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Mitt Romney Campaign Plane

Tue May 29, 2012 11:47 pm

Anyone know what he is flying around in?

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Tue May 29, 2012 11:52 pm

He should just embrace the "wealthy" image and go with a Boeing 747-400.  
 
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Please do not turn this into a political thread.

He was flying around in an Ameristar MD-80, but I read he upgraded?
 
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Using different ones, Ameristar MD-80 and Miami Air 737 most recently.
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Wed May 30, 2012 12:05 am

Up until now, I was under the impression he was flying commercial.
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Wed May 30, 2012 12:24 am

If anyone cares, Michelle Bachmann was on one of the flights I worked back when she was still in the running (Frontier Express). I have a pretty cool picture with her.
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Wed May 30, 2012 12:32 am

His Miami 738 was N732MA

I pictured it taking off from FRG a few months back on a sports charter.
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 1:38 am

The video of him onboard the flight to LAS seemed to indicate a regional jet of some sort. There were large overhead bins on the starboard side and smaller ones on the port side.
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Wed May 30, 2012 1:58 am

Does anyone know if they're going to paint his chartered plane as a Romney billboard as has been done in the past with Obama, McCain, Kerry, etc?

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Mitt Romney Campaign Plane

Wed May 30, 2012 2:02 am

The news mentioned that on his arrival in Las Vegas, his plane "dwarfed" that of Donald Trump,
I was wondering the same thing. What plane he is using.
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 3:37 am

Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 7):
The video of him onboard the flight to LAS seemed to indicate a regional jet of some sort. There were large overhead bins on the starboard side and smaller ones on the port side.

The footage I've seen (both interior and exiting onto the ramp) looked like a Dornier 328JET so I'm thinking Ultimate Air Shuttle, maybe?
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 3:49 am

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 8):

Does anyone know if they're going to paint his chartered plane as a Romney billboard as has been done in the past with Obama, McCain, Kerry, etc?

That would be really cool, but in order to do that he would have to stop switching aircraft and settle on one plane to use for the rest of his campaign. Also, mods, please change the title to reflect the correct spelling of his name: Mitt.
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Wed May 30, 2012 3:56 am

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 8):
Does anyone know if they're going to paint his chartered plane as a Romney billboard as has been done in the past with Obama, McCain, Kerry, etc?

Can I laugh at the fact that the Obama and Kerry 757 aircraft are much less "green" than the McCain 737? Can I also laugh at Obama and Kerry not having the sense to snag a 757 with Pratt (American) engines?
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Wed May 30, 2012 4:00 am

Quoting Molykote (Reply 12):
Can I also laugh at Obama and Kerry not having the sense to snag a 757 with Pratt (American) engines?

Why would that be sensible? You get what the charter company has.
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 4:16 am

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 13):
Why would that be sensible? You get what the charter company has.

It's not like they book a one off flight. They lease the aircraft for months, design and paint a livery, etc. I haven't taken a close look at available used/charter aircraft lately, but based on the number of bogus token gestures these guys make I'd expect a little more thought put into such an expensive asset (even a leased one) that is literally an overt political statement.

For what it's worth, I don't particularly care what aircraft or engine type one buys (I'd select -535s if I needed a 757 myself).
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Wed May 30, 2012 4:19 am

Quoting Molykote (Reply 14):

It's not like they book a one off flight. They lease the aircraft for months, design and paint a livery, etc. I haven't taken a close look at available used/charter aircraft lately, but based on the number of bogus token gestures these guys make I'd expect a little more thought put into such an expensive asset (even a leased one) that is literally an overt political statement.

For what it's worth, I don't particularly care what aircraft or engine type one buys (I'd select -535s if I needed a 757 myself).

Well then you've answered your own question. You, on an aviation enthusiast forum, don't care what engine type someone uses on their plane; why would the average voter?
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 4:21 am

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 4):

Very few to none of the presidential candidates fly commercially or did fly commercially it just not possible with a campaign schedule would take much too much time and still cost a lot with the amount of staff.

Once he picks a plane/company he will almost certainly paint it. Its part of the campaign at that point.
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Wed May 30, 2012 5:20 am

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 15):
Well then you've answered your own question. You, on an aviation enthusiast forum, don't care what engine type someone uses on their plane; why would the average voter?

I don't care because I am looking at the proposition from a non-political angle (one of technical enthusiasm).

Whether most voters can distinguish an A321 from a 757 at a distance of 100 yards is a separate matter (IMO) from whether or not a candidate would want to prevent the green activists or a union group from protesting over the relatively high CO2 emissions of a 757 (vs 737) or raising a fuss over the jobs that could have been "kept in this country" if the aircraft had Pratt engines.

To be clear, I think that the dollars and cents of both the CO2 and "domestic manufacturing jobs" arguments are bogus - but I'm no the one who sold a 300C to buy a hybrid to pimp my "green" credentials.
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Wed May 30, 2012 5:24 am

Once he wins his parties nomination he will have a properly painted campaign plane.
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 5:34 am

Usually they get into the big jet after the convention. Until then, it's charter this and charter that. The need for ever-larger planes comes from need to cart along more traveling press, staff, and, ultimately, security. Once the candidate is eligible for the Service to provide protection (and the timing of that has changed over the years), there appears to be more order to the charter program. Read Primary Colors for an excellent description of how this all works. The sitting President, of course, gets to use the biggest plane of all for his campaign, reimbursed at a fraction of what would be the actual market price. But that happens regardless of which party is in the White House, and there is a colorable reason for it.

Hard to know whether North American will have a 757 available for the Romney campaign this year, given all the aircraft it rejected in bankruptcy. But maybe Ryan or Atlas will step up to the plate...
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 5:36 am

Quoting Molykote (Reply 12):
Can I laugh at the fact that the Obama and Kerry 757 aircraft are much less "green" than the McCain 737? Can I also laugh at Obama and Kerry not having the sense to snag a 757 with Pratt (American) engines?

I'm guessing they went with the RB211's for the take-off performance following campaign events in the South.   
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Wed May 30, 2012 12:47 pm

Quoting PurdueAv2003 (Reply 20):

I'm guessing they went with the RB211's for the take-off performance following campaign events in the South.

Delta has P&W on their B-757's and they fly in the south!!!
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Wed May 30, 2012 1:32 pm

Quoting Molykote (Reply 12):
Can I also laugh at Obama and Kerry not having the sense to snag a 757 with Pratt (American) engines?
Quoting PurdueAv2003 (Reply 20):
I'm guessing they went with the RB211's for the take-off performance following campaign events in the South.

Hate to burst you bubble, but Dubya and co leased N750NA (another North American Airlines Boeing 757-200 with Rolls Royce engines) for the 2004 presidential campaign. Picture here: http://bit.ly/JzYdeU
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Wed May 30, 2012 1:39 pm

Quoting Molykote (Reply 12):
Can I laugh at the fact that the Obama and Kerry 757 aircraft are much less "green" than the McCain 737? Can I also laugh at Obama and Kerry not having the sense to snag a 757 with Pratt (American) engines?

The average voter barely knows what manufacturer the planes are, I highly doubt more than a fraction of 1% of people know what engines the aircraft is equipped with.
It just isn't that big an issue, Sarah Palin used a Jetblue E190 in 2008 and nobody (that I know of) had any issue with it being a foreign built aircraft.


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Wed May 30, 2012 1:39 pm

Is range a consideration when selecting an aircraft? Based on the state of play of this year's electoral map, Romney's plane could end up flying 2500 miles between MHT and RNO, as both NH and NV are swing states. This is no problem for a Kerry or Obama 752, but could this be flown in in a 734 (McCain's plane) with the typical loads of a campaign flight, or do the campaigns normally find a swing state stop in between (a stop in SUX in swing-state Iowa adds 0.3% to the trip mileage)?
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 2:53 pm

Quoting Molykote (Reply 12):
McCain 737

McCain's campaign was also much more austere as they had trouble fundraising. A 734 was the best they could probably afford.
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting Molykote (Reply 12):
Can I laugh at the fact that the Obama and Kerry 757 aircraft are much less "green" than the McCain 737? Can I also laugh at Obama and Kerry not having the sense to snag a 757 with Pratt (American) engines?

Wait a minute... they are CFM56s on McCain's 737, which are part French...

That's his campaign in tatters already   
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Wed May 30, 2012 3:28 pm

I never care about the political affiliation of the people on board, I just like seeing the (often) unique paint jobs.
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Wed May 30, 2012 4:03 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 22):
Hate to burst you bubble, but Dubya and co leased N750NA (another North American Airlines Boeing 757-200 with Rolls Royce engines) for the 2004 presidential campaign. Picture here: http://bit.ly/JzYdeU

It's not bursting my bubble at all. I've already said that I personally don't care what airplane once cares to charter/lease (and that I'd go for a -535 myself). As for Bush, I don't think that he was making nearly the effort to maintain a "green" image or to pander to unionized domestic manufacturing employees the way most Democrats do. Obama put a modest 19,000 miles on a Chrysler 300C over 3 years, but decided to replace this with a Ford hybrid to promote his green image. What is differential in environmental damage caused by the 300C/Escape Hybrid differential over 19,000 miles vs a ~7% fuel burn delta on the PW2000 vs -535?
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Wed May 30, 2012 4:12 pm

Just a *friendly* reminder to keep posts in this thread about the airplanes and not about the politics of its passengers. Needless to say we are rather touchy about political discussion in our Civil Aviation forum threads. Thanks!
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Wed May 30, 2012 5:21 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 22):
Hate to burst you bubble, but Dubya and co leased N750NA (another North American Airlines Boeing 757-200 with Rolls Royce engines) for the 2004 presidential campaign. Picture here: http://bit.ly/JzYdeU



This would have been for the 2000 campaign.... W would have had AF1 for the 2004 campaign.
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 5:33 pm

Personally, I'm hoping for Romney to charter and paint a 762 for his campaign. Although I suppose that a 762 could be overkill on the number of people it could carry, but hey, if he has enough staffers/press to fill it, why not go for it? I'm pretty sure his campaign can afford it. A potential issue would be airports with small runways, as well as the increased fuel burn over a 757. It would be awesome if he could charter a 787, but I recognize that there's no chance of that happening as there aren't any available for charter.
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Wed May 30, 2012 6:12 pm

Quoting VictorKilo (Reply 24):
Is range a consideration when selecting an aircraft?

Could be. I believe Obama used the 757 for his trip to the Middle East and Germany in 2008 which would have been tough on a 737.
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 6:22 pm

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 19):
The sitting President, of course, gets to use the biggest plane of all for his campaign, reimbursed at a fraction of what would be the actual market price

Obama is chartering a 380?
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 6:26 pm

Quoting max550 (Reply 23):
It just isn't that big an issue, Sarah Palin used a Jetblue E190 in 2008 and nobody (that I know of) had any issue with it being a foreign built aircraft.

Yes, but she was a VICE Presidential candidate, not the Presidential candidate. McCain was using a B6 aircraft during the primary phase, but once he got the official nomination, he dropped B6 because they didn't have American-made aircraft and quite a few modifications would have to be done to the plane. Palin didn't need as big of a plane and wanted the LiveTV product so she went with a B6 E190. Other than the paint, I think the only modification that was done to the plane was adding a dividing curtain between the front of the plane and the back...a first class divider but no first class seats installed, just separating her and close staff from everyone else.
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Wed May 30, 2012 9:04 pm

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 26):
Wait a minute... they are CFM56s on McCain's 737, which are part French...

That's his campaign in tatters already   

  

Quoting CO772 (Reply 30):
This would have been for the 2000 campaign.... W would have had AF1 for the 2004 campaign.

Oops, you are indeed correct. Here is a correctly dated photo of N750NA in the Bush-Cheney livery. http://bit.ly/JVYPqg

Unrelated: I love how Mccain named his 737 (and bus) the 'Straight-Talk Express'.
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Wed May 30, 2012 9:40 pm

He just won the nomination with the Texas primary, so I'm sure his Election Committee will now turn to leasing an aircraft with his logo and name on it just like previous Presidential campaigns. Between now and August (the nominating convention) he'll spend more time fund raising and so may not need a larger airplane but once he starts hauling the press and his staff around, I'm sure at least a B737 will be appropriate He won't be using Net Jets! (Buffett's company).
 
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Wed May 30, 2012 9:41 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 34):
Yes, but she was a VICE Presidential candidate, not the Presidential candidate. McCain was using a B6 aircraft during the primary phase, but once he got the official nomination, he dropped B6 because they didn't have American-made aircraft and quite a few modifications would have to be done to the plane. Palin didn't need as big of a plane and wanted the LiveTV product so she went with a B6 E190. Other than the paint, I think the only modification that was done to the plane was adding a dividing curtain between the front of the plane and the back...a first class divider but no first class seats installed, just separating her and close staff from everyone else.

I was onboard N239JB at one point during her election campaign and there was a divider after the first four rows with the McCain/Palin logo, though it was moveable. However, the plane was carrying at the time only 48 people.
 
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Thu May 31, 2012 1:42 am

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 19):
Hard to know whether North American will have a 757 available for the Romney campaign this year, given all the aircraft it rejected in bankruptcy.

NA has returned all of their 757s and the fleet is now only 5 763s.
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Thu May 31, 2012 12:26 pm

This got me interested in past campaign aircraft so I did some searching around and found some interesting things.
First of all, the use of a foreign built aircraft isn't unprecedented as George Wallace and later Ronald Reagan used BAC-111's.

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Since then I believe Clinton used a 727 in 1992. (Source: http://articles.latimes.com/1992-08-...8/local/me-5828_1_airport-manager)
Bob Dole used a pair of 727's in 1996.

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So my guess is that this year we'll see Romney using a Boeing of some sort, possibly more than one. I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of livery they come up with.

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Thu May 31, 2012 1:41 pm

Quoting Molykote (Reply 12):

Can I laugh at the fact that the Obama and Kerry 757 aircraft are much less "green"

So what? As I recall, Al Gore was running on the Green principle. Obama just had "green" on the side . . . more like a salad.

Quoting Molykote (Reply 17):
raising a fuss over the jobs that could have been "kept in this country" if the aircraft had Pratt engines.

LOL maintaining a 757 will require more worker than maintaining a 737  

Besides, from a strategic campaigning stand point, the 757 is a faster aircraft, a campaigner can spend more time on the ground . . . even a few extra minutes helps.

Now, do the campaign charges reporters to go fly with the campaign? If so, then you can get extra money by packing more reporters in a 757 
Quoting ATLTowerBoy (Reply 21):

Delta has P&W on their B-757's and they fly in the south!!!

The Rolls always had quieter engines for those late night stop over when you don't want people to hear you coming.

Quoting max550 (Reply 39):

All of these planes have something in common . . . they are older planes that are more readily available for short term leases.

  No 787 or 747-8 for this campaign.

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Thu May 31, 2012 1:56 pm

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 40):
All of these planes have something in common . . . they are older planes that are more readily available for short term leases.

The Bush/Cheney 757 is the newest one at 5 years old at the time it was used. Maybe Boeing can bring the 5 year old 787 that they retired recently for Romney (obviously wishful thinking)   
 
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RE: Mitt Romney Campaign Plane

Thu May 31, 2012 2:06 pm

American should lease out to the campaigns their new B777-300 with 10 across seating and let the reporters enjoy the new standard of comfort in their travels with the candidates! Probably a lot of grumpy reporting.
 
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Thu May 31, 2012 5:41 pm

Quoting max550 (Reply 41):
Maybe Boeing can bring the 5 year old 787 that they retired recently for Romney (obviously wishful thinking)

My though exactly. However I don't think the airframe is the issue, it's the availability of engines and other spare parts to keep the plane on a tight schedule.

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Thu May 31, 2012 9:19 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 22):
Dubya and co leased N750NA (another North American Airlines Boeing 757-200 with Rolls Royce engines)
Quoting max550 (Reply 39):
Ronald Reagan used BAC-111's.

Maybe Rolls Royce engines are lucky mascots for presidential candidates - just like a very big rabbits foot.
 
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Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:56 am

Quoting max550 (Reply 23):
The average voter barely knows what manufacturer the planes are,

But all it takes is one blowhard pundit to point out that this candidate is flying a plane MADE IN FRANCE! Doesn't matter that 50% of the components are US-made (in fact, some Airbus products could be argued to be more "American" than some Boeing models, IIRC). In politics, calm and sober reasoning unfortunately take a back seat.

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 26):
Wait a minute... they are CFM56s on McCain's 737, which are part French...
That's his campaign in tatters already

Duh! That's clearly why he lost the election!  
Quoting max550 (Reply 39):
I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of livery they come up with.

Eurowhite. Banner "Romney" titles in the style they've been using. Just you wait and see.
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RE: Mitt Romney Campaign Plane

Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:20 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 45):
But all it takes is one blowhard pundit to point out that this candidate is flying a plane MADE IN FRANCE!

Readers may have seen the topic about UK Prime Minister going on a Far east tour in a 747 chartered from an overseas company. One of our local rags, I mean an esteemed national newspaper, decided to raise hell about this and for a few days it was very big and very negative news - why didnt he charter from BA or VS etc etc

Now cross the atlantic and you can imagine the furore if a presidential candidate decided to charter a foreign registered plane or even worse an AIrbus..
 
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RE: Mitt Romney Campaign Plane

Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:30 pm

I seem to recall when Obama was campaigning during the primaries he had an MD-90. This would have been before he got the B-757. IIRC, there was an engine failure on one trip during his MD-90 days forcing an emergency landing somewhere.
 
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RE: Mitt Romney Campaign Plane

Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:37 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 47):
I seem to recall when Obama was campaigning during the primaries he had an MD-90.

You thinking of the Midwest MD with the pitch control issue?

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Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:46 am

If Romney wants to win, he should charter a North American 757, considering that they've flown the winners in the 2000 and 2008 elections!  

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Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos