect, let's try to stick to the topic, and not the state of AI or Indian Aviation in general. |
| Quoting ANM604 (Reply 45): Current indications are that they are just talking, nothing has been signed or approved, so likely that process hasn't begun. At this point, I still remain skeptical this deal will go through. |
| Quoting krisyyz (Reply 47): Really? So AC would rather see the A333s leave the fleet before the aging B763s, that is surprising. Although I can't speak to the dispatch reliability rates of AC's 763s vs 333s, How are the 767s doing? |
| Quoting lightsaber (Reply 48): I'm very interested to see what routes AC starts with 77Ls. Will they all be YYZ based or other Canadian 'homes.' |
| Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 51): Agreed. And if the deal goes through, we won't know for months. |
| Quoting lightsaber (Reply 48): I would be curious to know the number. I apologize for taking this thread off track. This is about AC leasing 5 77Ls. While they are coming from AI, I'm going to refrain from commenting further on AI unless I'm quoted in this thread. I'm very interested to see what routes AC starts with 77Ls. Will they all be YYZ based or other Canadian 'homes.' Lightsaber |
| Quoting vin2basketball (Reply 44): Profit is profit |
| Quoting vin2basketball (Reply 44): Tell me again how SG and 6E affect F-class yields, international yields, or even domestic inelastic business yields? |
| Quoting vin2basketball (Reply 44): Fares in US dollars are crashing; the rupee has lost more than 40% of its value since 2007/2008; inflation is propping the nominal fare figures up. |
| Quoting vin2basketball (Reply 53): But to get the thread back on track, I'm not sure that AC will want these birds unless AI literally gives them away. The cost of retrofitting the AI 77Ls from their current 8Y/35J/195Y configs to AC's 42J/228Y config must run into the tens of millions for these 5 a/c. |
| Quoting vin2basketball (Reply 53): Moreover, the 77L isn't exactly a superb a/c from a CASM perspective. |
| Quoting ANM604 (Reply 52): Yes they would rather see the 333's leave first, but not because of their performance or dispatch reliability (which is very good, for sure better then the 767). It all comes down to numbers, and maintaining a small fleet of A/C that does not share much commonality with other fleet types is expensive. The 333 is a fantastic aircraft, from both a company and passenger perspective, but the fleet is just to small, and the added expense too large to justifying keeping them, sadly. |
| Quoting 9252fly (Reply 24): I'm having a hard time convincing myself that AC is serious about adding additional 77L to their fleet. As already mentioned,it's a heavy aircraft and ULH flights are challenging from a profitability point of view. With fuel prices as they are,it's a risky move. |
| Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 51): Agreed. And if the deal goes through, we won't know for months. |
| Quoting ANM604 (Reply 52): The 333 is a fantastic aircraft, from both a company and passenger perspective, but the fleet is just to small, and the added expense too large to justifying keeping them, sadly. |
| Quoting ANM604 (Reply 52): *If* these birds are added to the fleet, I wouldn't expect more then one new route to open up. More then likely they will be used to take the pressure off the existing 777 fleet, and to upguage existing routes. I think you'll see them mainly out of YYZ, but possibly YVR as well. |
| Quoting tayser (Reply 58): The perfect plane for YUL-YVR-MEL, creating a scissor hub in YVR for YUL and SYD/MEL completing avoiding the USA (at least $100 premium right there) and giving some extra domestic capacity. |
| Quoting vin2basketball (Reply 53): But to get the thread back on track, I'm not sure that AC will want these birds unless AI literally gives them away. The cost of retrofitting the AI 77Ls from their current 8Y/35J/195Y configs to AC's 42J/228Y config must run into the tens of millions for these 5 a/c. Moreover, the 77L isn't exactly a superb a/c from a CASM perspective. |
| Quoting vin2basketball (Reply 53): The cost of retrofitting the AI 77Ls from their current 8Y/35J/195Y configs to AC's 42J/228Y config must run into the tens of millions for these 5 a/c. |
| Quoting krisyyz (Reply 55): Moving towards an all Boeing widebody fleet and greater engine commonality where highlighted as a major reason for the 777/787 order. |
| Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 56): I could see AC using these to expand to Asia especially when CX is reducing its frequencies to YYZ |
| Quoting lightsaber (Reply 57): However, with AC, they'll have to mix and match their 777 fleet a bit for decent economics. Even when they lease 5 more. |
| Quoting lightsaber (Reply 57): Interesting. I don't think they'll take the pressure off much (that lowers costs). I could see upgauging, but I would think there would be more than one new route. Just my 'hunch.' |
| Quoting tayser (Reply 58): The perfect plane for YUL-YVR-MEL, creating a scissor hub in YVR for YYZ/YUL and SYD/MEL completing avoiding the USA (at least $100 premium right there) and giving some extra domestic capacity. |
| Quoting ANM604 (Reply 62): Keep in mind, these five from AI are on top of the five 77W's that are currently on order with Boeing. So if AC takes all five 77W's, the fleet will be 17 77W's plus the six 772LR's, for a total of 23 frames. *If* the AI deal goes through, the total now jumps to 28 frames, which will help make the fleet more economical. |
| Quoting lightsaber (Reply 64): How is AC doing one 777 down? I'm curious if there has been any notable impact or has AC adapted well? |
| Quoting ANM604 (Reply 62): Keep in mind, these five from AI are on top of the five 77W's that are currently on order with Boeing. So if AC takes all five 77W's, the fleet will be 17 77W's plus the six 772LR's, for a total of 23 frames. *If* the AI deal goes through, the total now jumps to 28 frames, which will help make the fleet more economical. |
| Quoting lightsaber (Reply 64): How is AC doing one 777 down? I'm curious if there has been any notable impact or has AC adapted well? |
This has not been a good couple weeks for AC.